Mini 909: Nice'n'Fun Mafia (Game Over)

[Flareonage]

I feel better about it after reading that. She doesn't pose a threat

yet

if the miller claim is false.

Unvote

VOTE: The Tracker

Switching back to what it was before I changed

[The Tracker]

Makes sense, hito.

[cruelty]

unvote, vote tracker

Let's get this party started kids.


Interested in the claim, as hito said it's basically null. I tend to think though that it'd take some balls for scum to claim miller this early day 1 with no pressure, it's at the very least an attention getter.

[Cruciare]

Vote Count

The Tracker (5)

Col.Cathart, Cyberbob, Nachomamma8, Flareonage, cruelty

hitogoroshi (1)

Mindgamer

Mindgamer (1)

The Tracker

Quagmire (1)

hitogoroshi

Not Voting (4)

RedCoyote, Hoopla, angelmouse, Quagmire

With twelve alive, it takes seven to guillotine.

[Hoopla]

What initially made me hesitate about claiming in my opening post(s) was that this set-up was reviewed by Vi, who is notorious for disliking cops. I don't know how strong her influence on this set-up is, but having dealt with her previously, she's usually reluctant to tear down your ideas as a designer and rather offer ways to balance it.

But I've read a lot about miller strategy and what the optimum play is, and there really is no consensus either way. What tipped it for me was trying to weigh up the likelihood of being investigated versus the benefit of not claiming. The benefit of not claiming is keeping the pool of town powerroles slightly more open, and leaving the option of soaking up a night kill alive.

On the flipside, it is significantly more damaging (despite being less likely) if I get investigated, waste the Day 2 lynch

and

out a powerful town role, which is why I think it is right to claim.

[Hoopla]

unvote, vote tracker

Let's get this party started kids.


Interested in the claim, as hito said it's basically null. I tend to think though that it'd take some balls for scum to claim miller this early day 1 with no pressure, it's at the very least an attention getter.

Cruelty, why have you put The Tracker at L-2 without explanation?

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Unvote

VOTE: The Tracker

Switching back to what it was before I changed

Is it really necessary to switch your vote back to this;

VOTE: The Tracker

For also liking Pokemon

[Hoopla]

I like hitogoroshi's play so far - he's the strongest town read I have. It's easy for scum to take advantage of a sedate town, so his activity and probing is good behavior. I'm going to help him kickstart the Quagmire wagon.

Vote: Quagmire

[RedCoyote]

And the reasoning for the Quagmire wagon also applies to me

If it does, are you satisfied with that?

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It seems like you understand why I voted Quagmire, RC, so why aren't you joining me?

Well, you know, I've been sitting here for about five minutes trying to give you an answer, and I don't think I can give you a good, townie answer as my name heads up the "Not Voting" row.

So consider your teary-eyed pitch a success; I'll

vote: Quagmire

.

Now turn that frown upside-down!

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VOTE: The Tracker

Switching back to what it was before I changed

Why? Hoopla asked this, and I'm asking too. I'm not going to lead you in either direction as to whether I think it's good or bad, but just explain your logic behind putting your vote back on The Tracker.

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is significantly more damaging (despite being less likely) if I get investigated, waste the Day 2 lynch

and

out a powerful town role

I can't really argue with this. I think Hoopla made a thoughtful decision, and so far the claim is believable for me.

[angelmouse]

FYI: my laptop had gone out on loan to my family so can't post tonight and can't really get away with a big post at work today as boss in and watching over computer. He is out tomorrow so will post then

Would like to say a couple of things about the claim, but my initial thoughts are that it isn't fake. I am still concerned about it though. Reasoning for this will follow.

Quagmire there is now things to discuss, please comment or my vote will land with you.

[Cyberbob]

A Miller claim... hm. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in later days - people seem to be believing the claim, so I'm kind of wondering whether any scumminess Hoopla might display further on is going to be jumped on more than usual or whether she'll be given a bit of a free pass.

Also of interest is the fact that hitogoroshi is Hoopla's "strongest town read" when his Posts 95 & 99 (particularly 99) appear to be largely responsible for much of the belief in Hoopla's claim. Just something to point out.

The Quag wagon appears to primarily be a pressure one and I agree with it, but he's racked up a few votes already so I'll wait for his response before adding my vote to the pile. I do kind of like the Tracker wagon as well.

[Quagmire]

I like hitogoroshi's play so far - he's the strongest town read I have. It's easy for scum to take advantage of a sedate town, so his activity and probing is good behavior. I'm going to help him kickstart the Quagmire wagon.

Vote: Quagmire

??? Hopping onto "the player with the towniest read" on day one isn't really good play.

[Quagmire]

As for the Hoopla claim, I don't see why not to believe it right now. If she's scum, there really isn't anything to gain other than protection from a day one lynch.

[Quagmire]

Why are people voting for The Tracker?

[Quagmire]

I still don't have much to add... the wagon building on me is silly but probably necessary, I don't have any solid enough scum reads yet, and only two people read town to me so far. I believe I've commented on everything else.

[Cyberbob]

Why are people voting for The Tracker?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 29#2055429

Also a lack of anything better.

[Quagmire]

Why are people voting for The Tracker?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 29#2055429

Also a lack of anything better.

How is that a legit reason to vote for him?

[Cyberbob]

Note the second line of my post.

[Hoopla]

I still don't have much to add... the wagon building on me is silly but probably necessary, I don't have any solid enough scum reads yet, and only two people read town to me so far. I believe I've commented on everything else.

Have you read your role PM?

[The Tracker]

I still don't have much to add... the wagon building on me is silly but probably necessary, I don't have any solid enough scum reads yet, and only two people read town to me so far. I believe I've commented on everything else.

Have you read your role PM?

Whether he did or not is irrelevant to his amount of participation.

[Hoopla]

I still don't have much to add... the wagon building on me is silly but probably necessary, I don't have any solid enough scum reads yet, and only two people read town to me so far. I believe I've commented on everything else.

Have you read your role PM?

Whether he did or not is irrelevant to his amount of participation.

It isn't irrelevant, as it means you can not possibly find anything he does as scummy.

[Flareonage]

The mod would've said something if he didn't open his role PM

[Hoopla]

The mod would've said something if he didn't open his role PM

Opening doesn't equate to reading.

[Flareonage]

Why wouldn't someone read their role PM?

[Hoopla]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

here's a recent thread

[Flareonage]

I was gonna say that it doesn't apply since everyone disagreed with the person that posted it and then I noticed it was Quagmire. Your question is completely valid now