Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

[RayFrost]

DayKill: Hayker

I keep my promises.

vote: DTMaster

hello, finally in a game together

[RayFrost]

Analyzing flavor is foolishness.

vote: DTMaster

[RayFrost]

Analyzing flavor is foolishness.

vote: DTMaster

To quote Franziska von Karma: "Foolishness is to be whipped."

So you want to be whipped?

you masochist you...

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: DisCode

1. claimed he's an alt of mine, he's obv a bm alt

2. too much conjecture on pointless things that makes 'em suspicious

3. what gorrad said

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: DisCode

1. claimed he's an alt of mine, he's obv a bm alt

2. too much conjecture on pointless things that makes 'em suspicious

3. what gorrad said

1. See my first post and note that it wasn't serious. (Not a BM alt btw)

2. Please point them out.

3. Please explain in your own words how it's rolefishing after having looked at my posts including the explanations.

1. see that my first reason is obv a joke

2. really, conjecture on flavor, regardless of if it is a mod hint or some other thing like that, is pointless. It will give no value to anybody but those mentioned, and it is unnecessary for those not in some way directly related to it being part of the consideration.

3. you are placing huge conjecture based upon gorrad's and pome's roles and, though you aren't directly asking them to say it, are implying a desire to know via the fact you say stuff along the lines of "well, htis probably has something to possibly do with either of your roles, please consider it, as only you and this mysterious other player have something at all to do with it." <--- seriously, this is practically saying right out "consider it and tell us your conclusions" in an indirect way.

role fishing.

'nuff said.

[RayFrost]

2. It's not pointless at all. Every post that is not a mod post (Like vote counts and such, so excluding posts with hints if present) can tell us something about a player. And I believe that this is the case with Post 29. It can tell us something about three players, if two of them (Plum and Gorrad) are willing to work with it. Which is why I want them to think about it.

3. First of all, it's Plum. Secondly, of course I'm not asking them to say it as I'm not interested in their roles as of yet. But they might have information due to Post 29. And in that I am interested for reasons stated above.

2. it

was

a mod post. you have

no guarantee

that it was anything more than flavor when slicey had

promised

flavor. Thus, it is WIFOM speculation. In addition, you are still (as cobalt said) making the assumption there is a mystery third person that somehow forced the mod to post this. This assumption is in of itself

very

foolish.

3. yeah, yeah, I'm in games with both of them, I'm bound to get them mixed up (I mean, seriously, they are

sisters

). The only real reason you should have "interest" in it is if they state their conclusions. Otherwise, all you are doing is trying to direct them, since you get no information, and nor does the town, really (this in no way means I think gorrad and plum are scum, so don't try that misrep). In addition, focusing

purely

on this single thing is distracting

at best

, since only gorrad, plum, and the potential third person have any information.

The rest of the town considering it will only be a detriment to

actual

scum hunting.

[RayFrost]

2. I have two reasons why I think it's not just a mod post. The first has to do with what you say in your post: Flavour. Please note the difference between the flavour of the first post and Post 29. Please come back to this point after having seen the difference. If you can afterwards say that Post 29 is just flavour as Slicey promised and actually believe that, I'll have disproven that you're the alt of Cicero.
I have no intention revealing the second reason, but it will be shown some day.

3. No, I want them to think about it and if they think it's important, it should be looked into. It's not distracting as it gives information about players.
Also, there are a few ways to scumhunt. This is also a kind of scumhunting.

for one... you are taking the cicero alt claim way too seriously. It's a joke from a GD thread IIRC.

2. For the purposes of the average townie,

it is

just flavor. I will treat it as such, since I lack the information necessary to even consider it as a possible mod hint or otherwise. I'll cede the point that you

may

be right that it is some kind of mod hint or player message or some such. As far as I'm concerned, it's worthless.

3. I suppose that there are ways of scumhunting that I don't know (annoyingly...), then. It is, however, a distraction to the majority of the town, since virtually none of us (Save potential mystery player A and plum/gorrad) have the information necessary to know what it's about.

unvote, vote: cobalt

I have reasons.

[RayFrost]

I doubt we have similar humor at all.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: cobalt

I have reasons.

Are you going to share these reasons with anyone else or just keep them to yourself?

obv, I'm going to keep them to myself.

Read the thread and you might figure it out on your own.

[RayFrost]

Everybody should be voting cobalt or at least in some way suspicious of cobalt.

My word is the truth.

Obey, my servants!

[RayFrost]

What a troublesome player you are, RayFrost, a person with more ego than myself. I don't think I'll be obeying you, I am afraid.

What a troublesome player you are, Sir Chris, a person with less ego than myself. I don't think I'll be trusting you, I am afraid.

[RayFrost]

Pfft, I didn't ask for you to speak.

[RayFrost]

I don't need to be having a childish little argument with you, luckily.

Anyway, if anybody wants my reasoning for cobalt-vote, just ask... politely... maybe with a please.

[RayFrost]

Wait.. should I do flavour analysis here? Because that seriously is a giant mod hint if what Slicey said is true.

Really? I assumed it was some kind of player-sent message.

Why are you conjecturing an unknown player?

First cobalt conjectures an unknown player, but he then tosses out the question to somebody else as if he hadn't been the one to introduce to the concept in the first place.

Feels off.

[RayFrost]

I don't care what your reasoning was, at this juncture any vote you could possibly have has very little reasoning, logic, and true insight. Especially with the fact that you are such a bad player, which I have glimpsed from you given our little back and forth just now.

Do as you wish.

*yawns expansively*

Could you try actually being of value every now and then?

[RayFrost]

Wait.. should I do flavour analysis here? Because that seriously is a giant mod hint if what Slicey said is true.

Really? I assumed it was some kind of player-sent message.

Why are you conjecturing an unknown player?

First cobalt conjectures an unknown player, but he then tosses out the question to somebody else as if he hadn't been the one to introduce to the concept in the first place.

Feels off.

here you go DoS

[RayFrost]

I responded to that, Ray.

he asked for my case.

I gave it.

[RayFrost]

n / 2 + 1 to lynch

n = # of living players.

[RayFrost]

mod:

can you proud like... a full two thirds of the playlist? seriously.

prod kise too, he hasn't even confirmed.

or a replacement, that's good too.

[RayFrost]

proud should be prod.

[RayFrost]

So glad I was informed the game was starting/sent a link to it.

Vote: joe

, seriously, why are there not more Joevotes?

None of us got a link from our role PMs.

[RayFrost]

Ray, are you ignoring the comments from Cobalt and Gorrad about your attack on Cobalt on purpose? Or is it because you don't have anything to say about it?

To summarize my opinion on it:

it's the best I currently have, and I see no reason to change my vote until there is something better for me.

[RayFrost]

I support the full claim request by Gorrad.

Full claim.

Now.

[RayFrost]

You've claimed to be a miller (nice scum claim, tbh) while also claiming to have done some unknown, arbitrary thing that you refuse to tell us.

Think about it:

according to you, you have no further powers

according to you, you are related to a very ghastly mod scene

according to you, you are a miller

What about this states anything positively towards you?

I want a full claim now so I can determine if I really trust you... at all.

[RayFrost]

Full claim includes:

role name

how the mod scene relates to you

what you did in regards to it

how it came about

etc

[RayFrost]

So... you caused something bad and then claim to have dispelled said bad thing and turned into a miller? <--- contradiction much?

[RayFrost]

So... you caused something bad and then

claim to have dispelled said bad thing

and turned into a miller? <--- contradiction much?

Please elaborate on the bolded.

chill winds, darkness decending, etc.

light vs darkness stuff

darkness is bad

you claim to have caused and gotten rid of said darkness in mod post

[RayFrost]

"Both" mean syou caused the sharp chill

and

the blackness to come about.

you've in the same post claimed to have released the darkness

[RayFrost]

Either your word choice is terrible or you are contradicting yourself.

I can't tell which.

[RayFrost]

RF is scum then.

unvote vote RF

. He is digging way too much into this one single mod scene. He seems to think that Slicey of all mods would be stupid enough to let the flavor lead to scum.

Are all of you people completely unfamiliar with the flavor? It should be obvious what Discode's role probably is, and that this person is probably town. I really don't like the attacks against him right now.

That being said, I wouldn't mind if Discode claimed his rolename to confirm that he is the person I'm thinking of. I don't see how it could hurt.

I like these posts.

Sooooo...~

You think I'm scum for digging at DisCode over something that he claimed credit for that was a (seemingly) negative thing?

Would you prefer I left 'im alone and not get answers to questions that may be important to the game?

[RayFrost]

@RF: I don't necessarily think you're scum, I just found those two posts pro-town IMO.

Soooo...~

MSSK is pro-town for attacking me for digging at DisCode?

Not seeing how this makes sense. Attacking is a null tell.

[RayFrost]

My character is so beyond awesome that he can't die

or

be lynched.

Man I'm awesome

[RayFrost]

My character is so beyond awesome that he can't die

or

be lynched.

Man I'm awesome

Are you honestly claiming unkillable?

I thought the made it obvious I was joking. Should I have included [/jk] tags in that? [/serious question]

[RayFrost]

No worries, dude. I'd be HIGHLY shocked if there's a bigger KH nerd in this game than myself, mod included, so I do what I can.

For those interested, I now link you to http://worlddestiny.proboards.com/index.cgi. I'm a mod there. /bragging rights

Are you seriously posting a link? O.o" I call shameless advertising! (this will be my next reason to vote you in the RVS, fo serious)

Anyways, gorrad, what is your opinion on DisCode claiming to have done something and then

not

doing anything or trying to help in any way or giving any information as if the claim somehow makes him obv town?

[RayFrost]

Sorry, unfinished question...

What do you think about MafiaSSK & Reckoner finding the choice of pressuring DisCode about the aforestated scummy?

[RayFrost]

Do you honestly need to ask? Defending scumminess is in turn scummy behavior. I kinda thought that went without saying.

I don't believe it is always true, as there may be different interpretations of behavior and the like.

[RayFrost]

@Reckoner: Why is being non-committal on Day 1 a scum-tell?

In my honest opinion, pro-town behavior on D1 is to pressure everything you can, while scummy behavior is to blend in.

So... my pressuring/pushing/questioning Dis/Gorrad/You/etc would be pro-town behavior, and MafiaSSK pressuring me/nobody else would also be pro-town behavior?

[RayFrost]

Self-metaing is scummy.

Also~

oi, mysterious and disembodied voice, what be your opinions on the following players:

mafiassk

saber

me

wolframhart

reckoner

discode

sir chris

[insert everybody else in this game that I can't be asked to look up and haven't already been mentioned by you]

[RayFrost]

The above is even more scummy then imo. Guided Voice, please do NOT do what RF says. This would make it very easy for us to figure out who you are.

Really? I figured it'd help with scum hunting besides, they don't have to if they don't want to.

They can just say "no"

Besides, at this point, I'm getting annoyed by all this flavor stuff. It's distracting me >.<

[RayFrost]

I'm like... 3-10 familiar, it's been a couple years since I played KH1, and I haven't played any of the others.

I'll probably decide based on town tells (yes, they exist).

I could include that phrase in my next post. Do you want me to?

[RayFrost]

The more light we have in the world, the more shadow there becomes, but that still doesn't explain why you want me to use this phrase!

[RayFrost]

Anyway, I'm heading off for a while.

[RayFrost]

Also, if it means I die, then I promote you being lynched.

[RayFrost]

So, wait...

you guys think I'm town? O.o

[RayFrost]

I'd prefer to make it to lylo, so stop having a town read on me so the scum won't NK me.

Seriously.

[RayFrost]

ITT Vaya jumps on an easy bandwagon based off another individual's reasoning.

[RayFrost]

...

Yet you didn't make note of it until Papa Zito made his thing about it.

...

yeah

[RayFrost]

You don't seem to tend to throw out any thoughts that come to your mind until somebody else has done so for the same thought.

[RayFrost]

bandwagons are null tells generally.

bandwagons wehre somebody jumps on the wagon with just a "X is so completely right!" esque statement has that person getting scum points

[RayFrost]

Hey fuzzy!!!

If vaya flips scum, I just want to know that your post there will be

very

useful in getting a read on you.

[RayFrost]

Soooo...

I'm distracting the town by being active in it and trying to get reads?

man, I didn't know that was scummy...

[RayFrost]

Ansem was Evil.

Riku at a point in the story took on the name of Ansem as a form of showing his determination to remain on the side of good, despite the evil that desired him. It changed his looks/form/etc during this time.

That sums it up.

[RayFrost]

ITT Vaya jumps on an easy bandwagon based off another individual's reasoning.

How is a wagon with two votes on it, in a 27-player game, "easy"?

That said, Foilist needs moar votes.

Okay easy potential bandwagon

still counts as jumping on something easy based off another individua's reasoning that he claims to have thought before when he has provided virtually no real insight that aids the town.

[RayFrost]

Yeah but.

I mean lolwut?

Have you never seen a player post something insightful, and say "wow gee that makes a lot of sense CHOO CHOO"?

I have, but it doesn't make it any less scummy when the individual saying it hasn't posted anything insightful or helpful.

[RayFrost]

kison / jahudo can make some for you

[RayFrost]

hades with glasses > > > > > > hades

[RayFrost]

obv, the glasses go on the little skull by his face

[RayFrost]

Issue with foil case:

it could be applied to other people in this game.

It is more of a general case rather than anything specific about his posts or what he's said.

As such, the case can be applied elsewhere (zwet, for the most obvious example), making it not one saying I should vote foil but rather one saying I should vote somebody that hasn't posted content.

[RayFrost]

Interesting fact folks, I have yet to change my vote after over 50 posts.

I thought I had >.>

unvote, vote: vaya

[RayFrost]

Zwet hasn't really contributed

anything

, flavor talk or otherwise.

Also Vaya, your reasoning for finding my reasoning for finding you scummy are still pathetic and wrong.

[RayFrost]

What I find fun is how DisCode has completely vanished from posting.

[RayFrost]

I will help you.

Help you I will.

I will aid you.

Will I help you? Yes.

I offer my aid to you.

I offer my help.

I extend my hospitality to you.

This enough different thingies?

[RayFrost]

I always preferred thinking of it as Gallbat

[RayFrost]

I'm getting an itch to policy lynch Sir Chris...

[RayFrost]

Saber, you activated my trap card...

[RayFrost]

RayFrost, try to focus a little better and respond when I ask what policy you think I have offended, it is troublesome if you just pop in and post randomly.

Ummm... policy lynching is when you hate somebody's playstyle for some reasoning.

For you, it's cuz your style makes no sense to me, making it very difficult to get anything other than a scum read from it.

[RayFrost]

What are the crossed out names for?

Also, explain the wall post and avatarless tiers, please.

[RayFrost]

The mod misspelled Iecerint's name

[RayFrost]

Does the wall post tier mean that you find the people there to be scummy or that you don't know but don't like what they've got so far?

[RayFrost]

RayFrost receives a warning for questioning the mod.[/joke]

*performs a modkill*

[RayFrost]

Does it matter, vaya?

[RayFrost]

I still don't get how this relates to anything of value.

[RayFrost]

That makes sense.

[RayFrost]

Iece, would you mind explaining why cobalt & shotty are on your scum list while players like hayker are on your town list?

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: cobalt

[RayFrost]

yeh, raider is scummy.

kthxbai

[RayFrost]

Mostly cuz you misrepresented DoS to be Sir Chris, who said that everybody was tunnel visioning (don't remember the exact wording) cuz they didn't agree with him (basically).

[RayFrost]

Eh, if people are willing to ignore it then they are tunneling too and they are bad. I don't see how I am tunneling, hard to tunnel when a lynch I find acceptable and have said as such is leading, I am just being paranoid and feel it is never bad to look at more than one person. Not to mention you saying this about your own lynch is suspect.

[RayFrost]

And since we were, you were, in fact, saying we were tunneling.

[RayFrost]

It's not tunneling.

This is why you are noob.

[RayFrost]

Eh, your thing was a far more extreme example if it stood out in my mind.

From my PoV, raider calling out DoS but not you is scummy regardless of if DoS actually did claim people were tunneling.

[RayFrost]

*yawns*

You can't rub me the wrong way when I don't care.

If you feel like I'm pushing you around, perhaps you should examine why, considering that I'm not.

Also, I have provided content, though I suppose it doesn't meet your 'standards' of what content is...

[RayFrost]

I don't have this thing called pride that allows people to poke at me in that way.

I don't care in that I have no emotional investment in what is said.

[RayFrost]

Not really.

I feel that both your and DoS' stuff wasn't really worth reading after a bit since it devolved to the ol' "u! no u!" argument.

Anyway, of the stuff I did skim, I feel that you saying everybody that ignores what you are doing is tunneling is just... bad.

Much in the same way as DoS saying others are tunneling.

Raider ignoring one but not the other is off to me.

[RayFrost]

Saber would love it if I was a lady *snipe on saber's promiscuity*

[RayFrost]

Chris, I don't feel bothered by him ignoring you completely cuz he didn't.

It's the fact he called DoS out on something but not you when you both did very similar things.

I am thus wanting an explanation from

Raider

, not

you

.

By all means, though, keep responding to me for him.

[RayFrost]

totally crap posting, man

[RayFrost]

also completely crap posting

[RayFrost]

also utter crap

[RayFrost]

man, there's just so much crap!

[RayFrost]

this is crap too

also complete crap

[RayFrost]

No, I made those as my last one. Besides, my ppd doesn't need boosting here.

I'm in like... 8 games.

I'm active in all but one of them.

[RayFrost]

Content isn't just "post a bunch o' words"

It's "post something meaningful" which i feel that saber has done.

Meaning doesn't have to be five paragraphs, it can be just one line. (note: zwet is not qualified in content, though he does take the one line bit to heart)

If saber begins to stop posting content, or his content:noise ratio lowers, I'll find him scummy.

Until then, I focus more on what's said rather than how much is said.

note: this is totally a mafia play theory esque post

[RayFrost]

It's playstyle differences.

Also, shorter days elsewhere require different skill sets.

More a matter of different than wrong.

[RayFrost]

content:noise ratio, saber, not number of posts.

Sir Chris:

Oh do tell on which post, share with the class~

[RayFrost]

Iec:

I haven't read your post in response to raider yet.

SC:

gotcha, that makes it clearer.

[RayFrost]

Mod: status on DisCode replacement? How about zwet? Also, prod deathnote and hayker, possibly vaya as well

[RayFrost]

FoS: Saber

you is speculating way too much on something that doesn't need to be dealt with right now.

Zito:

I agree with you that the mod voice is annoying, but what can be done about it, seriously?

Also, me arguing it out with Sir Chris was beneficial, as it actually had a by-product that was beneficial (iec asking his wonderful question that promoted SC speaking in a way that we understood his reasoning)

To say that it was a worthless slapfight is really... well, wrong and rude.

I've caught scum in slapfights (as well as town reads). I guess this is a playstyle thing, though.

Anyway, I'm currently going to do an iso of the people I asked the mod to prod (hayker, deathnote, vaya) to see what I can get read-wise.

[RayFrost]

*awaits DGB's brilliance being revealed from further reading*

[RayFrost]

saber's post

[RayFrost]

She.

SHE

<--- This is me hiding behind a mask

[RayFrost]

DBG:

My vote on cobalt was bussing or my vote on vaya?

I believe I was the first one to even be suspicious of vaya, for one.

For two, I had seriously not noticed where my vote was.

Anywy, I'm fine with a zwet lynch, but I'm also cool with iec doing his thing before we get rid of zwet. So yeah, no hammer yet.

[RayFrost]

SirPent.

/facepalm

Can somebody vig SirPent?

Seriously.

[RayFrost]

Anyway, guys...

Vaya has unvoted and voted zwet like... three times in the past two pages.

Each time revoting when DGB poked 'im. ('im = vaya)

This is one of the scum buddies of zwet (or just one of the scum if zwet magically flips town)

[RayFrost]

Saber:

how in thah fook is that a false dichotomy?

I think vaya is scum.

[RayFrost]

Slicey is officially rather sexist. Ah well. Free day, even if it's a little short. <_<

You do realize she could've be a delayed PR?

FL had me as a VT that turned into a super awesome NK immune PR on D3

[RayFrost]

Note:

the above post is defending slicey from being considered a sexist until more info is gathered

[RayFrost]

You made it seem as if there were only two options to pick from, when in truth there was a third, that she is town and you are wrong.

Ummm...

I think Vaya is scum.

Why would I feel that she is town when I see there is evidence to the contrary?

Seriously.

[RayFrost]

Umm... I never said you were defending her.

iec:

yeah, I reread it... you be right

I think I should stop trying to focus on vaya

even though vaya is obv scum

.

[RayFrost]

I have a general distaste for Vaya's style.

I have a feeling that something about Vaya's posting style sets off some kinda psychological trigger that makes me want him to get lynched...

[RayFrost]

Lol, saber.

If only...

[RayFrost]

claiming to be able to read zwet is like claiming to know what will happen in tar's bastard games when they are just starting and you aren't even in the game.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: sirpent

I have reasons.

[RayFrost]

I love votes without reason, its epitome of my game

I love obvscum, it's epitome of my game (as any alignment!).

[RayFrost]

I miss RF, too.

I'm in finals week. I really need to catch up, but my mind is feeling sluggish as of late, so my analysis would be sub-par at best.

I'm also not on my comp that much lately.

I don't really have the energy to catch up from back when it was page 40-something.

I miss you too, though <3

[RayFrost]

replace out you lazy slob

I can't entrust another being with the awesomeness that is my role

[RayFrost]

Since everyone is so busy how about we just go ahead and finish DoS and we can all enjoy a nice long christmas break.

No.

I finish reading and give you the brilliance that is my analysis,

then

we finish whoever I say to finish dammit!

[RayFrost]

Scum read on DoS:

this post

as well as his claim of "powerful town role" makes me read scum through and through.

also see: SC's case

[RayFrost]

He softclaimed VT this game. The "powerful town role" quote is from the other game where he was a very very very scummy PR townie.

Oh, okay...

I hadn't really gotten the context for that yet

Anyway, I'm off to resume reading here.

[RayFrost]

I think hayker is

scum

town, surprisingly enough.

It's meta, though.

From an ongoing.

And I still don't like his playstyle.

[RayFrost]

Mae policy lynches - they be ftw. Despite this, I need something from reck:

REASONING FOR THE READS.

You say sajin is town when I don't even remember his existence <-- example of something I need a helluva lot of reasoning for.

[RayFrost]

Actually, I'm going for a mae lynch.

This is

not

a policy lynch.

This

is

ftw.

Let's peruse Mae's

absolutely wonderful

collection of

obv scum tells

posts:

This post attempts to put down some rather standard and well loved scum tells while also rushing the day, buddying chris, and performing a really weak defense of chris ("last person I attacked for tunneling was town" - last people I've gotten for AtE and bullying were scum, obv chris is scum too ).

Mae continues with a number of posts defending Sir Chris for him against his "assailants" when there really is no need via poor arguments and bad assumptions...

She then moves on from attacking DoS to finding Ace scummy for finding Sir Chris scummy (I deleted the rhetoric).

Mae then goes on to seemingly

complete forget about

DoS and jumps where? Why, onto the new biggest target (reck)!

My, this seems like a wonderful case of buddying, flimsy defensive logic that could easily be retracted if necessary, and opportunism.

If anybody disagrees with me, by all means state your disagreement.

unvote, vote: maemuki

[RayFrost]

oh, forgot to say:

I can't tell if Mae is bussing reck or if she is just being opportunistic.

Either way, she's scum.

[RayFrost]

Saber, lynch mae with me!

[RayFrost]

I would be all over a Hayker wagon, except that RF swears on the Bible of Meta that he is town.

It would be nice if RF could explain his position a little more clearly.

I believe the game I'm referencing is still going currently, but hayker's play here is a virtual carbon copy of his play there.

[RayFrost]

Dunno where my vote currently is, but...~

unvote, vote: DragonOfSummer

I've been thinking on this for a while, and I honestly want mae dead, but DoS has far more accumulated against him at this time.

Mae, you get to live for another day, isn't that great?

[RayFrost]

Lemme summarize the similarities:

Hayker's posting is inconsistent

His playstyle causes me to want to bash his head in with an easy bake oven (meant in a light hearted way... of course?)

he posts a mixture of fluff and poorly worded opinions

To be honest, I have no contrasting play to analyze this with, so it's not solid, but I feel it is adequate to at the moment give him a bye.

I like how DoS is sliding downward in the spiral of "noooooooo!!!!!" It has gotten to the point I almost want to put him out of his misery...

As it is, I do not support the hayker wagon.

I agree with the modvoice about DTM and Starbuck.

fyi:

I actually made this post before my other one, but I forgot cuz the site was screwing up, so this has been sitting here for like... a few hours at least

[RayFrost]

yup, the site's been screwing up for the past couple of hours at least.

took fifteen minutes for that post to get up on there post-sending.

[RayFrost]

ITT DoS shows desperate opportunism?

[RayFrost]

Note the ? attached made it a questions.

Nice misrep though DoS.

[RayFrost]

That'd be cool.

I don't think whoever got the shiny should claim, though.

[RayFrost]

So... that clears wolf and iece from killing each other, but nothing more.

Great.

I feel the same as Reck about the voting stuff, but I distinctly feel that I should vote for cobalt or raider.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: joe478

[RayFrost]

Well, I actually like RayFrost. Honestly I just read his posts and aside from being troublesome on personal level, he looks good. His posts are to the point, blunt, and lack a feel that he is holding ANYTHING back whatsoever. I feel like every point he makes is going for a deathblow and he has the potential to just snap on a player in an instant and try to spell their doom. I have a really positive read on RayFrost's play so far, but if he is very good he could be scum still, but he is by far, in my eyes, the best looking of that fourpack.

So I'm the hard-working guy in the office that might go postal? No wonder you are buddying up to me.

Anyway, my opinions on the hayker wagon:

crap. hayker's play is poor, not scummy. differentiate.

SSK wagon:

If not for the fact I've seen SSK town flip from similar play, I'd say "FUCK YEAH, SSK LYNCH FTW!!!!!" Because I have, I am a bit more cautious here.

I'd like to point out that SSK's posts have been far less frequent than the town experience. I've no experience with SSK with the M attached.

I'll watch the wagon, but I'm not going to join it unless somebody pulls out a very solid case that is at least mostly unique to SSK (as in the low posting count has low value for a case - *points to the other low posters* or they'd be dead already).

Joe wagon:

I've replaced Joe in the opening of a newbie game as town (town won via my awesome ability to find a town tell out of a single post), and I have to say that his play was poor then, but he actually seemed to put some effort into his posts and scumhunting.

Here, we've got virtually nothing out of him.

The contrast is to the point that I really want him dead.

If anybody wishes for the (very brief) meta read on Joe, Woodstock mafia is the place to go.

One more thing:

FUCK YEAH, JOE LYNCH FTW!!!!!

And I don't like Shotty's hayker vote while keeping option of SSK wagon open. Seems a bit opportunistic.

[RayFrost]

Well, I actually like RayFrost. Honestly I just read his posts and aside from being troublesome on personal level, he looks good. His posts are to the point, blunt, and lack a feel that he is holding ANYTHING back whatsoever. I feel like every point he makes is going for a deathblow and he has the potential to just snap on a player in an instant and try to spell their doom. I have a really positive read on RayFrost's play so far, but if he is very good he could be scum still, but he is by far, in my eyes, the best looking of that fourpack.

So I'm the hard-working guy in the office that might go postal? No wonder you are buddying up to me.

Anyway, my opinions on the hayker wagon:

crap. hayker's play is poor, not scummy. differentiate.

SSK wagon:

If not for the fact I've seen SSK town flip from similar play, I'd say "FUCK YEAH, SSK LYNCH FTW!!!!!" Because I have, I am a bit more cautious here.

I'd like to point out that SSK's posts have been far less frequent than the town experience. I've no experience with SSK with the M attached.

I'll watch the wagon, but I'm not going to join it unless somebody pulls out a very solid case that is at least mostly unique to SSK (as in the low posting count has low value for a case - *points to the other low posters* or they'd be dead already).

Joe wagon:

I've replaced Joe in the opening of a newbie game as town (town won via my awesome ability to find a town tell out of a single post), and I have to say that his play was poor then, but he actually seemed to put some effort into his posts and scumhunting.

Here, we've got virtually nothing out of him.

The contrast is to the point that I really want him dead.

If anybody wishes for the (very brief) meta read on Joe, Woodstock mafia is the place to go.

One more thing:

FUCK YEAH, JOE LYNCH FTW!!!!!

And I don't like Shotty's hayker vote while keeping option of SSK wagon open. Seems a bit opportunistic.

[RayFrost]

OMG, I hate the white screen of death.

[RayFrost]

Can we have him replaced then?

Or modkilled with one of the scum team revealed or one of us getting whatever powers he might have?

[RayFrost]

Okay, I'm starting to be fine with a Hayker lynch.

Joe lynch is still ftw.

[RayFrost]

Who is DHS?

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: MafiaSSK

Joe can wait, that was a lulscumslip

[RayFrost]

SSK:

Are you a night-only vig?

[RayFrost]

Why didn't you shoot last night?

Who do you think is scum?

[RayFrost]

Also, @ Gorrad:

That KH site is dying - many people are leaving now.

[RayFrost]

EBWOP:

Who do you think is scum

other than cobalt

?

[RayFrost]

Who shot?

[RayFrost]

That would be... me!
I used a one-shot ability that tests claims. The shot missed- that means

his claim is a lie and he should be lynched instantly

.

Either this is a joke and you should be killed...

or this is serious and you should full claim.

[RayFrost]

OH, HI PLUM!!!

How nice of you to *ahem* grace us with your presence.

[RayFrost]

How would the shooting "work" if it was the truth?

[RayFrost]

Cobalt.

Seriously.

His role is crappy.

SSK dies, we lynch joe afterward.

unvote, vote: joe

[RayFrost]

Ummm...

SSK - you were the guy about to be lynched

relative to cobalt, you are scummier

so you die first to test cobalt's claim, obv.

[RayFrost]

I asked for a full claim too

I believe kdub over cobalt.

Iece should daykill MSSK so we can lynch cobalt for our daily dose of 2 kills on mafia.

[RayFrost]

I know you had, cobalt.

I was just sayin'

[RayFrost]

woohooo for obv scum, boo yah.

[RayFrost]

Coooome oooooon.

IECE, YOU SHOULD DAY KILL COBALT FIRST

[RayFrost]

Nah.

You die in daykill, we lynch MSSK.

I want you daykilled first because your claim is terribad and we have somebody that can disprove it.

What you really flip will help in determining if MSSK is actually a good lynch or not, as it will hopefully say if you had powers similar to what you said.

That's all.

[RayFrost]

Or it doesn't matter and you both die today. <--- I support this.

[RayFrost]

Do you want to be daykilled then?

[RayFrost]

You shouldn't be voting SSK if he's going to be daykilled.

[RayFrost]

Or it doesn't matter and you both die today. <--- I support this.

Thanks for ignoring this post, Forbs.

[RayFrost]

I support DTM's hypothesis

[RayFrost]

I disagree with Shotty here but still agree with DTM.

[RayFrost]

Relevant posts:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75#2028775

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 85#2028085

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 75#2028075

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 91#2028091

[RayFrost]

And how does a gun made to

help the light

do something that

helps the darkness

?

Slicey is too awesome a mod to be this dumb.

[RayFrost]

Look, Kdub just claimed that Cobalt was lying. We have Iec kill Cobalt. If Cobalt is scum, great; we can go on and lynch SSK. If Cobalt flips town, we have two scum caught. Cobalt, you needn't resist your lynch if you're Town, as you will have basically ensured the death of

two

scumbags. That's something to celebrate, man!

That said you're scum. Nice flailing, though.

/win

[RayFrost]

DTM:

I accidentally gave the links in reverse order >.>

Last one is the earliest post.

[RayFrost]

Wait, what? I never said SSK may not be scum. I just said daykill him and see what he flips before deciding what to do with cobalt. Killing him will get us a role name but I do not see that confirming his ability, though I assume if he flips town and has the same name as he said would confirm enough.

SSK is quite possibly kill immune.

Better to kill cobalt first.

[RayFrost]

Now it's a dayvig? sweet.

[RayFrost]

Anyway I promote kdub revealing his supposed information.

It'll help regardless, eh?

[RayFrost]

I'm too cool to be heated by such small things as AtE.

I'm like snorlax given an ice stone: chillaxed.

[RayFrost]

Wasn't in Grimm's.

I was in slicey's.

We are in another game together.

I'm also around GD, MD, and mish mash a bit.

[RayFrost]

"I have a jar of dirt, I have a jar of dirt, and guess what's inside it!" - Captain Jack Sparrow

I love this line. (just watched the movie for the second or third time... still epic)

[RayFrost]

@Town
Like seriously, show me if the above transition of events is wrong because this is how I read cobalt's recent posts.

Anyone who doesn't reply to this isn't town. Cobalt is dead meat. All votes on SSK need to halt because it'll end the day. Votes will be reset after Cobalt's death, so voting now is pointless anyway. Raider's affection for Cobalt is noted, though.

Ummm... I thought my constant agreement with DTM said enough?

[RayFrost]

LLOTFWIL: Kise

[RayFrost]

Cobalt's death is his Christmas present.

SSK's lynch is his Christmas present.

[RayFrost]

Sir Chris, you do not have the soul of a blunt individual.

Cobalt and SSK are both scum, the town's christmas present is having two obv scum caught on day two.

[RayFrost]

Sir Chris, you poor poor bastard, you have no idea who I am either.

Lets' introduce ourselves!

Hello, I am Ray Frost.

I am probably one of the few people that have been here for more than a month and remain playing over 10 games at a time.

I'm a terrible scum player, and I am a terrible town player.

I do best in the newbie game atmosphere because everybody is new so they suck as much as I do.

[RayFrost]

rofl

[RayFrost]

I said I want both dead.

How's that chainsaw?

[RayFrost]

That doesn't say anything about the fact I want SSK lynched afterward.

Again: how is it chainsaw if I want both of you dead?

Also, considering that the majority agreed with me, do you mean to say that half the town is chainsawing?

[RayFrost]

Scumteam: I suggest a Ray kill, there's not enough support for his lynch.

Scumteam(s):

The above is only true because people like cobalt and SSK are obv scum.

If you would like me to die (Despite my having been rather worthless for town so far), then I would recommend killing off the obv scum players first.

kthx

[RayFrost]

vote: MafiaSSK

[RayFrost]

Me dying is going to anger me!

Srsly.

It'd hardly help the scumteams in comparison to the death of town dynamos such as:

Iece

DGB

Sir Chris

Gorrad.

The fact cobalt says so when cobalt's fail scum really should be reason to not kill me as is.

[RayFrost]

Why would anyone kill me I am pretty much a townie who can be wildly mislead if you are clever enough!

Why would anyone kill ME is a better question.

Not only have I failed to really catch any scum, but I'm a good mislynch target (shockingly enough) for the following reasons:

1. I jumped onto the DoS wagon late in the day when I had been pretty much waffling or ignoring it earlier. (obvscum avoiding mislynch while letting it happen then jumping on to avoid pressure).

2. I voted for somebody other than MSSK or cobalt initially, pointing toward a weak meta case on Joe instead. (obvscum trying to direct away from scum buddy/buddies).

3. I voted for MSSK/cobalt later in the day, calling first for a MSSK shot then a cobalt shot as the town switched from one to the other. (obvscum bussing and following the town to stay under the radar).

Clearly you have an epic case to mislynch me.

Cobalt just failed to try hard enough (And was obvscum).

[RayFrost]

He's caught scum isn't he?

Did you help in catching him?

Then you helped catch scum.

[RayFrost]

Lemme reread them (I remember them cuz I have read them, but I have not said anything about them)

Also, you should comment on how awesome a case against me would be and how you would so get behind my lynch so that scum won't kill me.

[RayFrost]

I wanna point out that you never did a "gorrad post" before anything else.

I like the read on reckoner.

Obv, you were right about cobalt-scum.

I don't agree with the read on DGB quite as much.

DGB seems town to me due to how unashamed DGB is (and I think gorrad is town and gorrad trusts DGB for, IIRC, decent reasons).

[RayFrost]

Starbuck ignoring SSK is noted.

[RayFrost]

1) How do you know they are roles?

2) how do you know they have actions?

3) how do you know they'll target you?

[RayFrost]

No comments on me?

[RayFrost]

You were supposed to say that I'm scummy so that the scum see the WIFOM and realize that they should kill me so I die so I can use my magical powers of after-death gifting to give somebody awesome and mighty powers. (WIFOM provided by Ray Frost, the chill pill)

[RayFrost]

ZaZ is a spammer.

[RayFrost]

I'll answer the quote first:

I didn't get the case.

With the claim, I find SSK to not be very likeable.

Also, I'd link you to the game I've got meta from, but it is ongoing.

Fact of the matter is, I've seen SSK flip town with terrible play, so I find it difficult to differentiate between SSK-terrible town and SSK-terrible mafia.

Also, I made a case for lynching me, not for lack of NKing me.

Seriously.

lrn2read.

Also, you, iecerint, sir chris, and gorrad are all people that I would find difficult, if not impossible, to hide from if I was scum (assuming you are town, ofc). I also think you lot are town.

If I could explain why I don't/do want scum to NK me, I would. However, if I did, then you would see that it'd be very difficult to convince the scum to either NK me or not.

At minimum, I don't want to be NKed because I want to continue playing.

[RayFrost]

Vote: SSK

I'm also gonna assume that XII/Nobodys aren't necessarily an anti-town wincon.

lolfail.

[RayFrost]

I confess you seeming praise of me (saying it would be difficult to hide from me as scum) worries me, just because you seem to have a hard to please attitude, and it seems foreign to the image I have of you.

But maybe that's the point.

Your (what I perceive to be) balls to the wall attitude is what gives me a warm fuzzy feeling about you.

DGB is renowned.

Gorrad has shown skillz.

Iece is the freakin' dayvig. Dayvigs are inherently awesome.

[RayFrost]

Lol.

Better to be in her face than sheepish around her.

I prefer the don't get into a conflict until I have evidence that she's scum approach.

Might just be me, though.

[RayFrost]

What on earth is the point of this comment? You have made it twice.

It's obv NK steering and avoiding the NK to myself.

[RayFrost]

Vote: SSK

I'm also gonna assume that XII/Nobodys aren't necessarily an anti-town wincon.

lolfail.

I had a feeling this needed to be requoted with the addative:

Reck can has daykill tomorowzz?

[RayFrost]

I deserve the credit, since SC was quoting me, so I did it first!

[RayFrost]

I actually

did

say that about SSK

[RayFrost]

I actually

did

say that about SSK

And for excusing SSK, the Grim Reaper will smite you with his scythe early, I predict.

I said it initially with what I perceive to be valid reasons and then shifted from my original position.

Obviously, I'm scum to you, so I should be left alive for a mislynch on me.

(yeh, you consider me town or consider me scum, either way I basically win out, as I either die or die)