Mini 847 Murder in Zachtown (Game over!)

[Nikanor]

Yay!

Vote: KittyMo.

She's obvious scum, as evidenced by her flip-flopping.

[Nikanor]

Unvote. Vote: CSL.

Hypocrisy, bandwagonning, AND OMGUS, all in one post! It's almost too good to be true!

[Nikanor]

Unvote. Vote: DTMaster OMGUS!

Any particular reason why you voted DTM over Nikanor? We're both voting you, y'know.

Vote: Battle Mage

Maybe you and Ckool are taking so much time to confirm because you're enjoying your scummy night chat privileges? Eh? Eh? (Note: this post was a thinly-veiled random vote and should not be taken as anything else)

I was about to do that too, until I checked and saw that BM hasn't posted a votecount in the game he's modding since a day before this thread opened. I'd assume he's V/LA. :/

[Nikanor]

Please don't post like Mastin. I will cry.

(Shrug) I personally enjoy Mastin's posting style.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor is voting for CSL, not KittyMo.

Fixed Votecount

[Nikanor]

Yeah, I like my vote on CSL.

@CSL: You're getting a bit jumpy under so little pressure. Why is that?

[Nikanor]

Unvote: Battle Mage since he showed up.....Kind of at a loss of what to do from there, though.

Do you think self-voting is pro-town, anti-town, or null?
What do you think of CSL's votehopping?

[Nikanor]

I smell jester play or sarcasm.

Do you really think we have a jester in this mini normal? :/

[Nikanor]

@DTM: Jesters and lynchers are typically only used in bastard mod / open setup games, because it's just too easy to win as one of the two in a closed game where people aren't expecting it.
Also, I noticed you asked BM if his self-vote was jester play. Why didn't you ask Haylen the same question?

[Nikanor]

@Mod: Can you put a 'not voting' section in your vote counts? It just makes wagon analysis so much easier.
Thanks.

[Nikanor]

Unvote. Vote: Battle Mage.

Why are you extending the RVS with this proxy vote stuff? I was starting to see some actual discussion, then you come in with your proxy votes and ruin it all.

[Nikanor]

it is because BM
is
a
doosh .__.

You mean douche? As in the French word for shower?

[Nikanor]

I'm pretty sure it was here, Haylen.

[Nikanor]

Whatever. It's been my experience that the game will begin when it begins

That is an anti-town stance. I've seen a game where the RVS flowed over into day three, simply because a majority of the players shared your opinion on the RVS.
If nobody tries to start discussion, discussion won't start.

[Nikanor]

@BM: Was there at least any purpose to asking people to join your proxy vote clique? I was thinking people who proxied out their vote seemed a little eager to 'fit in.'

[Nikanor]

1) Battle Mage seems to think that he can simply put a vote on someone without reason and expect them to claim. Is this scummy, or is it merely meta? If it is meta, how should we interpret that in-game?

Well, I wouldn't say he doesn't have a reason for voting. He's right; Maemuki is scummy.

4) What is your general playstyle and meta, since it seems to be rather important in this game?

I have no general playstyle that I know of. Feel free to look at my meta, though. There are links to all my games on my wiki page.
I'm ignoring your other two questions because I have nothing to say about them.

Nikanor: I'm liking the posts from him so far. When he's scum, it's fairly obvious to most intelligent people based on his actions, so I'll look into that later on.

But you didn't think I was obvscum in our game together. Are you insulting yourself?

I like CSL's insistance to go down with his scumbuddy.

Unvote. Vote: CSL.

Maemuki is very scummy, and needs to be run up.

I thought you said you wanted to kill the buddier before the buddiee? What changed your mind, specifically?
I agree that they both need to die, because they're both scum, but why Maemuki over CSL now?

[Nikanor]

right now I see BM as someone who is not wanting to play properly and is just a clueless idiot intent on rambling and CSL is someone who just wants to join in and not add anything to the game himself.

Out of those two actions, which do you think is scummier? Starting the rambling nonsense, or joining in on the rambling nonsense?

[Nikanor]

lol, Nikanor, dont even bother.

Haha, there should have been quotes around 'rambling nonsense.' I believe there was at least some purpose behind your proxy-voting and whatnot. I want to a) make him see that even something that can be interpreted as 'rambling nonsense' can be useful, and b) get him to actually produce some useful, maybe some reads, instead of just complaining about the so-called 'ramblings.'

[Nikanor]

Unvote. Vote: Jason.

Your 264 was totally useless in itself. You realise that you just spent what is probably two pages of text bitching about what you thought was useless, right? Do you have any actual reads on anyone? Have you just skipped any post that looks like actual conversation?

[Nikanor]

Some of BM's posts that you called 'useless' were actually pretty transparent in their intent, if you ask me. You're overgeneralising and tunnelling, Jason.

[Nikanor]

@269 (I was about to quote it. :/): We're not even allowed to quote modtext in-thread? I thought that only applied to private messages?

Most rulesets are written that way. (To allow quoted mod text in-thread that is.) I am not allowing it because I want to be in the background as much as possible.

[Nikanor]

Right now I want to concentrate on finding out why BM is so hell for leather on getting Mae lynched

I thought it was quite obvious, really. Am I seriously the only one who is seeing what BM is seeing?

[Nikanor]

I know I said I like playing with Mastin, but seriously folks! What's with all the walls so early in the game?

[Nikanor]

So, uh,

prod on Maemuki and CSL

, please?
They're lurking! They must be scum! /hypocrisy
But yeah, if there's anything I missed that should be commented on, let me know. It all just looks like a bunch of, 'BM! Explain the Maemuki case, please!' We need Maemuki/CSL here to defend Maemuki, and to get some actual discussion going.
And that's me pointing out the obvious.

[Nikanor]

....Do I look like a robot to you? No? Great, that's because I'm not.

What's that supposed to mean? I don't think anyone here expects you to be a robot, but I think we should be able to have the reasonable expectation for you to post more often than once every two days, and to defend yourself against accusations being made against you.

[Nikanor]

And now that I have time, I'm not sure on how I'll make that same defense.

I believe BM or Jason has outlined the points against you pretty clearly in one of their recent posts. You can address them point-by-point, if you like. I think that would be the most efficient way to handle them.

[Nikanor]

I like a Nikanor vote atm. He's been decidedly neutral, and playing far more competently than i'd expect from one of Haylen's clique.

What do you mean when you say, 'decidedly neutral?' Do you mean that I am not hopping my vote all over the place like you are?
I actually agree with your Nikanor vote. Pressuring the quieter people (such as myself) is a pro-town thing to do, imo.

Unvote.

I'd like to see what YB says before I decide to keep my vote on her or not.

[Nikanor]

Dont take offence-i think it's a good strategy. But i think Nikanor-town would be more aggressive and direct in scumhunting.

Are you saying that based on my meta?

[Nikanor]

Dont take offence-i think it's a good strategy. But i think Nikanor-town would be more aggressive and direct in scumhunting.

Are you saying that based on my meta?

No. I cant reference my meta on you anyway. It's just my gut.

Haha, good, because that's not my meta at all.
Still waiting to hear more from Maemuki. I'd like to hear something from Haylen as well. Stepping in occassionally to police the game is not adequate participation.
And good to have you here, YB.

[Nikanor]

I'm maintaining my vote on YB/CSL until an adequate post is made by the bunny.

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? (/strawman)

ckool 362: Waaay to fence sit. That post is either town or scum.... lol very helpful.

Agreed. Please say something useful. You can only post once a day, so at least make that one post worthwhile.

[Nikanor]

Vote:ckool5000.

I understand YB's explaination of CSL's actions. I used to do the same thing myself when I was about his age.
Anyway, YB is not the best lynch for today, imo. CSL's scumminess is still there, but ckool's uselessness and fencesitting is worse. I also like KittyMo's compilation.

@BM: You say that CSL likes to make PBPAs, and that the lack of PBPAs arouses your suspicion. When does he usually make his first?

@ckool: Did you not say you could post more than once on weekends? Where are you? Please contribute!

[Nikanor]

Vote: Deadline Extension.
Deadline Extension Vote Count:
Extension (4) - Nikanor, jasonT1981, Netopalis, yellowbunny.

[Nikanor]

And I'm kinda preoccupied by my internal struggles with BM and the fact that the more this game continues, the more scumreads I get on people.

That's really irrelevant to what you're trying to use that to defend yourself against. i.e. your 'internal struggles with BM' have nothing to do with whether you vote ckool or not. Your vote isn't even on BM, so I don't see how that is relevant in the slightest sense.
Also, over-explaining is a bit of a scumtell, imo.

Unvote. Vote: KittyMo.

the more scumreads I get on people. =S I don't think I've ever had this many.

Scumreads on whom?

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, you've seen me play town. I tend to overexplain as town as well, imo. Do you agree? Also, thinking about every player IS relevant to where you put your vote.

I'll have to reread that game to decide. I don't remember it all that well, to be honest.

[Nikanor]

Where's Nikanor? He needs to quit lurking and provide some thoughts on the game.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, you've seen me play town. I tend to overexplain as town as well, imo. Do you agree?

Now that I've reread that game, no. You did quite a poor job at defending yourself in that game, actually. Mind trying to convince me or point me to where I should be looking in that game where you overdefended?

Post nothing but nonsense
refuse to scum hunt

replace out as scum

YB..

the similarities here are identical to Sottys game.

The italics in particular appear to be a slip implying knowledge of alignment.
This will be brought up again if YB ever flips scum, and ignored if YB flips town.

I fail to see how my statement about CSL's actions can be regarded a question as no such question was asked. I was merely making a factual comment based on CSL's scum meta that has been backed up by other players in this game

This looks like a really scummy attempt to throw some dirt on YB.

No...but I don't see *her* actions as scummy and I don't see people attacking her for *her* actions - I see people attacking her for CSL's actions which were indeed scummy.

If YB flips scum, Neto is very likely scum as well, due to this post.

All I'm saying is that his gameplay was similar - he COULD be scum in both, but it is statistically unlikely.

Wow, that's the first time I've ever seen someone use the gambler's fallacy to defend someone.
Hopefully it will be the last.

Unvote. Vote: Netopalis.

I'm not going to vote for Maemuki simply because I feel as if we can learn more from her if we let her live for the moment. As it is now, the only thing we'll know if she flips scum is that YB would be very likely scum. I feel as if we should get more from that playerspot before eliminating it.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, you've seen me play town. I tend to overexplain as town as well, imo. Do you agree?

Now that I've reread that game, no. You did quite a poor job at defending yourself in that game, actually. Mind trying to convince me or point me to where I should be looking in that game where you overdefended?

I recall going back and explaining the same thing several times. Want me to quote things?

Actually, if I recall correctly, the reason why you kept going back and explaining the same thing was because I kept bringing it up over and over. Haha.
Yeah, link me to posts if you have them.

Unvote.

I believe the correct move for a doctor counterclaim is at the beginning of day two. However, if Neto is scum, it's up to the real doctor (if we have one) to decide when to counterclaim, so long as he doesn't wait until lylo.
That said, I'm probably not the doctor. I'm not making any guarantees, though.

[Nikanor]

I actually like this alot. I get "end of day bussing" vibes from it. At the point you made this post, a Netopalis lynch looks highly unlikely, but you wanna get some good distancing in. On the plus side for you, i totally agree with your view on what we do with Maemuki. And i dont think a Maemuki-scum flip necessarily means YB is scum. As we've already discussed here, they are very close outside of the game, and i think that's what we got a taste of here.

I like how you slipped 'Nik is scum with Neto' in there without actually saying it.

[Nikanor]

526: SCUMDAR ALERT! Asking people to say not doctor is equivalent to people saying they are if they are. Stop narrowing down doc suspects. This reeks of scuminess since you are leading soft claims left right and center with that statement.

Erm, he's looking for a doctor counterclaim. What else do you want him to do?

Unvote Neto now. Meta call in Mafia Discussion suggests: He is disgruntled town then scum

Why not just disgruntled scum?

[Nikanor]

As for other scummy people, outside of Mae, CK, and BM (in that order) there is a person who have been seeming a little "off" to me - Nikanor. This is based solely on meta from an ongoing game he and I were both in (but we are both dead at this point). He was town in that game, and I feel his playstyle is somewhat different in this game. I think he is being more quiet/participating in scum hunting less. Nothing huge...but worth noting.

It's because I've been lurking through a good portion of this game.
You can take a look at my meta, if you'd like. I've only flipped scum in three games - one of them is ongoing, but I was obvscum since day one, one of them I didn't even really get a chance to play, and one of them I replaced in as scum and immediately jumped on every bandwagon that formed.
I'm actually pretty bad at playing scum. If I were scum in this game, you'd know it.

[Nikanor]

Appeal to emotion is slightly annoying, don't you think?
@Netopalis: Show me where I was 'bullying' and 'harass'-ing you. Then I might be inclined to fall for your AtE.

[Nikanor]

You can seriously regard this action has heavy role fishing since the doctor would have no choice but to claim if the above situation occured. The best way to test the claim if he's unCCed is to deal with it on day 2. You out of all people should know this with your above statement.

Other people have different opinions. I can understand that. He thinks a doc should CC immediately, I think a doc should CC tomorrow. He's not scummy for having a different opinion.

[Nikanor]

Vote: Maemuki.

Best deadline lynch I can think of.
@Jason: What do you think of Netopalis's doc claim?

[Nikanor]

BATTLEMAGE. PUT YOUR VOTE ON MAEMUKI PLEASE. Neither Haylen nor Maemuki are very likely going to show up in the next 24 hours.

I would reccomend most people do the same. I don't totally believe the claim, but I do for the most part.

And I will break my deal with BM if it will stop a deadline no-lynch, but otherwise I am going to stick with it.

Erm, what?
Just move your vote to Maemuki yourself.

[Nikanor]

I do find it unlikely that we've managed to put large bandwagons on 2 town power roles on Day 1, though. I mean, how many power roles are there, approximately, in a game this size?

Search for 'Foggy Londontown' to get an example of a game with a pair of lovers, a hider, and a doctor, all outed day one. Conveniently, there were also two scumgroups to help kill off the power roles.
Basically, the story went that we gave ourselves a false dilemma of lynching one of the power roles. That was bad, bad, bad.
Both claimed power roles are now easily tested. I suggest we go for a lynch on YB.

From my pov, I know this is a mislynch, but with CSL's budding behavior to Mae, this slot is simply to dangerous to keep around for town (think LYLO).

There you go.

Unvote. Vote: yellowbunny.

[Nikanor]

There are 6.5 hours left until deadline, folks. Get voting.
@hito: Do you have anything useful to say? Maybe a vote to throw?

[Nikanor]

So, in the case that we lynch Mae, and she pops scum, town should lynch me. From my pov, I know this is a mislynch, but with CSL's budding behavior to Mae, this slot is simply to dangerous to keep around for town (think LYLO).

Sorry yellowbunny, didn't mean to misrepresent there. I remember seeing the quote as I skimmed through your wall of text, and didn't reread as I pulled the quote, leading to my misunderstanding.
I'm still going to keep my vote on you, though.

[Nikanor]

That's not even close to a self-hammer. By my count, yellowbunny is at L-3 still.

[Nikanor]

Wow, I'm slow.

[Nikanor]

That's L-1.

[Nikanor]

I'm willing to lynch Jason.
Also, what happened to treating Mae as confirmed town if Haylen flips scum? I can't remember the exact words, but you did say something along those lines.

[Nikanor]

Unvote. Vote: Jason.

[Nikanor]

And what information we'd get out of a jason mislynch?

[Nikanor]

Oh, I was more rolling my eyes at the 'mislynch' part of your statement. I agree that it is a good question to ask, but I don't want to start making all kinds of conclusions an hour before the deadline without even knowing if he'll be lynched.

[Nikanor]

I'd rather no-lynch than lynch someone I have a town-read on.

[Nikanor]

Actually, your self-vote is conspicuously proximate to BM's talk about self-voting and its townieness. It raises an eyebrow, but I'd still rather lynch Jason.

[Nikanor]

So Jason goes to bed with his vote still on the unCC'd doctor. Awesome.
39 minutes, folks.

[Nikanor]

Results, Maemuki.

[Nikanor]

Hooray. Thank you, Zach!

[Nikanor]

Oh hey, I didn't notice you had replaced in.
Welcome Vi!

[Nikanor]

Despite her incredibly scummy posting so far today, i'm still inclined to believe Maemuki's claim.

By 'scummy posting,' are you talking about the fact that she is insulting herself? I would agree that that is usually scummy, but Maemuki's meta regularly calls herself dumb, so this is more of a nulltell. Correct me if I'm on the wrong track about what you mean, here.

I think the Doc-kill reads newb-scum more than anything.

Agreed. More experienced scum would have left Netopalis alone, especially when his target is easily predicted and avoided. This is a WIFOM argument, however, and should not be taken as too big a tell.

[Nikanor]

I need to make some sense out of all these walls before I post anything of content. Stay tuned.

[Nikanor]

Two people (both Jason and myself) have suggested that Tracker is an

even

safer fake claim.

I assume that is the word you deleted upon rereading your post in preview. You have been fairly spot-on with spelling so far, so I doubt you would string two typos together like that. Since this is the case, the only fake-claim to which you might be referring is your own vanilla claim. What does everyone else think of this?

I unvoted you after BM did because a) I didn't see a YB lynch happening after BM stuck his head out and declared you town, and b) I wanted to vote Jason.

@DTM: You say that we should lynch you if we find you the scummiest in this town. For one, that's what we should always do. I don't know why you need to say that. Second, do you find yourself the scummiest one here? By your own logic, that should be the only reason for why you would be throwing yourself behind your own lynch by self-voting. I suppose I can agree to your

[Nikanor]

I suppose I can agree to your

conclusion that you are the scummiest.

Vote: DTMaster.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, maybe you should spend more time writing your own posts and less time grammer-Nazi-ing other people's?

Haha, alright. I knew it was a stretch, which is why I asked for alternate opinions.

Um...I don't see where he said he thought he was the most scummy. Is that two misreps in one tiny post?

By his own logic, he has declared himself the scummiest.

There is no way to have known part a. When he unvoted, that put me at L-2...very hammerable range...definitely more so than Jason. Did you honestly believe there was a chance at getting a Jason lynch at that point???

I thought you had less of a chance at being hammered. *shrug* I was also of the opinion that Jason was more scummy than you, so if I thought I might as well try.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, I was going mostly on gut for Jason late yesterday. Although the reason for my gut reaction could easily be that Jason has terrible grammar (My gut activates on people with bad grammar, for some reason of which I am unaware).

[Nikanor]

Vi, I'll answer your question once jason tells us why he is voting BM, and what he thinks of hito's vote on jason. I'm waiting for that to happen because I am suspicious of jason, but I'd like to hear his answer to those questions before making a judgement on him.
Also, Thanksgiving weekend saps my motivation.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor, you do not dispute that lurking isn't a part of your town-meta. I wouldn't be surprised if, based on your previous lack of success as scum, you are changing to a new tactic: lurking. HOS: Nikanor

I hate to deflect, but Haylen, Maemuki, hito and KittyMo are all lurking to a greater degree than I am. Why are you speculating on the reason for my lurking while ignoring theirs?
hito is a person I'd like to hear more from. His vote on Jason looked opportunistic and scummy.

[Nikanor]

And there's nobody else you're suspicious of...?

Well I'm suspicious of DTM for claiming VT and self-voting an hour before deadline and directly after BM said that self-voting is townie. The fact that his vote is still on himself isn't earning him any points, either.

[Nikanor]

Catching up and whatnot.

[Nikanor]

4) Nikanor is your entire basis of thinking I am scum based upon my grammar not being great? Or is there more? Why does your gut activate on people with bad grammar to make you think they are scum for this?

It's not that. My basis of thinking you are scum is pretty much based on gut, yes. My gut activates on people with bad grammar. There is a definite correlation here, but whether that correlation implies causality is another story. At the moment, I'm leaning toward an r of about 0.7.

I want to hear more from DTM, but I suppose we'll have to wait until Friday for that.
@DTM: What do you think of Jason and hito's crossvoting?

[Nikanor]

Issue though: Nikanor likes playing with Mastin, therefore he is a text wall masochist. I smell favoritism from Kitty for a Kitty/Nik scum team or Kitty buddying. (is serious here)

I like Mastin's posts because even though they are massive, they are not very dense because of the amount of one-liners, and because he USES QUOTES EFFECTIVELY, something other players in this game seem to have trouble doing.

The reason I asked you to comment on the crossvoting is for me to know and for you to find out.

[Nikanor]

Sorry Maemuki, I forgot, haha.

Maemuki would like for you to say who you suspect. Why? Because I didn't see them. >.<

Basically, my top two suspects are DTM and hito. I've said my reason(s?) for suspecting DTM. I'm suspicious of hito for his dubious jason vote.
If I were to provide a third, it would probably be yellowbunny, but it's not easy to get a read from her when she follows DTM's posting style (i.e. I ignore most of it).
My suspicion of jason is somewhat assuaged (lessened) by Sotty's meta evidence, but I'm sticking to the principle that people can change.
Vi's helpful. BM is disappeared, but I had a townread from him. Sotty is helpful. Maemuki will probably be dead tonight, but if not, I'll be pretty suspicious of her.

[Nikanor]

Why do you ignore them?

Because I don't like looking back and finding the posts to which they are referring when DTM and yellowbunny post. Take DTM's 856, for example.

@Kitty
Eww 817: Get better.

Issue though: Nikanor likes playing with Mastin, therefore he is a text wall masochist. I smell favoritism from Kitty for a Kitty/Nik scum team or Kitty buddying. (is serious here)

I had to look back and find post 817 to see what DTM was talking about. When he does that ten times in one post, I start to feel a tinge of apathy creeping up my spine. Sure, it's easier for DTM to post like that, but it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult on other people.

Aside from that, if Sotty didn't have meta evidence, would Jason be your third option for scum?

[Nikanor]

Oops, my answer to your last sentence there is 'yes'.

[Nikanor]

And that was only one sentence, Mastin-style.

Yes, and it took me not even a minute to go through. That much content would take me five minutes to go through if you were imitating DTM's posting style here.

Yes, he goes sentence by sentence.

Yeah, that part gets annoying.

In more related news

Related how?

I'd like for you to restate your reasons on DTMaster.

I already have.

I only picked up on the self-vote.

That's because that's pretty much the only reason I'm voting him, hehe.

[Nikanor]

@Nikanor: You have previously stated you thought Jason was scummy (example...your iso 70). Has the meta Sotty posted modified your opinion?

Yes, I think I said that recently.

[Nikanor]

I will respond to hito once Vi makes a tl;dr version of it.

Also, stop asking me the same bloody questions. hito, I've already said who I'd like lynched.

[Nikanor]

hito was missing from the last votecount, which is slightly suspect, at least in terms of the doublevoter.
@Haylen: Vig tonight. Also, hito is not a newbie. His join date is Feb 2008. I find the fact that hito would accept the newbcard pretty suspicious.
My vote's already on DTM. I'm not moving it.

[Nikanor]

Yup, waiting on BM and Haylen.

[Nikanor]

Now that I think about it, it's actually pretty impossible for Haylen to have been roleblocked without Mae lying about her claim. Mae would have been blocked n1 if scum had a roleblocker and both Haylen and Mae are telling the truth.
A Mafia Doctor would make sense, but I'm not sure how likely it is that he would protect Vi.
Oh, and don't forget that if the doublevoter is mafia, this is lylo.

[Nikanor]

After Nikanor's post of saying that he would suspect me if I was alive today, no wonder I wasn't killed. Seriously.

Yeah, that was a lie to keep you alive.

I was almost lynched on Day 1, claimed tracker, and people still suspected me. I think the scum were hoping for a Day 2 lynch.

I'm guessing they left you alive n1 because killing the doctor was a higher priority.

Oh, and don't forget that if the doublevoter is mafia, this is lylo.

This. I suppose we could have a motivator hanging about as well, but I'm not sure how likely that role is in a normal game.

[Nikanor]

I think the doublevoter is probably BM, judging by the time at which the ??? vote was placed.

Just look at Zachs posts in Iso relating to the ??? votes. It doesnt seem that no one person is on every wagon.

*Rubs chin* Perhaps the doublevoter cannot be voting the same person twice? That would make for an effective balancing mechanism.
That, and BM has never been on the same wagon as the ??? vote....

[Nikanor]

Erm, how can i be the doublevoter, when the 2nd vote is not with mine? :S

Did you even read my post?

[Nikanor]

THEN WE DON'T HAVE A DOUBLE-VOTER, DO WE?

I am a single-voter. You are a double-voter. You may place your secret vote on any person except for the one on which your normal vote currently resides by sending a private message to the mod with the name of the person who you would like to vote. The reason for why you cannot place your two votes on one person is because the mod doesn't want 9p lylo.
That is what I am thinking about the double-voter, anyway.

[Nikanor]

BM, would you mind voting Haylen please?

[Nikanor]

>_> This is ridiculous. I guess we won't actually learn anything from hopping BM's vote all around.

[Nikanor]

Note also, that the vote doesnt actually count. Why are we even discussing this??

I think that BM is on crack.
Maemuki - 3 (DDD, Hayl, ???)
How do you get, 'The vote doesn't count,' out of that?

[Nikanor]

Seriously, whoever is the double-voter should stop. Neither I nor any of the other players are going to buy into this WIFOM.

[Nikanor]

I actually want to punch every single one of you in the face. The votecount i quoted did NOT list the question mark guy as one of the voters. The mod has since editted this, but i was correct in pointing it out.

No. I reiterated exactly what you quoted in my post 1137, so as not to modquote. Why are you lying about this?

I still think the vote is part of the game mechanic. It changes every votecount. Zach is controlling it. How is that any wierder than having a secret double-voter, who is online all the bloody time? It's ridiculous, and i want to ignore it

No. That's like putting a post restriction in a mini normal. I am sure this is not a game mechanic. It is being controlled by someone with human intelligence. It is not random. Also, you're online all the time.
And again, this could be lylo. Stop trying to ignore this double-vote.

*Oh and btw, if there is any speculation about the double-vote being scum, it's quite obvious that Nikanor is mafia. Just sayin'.

Trying to intimidate me into ignoring the double-vote? Shame on you, BM. I guess that means I'm on the right track.

Vote: Battle Mage.

[Nikanor]

T_T

[Nikanor]

How confident are you of BM flipping scum?

Pretty confident, actually. What he's doing now is making absolutely no sense from a town perspective.

[Nikanor]

when his record outs him Nik takes him down.

Ftr, I was the first one to notice the fact that BM never voted with the ???.

[Nikanor]

I'm seriously disappointed with my performance this game. I need more practise with power roles. :S