Mini 847 Murder in Zachtown (Game over!)

[Zachrulez]

5th vote count of day 3:

Haylen - 3 (Sotty7, jasonT1981, Maemuki)
Maemuki - 3 (Battle Mage, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Haylen)
Vi - 1 (???)

Not voting (Nikanor, hitogoroshi, Vi)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

[Sotty7]

Looks like the ??? has moved again and seems to have nothing to do with the BM vote. It could just simply be someone with an extra vote and no restrictions.

Mae, I thought you were saying that you assumed Haylen was telling the truth, what has changed that line of thinking? I also don't see where Haylen “admitted” to not being the vig.

[Battle Mage]

I voted you first...that wasn't OMGUS, nor was it opportunistic.

HAYLEN CALLS MAEMUKI, BM AND VI SCUMTEAM.

Oh lovely. So, after i lynch my 2 top suspects, you're gonna accuse me of bussing? Well that's just GRAND... lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

Everyone, unvote Haylen. BM, vote Haylen when it would not lynch. If you are unable or unwilling to vote along with ???, BM, I'm going to assume you're scum. (If ??? moves, you move your vote immediately to follow it.) And I certainly don't like how Maemuki jumped on Haylen to put her at L-1 so suddenly BM had a reason to not vote her - could be scum-mae protecting a scumbuddy OR scum-mae trying to implicate a townie.

BM, you're not stupid and we know it. This is a very easy thing to test and town-BM would just get it out of the way.

If you like, when you unvote you can say something like "This vote is going right back when BM votes with ???".

Unvote, Vote: Vi

1, 2, testing, testing.

Once this little facade is over with, i

will

deal with you.

I shall also point out, this speculation is meaningless. I am not the double-voter, and even if i was, the mechanic you are suggesting is obscenely broken.

More to the point, how do we know YOU aren't the double-voter, and using this stupid hypothesis to implicate me? It's unbelievably conceited...

BM

[Battle Mage]

you knew I couldn't have done anything last night.

...you just admitted to not being the vigilante there.

wtf? i dont get it at all...

BM

[Battle Mage]

I never said that >.>

I said I was RB'd as i have said before. I couldn't vig anyone last night because I was RB'd.

what's with the weak defence here? She has nothing, and yet you're cowering in the corner...
Impressive arguing from Maemuki, but no evidence to back it up.

BM

[Haylen]

Haylen doesn't cower, she says what's what.

[Zachrulez]

6th vote count of day 3:

Haylen - 3 (Sotty7, jasonT1981, Maemuki)
Maemuki - 3 (Debonair Danny DiPietro, Haylen, ???)
Vi - 1 (Battle Mage)

Not voting (Nikanor, hitogoroshi, Vi)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

[Maemuki]

And now I don't know what to think. This can be doublevoting scum framing BM...or BM just doing this.

Either one.

[Nikanor]

>_> This is ridiculous. I guess we won't actually learn anything from hopping BM's vote all around.

[Battle Mage]

And now I don't know what to think. This can be doublevoting scum framing BM...or BM just doing this.

Either one.

Lol, or the question marks just move every votecount?

I dont think it's anything tbh.

Unvote, Vote: Maemuki

BM

[Battle Mage]

Note also, that the vote doesnt actually count. Why are we even discussing this??

BM

Moderator quote removed.

[Nikanor]

Note also, that the vote doesnt actually count. Why are we even discussing this??

I think that BM is on crack.
Maemuki - 3 (DDD, Hayl, ???)
How do you get, 'The vote doesn't count,' out of that?

[jasonT1981]

So BM puts her at -1 does he? and he is saying vote does not count?

Yea, I agree.. dude is on crack. how can it not be Anything, when it is a confirmed vote?

[Maemuki]

...that would be bastardly, BM. This is a Mini Normal. Emphasis on the normal.

What's the chance of the ??? being random? Seriously?

Also, I'm at L-1. *sigh*

[Zachrulez]

7th vote count of day 3:

Haylen - 3 (Sotty7, jasonT1981, Maemuki)
Maemuki - 3 (Debonair Danny DiPietro, Haylen, Battle Mage)
Battle Mage - 1 (???)

Not voting (Nikanor, hitogoroshi, Vi)

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

[Nikanor]

Seriously, whoever is the double-voter should stop. Neither I nor any of the other players are going to buy into this WIFOM.

[hitogoroshi]

Well let's think about this for a second. For it to be scum implicating BM, that would mean our hypothesis would have to be wrong, and that scum can vote with the double vote. (An exception - maybe the double vote is passed among scum each day...? And you just can't vote with it on your day? That seems very convoluted but it's possible.) That would mean there either there are only two scum or this is LYLO. Just something to keep in mind.

And it's also worth thinking about what 'can't vote with the double vote' would have to mean. After all, Zach can't well just ban a vote in the game; that would be exceptionally obvious. So the only real probable mechanism is that when BM votes for someone, if the double vote is on them, it either a.) goes away or b.) transfer to another random person. Either exactly that is happening, or someone is changing the votes in the span between BM voting and Zach posting the vote count. (twenty minutes in one case)

BM, this is raw information, and quite literally the heart and soul of mafia. This vote is almost certainly conscious (the recent gymnastics seemed to confirm that) and judging by the lack of claims is controlled by a mafioso. It is incredibly in the town's best interest to get to the bottom of this. Post your speculations, refute ours, but when you say you don't think it's anything - we both know that's a load of bull. If you're a townie, BM,

scum are trying to frame you and you're saying it's not important.

[Battle Mage]

I actually want to punch every single one of you in the face. The votecount i quoted did NOT list the question mark guy as one of the voters. The mod has since editted this, but i was correct in pointing it out.

Hito, dont think your shenanigans have escaped me either. You've spent the ENTIRETY of this game buddying upto me, to the point that even I am cringing.

I still think the vote is part of the game mechanic. It changes every votecount. Zach is controlling it. How is that any wierder than having a secret double-voter, who is online all the bloody time? It's ridiculous, and i want to ignore it, and lynch one of:

Vi, Hito, Maemuki, Jason.

End of.

BM

*Oh and btw, if there is any speculation about the double-vote being scum, it's quite obvious that Nikanor is mafia. Just sayin'.

[Nikanor]

I actually want to punch every single one of you in the face. The votecount i quoted did NOT list the question mark guy as one of the voters. The mod has since editted this, but i was correct in pointing it out.

No. I reiterated exactly what you quoted in my post 1137, so as not to modquote. Why are you lying about this?

I still think the vote is part of the game mechanic. It changes every votecount. Zach is controlling it. How is that any wierder than having a secret double-voter, who is online all the bloody time? It's ridiculous, and i want to ignore it

No. That's like putting a post restriction in a mini normal. I am sure this is not a game mechanic. It is being controlled by someone with human intelligence. It is not random. Also, you're online all the time.
And again, this could be lylo. Stop trying to ignore this double-vote.

*Oh and btw, if there is any speculation about the double-vote being scum, it's quite obvious that Nikanor is mafia. Just sayin'.

Trying to intimidate me into ignoring the double-vote? Shame on you, BM. I guess that means I'm on the right track.

Vote: Battle Mage.

[jasonT1981]

This is getting tedious, though I agree it is good to know what the hell is going on with the ??? it has majorly distracted us from scumhunting and instead we are phantom vote hunting which is anti-town in itself and is only helping scum right now.

BM - what makes you so sure that ??? is nothing
Mae - Do you have any thoughts and insight as to who scum is?
Hito- Do you believe scum are trying to frame BM
Haylen - would you be happy with a Mae lynch?
Sotty - You have been very quiet as of late, what gives?

I think I covered everyone there, is there anyone I am forgetting?

[jasonT1981]

Ah yes Vi and DDD sorry guys

Would you both be happy with a Mae lynch over a Haylen lynch?

Do any of you think a BM lynch maybe a good idea?

[Nikanor]

T_T

[jasonT1981]

Bah... Nika sorry, I had actually you down, must have deleted it as I was editing some things before posting.

How confident are you of BM flipping scum?

[Nikanor]

How confident are you of BM flipping scum?

Pretty confident, actually. What he's doing now is making absolutely no sense from a town perspective.