Webcomic Wars Mafia: D7- Be Thankful I'm Not The Author

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Totally confirming up in here

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vote: sensfan

hurpadurp

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Vote: LC

LC seems to me, to be too quick to judge and his reaction gto Tar makes me think he'll attack anything.

How do you mean? It looked like he was just trying to respond to points being raised against him.

TSS: What do you mean by "set fishy up for a 1-2 mislynch"?

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I have to agree with the Santos meta of foolish townie. I don't know why anybody would volunteer or ask for a claim that early though.

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I think the lammont case is weak but is probably going to happen. I saw the phrase over enthusiastic used to describe him and I think that's probably it. Populartajo and fishy look scummy to me. Tajo's a gut thing, fishy's the post you just cited.

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I think the lammont case is weak but is probably going to happen. I saw the phrase over enthusiastic used to describe him and I think that's probably it. Populartajo and fishy look scummy to me. Tajo's a gut thing, fishy's the post you just cited.

Can you elaborate on your gut?

What exactly makes you think that the lammont case is weak?

When I say gut I kind of mean something I can't really articulate, but I'll try. When I read your posts I get a slight feeling that you are looking more for things that will get someone lynched than things that make them scum.

Like I said, to me Lammont reads like a townie sketching out under pressure. People get lynched a lot around here for 'classic scum tells' which can also just be defined as 'bad play', but scum come in many shapes and sizes and are not always so obvious as you would like them to be. I guess Lammont is one of those guys who is too out there and obvious for me to think he's actually scum.

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No, I never said anything about him convincing me. I'm saying you can't claim to have "called out scum" on day 1 unless you also recognize your failure at lynching those scum day 1 as well. If you call player A out as scum but are incapable of lynching them and end up lynching Player B, you have no real claim to fame at calling player A out. The game of mafia isn't about calling people out as scum, it's about proving they are scum and forcing everyone else to help you kill them.

And FYI I didn't lose in LYLO. Being wrong and losing are two different things. I had two super awesome townies watching my back that saved us the game. And yes, Pop had some small hand in it as well.

Kewl. Well you look super fun to play with and so I withdraw my support of your wagon.

facepalm.

Dude you are here to look for scum, not for the most boring player.

This is a good example of the attitude I get from your posting. The Lamont wagon is building and you throw some questions and criticism his way, but not really for stuff that makes him scum, stuff that makes him Doing It Wrong. Sorry if it isn't with the revolver in the conservatory enough for you.

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Wishy washy wagon jumpy. You have been the most reluctant participant in this lynch, and it seems very likely that you're preparing to defend yourself for your participation in a mislynch tomorrow - that is, I believe this post and your general playstyle indicates a knowledge of L_C's alignment.

What? My participation in staying out of a mislynch you mean?

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ugh, IF I MUST.

unvote, vote: populartajo

The issue is not whether or not random bandwagons ever happen. This has been mentioned over and over again but you still seem so incredulous every time someone brings it up, which I see as scummy since you were defensive about it from the beginning. 'Random bandwagons' are what get the game going, and are usually the first point of interest in so many games, I don't really understand why in this particular game they should be disavowed because they happen frequently. In this case, a large portion of the bandwagon was because people liked to say 'solid', which is a fun innocuous way to hop onto a bandwagon and then stick around if it actually takes off seriously. Maybe the guy you're bandwagoning gets 'omg too defensive' because he's taking your random bandwagon seriously, the nerve! So then you can say 'omg overdefensive much? my vote is staying' or in this case 'omg someone defending him get them'. I don't think it's fair or genuine to say that there is no possible scum read to be gleaned from a 'random bandwagon'.

I also liked this little double standard, small but significant. These posts were about 7 hours apart:

I can support both of these wagons:

Lammont and Vino.

Also Fishy is town.

Vote: Vino.

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

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Why dont you like the Vino "wagon"?

Why would you support the Emp and Korlash "wagons"?

Hell, your whole vote on TSS can be explained by defensiveness over your 'random bandwagon'.

Vote: the silent speaker

Surely you can do better than that. Reasons?

Re: Whoever asked about my weak meta defense of Santos, I'm not sure how much I can talk about it, as it involves a game in progress. However, in an ongoing F11, Santos declared an intention to get as many claims as possible day one. He was of course lynched, and turned out to be a townie.

Percy: Are you joking? This is a 25 person game and he had I think 11/13 votes. I disagreed with the read, I stated that I disagreed with it. What is 'wishy washy wagon jumpy' about thinking that someone at L-2 in a 25 person game who is being asked to claim will probably get lynched? I'm not the fucking pope, nobody would have pointed back to my comment in their defense and been able to reasonably say I had absolved them. You seem

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convinced that he's town now that I must be scum for having thought he was town(what an impossible read to make, surely), but as Sensfan mentioned, why does claiming a town role make him more of a townie? Sure it makes him less of an ideal lynch candidate, but how many scum are going to claim scum at l-1? Call this omgus if you want but I'm going to have to

FOS: Percy

. You went for the claim so hard, perhaps it's you that knows something, and maybe you don't like that he mentioned you in getting him outed :^(

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I for one read TSS's mention of 'multiple factions' as merely something that could possibly happen in a large mafia game, not as something he thought was happening.

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Well, at least 2 was what you said, but that was how I interpreted it. That was simply why I didn't think it was a scum tell for you in this game.

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Sorry, I thought what I meant was obvious. When you referred to them as wagons it was okay, when Lamont referred to them as wagons they became "wagons", which implies criticism, and I don't really get where that criticism's coming from.

I don't know when I said that stuff about it being infiltrated by scum, I just think it's scummy to be so adamant that nothing can be gleaned from looking at it.

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EBWOP: That was in response to 355

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One question I have is, could Populartajo get a shot off tonight, and did he? None of the other kills look like they could have been from an atomic superhero so I'm going with no.

The flavor seems to imply that Tajo vigged TSS.

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Did Santos just forget that he softclaimed a power role yesterday?

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My mistake about Santos, it had been implied before that he was just talking about role pm quoting and it kind of slipped my mind, there's not really a reason to push him for clarification in that case.

hasdgfas: The idea I think, is that yesterday Percy decided to hammer Lamont, and now he's flipped cop and today Percy is trying to say he was convinced he had more reason to do so.

It's strange and I'm not really sure what to make of it. Qwints was a townie too, so nobody really knew if one of them was fakeclaiming. It puts a bad taste in my mouth too when somebody backtracks like this, but I have a hard time seeing a scum motivation for making the conscious decision to lie about thinking there was an investigation when there clearly wasn't. It seems completely unnecessary so I'm tempted to take it as a legitimate mistake.

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Stop protecting me hasdgfas I can look out for myself!!!

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Korlash I don't think SC's trying to argue that he's infallible, I think he's trying to argue that Percy is scummy. I don't think a person having confidence in their case necessarily constitutes a flaw in the case. I also don't get where your defense is coming from. It's a good point. If Percy sincerely thought there was a day investigation, wouldn't he have wondered why NOBODY mentioned it?

Hasdgfas: Yes and so you essentially asked me not to act scummy. It just caught me by surprise that you were so concerned about my reputation.

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I have a lot to say about recent posts but this stuck out at me:

I also believed he screwed up something with a nk last night, but I can't talk too much about that without a confirmation from him in a pm.

You would never know or think this if you didn't send him an NK.

Unvote, Vote Mufasa

I demand an explanation.

I'll respond to the other posts later when I have time.

Are you serious here? Why would you jump to that if he's posting it in the thread?

Percy, I couldn't help but notice you kind of flip flopped on me in a huge way. Yesterday you were saying you thought I was scum with role knowledge preparing for L_C's mislynch. Today you're saying L_C flipping town makes you think I'm more likely to be town? Did you forget why you suspected me?

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We've got two cops dead but this is still a big game, I think it's a little early for a massclaim. Especially since we've probably got a decent likelihood of scum with power roles. I don't know why mufasa softclaimed in the thread but I don't really see it as a scum read.

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I'm Gilgamesh Wulfenbach of Girl Genius

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Vino: I was against a roleclaim, not necessarily a flavor claim, though I don't know how helpful I see a flavor claim being

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I hope someone's Jon Arbuckle from the classic Garfield minus Garfield

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I would support a kise lynch over a percy lynch

unvote?

vote: kise

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I'm not familiar with girl genius, but going by your analysis I'll have to tell you that you should drop the nonlead implies definite power role assumption.

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vote: roflcopter

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i'm posting from my phone, i'll be back on a real comp tonight

percy is suffering from a hardcore logic fail, which looks intentional - korlash was not "buddying" with percy, he was defending the ever living shit out of him, doing everything in his power to prevent a percy lynch

for everyone getting their panties in a twist over the difference between if percy -> korlash and if korlash -> percy, of course it goes both waysd, stop being dense

let's please lynch roflcopter

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I think scum are much more likely to go to extremes to defend a townie who they think could be lynched than to defend scum who they think could be lynched. It's a classic move which makes them look adorable after the flip. Your complete rejection of that as a possibility strikes me as scummy.

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people keep saying "if not for ____ I'd ____ rofl___" let's compromise people

I do agree about empking being a good candidate though and I would be down for that.

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Tar: Asking a lot of questions is how I often play, when I feel like I have nothing to jump on.

Empking. Seriously. Read Tar's post. There's a clear main point on rofl.

Sajin: What about the people on the rofl wagon do you dislike?

HH is voting ROFL and I think he is scum. I would perfer a HH wagon over a Percy wagon by far.

Is that still solely based on my role or do you have another reason?

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unvote

I am intrigued by whatever mystical powers you may possess

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on this like jaundice

vote percy

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hurk

unvote vote empking

he's been defending himself while analyzing much more actively than most people in this game, so I don't get what that even means.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Percy flip and a deadline had been mentioned, but I see now that we are in no danger of this day ever ending.

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hurk

unvote vote empking

he's been defending himself while analyzing much more actively than most people in this game, so I don't get what that even means.

Could you explain why that is voteworthy please?

Because um, I think it makes Emp's call for more votes on Percy suspect if his reasoning is false.

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were you reading me in iso or something?

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1. read empking in iso
2. ?????
3. profit

just kidding step 2 is realize empking is scum

I don't care if we massclaim or not.

As far as I can tell, the push against Percy is still that he lied to shirk responsibility for hammering the claimed cop. It's still weak, and the further we've come from it the weaker it looks. It just seems so outlandish that scum would attempt something so elaborate when anyone could have gotten away with hammering LC.

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oh god please no just make a small post

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and hello! hurray for the cure!

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I would love to lynch empking

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Can one truly be overdefensive at an impasse such as this?

Empking!:

Admitting you are wrong is good. As far as I can see, that is totally irrelevant to our current discussion. I have not at any point criticised you for admitting you are wrong.

Where did Percy refuse to read the thread? Please try to give some context to these statements.

The post you quote read like it's an explanation of your opinions on Percy's attacks - but it doesn't really explain your position at all. What do you mean by his "not-looking-for-scum way"?

To which Empking responds:

Tar; If Percy is scum how likely do you think it is that Fishy is one of his buddies?

You directed your question specifically at Tar! Tar never responded! You never followed up on it! Tends to make it look like you never cared what Tar thought and your intentions for asking such a question lay elsewhere!

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Guys for the rest of this game I am exclaiming and that I promise you!

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Vino you are looking fetching this morning!

Empking! Perhaps I should have been more clear! It was regarding 'scaring' fishy!

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I for one am convinced Percy might be Hitler!

Now Tar! How do we get to UNK SK!? I thought the whole thing was a combination of 'must hammer cop!' and 'omg KORLASH!' I love that you have declared me a confirmed townie and everyone buys that but frankly this last post rubs me the wrong way a bit!

Empking! How is it so clear to you that Fishy is scum concerned with a buddy's lynch as opposed to a concerned citizen!? I am glad you brought it up because I would like to see specifically how you have made this distinction!

Does it seem likely to you that scumFishy would chainsaw for scumPercy after what happened to poor ActualScumKorlash!? Is it not more likely that this was just a throwaway comment because you didn't feel like responding to post 1066(The battle of hastings!)!?

Which is my roundabout way of saying fishy asked some relevant questions which I would like to see answered!

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Empking is scum, guys, just check him out in ISO for some scummy goodtimes.

Yup! Look at his rhetoric, Percy didn't just hammer LC, he quickhammered the likely cop! Percy quickhammered! The likely cop! My favorite is when Empking specifically says we should say 'the likely cop' instead of LC because it is 'easier to remember'! Nobody else between qwints' claim and Percy's hammer bears any responsibility for voting the likely cop!

Were we going to glean more information from LC!? This was the second time that day he was at L-1!

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I am talking about Empking there when I say 'his rhetoric'! I am describing why I find Empking's approach to pushing a Percy lynch rather scummy!

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My mistake! Percy quoted what I was referring to, you said that the statements were equivalent and I took 'the first one is easier to remember' to mean you found it preferable! This seemed like BS to me because obviously you know who LC is, and obviously there is quite a leap in what is being discussed when you go from 'he hammered LC' to 'he hammered the likely cop'!

As I said before though, if for all intents and purposes LC can definitively be referred to as 'the likely cop' then wouldn't it follow that literally half of the town is scum!? Why is Tar(not a reflection on you here Tar you are just someone he seems to think holds a certain level of town cred this game!) not scum for voting 'the likely cop'!?

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we have 4 days to turn this shit into delicious shit pie!

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Interesing. Tar why do you assume that FishytheFish was the mafia kill?

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oh fuck, ebwop: *!?

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Interesting. You didn't seem completely satisfied with a scumPercy explanation yesterday, however Empking was brought up a LOT towards the end of that day. Why didn't you comment on Empking then?

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ugh ebwop !?

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No reason not to mass claim today imo, in retrospect I really wish we had done it yesterday and we may as well start immediately today. It's a pretty silly setup and we've already claimed flavor so I don't know that it matters who goes first, but if someone thinks the order is important that's fine by me.

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Vino, Dante of Sheldon, Town Mason

I have no idea what you're implying empking

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Sironigous do you understand what a massclaim is? We are all claiming.

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I am Gilgamesh Wulfenbach, vanilla townie.

I pick Tarhalindur to claim

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whoops! Hasdgfas then

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because we have to lynch him anyway and it makes no difference.

I am somewhat uneasy about Tar, though I don't really have the motivation to entirely vocalize it right now. My concerns almost entirely lie in that he made little to no comment on Empking's scumminess yesterday, which was no less apparent than it is today, and today began things up in arms ready to lynch him. Hasdrdfafkj gave me the same vibe but it struck me more with Tar.

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also I disagree that sajin should be able to pick who hammers him, I think we should 'vote' on it as a town, majority rules just like with a lynch.

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Actually Empking that was exactly my concern. Are those rare enough that it is not worth considering?

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who da scum

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Rofl; Are you scum?

this!

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I was hoping to find a good case to articulate this through, but it never really arose and I figure I should just post this.

I think has, tar, and rofl are probably scum. I am most confident on Tar right now just because I think it is really unlikely that such a thorough player as a townie would suddenly go from not mentioning Empking at all to 'hey guys I suddenly want to lynch this player who will be super easy to get lynched'. Second choice I would vote for rofl just because hasdgdkjfalkj has been giving me slightly better vibes this game. I feel strongly that Fishy was killed in an effort to make the Empking lynch more viable, and that scumEmpking would not be so obvious as to murder a fish. I have no meta or past experience with Empking to back that up but I think he is more deliberate than he makes himself appear.

and without undue adieu

unvote? vote: Tarhalindur

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As I mentioned in a previous post, it bothers me greatly that Tar was apparently not 'convinced' of a Percy lynch, which to me says he is at least slightly more convinced Percy was town(telling the truth) than scum, which to me says he was slightly more convinced Percy was a hider which should have raised suspicions about Empking to be addressed yesterday. Especially as he had become quite a presence in the town, surely support of an alternate wagon (which he should have found as reasonable yesterday as today, where more is at stake) from the one he was not convinced of would have made that alternate wagon a much more viable possibility, and at least would have been a nontrivial effort.

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Assuming that was a response to me, the hider point was unimportant, what was important is that it seems like you have no difficulty convincing yourself Empking is scum, whereas you had some difficulty convincing yourself Percy was scum. So why was Percy the desired lynch? Why was Empking hard to read yesterday but okay to railroad today?

I do not think Empking is necessarily a townie, but I do feel like iffy people really want him to get lynched and that concerns me given our current numbers.

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I can

unvote Vote: DizzyIzzy

. I am fairly sure someone is taking me for a ride and this game is going to end my glorious streak : o

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hello gentlemen I am pretty okay with lynching roflcopter

vote: roflcopter

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me of all people? Good luck folks.