Webcomic Wars Mafia: D7- Be Thankful I'm Not The Author

[Percy]

Also, how do people feel about a massclaim?

[Riceballtail]

Also, how do people feel about a massclaim?

I'm thinking it's probably not a terrible idea.

[Empking]

Why are people not voting Percy?

Maybe its just me but recent posts don't seem to be that useful to the town.

Speaking for myself, I'm not voting Percy because I see no particularly compelling reasons for doing so, and my instincts are firmly that he is town.

More to the point, why are you voting Percy? Your stated reasons aren't exactly coherent-

Vote; Percy

- For trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the town cop.

He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.

He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.

Elan being the only cop would be unlikely.

As the point of making Elan a cop is naive speculation.

Naive speculation is more likely to happen with multiple cops.

This was the "I thought he had a guilty" thing- fair enough. In justifying it though, you said that LC was likely to be cop. You didn't express that when he was being voted for (why not?),

I wasn't here.

The lynch happened quickly after his claim.

and said that the Elan-cop claim made LC more likely to be a cop, which is weak at best. All in all, your positions seem a rather artificial way of justifying your Percy vote. There is also a hugely anti-town tendency to volunteer absolutely no information. When asked whether you thought qwints' claim made LC a more likely cop, you said "yes". Clearly, the person asking wanted you to explain why you took this odd position.

Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.

I also explained when the person wanted further information.

@ anyone with a decent meta of Empking

: in this game, Empking is lurking, and volunteering a minimum of information only when asked direct questions. Is there

A note (particularly to Percy): Empking never asked for the nature of

Tar's

protect. The wording isn't totally clear, but in context it is pretty obvious he was asking for the nature of

Mufasa's

protect. I am still unimpressed with Empking's reasoning for this, which was "because Tar thinks it's right".

Tar has a reputation as a set up breaker. He also has an experience as scum. I doubted it was a scum move and his reputation led me to think he was talking sense.

I agree with everyone that Percy's attacks on Tar are very scummy.

Here, you offer a secondary attack on Percy, in which you appeal to the popular opinion of "everyone". Two problems here; first is that you are just "me-too"ing, and not saying how Percy is being scummy. Second is that "everyone" consists of Tar. And noone else. This is just horrible.

It looked to me on my read that more people were agreeing with him.

[Empking]

I'm fine with MC.

[Sotty7]

I have no issuses with a mass claim at this point.

[SerialClergyman]

I'm anti massclaim for today.

We have a grand candidate for scum sitting right in front of us, close to a lynch. We should lynch today, massclaim tomorrow to give any remaining power roles the chance to survive and do their thing for one more night. The main benefit of a massclaim is to find some cadidates for a lynch, but when we've already got a pearler that is lessened greatly, but the detriment stays just the same.

[Fishythefish]

Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.

That's really beside the point- you offered this explanation after the events. You being right doesn't change the fact that your explanation was contrived.

Now that you realise that not many people were saying Percy was scummy for attacking Tar, do you want to explain why you hold that view?

I support massclaim. I think we can do better than a Percy lynch.

[Head_Honcho]

hurk

unvote vote empking

he's been defending himself while analyzing much more actively than most people in this game, so I don't get what that even means.

Could you explain why that is voteworthy please?

Because um, I think it makes Emp's call for more votes on Percy suspect if his reasoning is false.

[hasdgfas]

hurk

unvote vote empking

he's been defending himself while analyzing much more actively than most people in this game, so I don't get what that even means.

Could you explain why that is voteworthy please?

Because um, I think it makes Emp's call for more votes on Percy suspect if his reasoning is false.

that doesn't even fit with your reason.

[Head_Honcho]

were you reading me in iso or something?

[roflcopter]

i'm also anti massclaim. riceballtail is scum who is still sitting on his vote for me and doing nothing else, yet he's all too happy to nudge along the idea of a massclaim and out any more power roles he can.

now can we please just get this percy lynch done with and move things along?

[Riceballtail]

i'm also anti massclaim. riceballtail is scum who is still sitting on his vote for me and doing nothing else, yet he's all too happy to nudge along the idea of a massclaim and out any more power roles he can.

now can we please just get this percy lynch done with and move things along?

This sounds a lot like "I want everyone off my wagon so I look clean tomorrow." Yes, I'm sitting on my vote for you because you're scum and need to be lynched. You haven't done anything else to make me feel otherwise.

[roflcopter]

[roflcopter]

rice, how does empking's vote for percy influence your view of empking? your view of percy?

if you had to choose today's lynch right now between head honcho, fishy and hasdgfas who would you choose?

do you think sensfan is scum? why or why not?

why do you think a massclaim is "probably not a terrible idea"?

[Percy]

Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.

I also explained when the person wanted further information.

It does not follow that you were right, and you know it. You said qwints' claim made it more likely that L_C was a cop, and you never explained why. Oh, you gave a few vague, incoherent statements (appealing to naive speculation that didn't happen, for instance), but no explanation. You also singled out me as the scummy one, without looking at anyone else who just slammed their votes on L_C after the claim.

No-one understands why qwints' claim made L_C

more

likely to be a cop. You said that I was scummy for not realising this, but

no-one else does either

. You have never explained, and now you're lying about it.

It looked to me on my read that more people were agreeing with him.

Point out one person. Just one. You're just making shit up, aren't you?

[Fishythefish]

V/LA notice

I'm going to have

no access

from this Saturday, 5th, until Monday, the 14th.

@mod

It is possible that night will fall while I have no access. Should I have any night actions, is it acceptable for me to send in night choices now, which might be dependent on deaths and flips?

If I don't get an answer to this in time, and I do have night actions, I'll send them off regardless before I leave.

I'll also do a thorough review of the game, get all my thoughts on all the players up.

Apologies for this long period of no access- I hadn't realised I would have no internet at all. I will catch up fully when it's over.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hi. I'm going to stick around a bit since the mod already needs 2 other replacements, but I can't promise much. Chances of me finishing my reread are about 5%. However, I feel I must point out the following:

Alright, here are my reactions from skimming the first 10 pages.

Page 4-
I don't think Empking's lurking is a sign of scumminess. He's been doing it in other games as well.
I disagree with Percy that meta is bullshit.

Page 5-
I like the Tar/Korlash double team on Lamont page, but I don't think Lamont is scum. I think he's just plain wrong, and he doesn't really understand that yet. It's possible that this attack could be a scum ploy to get him lynched.

Page 6-
I don't understand how Vino can call out four people (Fishy, korlash, rofl, and tajo) for wagoning him for no apparent reason and then conclude that SensFan is scum as a result of those statements.

FoS: Vino

Page 7-
Vino says Cow is defending SensFan when he calls out the pointless vote. Not liking that.
Tar is officially on my shitlist for not only making a "wall o' text" post, but also putting a giant "wall o' text" quote at the END of that post and following it with 3 measly lines of text. Waste of space and a waste of my time.
SerialClergyman hasn't been rubbing me the right way the last couple pages.

Page 8-
Santos makes some retarded post about how he could roleclaim and how it would help scum, and people interpret it as a soft-claim. Let me tell you right now that I have no clue what the fuck he was doing, and he wasn't making a soft-claim at all. Disregard that post.

Page 9-
Pretty much all of Santos' posts on page 9 look like him being an idiot. I disagree with almost everything he said.

Page 10-
Santos does make a somewhat good point here about the wagon on Lamont being BS, but I'm not exactly sure what else he is saying.
Post 235 by TSS seems interesting, especially given the double-team on Lamont from page 5.

FoS: Tarhalindur, Korlash, Vino

Not sure if I think the first two are working together, but I could definitely see one of them as scum playing off the other one.

I'll read more of the thread later, when I get the chance.

8.

Korlash, Flintlocke of Flintlocke's Guide to Azeroth, 2-shot Hitman of the Discontinued Mafia, Electrocuted N2

Owned.

[Mastermind of Sin]

What is the reasoning for a mass claim?

[Fishythefish]

With so many PRs outed and/or dead, it won't do much harm. It might give us a good lynch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

So now that we've lost a bunch of power roles, you want to give the scum more targets by revealing the ones they *don't* know about?

"might give us a good lynch" is not a good enough reason for mass claim. Without a solid game plan of what to do with the information we gain, we should not even be considering mass claim at this point.

[Empking]

Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.

I also explained when the person wanted further information.

It does not follow that you were right, and you know it. You said qwints' claim made it more likely that L_C was a cop, and you never explained why. Oh, you gave a few vague, incoherent statements (appealing to naive speculation that didn't happen, for instance), but no explanation. You also singled out me as the scummy one, without looking at anyone else who just slammed their votes on L_C after the claim.

No-one understands why qwints' claim made L_C

more

likely to be a cop. You said that I was scummy for not realising this, but

no-one else does either

. You have never explained, and now you're lying about it.

Quotes please.

Percy: I say (paraphrase) "I misread people and I thought threy were agreeing with him" and you repond with "Point out where they agreed with him"

You are purposely trolling me right?

Fishy; Elan is a naive character. It follows that people may think he's a naive cop.

The way Percy attacked Tar in his not-looking-for-scum way was scummy in my eyes.

[Gorrad]

Any night actions may be sent in advance.

[Riceballtail]

rice, how does empking's vote for percy influence your view of empking?

I like lynching Empking like I like lynching K7. D1 is a good day for it.

your view of percy?

It doesn't change it whatsoever, because I still think Percy is town.

if you had to choose today's lynch right now between head honcho, fishy and hasdgfas who would you choose?

I would be between fishy or HH. I don't see cowscum, but I could be wrong. Overall, leaning fishy though. I'd still prefer the rofl lynch, which is why my vote has sat on you.

do you think sensfan is scum? why or why not?

I think it's possible, but he really needs to post more that doesn't sound like bickering with santos to tell for sure.

why do you think a massclaim is "probably not a terrible idea"?

Town has nothing to lose at this point. I see scum being defensive of massclaim because they know that they will look more townie for trying to prevent the outing of any more PRs, should they exist since we seem to have lost most of them at this point.

Answers in bold.

[Fishythefish]

Thoughts on everything, pre-V/LA:

1. Hasdgfas

Not a player I’ve thought a great deal about, to be honest. Gut says town weakly.

3. Tzeentch

Has made one post worthy of the name. Was getting bad vibes from Tar for his “lead=vanilla” theory- personally, I can’t see how that theory could ever have been beneficial for scum. The criticism of the theory did not justify the conclusion that Tar was scummy. Also throws out 3 unjustified suspicions. Slight scum read from this post- very little evidence though. Needs replacement.

4. Sotty7 (Slicey)

Slicey said little, and nothing worrying.
Sotty is a supporter of the “thought qwints had a guilty” bit of the Percy wagon. He is coherent on this subject, and this is his primary (and pretty much only?) reason for voting Percy. His comments on me have been reasonable, and a very plausibly genuine read of me. No major concerns, and probably town.

9. Empking

Horrible lurking, and very anti-town attitude to giving opinions, but apparently that’s his meta. I'm inclined to say he's scum- despite his explanations, his reasons for voting Percy seem contrived. In particular, it seems odd to effectively attack Percy for thinking qwints' claim made LC's more likely false when this applies to everyone in the game. Feels like it was cooked up to attack Percy.

12. Mastermind of Sin (Santos)

I really can’t read play like Santos’s very well, but it feels more town than scum, apart from the odd piece of serious active lurking. MoS hasn’t said too much.

13. SerialClergyman

No problems prior to Percy wagon.
Behaviour on Percy wagon:
He really, really like the “qwints’ guilty” reason. I think he gets carried away here. Whether or not you find Percy’s explanation believable, there is no clear lie, as SC says. However, he feels more carried away than faking, until he starts talking about self-voting if he’s wrong. For me, that’s pretty much a lie, and is just screaming that he’s right- supremely unhelpful. If your reasons for lynching are good, you shouldn’t need to promise you will vote yourself to push them through.
Goes on to make valid points about Korlash’s posts about Percy.
I dislike his misrepresentation of me, even if it was in pretty colours.
Overall, leaning town, though too certain about Percy.

15. Head_Honcho

Agree with Tar’s softclear here.

16. Vino

Thought he was scum, but pretty convinced by his claim.

17. roflcopter

Has a pretty convincing claim. Doesn’t have a case on Percy. I’d like to hear one.

18. Sironigous

Getting a scum read here, based mostly off gut. Seriously non-confrontational. When he disagrees, it often comes with a qualification. His posts are pretty superficial, with no obvious attempt to add anything much.

19. Sajin (xRECKONERx)

I’ve given this one recently- he’s scum.

20. Riceballtail (Timeater)

Rice has failed to give a serious analysis to many important issues, preferring instead to sit on a vote for rofl, with one reason (albeit a decent one). Has just today declared a town read on Percy- why? What does he think of any of the case on Percy?
Very possible scum- seems to be studiously avoiding discussion of the Percy wagon, which is clearly the most important feature of the day.

21. Percy

Here, I remain deeply torn. My reread of SC has reminded me of the cases against him- the wall of Korlash is strong stuff, his hider claim is super-convenient for scum, and his claim he thought qwints had a guilty was either a scumslip or a combination of a slightly surprising interpretation of qwints’ post and a rather unfortunately worded hammer post.
Of these points, the Korlash one is the one I like most. I don’t think his claim role is implausible, and nor do I find his actions around the end of day 1/beginning of day 2 incredible as town. Town players do some pretty stupid things (eg. claim doctor for no reason).
Head says scum. Gut screams town. Left foot just wants him dead so I know what alignment he is. Gut is winning atm.
In the (currently unlikely) event Percy survives the day, he should claim his hide again. Gives non-Percy scum factions a target which is beneficial for us and them.

23. SensFan

Needs replacement. Some points from day 1 still stand; in particular, focusing on players who were already under scrutiny, weak reasons and general lack of content.

24. ZazieR

Needs replacement.

25. Tarhalindur

Tentative town read, simply based on large volume with nothing very scummy in it. Here or there reading Tar’s posts I think something’s slightly odd, but no more than you would expect from the sheer amount of content there. If we’re both still alive in a few days I suppose I’ll have to do a thorough reread of him; not something to look forward to

massclaim

We have huge numbers of PRs dead, and one still active PR claimed (though without power). I can’t imagine massclaim will have serious adverse consequences. I see no reason to delay massclaim- and the earlier the better from the point of view of forcing scum into difficult positions.

My vote and night actions during no access

If I have night actions, I am sending them in advance.
My vote remains on Sajin. I was half-planning to switch to Empking, as he is a more realistic lynch atm, but I am much more confident on Sajin. He is on Percy’s wagon with terrible posts; first criticising Percy’s “taking the backseat” (false) and, when pressed on this, “aggressiveness” (not particularly) which “does not match his town meta” (imo false, and certainly unjustified).

[Sironigous]

Seriously non-confrontational.

Is this a scum tell? >.<

.. I've always been posted in mafia like this. XD

Though Fishy, I honestly agree with EXACTLY everything else you've said.

Except for SC and Sotty, which I find scummy purely off gut.

I'd honestly like Sensfan or Sajin lynched this day.