Open 144 - Near-Vanilla - GAME OVER!

[hohum]

/confirm

FUCKING-FIN-ALLY!

[hohum]

/confirm

Are you actually part of this game? I can't seem to find an /in from you in the open game queue and you're not on the player list.

[hohum]

Mod,

Can we start posting until you find his replacement? He isn't going to miss much quite likely.

[hohum]

Yay! That's everyone!

Vote: Hewitt

because he'll probably bring some Metadrama into this game like he did last time I played with him

[hohum]

Do we have to wait for the mod to announce day1 beginning or anything?

I don't think the Mod will mind if we apply a little bit of common sense. If everyone is here there's no more reason to wait. Where's your vote, sum?

[hohum]

Yay! That's everyone!

Vote: Hewitt

because he'll probably bring some Metadrama into this game like he did last time I played with him

Possibly but probably not lol.

Confirm Vote: hewitt

C'mon! You know you want a fight!

[hohum]

I don't think it's truly a raw show about survival of the fittest until the network allows people to die/be killed....

And at least one camera man must be eaten.

Then it's got my attention when I pick up the remote. And only then. lol

In other words you want to turn survivor into... well... MS...

Good call.

[hohum]

I don't think it's truly a raw show about survival of the fittest until the network allows people to die/be killed....

And at least one camera man must be eaten.

Then it's got my attention when I pick up the remote. And only then. lol

In other words you want to turn survivor into... well... MS...

Good call.

[hohum]

sorry for the multi-post. Forums are acting weirdish right now.

[hohum]

OMGUS so early in the morning?

That's it. ODDin found the scum.

/game

I tip my hat to your scum hunting abilities, sir.

[hohum]

P.S. We're off to a slow start.

[hohum]

yeah dejkha? Well I question your.. FACE!

Unvote, Vote: dejkha

eat vote and die, scum.

[hohum]

I like that MadCrawdad guy.

[hohum]

it's becoming rather trendy for peopl not to be too big fans of it.

This hasn't been my experience and I'm in at least 4 running games if not more at any given time. People who think the RVS is useless also think mafia is SUCH SRS BSNS. They're also anti-conformists and the problem with anti-conformists is this: If you consistently move in the opposite direction of the herd, then the herd is still dictating your movements.

Policy-lynch one or two of them fuckers and they'll fall right in line.

[hohum]

P.S. We're off to a slow start.

QFT

Why aren't we at each other's throats yet?

[hohum]

Ah, I see what the problem is. Not everyone has checked in yet.

Definitely scum in that group, methinks. No scum no drama.

[hohum]

Whether or not policy lynches are useful is a matter of debate -- and an endless one at that. Wait until I'm actually targeting someone in specific before jumping down my throat for it.

As for your first comment (the multi-posting comment): People would have to be doing some actual scum hunting in order for me to "appear" active and actually not be contributing. Point in fact, nobody is contributing right now.

Either way I'm glad someone is giving you scum fodder. Someone has to stick their neck out -- might as well be me.

[hohum]

OccamR: AndyTony is just being AndyTony. Everyone scumhunts in their own way. He seems to have the basic principle down though: A) Find sharp stick, B) poke

looking for clever ways to lynch a player by twisting what they say and manufacturing scum out of them

Seems to be what you're doing to me right now. You're making long leaps to "hohum is looking for a policy lynch"

Also,

I'd prefer it if you'd make an effort to lynch scum for us, rather than hunt a lynch

I'd prefer if you'd make an effort to lynch scum for us, instead of sniping at people over game theory.

Why not chill for a minute and give people a chance to show up?

[hohum]

Hush up, theory boy.

[hohum]

[hohum]

ODDin's approach to this game strikes me as particularly strange. Isn't the object to piss someone off to the point where they start dropping tells? Why are you trying to massage his ego?

[hohum]

ODDin: how do YOU usually go about the task of hunting scum then?

[hohum]

Faulty is subjective. Your assumption that faulty is a scum tell is a faulty argument.

If it were up to you to actually start a conversation in order to extract information from someone, how would you go about it?

[hohum]

How is voting someone into dropping scum tells not pressure again?

Vote: ODDin

I think you're just making up excuses now so you don't have to explain why you're not contributing later.

[hohum]

You might not be making excuses but you're definitely splitting hairs over game theory. Let's try actually playing the game, shall we?

[hohum]

I'm trying to move us along. Seriously though, if he wants to get all emotional and claim, or do something else equally as stupid then let him so I can add to my list of reasons to lynch him.

[hohum]

I'm finally here to perhaps follow along with the thread, but I'm going to bed in a few and will be out all day tomorrow .

I will catch up and read back tomorrow night if I get a chance, just don't go lynching me :p

I don't like the fact that you couldn't be bothered to read 5 pages. You could have probably gotten yourself caught up in little more than the amount of time it took you to post that.

[hohum]

There's not much you do like is there, hohum?

I find not liking things to be an effective scum hunting technique.

[hohum]

Or rather I should say that I find disapproval to be an effective scum hunting technique.

[hohum]

A) You're making a big leap from making lists of reasons to lynch people to actually planning their lynch, especially considering I've never actually brought up any negative points on him.

B) You could lump almost anything into theory conversation. You're hunting for reasons to find me scummy because I took some early shots at you.

C) I've never seen anyone post a case and then UNVOTE that person before. That's sort of a strange move. Do you not care who gets lynched and why?

[hohum]

No, I don't have a problem with tossing my vote around. I never do. And yes, I keep running lists of reasons to vote people in EVERY SINGLE GAME I'M IN.

It's called taking notes based on observations.

I'm not judging him based on anything. You seem t have missed this:

especially considering I've never actually brought up any negative points on him.

I don't see ANYONE advocating lynching him right now. All I see is you defending a lynch which is not actually taking place. Your reactionary stance on a potential Zer0 wagon is very scummy, and REEKS of defending.

[hohum]

If you seriously think anyone is going to get anywhere near lynch because of their meta, then the joke is on you, my friend. That doesn't mean we're not allowed to sit here and talk about him while he sits idle refusing to contribute. You're trying to impede a conversation -- that's about all you're doing.

[hohum]

Guys. Please make note of the sig. I will catch up on monday.

[hohum]

I'm back. I will catch up today.

[hohum]

still owe a post. sorry for te absense

[hohum]

I know I've said this before, but I'll catch up shortly.

thanks.

[hohum]

am I really still in this game or has the front page just not been updated yet?

[hohum]

it appears as if I'm still in this game. Doing a reread now!

[hohum]

I think our mod vanished.

[hohum]

this game is pretty fail.

For now though

Unvote

[hohum]

Cephrir: In due time.

You should realize that adding more pages to a game with no mod and only 5 active participants is bad thing to ask replacements to come in and deal with.

You'll get my opinion when I'm damned well ready to post it.

[hohum]

did anyone actually ask you to claim? If nobody asked you to claim what good will it do besides offer a distraction in the form of "let's talk about this claim"

You've made early claims in other games before. Why do you enjoy being the center of attention so much?

[hohum]

I understand that there's an implicit default claim. It's an unspoken claim, and it's unspoken because an ACTUAL claim spurs useless and distracting conversation when done at the wrong time. This notion is clearly evident in his meta.

[hohum]

Oh and the fact that we've been talking about it now in one form or another since the very beginning of the game makes me want to beat the crap out of someone.

[hohum]

Well, I don't honestly give a crap. Either way, I already claimed and we can't change that. So PHBT! Jog-On.

You have a strange attitude. There's no reason for a pro-town player to not want to cooperate with the social norms of this game.

[hohum]

You have a strange attitude. There's no reason for a pro-town player not to want to comply with the social norms of gameplay as conducted in a particular (and in this case well established on MS) manner.

Vote Zer0ph34r

[hohum]

You have a strange attitude. There's no reason for a pro-town player not to want to comply with the social norms of gameplay as conducted in a particular (and in this case well established on MS) manner.

[hohum]

MS was pretty fail when I was composing that message. It obviously posted every draft I went through.

It started as a harshly worded post, with a vote and then I thought about it some more and tried to back it off a great deal. I eventually came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth a vote.

Unvote

but IGMYOU anyways.

[hohum]

EBWOP: IGMEOU

[hohum]

Alduskkel hasn't posted since you did that the first time. Secondly if you jabber incoherently at people like that it might not be clear to them that you're trying to ask a question.

[hohum]

I know you're asking a question, rude ass.

I'm pointing out to you that you've asked it without forming a complete and coherent thought.

It might not be as obvious to others as it is to me.

I'm also pointing out that you've double posted.

[hohum]

Vote: Cephrir

(l-2)

because it seems like a popular thing to do.

Please explain uh, what ever it is you did which caused this wagon to form.

[hohum]

EBWOP I just can't seem to handle the whole tag thing this game (or the preview button for that matter). Fail.

Vote: Cephrir

(l-2)

because it seems like a popular thing to do.

Please explain uh, what ever it is you did which caused this wagon to form.[/quote]

[hohum]

*yawn*

[hohum]

Besides, I wouldn't vote for my partner if he quit. I'd be pissed, but I wouldn't put a vote on my partner.

State the Obvious: you would if you intended to bus.

[hohum]

Jesus god no.

Please kise: go away now.

I can only handle so much fail and this game is already full of it.

[hohum]

It is simply a player suggesting that since the majority believes it, it must be true.

I suggested no such thing. I simply went along with the pack. I don't know if it's true or not but since we're not under deadline and she's in no immediate danger of being lynched right now (the scum would have hammered a long time ago) I figured I would throw my vote around for a little while to provoke reactions out of people.

BTW arguing semantics or resorting to meta (especially the wiki, as some articles are a bit misleading) is in exceedingly poor taste.

[hohum]

EBWOP: resorting to meta to support your own positions

[hohum]

Again:

He was in no danger of being lynched. Your reaction is certainly telling, and I've made a note of it accordingly.

The wiki is intended to be a guide for newbies, not Mafia doctrine. The vast majority of the articles on the wiki are user-maintained, some are out dated and some are just plain wrong.

My vote is my only tool. I will use it as I see fit.

[hohum]

That's not what "L-1" means

You said it best yourself:

put Cephrir at L-1 when we don't have all our replacements

You're talking in absolutes again like it's a rule set in stone. It isn't, so stop it.

There was literally 0 activity in the thread when I voted. It would have been fucking stupid and obvious if scum would have suddenly reappeared at that moment to drop the hammer. If that would have been the case then I certainly wouldn't have had a problem losing Cephrir in order to out scum.

If you're thinking a scum pair between me and Cephrir, let me point out that I unvoted because we didn't (and still don't) have all our replacements here.

Why do you assume that when I take notations of anything that it's bad?
.

[hohum]

In my experience, when someone hammers out of left field, it's scum doing the wielding. There's a well established procedure for bringing a wagon to lynch which the vast majority of players on MS follow to the T. Only newbie scum that make this mistake.

don't think it would have been as obvious as you think. Scum aren't going to just come in here and say "I agree with the case on Cephrir." and hammer him, they're going to post an elaborate post ending with a hammer so that it doesn't look as bad. And let's not forget the WIFOM they could play. ("Well, if it was so scummy then scum wouldn't do it!")

This defies Occam's Razor (paraphrased): The simplest explanation is usually the most correct. There's a fair bit of WIFOM in your own logic in that you're trying to out-guess the scum team.

[hohum]

*facepalm*

Are you being dense on purpose now?

I wanted to see who would bitch about it and why.

I don't know if it's true or not

meaning the case against Cephirr

I figured I would throw my vote around for a little while to provoke reactions out of people.

[hohum]

Unvote, Vote Alduskkel

I'm just going to park my vote here for a little while until you either decide to /in yourself in the newbie queue or you decide to actually read through the wiki which you so desperately cling to for guidance. Hint: Go read the Game Theory and Theory articles.

[hohum]

I didn't post an explanation because nobody asked. I also could give a crap if you like my style of play. I do what works for me.

[hohum]

I'm sorry that may have sounded a bit harsh. Let me clarify something: The whole point of voting the way I do is for pressure and to extract information out of people. Explanation usually renders that pressure moot.

[hohum]

It's also in poor taste to sit there and call someone out on things before the person they're interacting with has had a chance to respond.

[hohum]

I'm talking to both of you, or rather all of you, mostly because I can predict with some certainty what is going to unfold here:

1) Kise is going to come back from V/LA and be a raging homo. I've already had this debate with him once already this week so I'm just going to ignore him and he's going to use that as justification for his vote. I won't ever play with him again.

2) AndyTony is going to come back and tell me how what I'm doing is scummy. When I give him reasons that he's wrong he's going to ignore them and continue saying the same thing over and over again. It's going to degenerate into an argument and then he's going to push for my lynch based on the fact that I'm not answering his questions.

3) Zer0 is going to hop on my bandwagon, because he's an exceedingly poor player. He may also try and hit me over the head with my meta as a retort to this because we were in a game together where I was mislynched as a miller.

Either way this game is made of fail, and we're going to lose to the scum team.

[hohum]

I don't have to replace out. I'll gladly sit here and at least attempt to make an effort.

"Replace out" is a knee-jerk reaction.

[hohum]

hohum, I have never hopped on a wagon in my entire gameplay, what makes you think I will now?

You've never helped bring anyone to lynch before in your ENTIRE time on this site? I find that difficult to believe.

[hohum]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 40#1505240

Looks like a wagon to me and guess what: you're on it.

[hohum]

You're just arguing semantics. Whether you had a reason to vote for him or not is pretty irrelevant.

If you snipe at everyone who votes for not having a good reason you're going to hand the win condition to the scum every time. I don't know where the notion that "BANDWAGONS R EVIL ARGGGH!!" came from, but if every bad vote caught scum every time then this would be a very simple and boring game.

[hohum]

You're right. I'm projecting and I'm too focused on the topic. I apologize.

[hohum]

Why did you claim again?

[hohum]

Also, why did you state that you were putting Cephrir at L-2 when you were putting him at L-1?

I had the vote count wrong in my notes.

[hohum]

I already explained why I voted for Cephrir. Are you sure it's me who can't read?

[hohum]

Also, it is interesting that you believe your actions are going to bring to your lynch, yet you don't find anything wrong about them. I'm assuming this means you think a majority of players here (those who are going to vote for you, that is) are very poor players indeed. Either that, or you just don't give a flying fuck about this game and its outcome, and really couldn't care less if your faction, whatever it is, wins or loses. I'm inclined to believe the second.

Your fear mongering is noted. You need to realize there's more than one strategy for this game. It's theory, not play-it-my-way-or-get-the-fuck-out.

You basically just threatened to lynch me over a theory disagreement.

[hohum]

You did, but it certainly took you some time. In post 675 you're saying that "nobody asked". I'm showing you I very explicitly did ask.

Pay attention, dumbass:

I wanted to see who would bitch about it and why.

[hohum]

I already apologized for projecting. What more do you want from me? Do you want me to get on my knees and beg you for forgiveness?

Why do you keep bringing up shit that's already been explained? Are you that desperate to manufacture suspicion?

The post that I quoted above came BEFORE the one you referenced.

[hohum]

Also you asked me why I didn't justify my vote earlier, not what that justification was. Two COMPLETELY different things there.

And I answered you as soon as I actually saw your post. There was no significant content or time delay in between.

[hohum]

Because I is what I is and that's all that I claim.

Do you think your claim will help or hurt the town?

[hohum]

So if it hurt the town how come you did it?

[hohum]

no.

[hohum]

Not that it matters but I did catch myself acting abnormally douchey last week. I owe you guys an apology.

Having said that: @kise: I think you're in too many games. I'd still prefer if you replaced out of this one.

Other than that, we seem to be back in thread stall mode. Any ideas how to fix that?

[hohum]

lobster: take your time, we're not under deadline currently and this is practically a brand new game anyways with all the replacements.

[hohum]

FoS AndyTony

for trying to push up the deadline. Very very scummy.

[hohum]

Thank you.
Longer games favor town, shorter ones favor scum. There's a whole slew of people in the game now that weren't here before. It's going to take longer than a week for any sort of sensible lynch to take place.

Only scum would want to rush a lynch.

[hohum]

all you guys need to wake the hell up man.

[hohum]

@Mod: a cephrir prod would be lovely.

I also really want to hear from AndyTony but a sufficient amount of time has yet to pass before he needs to be prodded. :\

[hohum]

@AndyTony: If you're going to be too busy you should ask to be replaced or drop one of your other commitments before they come up.

These games (especially one as large as this one) often go on for months, so what's an extra 14 days in the scheme of things?

You're right, players trailing off is dangerous but now we have a responsible mod so we should be able to get by with the normal prod/replace cycle.

As for your point about manufacturing cases, well that's a scum tell. If we catch anyone doing that, feel free to toss a vote on them and pressure for more info.

Cphrir: why do you seem so certain that one of the two of you will be lynched?

[hohum]

why is a sibling claim relevant to the game anyways?

Nothing to see here... Move along... Move along...

[hohum]

not really. It's no different than playing with someone a lot. It gives him some fresh insight, that's all. If they were actually talking about the game then I'd be concerned.

I'd like to remind you that dejkha is no longer in this game so concentrating on this is useless to progress.

I think there's a plateu ahead. Whether it's a week or three weeks, the topic for discussion is Ceph and Khamisa.

You're looking for an excuse to lurk and your focus is too narrow.

[hohum]

I'll wasste all the time I want. As you pointed out not much is going on right now. Discussion is a good thing.

Do you have a problem with me questioning your motives for requesting the deadline get pushed up?

[hohum]

hohum, you still haven't justified your vote for me.

Sure I did. You just don't LIKE what I had to say.

[hohum]

You haven't given any reasons why I'm scummy; you're voting for me because you don't like my play, which I've already explained,

not to mention the fact that your current reason doesn't fall under the definition of "justified."

As to the bolded part, you are correct.

As for the rest, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

[hohum]

I'm not trying to do anything right now besides get some information out of andytony. Now piss off.

[hohum]

Why are you being so defensive? You're nowhere near lynch and I don't see anyone rushing to wagon you.

[hohum]

I'll camp my vote where ever I want. That's why.

Why don't YOU answer MINE? It wasn't rhetorical.

[hohum]

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. You're an idiot.

I'm going to sit here and wait for an answer from andytony. Take it for what you will, but I'm not going to remove my vote, and I'm not going to indulge your pestilence any longer.

[hohum]

Your defensiveness-which-borders-on-narcissism is noted. Keep pushing a case on me. It isn't going to go well for you when I flip and it's your fault because you got me lynched.

[hohum]

Fair enough. I don't have a problem with what you're doing but your timing is very suspect to me. You've had plenty of opportunities now to bitch about the vote, but you waited until I tried to do some scum hunting.

Painting me in a bad light isn't going to save your scum buddy.

[hohum]

It is an important question. Now answer it.

[hohum]

Unvote, Vote AndyTony

Your reaction is a little OMGUSy.

[hohum]

You'd clearly rather tell me how much I suck rather than answer one simple fucking question. Classic OMGUS.

Now answer my question, dickweed.

[hohum]

The wiki is meant as a guide for newbies, not Mafia doctrine. Ultimately the wiki pages are maintained by users and some of them are misleading (including that one). Also having to resort to meta to support your own positions is scummy.

I take your refusal to answer my question as positive acknowledgement that you do indeed have a problem with me questioning your motives. +scum points for you too.

[hohum]

I'm going to go reread both of you in isolation now to see if I can get a better read on you since you're clearly as uncooperative as you say that I am. Who's the hypocrite now?

[hohum]

I answered his question, and kept answering his question for half a page. It's right there for everyone to see and judge for themselves.

[hohum]

either they'll agree with me or him, either way it's there.

[hohum]

I haven't refused to answer a single question. Here's why you're a tool:

I'm not pushing a case on you. In your own words:

Why do you assume that when I take notations of anything that it's bad?

Your own scum partner backed off of his position, yet you're running with it.

Calling Alduskkel and AndyTony now.

[hohum]

You're a hypocrite too bro, because you're doing some of the same things you're accusing me of and saying are scum tells.

[hohum]

[/quote] Please outline your case and evidence supporting your vote
- Please show what evidence indicates scum [/quote]

You're clearly the one not paying attention. WTF have I been talking about for the last 2 pages now?

• Your desire to push up the deadline, scummy
  
• Your accusations of hypocrisy, and your inability to recognize your own hypocrisy
  
• Your refusal to answer simple questions, no matter how stupid they may seem
  
• Your desire to be out of the spotlight

[hohum]

fucked up the quote tags but you get the idea.

[hohum]

yeah just keep repeating the same shit over and over again bro. Maybe the more you say it the truer it becomes. Here, let me try that:

It's raining strippers!

Nothing yet?

Let me try that again

It's raining strippers!

It's raining strippers!

It's raining strippers!

It's raining strippers!

Still nothing.

Here's the crux of the situation:

I answered his question, and kept answering his question for half a page. It's right there for everyone to see and judge for themselves.

I can't help it that neither of you like my justification for the vote. I vote the way I vote because I believe it assists me in scum hunting. You believe differently. This boils down to a game theory debate. I'm not going to change my mind and you aren't going to change yours.

Keep after me the way you are though and it looks like you're trying to contrive a case. Bad, scum! Bad! If I had a newspaper I'd swat you on the nose right now.

[hohum]

that's pretty funny.

See? Humor is a much better way to diffuse people than acting like a douchebag (*cough*andytony*cough*)

It helped me because it generated some conversation. Anything which helps me get a better read on you, or anyone else is productive -- even if it isn't readily apparent why I did it.

[hohum]

Incidentally I would have removed the vote eventually.

I don't REALLY think you're scum, though you do stand out a bit in my notes at the moment mainly because of your reactions.

AndyTony on the other hand is obvscum, and I'm satisfied with my vote for the day.

Moar andytony lynching, please!

[hohum]

Interesting that you picked Alduskel, when AndyTony clearly interests me more.

I don't know what to make of that yet but it does seem noteworthy.

[hohum]

@mod: round of prods would be lovely

[hohum]

Ceph really needs to wake the hell up and contribute any more or I might just go along with the lynch on policy.

[hohum]

I don't see how you guys can say I was being over defensive. hohum voted for me, I defended. That's not over defensiveness, that's a natural reaction to being voted for.

You defended against what? It was a single vote on you. Given the fact that no real reason was given by hohum, nobody else was likely to even follow, right? Why even worry about it?

I didn't think hohum's vote against me was legitimate, so I said so. I wasn't worried about it, I was just criticizing it. If I don't think a vote is warranted, I'll say so, which is exactly what happened here. Just because the vote happened to be on me doesn't mean that I'm being over defensive.

In conclusion, it's not that I was worried about people agreeing with hohum and lynching me, it was that I didn't agree with the reason for hohum's vote, so I spoke up.

Dude you need to shut the hell up because you had yourself back to null-tell in my notes. Now you're just digging a hole for yourself again.

[hohum]

@Mod: you mind prodding cephrir again?

[hohum]

Because I wanted to get your reaction.

[hohum]

Didn't we already have this conversation once, about why I voted you?

[hohum]

I'm just wondering if you plan on rehasing the last two pages, or if I can save some of my sanity and get some work done tonight

[hohum]

You guys need to chill out. The "case" you are trying to make on each other is ridiculous and based more on personal dislike than anything seriously suspicious. I thought we were starting some good discussion on page 30 before your argument happened. Let's hear more from the people who haven't commented on the Ceph or Khamisa wagons yet.

If arguments bother then mafia probably isn't your cup of tea.

How would you suggest we go about scum hunting, and what makes you think that focusing on two people is in any way productive?

[hohum]

I'm not a fan of lynches on policy, hohum - that mentality can still be harmful to the town.

I don't really care what you're a fan of. I've read some of your other games and you're clearly in way over your head.

Arguments are fine if they help to further discussion. Your argument was narrowly focused and was a distraction from what I felt was the start of some decent discussion. If you think AndyTony is scum, then make a case based on objective evidence rather than personal dislike and accusations of OMGUS.

How can I get a read on him if he doesn't answer questions? It's a scumtell. How can I get a read on him if he keeps telling me how much I suck? It's a scum tell.

Why do you insist on defending him? It's a scum tell.

Why don't you stop trying to moderate the discussion? It's as scum tell.

Pushing for a D1 no-lynch, scumtell.

If cephrir were a little more cooperative I'd vote you based on what you've said the last page alone.

I could claim and be lynched, or not claim and still be lynched. Does it really make a difference?

Yeah, I can't really be bothered to try hard in this game because I've known for like twenty something pages that I was going to be the lynch today. It's just a shock that it took you all this long to actually do it. Also, hohum is a douche.

I see you'd rather play games than cooperate. If you don't want to be in this game I'll gladly put you out of your misery. I also asked you a question that I see you refused to answer.

Unvote, Vote Cephrir

[hohum]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The whole bit about pushing back the deadline is also a giant red flag.

Kdub with the chainsaw defense of AndyTony.

[hohum]

Vote AndyTony

because I'm convinced cephrir's wagon was pushed by scum. I don't like the khamisa wagon

[hohum]

Ceph's innocence doesn't dictate Khamisa's guilt.

Let's see what the re-read shows for Ceph's run. Relationships and any red flags

The fact that you're scum and you pushed cephrir's wagon does. You're already setting up your next mislynch.

@ODDin: answers coming shortly.

[hohum]

I like MC's AndyTony case.

More andytony lynching please.

[hohum]

You're quoting the wiki again and regurgitating the same arguments. Are you trying to be an over-defensive distraction to the town?

The wiki is meant as a guide for newbies, not Mafia doctrine. Ultimately the wiki pages are maintained by users and some of them are misleading (including that one). Also having to resort to meta to support your own positions is scummy.

I take your refusal to answer my question as positive acknowledgement that you do indeed have a problem with me questioning your motives. +scum points for you too.

Your reaction to me was *PURE OMGUS*.

Dear Open 144,

We need to lynch andytony now.

Thanks!

[hohum]

more andytony lynching is in order.

[hohum]

You've been ignoring a growing pile of evidence against you for a number of pages now. You either don't get it or don't care. Either way, you need to be lynched.

[hohum]

I don't know why you expect someone's read on you to go back to null or pro town just because you think you've answered a question correctly. That's not the way this game works. I also gave you a chance to take me seriously before and you declined. Instead you basically told me to go pound sand.

I'm personally done allowing you to continue to dominate the thread and steer people towards mislynches. You need to go now.

[hohum]

I'm saying none of the above. He's clearly bitching about having all this negative attention (which he brought on himself)

[hohum]

I still say Alduskkel is likely AT's scum partner. I don't like how he tries to justify his unvote in advance. It makes his entire rant about AT seem contrived like a distancing technique.

[hohum]

This lurker hunt business got us a mislynch before. Khamisa is V/LA and if she doesn't come back soon she needs to be replaced. Lynching someone V/LA is scummy as hell.

[hohum]

This lurker hunt business got us a mislynch before. Khamisa is V/LA and if she doesn't come back soon she needs to be replaced. Lynching someone V/LA is scummy as hell.

Khamisa's V/LA issue is only part of the reason people are voting for her.
Remember?

Fine, but lynching someone V/LA is still in extremely poor taste. What's the harm in leaving her alive so she can respond? Lynching someone *KNOWN* not to be at their keyboard so they can't respond is:

A) rushing a lynch
B) very one-sided.

We're not lyching her today. Sorry.

We should be lynching AT instead.

[hohum]

I'm ignoring questions because it isn't going to help us get andytony lynched. Feel free to ask me again tomorrow.

[hohum]

Wow.

hohum went up to top suspect together with Al, can't really decide whom I suspect more. The reason, obviously, is intentional sabotage of the scumhunt.

I'm going to keep my vote on Al because I don't see a reason to change it. I'm willing to join a wagon on hohum should one arise, though.

I'm not trying to sabotage anyone else's scum hunt. The town is free to do as they wish. Scum hunt all you want, but that's not going to stop me from voicing my opinion that AT is scum, and needs to be lynched.

[hohum]

why haven't we lynched andytony yet?

[hohum]

there's no need to prod me. I've got nothing to say.

Lynch me or lynch andytony.

[hohum]

because I refuse to participate.

We're going on a lurker hunt, right? That's why you want to lynch Khas so bad.

Lynch me too, because I'm basically done at this point.

What's two more mislynches in the sands of time? Doesn't matter much to me anymore because it's clear that this town is too dysfunctional to win.

cheerio.

[hohum]

well I'm not going to allow myself to be replaced.

[hohum]

this lurker hunt is going to cause us to LOSE

I'm VHEIMENTLY OPPOSED TO A KHAS LYNCH.

Andytony should be lynched.

KTHNX BAI

[hohum]

C'MON IM LURKING TOO LETS WASTE MORE MISLYNCHES!!@%(&@!$*(@%

[hohum]

we'll all hold hands together and go off the cliff, sounds like fun to me.

[hohum]

well I'm not going to allow myself to be replaced.

Why not?

Because the lurker wagons are being driven by scum. I'm not going to allow myself to be replaced so that the scum team has another sheep which will happily go along with this nonsense and say nothing.

[hohum]

give up. it's not going to happen.

[hohum]

\o/ posting to avoid a prod.

KTHNXBAI

[hohum]

I'll start posting again when this lurker lynching business stops.

[hohum]

I'll post in a bit.

[hohum]

why haven't we lynched AT yet?

[hohum]

I have nothig to add.

[hohum]

I was wrong. My judgement shouldn't be trusted. AT is right, I should be lynched.

[hohum]

we shouldn't be thinking beyond "Aldul=scum" because when you find scum you lynch them. The next day is for scum hunting.

Vote, Aldul

Never let scum live.

[hohum]

I'm not voting on you because I disagree with your style of play. I'm voting you because I like the case on you.

[hohum]

I'll post later

[hohum]

Yes, but

what

will you post later?

I'll post another "I'll post later" post.

I really think you guys are doing a decent job. I'm hesitant to interfere with that too much at this point.

I like the adul case.

[hohum]

Kise: I'm not posting because I can't trust my reads on anyone, and I like the direction we're headed. You're electing not to post out of some misguided attempt to teach us a lesson. I'm trying to stay out of the way and you're trying to actively sabotage the game.

FoS: kise

[hohum]

@Mod

I'm still voting adul, not self-voting.

Oops, I meant to put down d3x's name but I put down yours. Fixed.

[hohum]

if by "us" you mean "the scum team" then yes, I suppose I am.

[hohum]

why bother? I was wrong on my read on khas, and I was wrong on my read on her wagoneers.

[hohum]

That wasn't a rhetorical question BTW. I would really like to know why kise wants me to post information for him to dissect which admittedly leads to WIFOM.

[hohum]

That wasn't a rhetorical question BTW. I would really like to know why kise wants me to post information for him to dissect which admittedly leads to WIFOM.

Because that was your whole defense of khamisa. You, apparently, believed someone was voting her only because she was a lurker. Thing is, I'm not seeing where someone did this. In other words, I'm saying you tried to sabotage kham's lynch.

you're not seeing it because it isn't there. Did you miss the part where I said my read on Khas and her entire wagon is riddled with WIFOM?

You're quite visibly attempting to derail a productive conversation.

[hohum]

more like I misinterpreted other people's intentions.

Unvote, Vote: Kise

Nice attempt at a strawman there, douchebag.

[hohum]

I'm not going to sit here and trade pot-shots with a troll like kise. I've said my piece already.

DRK's 1499 expresses competing lines of thought. She seems to think everyone is town, whether or not something bad is said about them. That certainly sends up red flags.

Another red flag is this:

@hohum
What do you think of pablito and d3x?

d3x's vote on me reads like a frustrated townie, pablito is a null read; however, with everything else going on right now I find it odd that DRK is attempting to change the subject of conversation and that she picked those two of all people to ask me about.

Top suspects:

Kise
Aldul
DRK

[hohum]

See now that's a valid question.

Better articulated is why it was to the extent that you (hohum) would put your life on the line, and furthermore not even participate (even to solidify your conclusions/prove us wrong or right).

It otherwise strikes me as scummy as you understand.

Because I thought I was right. Lynch me for that if you want to but don't let kise hijack the thread.

[hohum]

It's a useless discussion to have because her wagon initially started as a lurker wagon, and then morphed into what it was. I felt the morph was disingenuous, clearly I was wrong. How many more times would you like me to say I was wrong?

You're obviously going to vote me for my D2 actions no matter what I say, so just STFU and do it. All you're doing right now is going on a fishing expedition so that you can say "oh well, his behavior was scummy anyways" when I flip.

[hohum]

Kdub: I think you should wait to get a better read on chainmain if you're so unsure. Try asking him some direct questions about his game play. Pile a vote onto kise, and let's get lynching.

[hohum]

andytony: fine by me.

[hohum]

this thread needs more kise lynching.

[hohum]

I am not.

[hohum]

@mod: please replace me