Open 122 - Near Vanilla (Game over)

[ac1983fan]

/confirm

[ac1983fan]

Vote ZazieR

Scum know who is scum.

Zazie knows who is scum.

Using the transitive propery (A=B, B=C, A=C), Zazie is scum.

No, that's not the transitive property at all. Scum know who is scum and zazie knows who is scum are not something=something statements.
Math fail.

[ac1983fan]

Vote ZazieR

Scum know who is scum.

Zazie knows who is scum.

Using the transitive propery (A=B, B=C, A=C), Zazie is scum.

No, that's not the transitive property at all. Scum know who is scum and zazie knows who is scum are not something=something statements.
Math fail.

It's the same statement.

Unvote

anyway because it's not productive to vote the Mod.

No, not at all.
For example, Person A is in Group Z and knows who else is in Group Z. Person B knows who is in Group Z as well. However, you cannot conclude that Person B is in Group Z.
For another example, all those in Group Z know all the people in Group Z, and know they are in Group Z. Person Q knows all people in Group Z, and knows that they are in Group Z. Person Q is not necessarily in Group Z, however, person Q could be in Group Z.
However, if the statement was that all those who know all the people in Group Z and know that they are in Group Z, are in Group Z, and that Person H knows all people in Group Z and knows that they are in Group Z, than Person H would be in Group Z by the transitive property.

I know that this has no relevance in game, but your original post is not the transitive property at all, and I feel you should know that.

[ac1983fan]

I find it odd that people are attacking hewitt for not random voting. My first post contained no random vote, why is no one attacking me. Seriously, the random voting stage isn't that important. Sure, it helps get the game started, but as long as people are posting something, the game will eventually get started.

[ac1983fan]

I find it odd that people are attacking hewitt for not random voting. My first post contained no random vote, why is no one attacking me. Seriously, the random voting stage isn't that important. Sure, it helps get the game started, but as long as people are posting something, the game will eventually get started.

He's not being attacked just for that, at least not by me. Read my previous few posts.

Ah, I was reading through quickly and didn't notice this:

Oh please you're just looking for an excuse to attack me after the way I attacked you last game. Get over yourself.

You really think I'm that petty, or that you're worth stalking from game to game? Get real. I think it's you that has the ego problem.

BTW resorting to ad-hom attacks is also a scum tell.

Which I do agree with you on that post. Resorting to insults, if not a scumtell, is anti-town, because it doesn't help the town get more info.

fos: hewitt

[ac1983fan]

Vote Rin Twisted

Scum found.

WTH? how does Rin's post make her scum?

major fos:kmd

[ac1983fan]

Vote Rin Twisted

Scum found.

WTH? how does Rin's post make her scum?

major fos:kmd

The whole point in asking for scum meta is similar to the point of the RVS. The idea with asking for scum meta is that scum are going to be uncomfortable with the idea while townies will be glad to share. Rin came out against it.

Do you believe otherwise? You FoS'd me. Do you think I am scum? Why am I not worthy of a vote?

Why should anyone need to share meta? If you really want to get meta on someone, do it yourself. And anyway, its WIFOMy to think that someone willing to post their scum meta is town.
I think claiming to have "scum found" without providing a reason is rather scummy. However, since I started playing mafia again a while ago, I've been trying to be rather careful with my vote. I'm not willing to vote you, yet...

[ac1983fan]

And there's no reason to be careful with a vote on a player who is at...L-6?

That's exactly what the people in one of my other games have telling me.
It's my vote, I can be as careful as I want with it.

[ac1983fan]

And there's no reason to be careful with a vote on a player who is at...L-6?

That's exactly what the people in one of my other games have telling me.
It's my vote, I can be as careful as I want with it.

What is the worst that can come from an early vote?

Hint: The answer isn't 5 more people quick vote before you have time to unvote.

I don't know, and I don't really care what you think about my play style. If there's something about voting cautiously that's anti-town, let me know, and I'll kindly adjust my playstyle accordingly. However, I've never seen voting cautiously hurt a town.

[ac1983fan]

And there's no reason to be careful with a vote on a player who is at...L-6?

That's exactly what the people in one of my other games have telling me.
It's my vote, I can be as careful as I want with it.

What is the worst that can come from an early vote?

Hint: The answer isn't 5 more people quick vote before you have time to unvote.

I don't know, and I don't really care what you think about my play style. If there's something about voting cautiously that's anti-town, let me know, and I'll kindly adjust my playstyle accordingly. However, I've never seen voting cautiously hurt a town.

It fails the "if everybody did this, could we lynch scum?" test. It hurts if people go back and look at your votes to get a read on you. It doesn't apply enough pressure to who you think is suspicious. And there is nothing that shows a more firm stance than voting/unvoting.

Off the top of my head, that's about it.

I don't quite understand the first bit. If people really need a read on me, they should read my whole post. And anyway, I conviently put my fos's in bold, so they should stand out anyway. And obviously it did apply enough pressure, because it got you to explain your reasoning. And how firm of a stance can you have on page 3?

[ac1983fan]

Dej, I'd have something to say to you if that game was completed. =/

ac,

If this ends up being an extremely active game where we all have too many posts to read through, votes are a good place to look for a read on a player. Especially in vote counts at the end of a day.

Also, FoS is much weaker than a vote.

And the FoS didn't "get" me to explain anything. Asking a question would have been enough.

On page 3, you don't have a guarantee on anything, but you can firmly believe something. You have that as soon as you make a serious, non-RVS vote. This is true because as long as the vote is there, everyone knows that that's where your suspicion lies until you unvote. Basically, a vote says much more than an FoS.

I guess that's just where we disagree on the usage of a vote, then. I will use my vote when I fully believe somebody should be lynched for their actions. I will use an fos if someone's action's are suspicious. I do not currently fully believe you should be lynched, I only find you suspicious.

[ac1983fan]

You said that anyone wanting meta should find it on their own. Why does it hurt to talk about how you play as scum?

I just don't really see the point of making other people's play easier. I mean, I highly doubt that meta is even necessary. I don't feel the need for it. But, I can see some of your point in asking for it, I just don't think people who don't wish to post their scum meta are automatically scum.
I personally have no real scum meta, since the only completed games I have were from back when I posted like
this:

unvote vote:ac1983fan
SOMEONE HAMMAH!

so yeah, but seriously, meta isn't necessary, players should not be forced to post it.

[ac1983fan]

ac, no, players shouldn't be "forced" to give their meta from games where they were scum, but they should have no problem talking about how they play as scum.

...Well, I guess it all goes back to jumping to conclusions in terms of Rin Twisted. Rin obviously doesn't feel that she should post her meta. If you want meta on her, go look it up yourself. You just shouldn't jump to conclusions like that. At least that's what I think.

[ac1983fan]

Post 48: How is boring pro-town? Or does boring in this context refers to the random voting stage of the game?

Boring translates to stretching the game out. The longer a game goes on the more the balance of the game swings to town. Information is a good thing, lots of it is better. Only scum would want a short/exciting/fast paced game.

Seriously, these are all questions which can be answered by ICs in newbie games. I suggest you play in a few.

There's a difference between stretching a game out time-wise and post-wise. More posts is good, but more posts which are "I'm here" responses from prod's "Nothing much happening" help the scum. If their is very little discussion going on, the game is boring, and a lack of discussion is well-understood to be anti-town. More discussion makes the game exciting, and more discussion is good for the town. Therefore, Boring is not good for the town. Boring does not lead to information. Boring leads to lurking.

[ac1983fan]

Dejkha, mafia is no place for personal attacks. Everybody has a different way of playing. While you may not agree with Empking's playstyle, and you are allowed to vote him because of that, you shouldn't not call him unintelligent.

[ac1983fan]

PRUFT

what is PRUFT?
I can only hypothesis that the ft=for truth...

[ac1983fan]

Ask KMD. He knows...

... And why can't you just tell me? You must know, since you used it.

[ac1983fan]

Empking, don't make definitive statements like you did. The only way you can really know that is if you were scum.

[ac1983fan]

Way to reiterate what everyone else is already saying. Got any original thoughts floating around up there in your head that you'd like to share with us?

Thanks.

Posting what I think, even if it's already been said, is better than not posting anything.

[ac1983fan]

Actually posting to make yourself look busy is scummier than lurking. We're 10 pages into the day. Surely there must be SOMETHING you can comment on.

I'm posting when I have something to say. I'm not "making myself look busy", and I don't know how you got this impression. Of course, it doesn't help that this game got 10 pages of posts in less that four days, so I haven't been able to keep up with every little event. But, I digress, I've looked over the thread, and noticed the following things:

-People have mentioned AWA's total lack of game-relevant posts, but nobody's said anything about kreriov's almost total lack of game relevant posts.
-mufasa has said he's busy, but still, it seems like he knows what's going on, cause he's said things like "good discussion", so i wonder why he wouldn't comment on what's going on. Unless he's scum trying to get away with lurking by making posts which look somewhat
-Ztife comes off as scummy in this exchange:

Imho scums would likely lie low and try to draw attention away from them, discussions are always pro-town, and right now zwet and empking are looking kinda lying low to me.

Ztife, how exactly am I lying low?<snip>

Also, doesn't it seems like your activity suddenly went up, and suddenly you post a big post after I accused you of lying low? Feels almost too defensive imho.

Ztife, How can you accuse Zwet of being too defensive? accusing anybody of something they haven't done will likely elicet a defensive response.

[ac1983fan]

Empking, you seem very certain that Rin is scum, yet your vote is on dejkha. That doesn't make much sense to me.

[ac1983fan]

Zwet had posted at least once or twice everyday, I fail to see how that is lying low, yet your insistence that zwet is lying low, makes me almost want to vote you.

fos: Ztife

.

[ac1983fan]

Okay, Zwet, while I do agree with you on your actions not being defensive, now you're just being unhelpful.

[ac1983fan]

Empking, you said dejkha made a case against you that was a lie. Please point it out, I saw no such case.

[ac1983fan]

Ac:

including OMGUS voting]

You voted with OMGUS motivations. Dejkha was not lying.

[ac1983fan]

Way to plagiarize my logic...

It's not plagiarizing unles he used your words exactly.

[ac1983fan]

ac, don't be like empking with his OMGUS technicality crap please. You know what I mean.

Don't back down. You are right. It technically IS plagiarism.

having similar ideas is not plagiarism.

STOP! NO MORE OF THESE USELESS DIVERGENCeS.

Zwet, what are you doing? You were posting well, and then you just started posting useless crap like "No." and other random useless junk. So don't say stop the useless diversions unless you are going to provide something tat is not a useless diversion.

[ac1983fan]

Not really sure there is much explaining that needs to be done, I've been reading, and I just haven't felt that Empking has been a helpful voice in these chats, and with that said I wouldn't mind seeing him leave because scum or no scum no matter what he is a disturbance. Srry for not giving any reason but I do feel the reason is pretty self explanatory in this case.

Always explain your vote. Never assume that your reason is self-explanatory.

[ac1983fan]

Lynch me then I really have nothing to be afraid of, Lynching me will just result in a loss of a town member

Good lord, you don't even have any votes against you and you're already going for appeals to emotion? Jeez.

[ac1983fan]

L-1. Be careful if you want to hammer.
I personally think that Empking's playstyle makes him impossible to read.
However, I'll lynch him for having an anti-town playstyle if we end up getting a deadline and no alternative lynches are proposed.

[ac1983fan]

I'm pretty sure I've said in this game, if by some miracle I'm not on his wagon and he hits L-1, I'd lynch him. But since I thought that I'd always be on his wagon, I didn't think it would happen, so I wanna make sure most people don't mind me hammering before I actually do.

And the way it looks, since I also think it was in this game that I said this, I said Emp probably wouldn't help town by claiming even if he would die and take a took at how right I was.

Why would you vote me?

Because you're unhelpful.
Because you ask stupid questions.
Because when people say something about you, you always try to make them look scummy.
Because when people explain the reasons why they would vote you, you don't seem to listen.
Because you refuse to claim at L-1.
Because you hardly ever listen to anybody's opinion but your own.

Seriously, people have said their reasons for supporting your lynch several times. If you don't get it by now, you never will.

[ac1983fan]

I don't listen to wrong opinions - I listen to right ones though

You know what? you are honestly, the most arrogant mafia player I've ever played with. At first, I thought people were exaggerating about you. I guess I was wrong. You're playstyle is incredibly anti-town, because you assume you're right, you aren't claiming when you are at l-1, meaning that somebody might lynch you, thinking you are a power role. I'm so freaking ready to hammer. Please, are you a powerole? cause that is the only reason I'd want to keep you alive at this point.

[ac1983fan]

You know what?

vote: Empking

I think you are the most anti-town player in the game, and your refusal to budge on anything makes it impossible for us to try and find actual scum; if you are scum, it's just a bonus.

[ac1983fan]

L+1 then?

[ac1983fan]

Sorry, just got back from V/LA today... coulda sworn I had posted in the thread... ah well, I'll read & post this evening.

[ac1983fan]

The following people need to post content in this game if they are not scum:

ac1983fan

Sorry, I'm just not really getting into this game. Things seem to have stalled since the night. I'm feeling that at least two of the scum were on the empking lynch, since scum would be stupid. I guess I'll need to put a little more thought into this game... I'll try to post a little more constructively ASAP.

[ac1983fan]

@ac1983--so you are actively following this game (since you answered request for content in mere 30 minutes or so), and yet you haven't hardly posted Day 2. How have things stalled since night?

You were on the Emp lynch, why?

When can we expect this 'constructive posting?

The night took forever. Since then, posts have been mostly about the empking lynch, which I don't really think I can add any more to the analysis of.

I was on the emp lynch because I view his playstyle as incredibly anti-town, and it was apparant that he was going to be lynched around the time of my hammer anyway.

Whenever I feel confident enough to say I think someone is scum. Unfortunately, I just haven't really been able to do that in this game. When a D1 lynch is a policy lynch, especially in a near-vanilla setup, than its harder to make day two decisions. But there wasn't much else being discussed d1.

I'm feeling that at least two of the scum were on the empking lynch, since scum would be stupid.

Really...

This implies that voting Emp was stupid and scum must have done it.

But..

You know what?

vote: Empking

I think you are the most anti-town player in the game, and your refusal to budge on anything makes it impossible for us to try and find actual scum; if you are scum, it's just a bonus.

You voted Emp. Not even for being scum. In fact, you said him being scum would be a bonus.

No, that implies that scum would be stupid for not taking advantage of an oppurtunity to lynch a townie and come out almost scot-free. Town and scum both have reasons to be on the lynch.

[ac1983fan]

The night took forever. Since then, posts have been mostly about the empking lynch, which I don't really think I can add any more to the analysis of.

Why can't you add anything about the emp lynch? Do you view the discussions with dej, krer, kmd, spyrex and myself as useless?

Sorry, I didn't fully read everything posted while I was V/LA. I don't think dejhka is scummy at all, I don't really understand the case on him.

However, mufasa is scummy as hell, for lurking, his post where he didn't provide reasons for a vote, etc.

vote:mufasa

[ac1983fan]

unvote

Well, that's certainly an interesting twist....

[ac1983fan]

unvote

Well, that's certainly an interesting twist....

Got anything else to say?

I believe Mufasa's claim. It makes sense that the mafia would try to kill you, arguably the most pro-town player in this game.

[ac1983fan]

What about your suspicions right now?

I'm unsure, I'll have to reread.

[ac1983fan]

Too bad -

I am the Doctor

.

Alright, either one of two things:
A)Mufasa is scum trying to out the doctor, which he has succeeded in
B)Maadneet is scum CC'ing to try and get the doctor lynched when he can't be protected by the jailkeeper.
I think its the latter. Mufasa's claim seems genuine, and I don't think he was scum trying to out a doctor.

vote:maadneet

But that's mostly just based off of gut feeling.

[ac1983fan]

I can't freaking believe that mufasa-townie claimed doc... More likely than not, I think he did it just cause he was frustrated and didn't want to get lynched. But, thats just my opinion.

Vote: dejkha

Read his last post to find out why!

That smells horribly of obvOMGUS... of course, you are zwet...

[ac1983fan]

How many of the lurkers do you feel could be scum? Exactly what are some kind of info you are looking for by lynching one of them?

Of the lurkers I think ac1983fan has the highest probability of being scum, but I also don't know his playstyle very well.

Blarg, I admit to have posting a lot less in this game than in others. I guess I'll just have to not sign up for another near-vanilla game. But, I haven't really been intentionally lurking, its just that everytime I try to read through the thread and make a post, I get distracted by something.

I find the current VP-dej-zwet thing going on interesting. While zwet's play is scummy as a playstyle, I think its too late in the game to be policy lynching, and I'm not really convinced zwet is actually scum.

[ac1983fan]

I find the current VP-dej-zwet thing going on interesting.

Can you elaborate on this?

I believe I did in the post you are quoting from...

[ac1983fan]

Ok, well, I think the points VP is bringing up against dejkha and dejkha's cases-that-aren't-really-cases against VP and Zwet makes me wanna do this:

vote: dejkha

I think you are very scummy.

[ac1983fan]

Oops.

Unvote

Seriously. Do you think that a player that considers me stupid, useless, and horrible wouldn't nightkill me quick?

nah, he'd keep you alive so he could make the town waste a lynch on you.

[ac1983fan]

And look at it this way. We had Mufasa, Maad, Zwet and Ac who have been lurking and haven't done much to help

I'm not trying to lurk, I'm just posting what I think when I think it.

[ac1983fan]

23?

Date of Birth: 24 Feb 1990

2009 - 1990 = ?
(it's not 23, if you want a hint)

But anyway, I think if spyrex's vote isn't a hammer, one should please come up soon. Is it just me or have we not had a votecount in a while.

[ac1983fan]

Actually strike my last scum list.


Scum threesome: Zwet, VP, and Ac. Forgot all about you. Now

that

should be kinky.

Oh good lord, the last thing I want to do is have sex with a magic hat and some creepy guy saying "if i did it"....

Alright, maybe I'd do the magic hat...

But seriously, that "scum threesome" is as far from the truth as you could possibly get. I think Zwet is town but somewhat unhelpful and VP is probably the most pro-town player in the game. You on the other hand....

Hewitt: I think dejkha for creating distractions by angering zwet, and because my gut also thinks he is scum. Also he has seemingly lied about not being able to find "jk" in one of VP's post, and is continually attacking VP who I think is as townie as one can be.

[ac1983fan]

Ac1983- Zero hunting. Lots of off topic discussion.. math, theory, etc. Lurking. Opportunistic voting on Dej.

There's nothing here I haven't defended myself against before. How can you be sure dejkha isn't just screwing with you by making you think he'd be more likely to self-hammer as scum, than to not self-hammer and make himself look town.
Camn, why do you think dej's not-self-hammering makes him town? The rest of his behavior is scummy as hell, one little thing like that shouldn't change your entire opinion on a guy...

[ac1983fan]

Lol, it's just a game, it's not like I'm literally putting a gun to my head. I don't need balls to do it. I'll just wait until hewitt steps in and if he's ok with it, then I'll do it, unless he wants to himself.

Well, you should be doing whatever is best for your side to win. Self-hammering generally isn't.

Camn, why did you ignore my question?
Dejkha, what gives you the impression I tend to scumhunt more in other games? I don't think my playstyle in this game has been particularly different than in any other of my games. Maybe a little more lurkish, but I guess I'm just not having fun with this game.

[ac1983fan]

Cuz I only had 2 minutes.

Do you have time to answer it now?

[ac1983fan]

Dejkha, what gives you the impression I tend to scumhunt more in other games?

Pretty much because I noticed you scumhunted more in other games. What else could give me that impression?

Actually, most of the games I've played in people have accused me of not scumhunting enough, regardless of my alignment...

[ac1983fan]

Can you a link of that where you were town ac?

I only have one game completed since I restarted playing mafia (I don't think you can count ones from back when I did absolutely NO scumhunting regardless of my alignment) , so I can't link to anything exact... But I can link to this, open 118, where I believe, in addition to the post I linked, people either stated or hinted that I wasn't providing enough analysis/scumhunting.

[ac1983fan]

Actually, most of the games I've played in people have accused me of not scumhunting enough, regardless of my alignment...

I've played/playing with you in 2 games other than this. I don't remember anyone making that claim in the ones I was in with you.

Well, then I guess your memory may not be perfect...

What was the question?

Camn, why do you think dej's not-self-hammering makes him town? The rest of his behavior is scummy as hell, one little thing like that shouldn't change your entire opinion on a guy...

[ac1983fan]

Well, then I guess your memory may not be perfect...

Or maybe you need an excuse as to why you're not playing the same.

If it is not the same in this game, it is solely because I'm not really getting into this game.

[ac1983fan]

I'm not really getting into this game.

Are you GOING to get into this game... ?

I'm trying goddammit.

[ac1983fan]

OK, lets call today

Happy Analysis Day!

First of all, I am frankly surprised that Dejkha flipped town. I felt pretty strongly that he was scum, especially with his behavior as we got closer to a lynch.

Here's how I feel on all the players currently in the game:
camn - Slightly scummy, but that's mostly just gut feeling. I'll have to reread in isolation...
Maadneet - If I didn't believe his doc claim, I'd be lynching him at this point.
zwetschenwasser - Zwet is zwet, but I don't get scum vibes from him...
Kreriov - I'm getting more of a bizarre aura from him, neither scummy nor towny, because of his seeming insistance that one of VP or him is scum, which just confuses the crap out of me.
SpyreX - Leaning town
Ztife - Leaning town, although he seemed to post about as much as I did yesterday, yet nobody really called him out on it...
hewitt - Neutral, I'll need to reread him in isolation to get an accurate read.
VP Baltar - Most pro-town player. Although he was a strong proponent of the dejkha lynch, his actions have seemed more like those of a well intentioned townie over scum trying to puppeteer mislynches.

The answer was simple.

Furious scum self-hammer when they think they are about to get lynched. My read on Dej was that, if he were scum, he would have self hammered.

He didn't, so he looked pretty town to me....not that I was going to waste any time defending him.
SO>>>>
I flipped the wagon, and I was thinking that IF dej was scum, any scum would very quickly follow me onto a town-wagon.
Alternatively, if he were town, NO scum would follow me onto a scum-wagon.

This gambit has almost convinced me of Ac1983's being scum.

That gambit fails epically. First of all, self-hammering or not doesn't have to do with the player's alignment as much as the player themselves. Secondly, why would I follow you onto another wagon I didn't agree with? By your logic, everybody who didn't change their vote is scum. And anyway, you hammered dej, so you must've still thought he was scum?

[ac1983fan]

SO>>>>
I flipped the wagon, and I was thinking that IF dej was scum,

any scum

would very quickly

follow

me onto a town-wagon.
Alternatively, if he were town,

NO scum

would

follow

me onto a scum-wagon.

This gambit has almost convinced me of Ac1983's being scum.

That gambit fails epically. First of all, self-hammering or not doesn't have to do with the player's alignment as much as the player themselves. Secondly, why would

I follow

you onto another wagon I didn't agree with? By your logic, everybody who didn't change their vote is scum. And anyway, you hammered dej, so you must've still thought he was scum?

I liked your last post Ac.

Especially the part where you claim scum.

Would you like to re-read, and perhaps adjust your position?
My gambit doesn't say anything about anyone who may or may not have flipped wagons with me.
It says something about YOU. The target of my wagon-flip.

...
Then I'm not really understanding your wagon-flip gambit, and it is even more carp in my mind. I guess I misinterpreted your gambit to mean "people who were still on dejkha when he flipped town were scum". It still doesn't make sense, in my mind, because no scum would ever be that obvious to move to another lynch when one was almost certainly going to happen anyway. So yeah, I really have no clue what the hell you were supposed to mean by your gambit. it fails.

[ac1983fan]

What, BALTAR continuing to ask distracting and misleading questions? Surely you jest Hewitt. The idea that Baltar could have had a real wagon form on him yesterday is pretty remote. Its a straw man argument for him to say that it seemed inevitable that the lynch was down to him or Dejkha.

...
What sort of questions should baltar be asking?

[ac1983fan]

Ones that are not distracting and misleading? I mean really, questioning Hewitt because he WASN'T voting for Dejkha or Baltar and voting for someone he actually thought was scum? And the reason Baltar gives is a straw man argument? I just do not see the reason for this EXCEPT to confuse and distract. To try and get Hewitt to post something so VP can then pick it apart and ask yet more meaningless and distracting questions all under the guise of 'I'm a good townie doing scumhunting'. What complete crap.

Which isn't to say there are not valid questions to ask Hewitt. How about this one.

If a question creates more info for the town, its not distracting.

[ac1983fan]

Question for everyone:

Given there are actually scum reading this game.....
.......why didn't any of them follow me over to an ac1983 wagon?

Alright, now that I get the point of your gambit, I know for sure that it is almost total crap. Basically, almost nobody, scum or town, is going to switch wagons easily once one is almost going to lead to a lynch. I think your gambit fails epically, because you cannot determine someone's alignment through that gambit. You cannot really protect how scum would act.

[ac1983fan]

Is it just me, or does kreriov get scummier and scummier with every post he makes?
Seriously, literally every time I read a post of his, I start thinking he's more likely to be scum.

Also,

mod, I think you've got a mistake in the votecount - I believe camn is voting Ztife, not Ztife voting Ztife.

[ac1983fan]

Ac and Spyrex, could you give your thoughts on Kreriov's whole 'I should just be lynched now' comments from yesterday? Do you think scum would do that?

I don't think town or scum should or would do that, definitely not one that's playing well. It's a nulltell/WIFOM IMO.

Is it just me, or does kreriov get scummier and scummier with every post he makes?
Seriously, literally every time I read a post of his, I start thinking he's more likely to be scum.

What the hell is this. "Hey I'm prepping up to join the bandwagon without giving any concrete reason for so."

I liked your case on Kre (which I coulda sworn I mentioned in that post...) and kreiov's accusations against VP are total BS, and he gives me that gut feeling that he is scum.

This is part and parcel of a larger issue.

Empking(7) - hohum, Kreriov, Ztife, mufasa, hewitt,

ac1983fan

, maadneet.
dejkha(6) - VP Baltar,

ac1983fan

, zwetschenwasser, SpyreX, Ztife, camn

And the reasons for them:

You know what? vote: Empking
I think you are the most anti-town player in the game, and your refusal to budge on anything makes it impossible for us to try and find actual scum; if you are scum, it's just a bonus.

Ok, well, I think the points VP is bringing up against dejkha and dejkha's cases-that-aren't-really-cases against VP and Zwet makes me wanna do this:
vote: dejkha
I think you are very scummy.

Dejkha looked scummy as hell on D2; I don't like repeating things that have already been said.

vote:kreriov

[ac1983fan]

Ac, what is it about this game that is preventing you from getting involved? In other games you are much more active and ask questions that build cases. Here you just seem to pop, say you are kind of bored, and place a vote when the day starts drawing toward a lynch.

I've never built a case (never intentionally) to my knowledge...
Regardless, almost everybody in this game posts walls of text, so there is not much original content I can post; plus walls of text intimidate me a little and the vanilla nature of the game kinda bores me.
But regardless, all of kreiov's posts seem to suffer from way to obvious scum thinking.
Rule #1 of being scum - Never try to put suspicion on your attacker.
That just makes you look scummy as hell.

vote:kreiov

.

[ac1983fan]

- who you think is the likely scum trio
- what do you think of the possibility of a vp, hewitt and zwet combo?

-IMO, Kreriov is almost certainly scum, and with him, possibly camn just based off of the fact that her supposed gambit smells like "I had no real reason for doing this, so I'll BS a reason by the next game day", and probably... well, you Ztife as the third, because frankly, your posts seem to be rather long and infrequent, with very little original content amoung them.
-Less than 2%.

[ac1983fan]

Claim : Jailkeeper

unvote

OK, that is completely unprompted, and is also total crap.

I am the jailkeeper

I jailkept dejkha n1, mostly randomly but also because I found him slightly scummy.
I jailkept Maadneet n2, because I thought the maf would likely try and pull a kill on the doc.
Lastly, I jailkept kreriov last night, because after rereading d2, I thought he was the scummiest.
Thanks for outing yourself scum. Granted, your probably doing this to get the real jailkeeper (moi) to claim, but now we get to lynch a guranteed scum.

vote:camn

DIESCUMDIE.

[ac1983fan]

And I claimed to see what would happen.
Because I have lost hope in this game.

And I hoped that some scum would foolishly counterclaim thinking to get me lynched. Most of the people here don't know about my proclivity for breadcrumbing.

Ac1983 is either lying town (only in this game would I even consider this!) or lying scum, but I am the JK.

Or you are lying scum, which is what you are.

[ac1983fan]

ACFAN.. did you crumb anything?

crumbing is stupid and unesseccary, IMO, why would I want scum to be able to identify me more easily?

And anyway, I wouldn't know how to breadcrumb at all.

But regardless, you are scum, I am the real jailkeeper, you got what you wanted, a JK claim so now your scumbuddies can get rid of me, now please die.

[ac1983fan]

ok, so camn, who do you believe the scum to be then.

ac, same question.

camn, kreriov and ztife.
Same list as before, except I know camn is scum.

[ac1983fan]

@ Acfan:

I am the real jailkeeper, you got what you wanted, a JK claim so now your scumbuddies can get rid of me, now please die.

If you really thought I was scum, and that this is what I wanted, why would you do it? Why would you counterclaim if you think this?

Cause how else am I gonna convince everyone to go from kreriov (who is much scummier than you in general) to you with no apparant reason. Lynching you is a guaranteed scum lynch, and cc'ing is the only way to really get you lynched over kreriov.

[ac1983fan]

ac1983fan(4) - Ztife, camn, VP Baltar, Spyrex
camn(3) – Kreriov, ac1983fan, zwetschenwasser
(9 alive, 5 to lynch)

Thank you Spyrex.
That is L-1, acfan. If you are town, true-claim or die.

Maadnet? Are you here? Feel free to hammer.
I am counting on your protection tonight. I will try and guess which scum they will send after you.

Hewitt, you can hammer, too.. but I would rather be sure that Maad checks in before you do.........

haha you are hilarious scum.
Seriously guys, please, vote for camn, he is scum.... i really don't want us to lose our Jailkeeper, moi.

[ac1983fan]

Sorry Ztife and hewitt, I really failed you guys...