Open 122 - Near Vanilla (Game over)

[hewitt]

@ Hewitt

I don't have enough time now, I will need to look back to see what hewitt has thought about Dej. If you disagree with Camn's actions, why are you not putting Dej on L-1? Why are you just going back and forth and staying in a neutral position or with weak attacks? Bussing?

Because I'm not convinced at all that dejkha is scum. I don't think the actions he's taken so far in this game are actions he would take as scum. Am I ruling him out as scum? No, of course not nobody is ruled out as scum in my book. Today has been very interesting and everybody's kind of leveling off at around the same scum level to me for completely different reasons.

[VP Baltar]

Today has been very interesting and everybody's kind of leveling off at around the same scum level to me for completely different reasons.

Well that is very non-position to take. If you had to decide right now, who do you believe today's lynch should be?

[hewitt]

Probably where my vote is for reasons stated. If not Spyrex then I would have to say Kreriov. I don't like this whole, hey don't go after X go after myself. It's like he's purposely deflecting the argument off dejkha onto himself because I think he thinks you won't follow through with the case on him. I also think he was generally unhelpful earlier in the game. Again, all reasons stated in my after-vote analysis, still apply with him.

[VP Baltar]

My thing with Krer though is that it is very confusing why he as scum would try and deflect attention off of dej (if dej were to be town) and ask for his own lynch. Why wouldn't he just come in now and hammer away?

[dejkha]

I think they call it reverse psychology.

[hewitt]

Again, I don't know. I think if everybody in this game have made decisions, actions, or cases that would be weird if they were scum. Perhaps because he knows this might confirm him as scum and he would not want to be tomorrow's lynch. That is, as long as dejkha is town.

[ac1983fan]

Actually, most of the games I've played in people have accused me of not scumhunting enough, regardless of my alignment...

I've played/playing with you in 2 games other than this. I don't remember anyone making that claim in the ones I was in with you.

Well, then I guess your memory may not be perfect...

What was the question?

Camn, why do you think dej's not-self-hammering makes him town? The rest of his behavior is scummy as hell, one little thing like that shouldn't change your entire opinion on a guy...

[dejkha]

Well, then I guess your memory may not be perfect...

Or maybe you need an excuse as to why you're not playing the same.

[VP Baltar]

looks to me like you have no reason not to answer that question now camn, I would like to hear it as well.

[Kreriov]

I will say it again. Baltar is scum. For the reasons stated. It doesn't matter if Dejkha is town or scum, once lynched, I will be next. Hell, you pretty much admit that Hewitt, so what is the problem lynching me know? I just don't get it. I am not trying to move the argument off Dejkha. The case against Dejkha will still be there. But when I flip town, the entire interaction with Baltar changes, does it not? If Baltar is lying about me, he must be lying about alot of things. I am saying lynch me first to verify everything I have said and expose his lies.

[hewitt]

I have said before that I think there's a high possibility yourself/dejkha are in a scumteam or VP/camn are in a scumteam along with an interchangeable third (Spyrex, ac1983, zwets).

[hewitt]

If you flip town I think it's very probable VP is scum.

[Kreriov]

So figure out which is which. Lynch me then you can lynch VP. When I flip town, that does not clear Dejkha, but it sure implicates Baltar.

[VP Baltar]

If Baltar is lying about me, he must be lying about alot of things. I am saying lynch me first to verify everything I have said and expose his lies.

How am I lying about you? You act like I have some inside information about the game. I stated my opinions on your actions and very actively pursued them, that is not an issue of truth and lying. That's called being town.

I will ask you once again (I think this is the third or fourth time now), what evidence do you have either you or I

has

to be scum?

[ac1983fan]

Well, then I guess your memory may not be perfect...

Or maybe you need an excuse as to why you're not playing the same.

If it is not the same in this game, it is solely because I'm not really getting into this game.

[dejkha]

If it is not the same in this game, it is solely because I'm not really getting into this game.

Obviously I'm not gonna leave that to chance and neither should anyone else.

[hewitt]

VP do not act like it's unfathomable for us to believe you're scum. You very well could have inside information, we don't know that.

[VP Baltar]

That isn't really the point, hewitt. Sure I could be scum, anyone could. The point is that Kreriov said that either he or I has to be scum. He is saying that by lynching him and him flipping town it somehow would prove I'm scum. That makes no sense and I have repeatedly asked him to explain why that would be the case, which doesn't seem to yield any results.

[zwetschenwasser]

Camn, stop ignoring me and give me a GOOD reason why you unvoted dejkha.

[camn]

Camn, stop ignoring me and give me a GOOD reason why you unvoted dejkha.

THAT I will answer....
I didn't want him to hammer while I was asleep.
Plus, I like to see how people act when someone is at L-1, and everyone ELSE seemed asleep.
PLUS, reasons of my own.
Convince me he's scum. I will hammer if you do.

I'm not really getting into this game.

Are you GOING to get into this game... ?

[camn]

looks to me like you have no reason not to answer that question now camn, I would like to hear it as well.

PS...
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Ask me again tomorrow. But don't expect much, I am playing by gut now.

[camn]

PPS!

If dej flips town, it almost CONFIRMS VP as TOWN... by means of the KMD-Gambit confirmation.

On the other hand, if Dej flips scum, it is a null-tell. VP could be bussing.

[hewitt]

What is a Kmd-Gambit confirmation?

[camn]

KMD-town made up some insane reason to push a case on a town-camn, which he called the KMD-Gambit.
He continued to push it, despite all reason and logic.
Camn soft-clears KMD, because scum would know that camn was town, and thus NOT push a bonzo-case.

Camn correctly IDs all scum. We lose anyway.

Good old times

The KMD-gambit falls into obscurity, since it only caught town.
However, KMD-Gambit CONFIRMATION still holds, given today's site-meta.


ps

UNVOTE
VOTE: DEJKHA

I bet he is scum, after all.
AS IF I am waiting on Zwet.

[hewitt]

I don't know about everybody else, but I would never hold a theory like that in a completely different game. I do not think it's smart to compare games like that.