Open 118 - Follow The Cop ... Or Not (Game Over) before 748

[Kmd4390]

conforming.

Am I doing it right?

[Kmd4390]

Vote Blakadder

because I pegged you Day 1 in Mini 677.

FoS afatchic

(That game is STILL ongoing somehow...)

[Kmd4390]

FoS afatchic

(That game is STILL ongoing somehow...)

Not 677. I'm sure you know which I meant though.

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anyways...

Vote Kmd4390

for following me into nearly every game i play

Coincidence. Probably because we both play a lot of open games. The only player I stalk isn't here.

[Kmd4390]

The only player I stalk isn't here.

But she's reading the game apparently.

[Kmd4390]

That's no reason to vote.

FoS Slicey

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That's no reason to vote.

FoS Slicey

That's a joke, right?

Do you think it was a joke?

Unvote. Vote: Empking

because of your urge to start the discussion, which means that you want to start lynching as soon as possible.

I'd argue the opposite. Town wants to get out of the RVS.

Unvote, Vote Magus_Stragus

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Unvote. Vote: Empking

because of your urge to start the discussion, which means that you want to start lynching as soon as possible.

I'd argue the opposite. Town wants to get out of the RVS.

Unvote, Vote Magus_Stragus

Which is, what I beleive, Magnus Stragnus was doing here. So Magnus's vote could be considered both pro-town and anti-town.

No, Magus was jokevoting Emp for doing what I consider a protown action: starting real discussion. Way to defend a player on Page 2 though.

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Unvote. Vote: Empking

because of your urge to start the discussion, which means that you want to start lynching as soon as possible.

I'd argue the opposite. Town wants to get out of the RVS.

Unvote, Vote Magus_Stragus

Which is, what I beleive, Magnus Stragnus was doing here. So Magnus's vote could be considered both pro-town and anti-town.

No, Magus was jokevoting Emp for doing what I consider a protown action: starting real discussion. Way to defend a player on Page 2 though.

I wasn't defending him, I was simply stating my opinion on his actions, and how, in one way, it is creating discussion to get us out of the jokevoting stage, which is generally considered protown behavoir, however, your interpretation is another way the post could be intended. I was basically trying to point out a little bit of irony in his post and your reaction to it. I guess I should've made it clearer.
also,

unvote

.

The way I see it, Emp made a statement that Magnus saw as an attempt to get us out of the RVS. Magnus called that scummy. I call it a more protown action, and Magnus doing the exact opposite scummy.

Do you think Magnus was trying to start discussion or make a joke statement? Do you think Magnus's statement was protown?

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First of all, it's Magus, not Magnus. Second, I didn't find scummy anything, I was just making a joke vote for Emp's seriousness. Any roads, I guess that this has already turned serious enough, so...

Unvote

My bad on the name.

Unvote

What are your thoughts on recent posts by ac and myself?

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Vote:KMD

, since I think you're the only other person I've actually seen in scumchat in this game.

I've never been in scumchat before...

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. . .Then why are you on my Aim list then? HUH?! HUH!?!?!

No idea.

Well, first, I agree with you regarding that townies want the RVS to end as soon as possible to have more time for serious discussion. However, the RVS is important, as it lets us start with the game properly, and rushing it when we have not yet something to start with is not good, imo.

Why wait if there is something to jump on? The RVS serves it's purpose when someone can jump on something seriously. Then reactions blow up from that. After that, well, you have a serious mafia game.

Also, ac is right: he wasn't defending me, just stating his opinion on the ironically fact that your answer of my post created.

Looked like a defense to me.

Hmm... Kmd already has three votes? Sounds like a bandwagon to me.

Are 3 votes scummy? Do you think that it puts me in danger of being jokelynched by 3 more votes? If one of the votes on me was your own, would you unvote? Why or why not?

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Seriously? Are we really going to have and discuss random votes and bandwagons based entirely on random votes in *2* games I'm in?

Something wrong with that?

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@Kmd: Your three votes might seem random, but there's also a probability that mafia (not all of them, though), it's behind of one of those votes. Just saying that, though. After my first game, I've learnt that being/putting someone half-way from the total votes needed to lynch is a bad thing.

You're right that the probability goes up with each vote. But how do you distinguish which come from scum, if any, when all three are random/joke votes?

[Kmd4390]

BlakAdder and J Assassin have been prodded for not posting since confirmations.

J Assassin requested replacement in another game.

[Kmd4390]

Shadow Knight, three random votes on a person isn't that bad. >_>

What are your thoughts on his reaction to it?

[Kmd4390]

Sorry, totally forgot this game existed.
Already read up, and I have to say a lot of people are taking the random voting stage way too seriously. I'll have to think for a bit, but my vote is probably going to land on one of these people.

How is being serious in what some may still consider the RVS scummy?

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It's not terribly scummy, it's just that it seems like they're trying to make things that aren't scummy seem scummy.

How else will the game get started?

If someone else does something worthy of my vote, I'll gladly switch my vote.

You aren't voting.

[Kmd4390]

I agree with afat.

Vote BlakAdder

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there's also a chance that it's an early bandgwagon pushed by the mafia (probably just one of them).

So one of the three is possibly scum? That's very close to the odds of any one player in this game being scum. How do you distinguish who, if anyone, on the wagon is scum?

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with Kmd at L-3, voting for him becomes difficult (not that I'm saying that we should all vote for him, just saying that in case of a vote against him), due to the likely assumption of such vote being a bandwagon

Why do you care if you get called out for bandwagoning?

You're right. However, if you see, no person that voted for you have withdrawn his vote. Why would they want to have a person at L-3, if the all of those votes were done in the rvs?

Why wouldn't they? What's so scary about L-3?

Are you saying deliberately misconstruing what people are saying is okay?

I'm saying that jumping on small things to get a game started is ok. You've seen me do it.

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Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.

Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?

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If I was another player and I saw 'ZEEnon' not take off his random vote and perhaps the amount of votes needed for a lynch accumulated, I would definitely be on him.

Putting aside the fact that that wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't look at the people who quicklynched before you COULD remove your random vote? (I love it when I can use the same word twice in a row and still have it be grammatically correct. Even better when I can do it twice in one sentence.)

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If I was another player and I saw 'ZEEnon' not take off his random vote and perhaps the amount of votes needed for a lynch accumulated, I would definitely be on him.

Putting aside the fact that that wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't look at the people who

quicklynched

before you COULD remove your random vote? (I love it when I can use the same word twice in a row and still have it be grammatically correct. Even better when I can do it twice in one sentence.)

Who mentioned anything about a quicklynch?

Well assuming a lynch happens, it's either a quicklynch or he's dumb enough to keep his jokevote on for as long as it usually takes for a lynch.

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Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.

Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?

No and no, but what is a possible good reason of keeping a vote from the rvs on someone? Keeping a random vote on someone is just silly...

I usually leave my random vote until I have a real reason to vote. I vote for real pretty quickly though.

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First, if a person gets called for a bandwagon he didn't want to follow (let's say, because he really have reasons to vote for someone), he might look scummy in front of the town, even if he's a town and his reasons were good enough to vote for that person (although in the end such person resulted a townie). The point is not the fear of being lynched, but the fear that the town will loss another member, hence, giving more advantage to mafia. This is a game where townies have to do everything in order to the town to win, and put yourself in a wrong spot (and hence giving an advantage to the mafia) due to someone's else actions is not a good thing. Second, I've already said why I don't like halfway to the lynching when there's no good reasons for it.

Gonna steal a line from Caboose here.

A well reasoned vote is NOT a scumtell.

If you think someone is scum, you have no reason not to vote them. And in the RVS, you have no reason not to vote ANYONE unless it's a hammer.

[Kmd4390]

Mod

, can I request an extension?

[Kmd4390]

Deadline: Extend

[Kmd4390]

I'll admit that I have no case, but when I read that, I can't help but think scum backing off a wagon that's just not going to happen.

So lacking a better choice...

Stupidest reason ever.

Vote: Sshin

- Just gut.

What triggered your gut?

Reading his posts.

Have you looked into it any more than that?

[Kmd4390]

Reading his posts.

Have you looked into it any more than that?

No.

Why?

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No.

Why?

Two posts isn't enough to build a case.

Look under Magus. It's the same person if I understood the Mod correctly.

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Look under Magus. It's the same person if I understood the Mod correctly.

This was somewhat annoying to read. Just sayin'.

Sorry.
I'll build a case on Shin.

I apologize for the quote pyramid as well.

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I'll build a case on Shin.

I apologize for the quote pyramid as well.

That doesn't seem very sincere.

What should I do to make it sincere?

And how's that case coming?

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That doesn't seem very sincere.

What should I do to make it sincere?

And how's that case coming?

Coming along nicely. I'll post it tomorrow.

Quoting for reference so no one forgets.

I have a social life too, you know. - Mod.

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Coming along nicely. I'll post it tomorrow.

Quoting for reference so no one forgets.

Don't you trust me?

Yeah. I just wanted to make sure I remembered. Just in case.

Anyway, I'm curious to see Shin's response.

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Don't you trust me?

Yeah. I just wanted to make sure I remembered. Just in case.

Anyway, I'm curious to see Shin's response.

God, I thought I hadn't posted it when I saw your quote.

Thought you hadn't posted it? Sorry, I'm a little confused what you mean by that.

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Anyway, I'm curious to see Shin's response.

God, I thought I hadn't posted it when I saw your quote.

Thought you hadn't posted it? Sorry, I'm a little confused what you mean by that.

Oh. Never mind. I took it out because i only quoted what I was responding to.

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Thought you hadn't posted it? Sorry, I'm a little confused what you mean by that.

Oh. Never mind. I took it out because i only quoted what I was responding to.

Yeah, I presumed you did that.

Yeah. It's easier. Sorry if it confused you.

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Yeah, I presumed you did that.

Yeah. It's easier. Sorry if it confused you.

It didn't really confuse me as such.

Ok. I know I get scared if I make a case and think I lost it.

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I agree with Empking.

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Shin, you've posted twice can you please defend yourself.

Defend me against what? You have done nothing else but to create a useless quote pyramid.

Did you actually read the posts?

Here is a vote history. It's automatically generated, so please let me know if there are any errors.

....

What information exactly do you take from the vote history?

You don't lay votes just to lay them out of the rvs and then look for a excuse for that vote. That's zetta weird. But, what's also weirder is that Kmd didn't noticed such thing. He just agreed with that, which suggest me partnership between them.

You've never seen a player lay a vote and then build a case? I know I've done it. The thought process behind that is usually, "My gut says X is scummy. I should see why." That's how most cases end up being formed.

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Tuber, I see your points against Shin, but you misquoted me in that last post. GIEFF wrote that, not me.

[Kmd4390]

Shin should respond first.

[Kmd4390]

I need to catch up. I spent all my time in Marathon Day games. I have all afternoon, so I'll catch up after class.

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I, like Shin, believe that for a 3-player bandwagon, it is more likely than not that at least one of the three is mafia. Just from a statistical standpoint, the probability that three randomly-chosen players are all town is 8/11*7/10*6/9 = 34%. So the probability that three rnadom players contain 1 or more scum is 1 - 34% =

66%

. And this number is completely ignoring things like mafia liking to bandwagon, and early bandwagons more likely to be on townies than on mafia, so I think the true chance that at least one of the three on the early wagon was mafia is more like 70 or 75%.

Tell me why it's more likely that there is scum in the 3 players who random voted me than any other group of 3 players. (I've lost this post twice already. )

Empking, if yyou find it fishy that people unvote because we aren't in the random vote stage, why did you ignore it when Magus did it? It looks like kmd did the same thing, but Magus actually said the unvote was because "things were getting serious," and I don't have to make assumptions about intent.

I unvoted because I was satisfied with Shin's response, not because the RVS was over. I don't do that. I unvote a random vote when there is a better reason to vote.

The fact that Empking's case was

hidden

in a quote pyramid (which I didn't take the time to read completely, either) makes me more suspicious of Empking than of Shin.

Really? Hidden? It was posted right there. Why is it any harder to read than any other post?

I guess I'm more of a follower than a leader. I have a hard time making up cases on my own, but when somebody else makes a case, I can usually determine if I agree or disagree.

Hypothetical scenario.

5 players. 1 scum. 2 players all out attack each other. You and 2 others are "followers". You lynch one of the 2 attacking each other. The other is NK'd. You are left with 2 players who won't do anything until you make a move. Do you see why being a "follower" hurts there?

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So, ifipostmycasewritinglikethiswouldyoureaditpossiblynot. See what I mean?

I'dreaditbecauseIreadeverythingasIknowitisprotowntodoso.

There are 5 days until the deadline. If nobody wants to unvote Shin and switch to another candidate (I recommend ac1983fan), then I think Shin should claim within 2 days; otherwise, we'll run out of time to see, digest, and respond to a claim.

ac is a better lynch than shin.

Unvote, Vote ac

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KMD: Do you think making BS defences of other players is scummy?

Depends on the specific "BS defense".

[Kmd4390]

KMD: Do you think making BS defences of other players is scummy?

Depends on the specific "BS defense".

Why is that?

If you mean a player defending another who they think is town and have logical reasons, and you call it BS because you disagree, then no. It's not scummy.

If you mean a player defending another player and it being completely screwed up and making no sense, then yeah. They are probably defending for reasons other than thinking the player is town which is scummy.

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KMD: Do you think making BS defences of other players is scummy?

Depends on the specific "BS defense".

Why is that?

If you mean a player defending another who they think is town and have logical reasons, and you call it BS because you disagree, then no. It's not scummy.

If you mean a player defending another player and it being completely screwed up and making no sense, then yeah. They are probably defending for reasons other than thinking the player is town which is scummy.

OK

Is "its perfectly OK to not read posts" a logical reason?

That specific sentence, no.

Did you see something in this game that implied that? If so, quote it.

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I didn't read the whole thing.

Coupled with:

which is why I believe Shin when she says she missed it

,

KMD: Do you find you miss posts if they're quoted? What if they're not quoted on the page the post was made?

Hmm. I feel that both players should have had no problem reading that or at least skimming enough to see either your case or some mention of the fact that you were planning to make a case.

Personally, I don't miss things like that, no.

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I wish the posts hadn't been edited so you realize how difficult it was to pick out the one post that had any relevance among the many that did not.

It really isn't that hard.

GIEFF: It was the one longer than a line. Do you find it difficult to find relatively large posts amidst a lot of little ones?

This. Exactly this.

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But for the other players, it wasn't that easy.

I see no reason why it shouldn't be. Quoting is a convenient tool. The whole conversation is lumped together and there is no confusion as far as what we were responding to. I quote in almost every post I make. Is that scummy and/or hard to read?

I didn't read Emp's "case" because I simply did not see it. Is that scummy?

I think you should have read it.

But for me, you were the ones that were trying to hide that and make it harder to read.

1) It's not hard to read.
2) Trying to hide it? Why do you think we were trying to hide the conversation? And if we were, how would that benefit scum?

But, you know what else is scummy? That kind of partnership you are having between yourselves.

We are currently in 7 games together if I count correctly. We have also been online around the same time. I can see where you think there is a connection, but it's not exclusive to this game. I won't go into detail though considering ongoing games and all.

It's like you two are mafia who are backing up together to get a bandwagon on me

Tell me who I am voting. Quote the post where I vote that player and repeat what I've just quoted here.

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I see no reason why it shouldn't be. Quoting is a convenient tool. The whole conversation is lumped together and there is no confusion as far as what we were responding to. I quote in almost every post I make. Is that scummy and/or hard to read?

Are you seriously trying to claim that your intent in creating that quote pyramid was to limit confusion?

Really?

Quoting in general limits confusion. Just because I didn't take the time to eliminate everything doesn't change anything.

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Your eyes have to move back and forth a bunch, and you have to scroll way down to read everything.

You were not trying to limit confusion. Quoting in limits confusion (to an extent, which you by FAR exceeded), but I am talking about your specific behavior on pages 6 and 7.

Can you really not see that if you weren't involved in creating that pyramid, it would be quite difficult to read?

I quote to limit confusion. If I didn't quote, people would ask, "Who were you directing that at?" and, "when did I say that?"

Just because I don't always take the time to take out some things changes that? Because I'm not seeing it.

And no, I don't think it's difficult to read.

Anyway, you say Emp is distracting us near a deadline. Is your questioning me about quoting related to scumhunting in any way?

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You are claiming that Shin is lying when she says she didn't see Empking's post.

I am? Prove it.

You're claiming we are BOTH lying, and that the quote-pyramid should not have been hard to read.

I'm not saying you are lying. But yeah, I am saying it

should

have been no problem reading it.

And I think it's scummy to claim (read: LIE) that your quote pyramid was intended to "limit confusion." That is what you're claiming, right? That is just about objectively false. You were quoting because it was funny.

Misrep. I quote to limit confusion. That is any time I post and there are quotes. It limits confusion to include posts. Being lazy and not removing things isn't what I am referring to when I say I'm limiting confusion. It's quoting in general.

See sig. He should be able to let me post tomorrow

You know, my sig could say the same thing. More yesterday than today though. I've actually managed to pay attention to MS almost as much as talking to you.

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It looks to me like you are implying Shin really did read it. If you are not, why else would you say Shin should have read it? Am I misunderstanding your intent?

I never said that "Shin is lying when she says she didn't see Empking's post." Those are your words. It's very possible that she didn't see it. But that means she didn't read it. I think she should have read it. Not necessarily scummy, but she

should

have read it.

This is ironic, because you are taking it out of its original context, the very thing you claim you are trying to avoid. You said you quote to limit confusion in response to Shin saying the quote pyramid was difficult to read. I took that to mean that you were arguing against this, saying that the quoting made the conversation EASIER to follow, and that this was your intent, when your intent was very obviously nothing of the sort.

Read carefullly. Quoting-in-general-limits-confusion. I am not talking about any specific quote. I am talking about ALL quotes in ANY game. Hell, this could apply for a thread in general discussion.

No, you didn't come out and say "My quote pyramid was intended to help the town follow the conversation." But you very much implied it, and it is very much untrue.

Are you even reading what I'm saying?

And if you weren't trying to imply that the quote pyramid was intended to help the town follow the conversation, why would you make a general argument about quoting helping to provide context?

Because people didn't like the quote pyramid for some reason. I explained that it happened because I quote for convenience.

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For your own convenience, or for the town's convenience when trying to read what you are saying?

Both, but mostly the town.

I'm not going to sit here and repeat myself screaming at the top of my lungs just before a deadline. I've responded to your points. You've told me I'm wrong. I've repeated myself. You've told me I'm wrong. It ends now unless you have something new to add, ok?

GIEFF, I was not around when the quote pyramid was made. I skipped over most of it until I saw something that was more than one line long. You should have at least skimmed through it, as should Shin.

^This. There was mention of a case 4-5 times along with the case itself. If you at least skimmed, you'd have seen that.

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if ZazieR hasn't started playing within 24 hours I will replace

him

as well.

Zazie is pretty obviously female.

And see her sig. I expect that she'll be posting tomorrow. (Not tonight as it's already 12:15 AM where she is.)

[Kmd4390]

I will not discuss this further unless another player thinks I need to.

Couldn't hurt.

[Kmd4390]

KMD, can you please answer this question?

KMD, do you honestly think that the quote mountain made things easier to read?

I think the quoting in general did, yes. The amount of quotes specifically shouldn't have made it any easier OR harder IMO.

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*Sigh*

It upset people, so I apologized.

And I'm not saying the pyramid itself made anything easier. I can probably quote myself at least 10 times saying that it's quoting in general that makes things easier and the pyramid is the effect of not removing everything.

How many times do you plan on making me repeat this? Scum are probably loving the distraction.

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*Sigh*

It upset people, so I apologized.

And I'm not saying the pyramid itself made anything easier. I can probably quote myself at least 10 times saying that it's quoting in general that makes things easier and the pyramid is the effect of not removing everything.

How many times do you plan on making me repeat this? Scum are probably loving the distraction.

But that's not the question.
The question is not whether quotes help, it's whether the quote pyramid helped.

Yes to the first. No to the second.

Clear yet?

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Drake, you've suspected me in every game we've played together. Right away too. And I don't think I've been scum in any of them.

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There are 5 days until the deadline. If nobody wants to unvote Shin and switch to another candidate (I recommend ac1983fan), then I think Shin should claim within 2 days; otherwise, we'll run out of time to see, digest, and respond to a claim.

If you think I'm lying, vote me. If not, stop distracting the town with this.

We have 4 days until the deadline.

This is meaningless. Quote pyramids are hard to read. I saw a bunch of meaningless crap, and didn't want to scroll all the way down through it, as I assumed it was ALL meaningless crap. When you said you made a case, I did wade through all the crap to find the one relevant post. I brought it to Shin's attention, and she answered it.

As in I don't think you are genuinely curious in the answer, and are trying to distract the town with 4 days to deadline.

We are close to deadline, and I don't want Shin to get lynched for bogus reasons.

Deadline is no longer fast-approaching. It is, and continues to be, 4 days away.

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things doesn't belong.

I'll give you a hint. All of these quotes came when the deadline was believed to be 4-5 days away.

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Ignore that last post. I thought it was a contradiction, but looked closer.

[Kmd4390]

This may be nitpicky, but I feel like you looked at the role PMs in the OP with the "drunken" part. I completely forget flavor details in my Role PMs.

[Kmd4390]

Reasonably scummy. Not a power role. I'm V/LA starting tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote Shin

[Kmd4390]

See my sig.

I'll catch up next week.

Not unvoting because Shin is a good lynch.

[Kmd4390]

I'm back. I'll find Shin's buddies tomorrow. Slicey kill seems weird to me too. I need to catch up.

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If you knew Magus was jokevoting, why did you vote her in the first place? Did Magus/Shin's response tell you anything you didn't know? If not, why did it satisfy you enough to unvote?

Early in the game, I jump on the first thing I see. After the response, I didn't see anything genuinely scummy at that point.

And kmd said ac1983fan was a better lynch than Shin, but hardly mentioned him before or after that, or explained why he thought ac was a better lynch. Kmd wanted me and Empking to keep arguing with each other after I was trying to end it, and had hardly a word to say about Shin OR ac1983fan as the town tried to figure out the best lynch candidate. Kmd only voted Shin very late, when it was pretty clear that there was no way to avoid a Shin lynch.

Yes, I thought AC was a better lynch.

Yes, I wanted to see if you or Emp was onto something or not and I said more discussion "couldn't hurt".

I voted Shin because we knew Shin wasn't a power role and I was going V/LA.

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Also, kmd, why did you think I was a better lynch than shin? I know that I'm not the first person to ask this, but you haven't directly stated why.

I know it's lame, but I don't remember.

I think you were too cautious.

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I can't see how a pro-town player would state that Person A is a better lynch than Person B for no particular reasons. Kmd, you claim that you don't remember your reasons, which I find hard to believe.

Firstly, a pro-town player would have some sort of reasons for thinking that ac is a better lynch, especially when comparing ac with Shin.

Secondly, he (the imaginary pro-town player) wouldn't forget them (the reasons) just like that.

1) I had reasons.
2) I went V/LA from 13 games I was playing, 2 I was modding, 2-3 mish mash games I was playing, and 1 mish mash game I am modding and still need to bring back, for a week. I forgot about anything on MS and went on vacation. I'll see if I can remember, but right now I don't.

[Kmd4390]

kmd hasn't posted in 7 days.

Can you prod these three posters, Nameless?

I'm here. Need to catch up and get back into this game. Sorry.

[Kmd4390]

The doc should definetely not claim unless forced to. Doc, come forth if you DIDN'T protect SK, otherwise don't claim.

I agree with this. If the doc DIDN'T protect SK, Tuber is scum and needs to be lynched. If he flips town, SK is scum, game over.

If the doc protected SK, he shouldn't claim and the game should continue as normal.

Also, I still have some serious work to do as far as catching up on this game.

[Kmd4390]

If the cop protected SK, than I'm town.

No, that would just mean the result on you came back guilty regardless of alignment.

just waiting for ac, kmd, and phily to show up. *sigh* I hate waiting.

I'm here. Are you waiting for something from me? I've already agreed that the doc should claim if, and only if, he did NOT protect you Night 1.

[Kmd4390]

CLAIM - TRACKER

last night I tracked tuber, he visited no one. Ergo, he is not scum.
This is why I wanted to know if the doc had protected SK N1, because, if not, that would have to mean that SK was lying. Now granted, a cc would've been expected if this were the case, but maybe the real cop didn't have time to cc? I don't know. But I know that tuber is not scum (shockingly).

Why did you claim...

Actually, him not targeting anyone just means he didn't submit the kill. It could have just as easily been Grandi who, as Tuber's buddy, submitted the kill.

Anyway, with no doc claim, I'm not going to assume Tuber is scum. But your claim has nothing to do with that.

Vote Phily

[Kmd4390]

My bad. I saw "N1" and thought he was claiming to tarfet Tuber N1. Tuber is town then.

I retract my latest post. With the exception of the vote.

Also, SK still could have been doc protected when he got the guilty.

[Kmd4390]

Drake, of course you think I'm scum.

I'll admit I'm playing a terrible game and fell behind for a while. How's that make me scum though.

Really,

Is quoting a scumtell? Why?

Yes, I didn't really back my reason for preferring an ac lynch. I went V/LA around that time.

Is voting for you a scumtell? Why?

Was I going to push the less likely lynch on an unclaimed player over a claimed vanilla by not posting at all (V/LA)? How? And why?

Empking, no.

[Kmd4390]

I don't like Kmd's defence.

Is a doc claim a good defense?

I missed the night deadline night 1, so I protected SK randomly. Protected Drake last night because I got a protown read from him.

Can we lynch Phily now?

[Kmd4390]

(One of these days you'll be scum...)

And it will be the one time you won't know it. See my wiki. I'm good as scum.

If Phily flips town, SK investigates me, Kmd protects ac1983fan, and ac1983fan tracks Empking. Capiche?

So if Phily is town, either you or Emp is clear or is scum and the other is clear or scum by process of elimination.

This is a town win. Good game scum.

[Kmd4390]

(That goes for all of you fools.)

(Unless Phily is scum.)

Yeah, I'm not V/LA anymore, so I'll get mine in.

[Kmd4390]

Yep.

No way we can lose this one.

[Kmd4390]

Hey it's our good friend Nameless, browsing this here forum...

Nice. I hope Phily is scum so I can update my wiki today.

[Kmd4390]

Good game guys!

[Kmd4390]

Nameless, why was Zazie replaced when she was? I saw no sign of a prod and I know she is online pretty much every day.

[Kmd4390]

kmd, was that whole quote pyramid thing a conscious effort on your part to look scummy to avoid the NK?

I've answered all that needs to be answered about quoting. And then some...

[Kmd4390]

kmd, was that whole quote pyramid thing a conscious effort on your part to look scummy to avoid the NK?

I've answered all that needs to be answered about quoting. And then some...

I disagree.

Quoting= Helpful to the town. Agree or disagree?

Quote pyramids= Result of laziness and not taking the time to erase older quotes. Agree or disagree?

What more do you need to know (honest question)?

[Kmd4390]

kmd, was that whole quote pyramid thing a conscious effort on your part to look scummy to avoid the NK?

I've answered all that needs to be answered about quoting. And then some...

I disagree.

Quoting= Helpful to the town. Agree or disagree?

Quote pyramids= Result of laziness and not taking the time to erase older quotes. Agree or disagree?

What more do you need to know (honest question)?

I get that part, I'm just asking if you were purposefully trying to act just a bit scummy to avoid a scum night-kill.

No.

[Kmd4390]

kmd, was that whole quote pyramid thing a conscious effort on your part to look scummy to avoid the NK?

I've answered all that needs to be answered about quoting. And then some...

I disagree.

Quoting= Helpful to the town. Agree or disagree?

Quote pyramids= Result of laziness and not taking the time to erase older quotes. Agree or disagree?

What more do you need to know (honest question)?

I get that part, I'm just asking if you were purposefully trying to act just a bit scummy to avoid a scum night-kill.

No.

OK, thanks for answering. Sorry to have brought it up again. It actually did contribute to catching Shin, so it wasn't all bad.

No problem. And it was actually Emp's case, not the quoting itself that led to catching Shin.

[Kmd4390]

kmd, was that whole quote pyramid thing a conscious effort on your part to look scummy to avoid the NK?

I've answered all that needs to be answered about quoting. And then some...

I disagree.

Quoting= Helpful to the town. Agree or disagree?

Quote pyramids= Result of laziness and not taking the time to erase older quotes. Agree or disagree?

What more do you need to know (honest question)?

I get that part, I'm just asking if you were purposefully trying to act just a bit scummy to avoid a scum night-kill.

No.

OK, thanks for answering. Sorry to have brought it up again. It actually did contribute to catching Shin, so it wasn't all bad.

No problem. And it was actually Emp's case, not the quoting itself that led to catching Shin.

Yeah, but the fact that Shin didn't respond to Emp's case became part of the case, too.

You

did

agree with Shin's reasons for not responding though...

We did end up winning though, so it's all good.