Open 118 - Follow The Cop ... Or Not (Game Over) before 748

[ac1983fan]

So why didn't you hammer in this post? You just made a new excuse (waiting for ZEEnon's replacement). What does ZEEnon's replacement have to do with anything? Do you think ZEEnon's replacement would have changed your willingness to hammer Shin?

I wanted to give ZEE's replacement his/her fair word. I think it's unfair to a replace if the game is at L-1 and they don't get there word in.

How is that any different than just replacing today? And why didn't you ask others to wait for ZEE's replacement?

They would have gotten to express their thoughts on a shin lynch before it happened. Then we could have possibly been able to make a better connection between ZEE's replacement and shin, especially considering the things ZEEnon said that you have pointed out. Now ZEEnon's replacment knows to be very careful as to what to say in regards to shin, a dead scum. Meanwhile, it seemed like the polite thing to do. I assumed most other people would think that way, since several people had already made posts to that effect. I assumed wrong, obviously.

[GIEFF]

OK, that makes sense to me.

[DraketheFake]

OK, that makes sense to me.

Backed off that pretty quick, didn't you? What other answer were you expecting?

[GIEFF]

He answered them all in a way I can believe, and that make logical sense. The pro-town explanation for ac1983fan's behavior is summarized by the reasons he gave, the pro-scum explanation is that ac1983 didn't really want to hammer, and just said that he did in order to distance. The pro-town explanation is plausible, but that does not mean I think it is more likely than the pro-scum explanation.


My old points against him still stand, and I still find it scummy that he claims he wanted to hammer, didn't hammer when he had the opportunity, and then complained that someone else got to hammer.


Drake, you have not yet answered Tuber's question to you in Post 435:

Of course, Shin flipping scum is a nice bonus, and it definitely makes it seem like Emp, Tuber, and

ac1983fan

are more pro-town than they were before the reveal.

Why exactly is ac1983fan on that list? Because he expressed sympathy for a Shin-lynch?

[GIEFF]

Here's an updated vote history:

By character

Kmd4390

Vote Blakadder, FoS afatchic Post 15
FoS Slicey Post 27
Unvote, Vote Magus_Stragus Post 33
Unvote Post 39
Vote BlakAdder Post 70
Unvote, Vote ac Post 268
Unvote, Vote Shin Post 394

ac1983fan

vote:IH Post 17
unvote Post 36

GIEFF

Vote Kmd4390

(Posted as afatchic)

Post 19
Vote BlakAdder

(Posted as afatchic)

Post 68
Vote Empking, FoS kmd Post 171
unvote, vote ac1983fan Post 237
unvote, Vote Empking Post 339
Vote ac1983fan, FoS ZEEnon Post 426

Empking

Vote: ZEEonn Post 21
<BR>Unvote <BR>Vote: ZEEonn Post 102
Unvote Post 115
Vote: Sshin Post 126
Vote: GIEFF Post 429

Magus_Stragus

Vote: ac1983fan Post 22
Unvote. Vote: Empking Post 32
Unvote Post 38
FoS: IH Post 44

ZEEnon

Vote: afatchic Post 25
Unvote Post 89
Vote: Empking Post 245

Slicey

Vote: KMD Post 26
FoS: KMD Post 28
Unvote, Vote: Shinnen_no_Me Post 163

ZazieR

Vote:KMD

(Posted as IH)

Post 41
unvote, vote:Magus

(Posted as IH)

Post 54

Tuberkulos

vote: Magus Post 85
unvote Post 116
vote:Shin Post 180
unvote Post 329
vote: Shin Post 403

Shadow Knight

vote Empking Post 125
unvote, vote Shin Post 210

DraketheFake

Unvote Post 252
Vote: ac1983fan Post 380
Vote: ZEEnon/Whoever replaces Post 434

By Chronology

Post Number

Poster

Vote
Post 15

Kmd4390

Vote Blakadder FoS afatchic
Post 17

ac1983fan

vote:IH
Post 19

afatchic

Vote Kmd4390
Post 21

Empking

Vote: ZEEonn
Post 22

Magus_Stragus

Vote: ac1983fan
Post 25

ZEEnon

Vote: afatchic
Post 26

Slicey

Vote: KMD
Post 27

Kmd4390

FoS Slicey
Post 28

Slicey

FoS: KMD
Post 32

Magus_Stragus

Unvote. Vote: Empking
Post 33

Kmd4390

Unvote, Vote Magus_Stragus
Post 36

ac1983fan

unvote
Post 38

Magus_Stragus

Unvote
Post 39

Kmd4390

Unvote
Post 41

IH

Vote:KMD
Post 44

Magus_Stragus

FoS: IH
Post 54

IH

unvote, vote:Magus
Post 68

afatchic

Vote BlakAdder
Post 70

Kmd4390

Vote BlakAdder
Post 85

Tuberkulos

vote: Magus
Post 89

ZEEnon

Unvote
Post 102

Empking

<BR>Unvote <BR>Vote: ZEEonn
Post 115

Empking

Unvote
Post 116

Tuberkulos

unvote
Post 125

Shadow Knight

vote Empking
Post 126

Empking

Vote: Sshin
Post 163

Slicey

Unvote, Vote: Shinnen_no_Me
Post 171

GIEFF

Vote Empking FoS kmd
Post 180

Tuberkulos

vote:Shin
Post 210

Shadow Knight

unvote, vote Shin
Post 237

GIEFF

unvote vote ac1983fan
Post 245

ZEEnon

Vote: Empking
Post 252

DraketheFake

Unvote
Post 268

Kmd4390

Unvote, Vote ac
Post 329

Tuberkulos

unvote
Post 339

GIEFF

unvote Vote Empking
Post 380

DraketheFake

Vote: ac1983fan
Post 394

Kmd4390

Unvote, Vote Shin
Post 403

Tuberkulos

vote: Shin
Post 426

GIEFF

Vote ac1983fan FoS ZEEnon
Post 429

Empking

Vote: GIEFF
Post 434

DraketheFake

Vote: ZEEnon/Whoever replaces

[GIEFF]

Read from Post 33 for full context.

Unvote. Vote: Empking

because of your urge to start the discussion, which means that you want to start lynching as soon as possible.

I'd argue the opposite. Town wants to get out of the RVS.

Unvote, Vote Magus_Stragus

No, Magus was jokevoting Emp for doing what I consider a protown action: starting real discussion. Way to defend a player on Page 2 though.

The way I see it, Emp made a statement that Magnus saw as an attempt to get us out of the RVS. Magnus called that scummy. I call it a more protown action, and Magnus doing the exact opposite scummy.

First of all, it's Magus, not Magnus. Second, I didn't find scummy anything, I was just making a joke vote for Emp's seriousness. Any roads, I guess that this has already turned serious enough, so...

Unvote

My bad on the name.

Unvote

What are your thoughts on recent posts by ac and myself?

And then later, in response to my question about why you unvoted Magus, you said:

I unvoted because I was satisfied with Shin's response, not because the RVS was over. I don't do that. I unvote a random vote when there is a better reason to vote.

If you knew Magus was jokevoting, why did you vote her in the first place? Did Magus/Shin's response tell you anything you didn't know? If not, why did it satisfy you enough to unvote?


And kmd said ac1983fan was a better lynch than Shin, but hardly mentioned him before or after that, or explained why he thought ac was a better lynch. Kmd wanted me and Empking to keep arguing with each other after I was trying to end it, and had hardly a word to say about Shin OR ac1983fan as the town tried to figure out the best lynch candidate. Kmd only voted Shin very late, when it was pretty clear that there was no way to avoid a Shin lynch.

[DraketheFake]

Of course, Shin flipping scum is a nice bonus, and it definitely makes it seem like Emp, Tuber, and ac1983fan are more pro-town than they were before the reveal.

Why exactly is ac1983fan on that list? Because he expressed sympathy for a Shin-lynch?

Right you are. I could have sworn ac1983fan voted for Shin at some point yesterday, but he never ever did.

In fact, he and Shin of all people were the only non-voters at the end of yesterday.

In fact, based on a quick look at her posts/GIEFF's list in the post before mine, he made one vote all of yesterday, and hasn't been voting since 36 posts into the game.

Which is pretty damning.

[GIEFF]

I think hypoclaiming cop results is a good idea, so that if the cop is killed tonight, we will know who is cleared. Do others agree? If so, make sure your hypoclaim is an innocent-result, as a legit-cop would likely out a guilty report.

[Empking]

I don't agree. I don't even see how it makes sense.

[Kmd4390]

I'm back. I'll find Shin's buddies tomorrow. Slicey kill seems weird to me too. I need to catch up.

[GIEFF]

I don't agree. I don't even see how it makes sense.

Really? What do we do if the cop dies tonight without revealing who is innocent-result was?

[DraketheFake]

We go back through his/her posts and figure it out based on context?

You seem awfully skittish considering we hit scum D1 without so much as a whisper from the cop. You're also making a big assumption that the cop even has an innocent to give us.

[Empking]

I don't agree. I don't even see how it makes sense.

Really? What do we do if the cop dies tonight without revealing who is innocent-result was?

Oh you mean last nights. It'll still help the town hit the cop.

[GIEFF]

Skittish? In what way is trying to optimize our chances of winning skittish?

And what do you mean it will help the town hit the cop?

[Empking]

It'll help the mafia hit the cop.

[GIEFF]

Maybe tomorrow then, when the chances of losing a PR go up, and there are 2 potential clears instead of just 1.

[Tuberkulos]

The kill of Slicey isn't so weird. He wasn't a threat to anyone, and he managed to keep himself under the radar. Scum thought he had a reason for this (power role) and/or the kill wouldn't really give is something new to go on.

I'm willing to lynch ac. However, no matter the outcome, it doesn't change my view on Shin.

This works the other way around. ac doesn't look too good. I also don't like Drake.

[Kmd4390]

If you knew Magus was jokevoting, why did you vote her in the first place? Did Magus/Shin's response tell you anything you didn't know? If not, why did it satisfy you enough to unvote?

Early in the game, I jump on the first thing I see. After the response, I didn't see anything genuinely scummy at that point.

And kmd said ac1983fan was a better lynch than Shin, but hardly mentioned him before or after that, or explained why he thought ac was a better lynch. Kmd wanted me and Empking to keep arguing with each other after I was trying to end it, and had hardly a word to say about Shin OR ac1983fan as the town tried to figure out the best lynch candidate. Kmd only voted Shin very late, when it was pretty clear that there was no way to avoid a Shin lynch.

Yes, I thought AC was a better lynch.

Yes, I wanted to see if you or Emp was onto something or not and I said more discussion "couldn't hurt".

I voted Shin because we knew Shin wasn't a power role and I was going V/LA.

[Tuberkulos]

Yes, I thought AC was a better lynch.

You still haven't made much of an effort to explain why though.

[Empking]

Ac: Why the lack of voting?

[GIEFF]

Zazier hasn't posted in 8 days.

Shadow Knight hasn't posted in 4 days, and hasn't posted anything of in-game relevance in 6 days.

ac1983fan hasn't posted in 3 days.

[ac1983fan]

Ac: Why the lack of voting?

Because as of right now, I don't find anyone to scummy.
Why the questioning of me as opposed to the many other people not voting?

ac1983fan hasn't posted in 3 days.

Most of which I was V/LA.

Also, kmd, why did you think I was a better lynch than shin? I know that I'm not the first person to ask this, but you haven't directly stated why.

[Empking]

Ac: Why the lack of voting?

Because as of right now, I don't find anyone to scummy.
Why the questioning of me as opposed to the many other people not voting?.

Because you've onlyu had one vote all game.

[ac1983fan]

Because as of right now, I don't find anyone to scummy.
Why the questioning of me as opposed to the many other people not voting?.

Because you've onlyu had one vote all game.

That's because I was planning on hammering shin once it was acceptable. And I'm not voting now because I feel no need to cast a vote right now. I won't vote unless I think someone needs to be lynched. Ok?

[Kmd4390]

Also, kmd, why did you think I was a better lynch than shin? I know that I'm not the first person to ask this, but you haven't directly stated why.

I know it's lame, but I don't remember.

I think you were too cautious.