Newbie 736 (Game Over)

[ZEEnon]

i'm not sure if i have to wait
until my name turns bold,
but i've been waiting a day to be
able to post, so i think i can participate
in the conversation now .

anyways, bandwagon is a very
scumish thing to do .. just to let you know .
i think you should be more careful .

FoS: Xtoxm

[ZEEnon]

if you don't know how
you feel about it,
i have no idea why you would
randomly bring it up .

all i said was that it took a while
for my name to be bolded,
and i gave a reason for me to suspect Xtoxm .
i guess that's hard for you to interpret .

[ZEEnon]

Sorry, I shouldn't have quoted the bit about your name. The relevant issue is the FOS instead of a Vote. It seems to me that if you suspect that Xtomx is trying to push the wagon forward because he's scum; you'd vote for him. If you think he's town making a bad move; you wouldn't FOS him.

FOS is a useful tool, but in this case it looks like your just trying to be non-committal.

i used FoS because i'm not sure
if he did the bandwagon because
he is a newbie, or because he is scum .

this somehow doesn't sound right to me...and you FoSing Xtoxm comes off as a defense of image

FoS: ZEEnon

.. it's easy to tell
which people haven't played Mafia online before .
let me explain to you one tactic Mafia
use to lynch innocents. they discreetly
vote for the person with the most votes.
of course, a newbie might announce that he
is doing the bandwagon, either thinking
that is what people normally do,
OR making it 'seem' like he isn't scum
because normally a mafia wouldn't
say that out in the open .

Vote: LynchHimNotMe

Explain to me HOW it doesn't sound right to you.
was it the 'bandwagon' part ?
the 'scumish thing to do' part ?
or maybe it was the 'i think you should be careful' part ..
if i was protecting image then i would
have probably FoSed Porkens, not Xtoxm .
Porkens supported his argument,
unlike Xtoxm's

bandwagon

vote .

[ZEEnon]

*sigh* sorry for late reply,
i wasn't home all day .

i'm not saying that because
Xtoxm bandwagoned I am
sure he is scum .. i'm saying
that I'm just going to watch him
more closely. it wasn't really
a serious FoS .. well not to me .

well SORRY for sounding pro-town ..
LynchHimNotMe, i placed my vote
on you as a tactic to pressure you,
not in order to have you lynched.
you seem very townie to me.
if I didn't know what discreet meant
why would I use the word ?
also read more carefully,
I didn't say there was anything
wrong with your FoS ..

[ZEEnon]

with all due respect,
you are STILL misinterpreting
my posts . I never said anything
about YOUR FoS being discreet .
hell, I don't even think
I even mentioned your FoS .
I could care less if you FoS me,
that's your problem, not mine .
my goal is to find scum
without suspecting every single
person that defends themselves .
I think anyone would do that,
whether scum or not .
my vote didn't change because
I don't suspect anyone else .
it might change,
but you are getting a bit defensive
when I didn't remove my vote
although I clearly stated that I
think you are a townie, so obviously
I would remove it sooner or later .

[ZEEnon]

on a side note .. its weird that
image has so many votes ..
and only through 'random voting' ..

[ZEEnon]

Pikachu hates you too.

Unvote.
Vote: zindionne

[ZEEnon]

omg WOAH ! i'm EXTREMELY sorry for the triple post .
i will be away from a computer for a period of time,
and i will be using my iPod Touch to post .
sometimes it posts more than once,
so i apologize in advance for future reference .
(mod, could you please delete two of those posts?
they serve no purpose, and it bothers me that i'm the cause ..)

Done.

For the record FOSing is the most pointless thing ever. No one has any reason to be worried by an FOS as it (by it's very definition) is simply an unsubstantial accusation that could easily be better expressed through words and reasoning.

FoS is a tool utilized by this forum .
it allows a player be able to explain
themselves clearly without feeling pressured
with a vote. if they are scum,
they may reveal some hints/ scumtells
that may help us in the long run .
personally, i find no use of it either,
but i'm just stating a majority opinion .

Also: ZEEnon, type normal. Your "poetic" writing hurts my eyes and hampers your ability to communicate.

i tend to like how i type,
i find it aestetically pleasing (IN MY EYES)
and let's not bring that into discussion .
if you are going to go as far as to
say that it could be a scumtell,
i will automatically move my vote to you.
my typing has no effect on the way
this game is going to be played .
if ANYTHING, it HELPS you because
it decreases the distance that you have to
move your eyes, which would not hurt your eyes at all .

Actually...

Unvote

Vote: image

That's what I think....

Sironigous, that vote for image
without ANY clear explanation
is EXTREMELY suspicious .
it appears as a bandwagon vote,
and it is also the FOURTH one .
one more, and image will easily
be lynched, and for all we know thus far,
he is an innocent townie .

Unvote.
Vote: Sironigous

[ZEEnon]

Explain yourself Sir.

haha, nice pun on his username.

[ZEEnon]

why the attack on me?
getting a bit too defensive .
you didn't really explain why
you voted image AT ALL, or if you did,
i didn't fully understand .

my pressure vote had nothing to do
with his vote being random.
for some reason he didn't understand
why i FoSed Xtoxm, when I CLEARLY
stated it was because of his bandwagon vote .

if that doesn't make sense,
you should pick up a language class .
(i can't quote due to my iTouch)

i never said that i viewed it
as a scumtell,
but yes, paranoid individuals
may view it that way ..

overall, my vote won't be changing .

[ZEEnon]

haha i hate you DIonized,
you posted before me with one of my points . xD
but yeah, i totally agree with you .

[ZEEnon]

I am quite aware of the purpose of an FOS. They are however silly and not valuable. The same thing that is done with and FOS can easily be done with a simple question. Alternatively you could use a vote and actually pressure the person.

You have the right to your own opinion .

It actually doesn't help. You are entitled to your opinion but I'm just telling you that it makes it more difficult to read and thus less likely to be read.

Be my guest and ignore my posts then,
whatever makes you happy .

Isn't it generally more appropriate to assume that another player is scum than that another player is town?

i'm not so paranoid that i'm going
to assume every other play is scum .
when i start a game, everyone starts off
as a regular townsperson to me .

[ZEEnon]

seriously, only scum would continually
bring up the topic of my typing .
that is for ME to decide, and YOU to endure .
i don't like how you made my nickname 'Zee'
with those ugly lowercase 'e',
but you don't see me bringing it up and calling it anti-town,
so get a life. you'll have to deal with people in real life
that won't change how they feel
just because YOU have a problem with it .

by the way, i'm still not serious yet.
the only person i suspect is Sironigous,
and that is because of his bandwagon vote .
which isn't much to go on this early in the game .

[ZEEnon]

i love your explanation,
it's very insightful .

[ZEEnon]

there is no point arguing,
you obviously seem to be definite
in your positions to lynch me ..
(before you lynch me, i'm going to try
and post all my views on the game so far)
i'll write back very soon,
i have to eat though.

[ZEEnon]

this shows the voting patterns
of people so far .
i'm aware that doesn't always
mean anything, but it's nice to have for reference .

LynchHimNotMe

vote ZEEnon

zindionne

vote ZEEnon

image

vote Xtoxm
vote DIonized
vote Sironigous

ZEEnon

vote LynchHimNotMe
vote zindionne
vote Sironigous

DIonized

vote image

IronTurkey

vote LynchHimNotMe

Sironigous

vote IronTurkey
vote image

Porkens

vote image
vote ZEEnon

Xtoxm

vote image
vote ZEEnon

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i'm pretty sure on of the people
on my bandwagon are scum,
since i'm almost lynched anyways .

just one question, can people
that replace into games even be mafia ?
why would the moderator suggest to start
the game regardless of the three people
being replaced, if perhaps the scum
wasn't in the game yet ?
just me thinking out loud ..

anyways, bandwagon is a very
scumish thing to do .. just to let you know .
i think you should be more careful .

FoS: Xtoxm

It seems to me that if you suspect that Xtomx is trying to push the wagon forward because he's scum; you'd vote for him. If you think he's town making a bad move; you wouldn't FOS him.

you're are implying
that you would rather see me put
a random vote on someone then
for me to use an FoS on someone that
i have a reason to do so .

By saying the vote is random, you're asking us to take your word on the claim that you would have voted for whomever was last on the list.

this accusation came fairly early in the game
for something very minor .
it was his FIRST vote, and i think
he said random because it was technically
still the 'random voting stage' .

first of all, what you said sounded to me like you are trying to sound pro-town

i merely stated a fact .

In addition, you started getting really antsy after Xtoxm's vote which to me is clearly not a serious vote. Yet you became all tense and FoSed him.

when i FoS people, it's because i
want to let them know i'm watching them .
i don't use IGMEOY or other fancy
terms like that . i like to keep it simple .
who are YOU to say that i became tense ?
do you watch me through my window or something ?
i merely stated that it was a thing mafia would do,
and i had NO reason to suspect anyone
else even a little bit .
would you rather i have not posted anything ?
because besides suspecting Xtoxm,
i had nothing else to go on .

Sweet! Explanation time... By the way, hey guys.

here he mentions 'explanation time' .
i guess '...' signified his explanation .
i brought this up again because it bothers me
that he didn't even explain YET .

...wow.


I'll post more later whehn

it bothers me a lot when
people don't do what they say .
if a townsperson has a point
to say, they would POST it .
not completely forget about it .

not muched has changed, I really hate day ones

quite a lot has happened actually .
unless you are referring to your activity.

• His initial FoS seems strange to me, but that could be because I've played here a while and in the
  R
  andom
  V
  ote
  S
  tage it's just more common to see a vote.

this IS a newbie game afterall ..
of course you are going to
see things you haven't seen before.
(such as my typing)

Sironigous, that vote for image
without ANY clear explanation
is EXTREMELY suspicious .
it appears as a bandwagon vote,
and it is also the FOURTH one .
one more, and image will easily
be lynched, and for all we know thus far,
he is an innocent townie .

Unvote.
Vote: Sironigous

after careful inspection,
i agree, this DOES make me seem
like i'm protecting image (the player) .
however, (this may make it seem like
i'm trying to seem like i'm pro-town,
but i'm saying it regardless... )
i don't want to just watch while
a player gets lynched RIGHT at the
BEGINNING of the game (basically) .

by the way,
just because someone
tries to seem pro-town
doesn't necessarily mean they are
scum . if you are scum, you want
to seem innocent . but if you are innocent,
DON'T YOU WANT TO SEEM INNOCENT ?
so what is the problem when someone says something
like "well SORRY for sounding pro-town..."
or "my goal is to find scum." ?

I'd honestly like to see him at L-1

.. i bet you would .

LynchHim seems to think you are scummy but not enough to warrant lynching

ironic, he placed his vote on me.
i guess when you place your vote on
a player, it means you don't
think they are suspicious enough to be lynched .
i'll keep that in mind for future reference .

since there are no 'bah' posts,
i'd like to say ..
go for one of the people voting for me !
it has to be one of them.

[ZEEnon]

anyways, bandwagon is a very
scumish thing to do .. just to let you know .
i think you should be more careful .

FoS: Xtoxm

this somehow doesn't sound right to me...and you FoSing Xtoxm comes off as a defense of image

FoS: ZEEnon

ANOTHER weird double standard .
everyone blows up and goes psycho when
i start off MY posts with an FoS,
but when LynchHimNotMe uses FoS first,
nobody says ANYTHING .
in my opinion, the whole towns seems to be working against me. :P

[ZEEnon]

Why did you not respond to this:

In post 38 he says "I find no use of it (FoS) either, but i'm just stating a majority opinion. This is in direct contradiction to his actions earleir.

THANK YOU for reminding me !
i knew i forgot something!
i said i find no use of it,
not that i DON'T use it .
i use it now since the majority
of players understand it,
and a lot feel more pressured than
if i asked a series of well thought-out questions,
which seems weird to me .

[ZEEnon]

Argh, the wall of text...

i guess when you place your vote on
a player, it means you don't
think they are suspicious enough to be lynched .

The point isn't that he placed his vote on you, it is that he removed it three minutes later since you were at L - 1.

oh sorry! i didn't remember that post
when i was making the summary!

just one question, can people
that replace into games even be mafia ?
why would the moderator suggest to start
the game regardless of the three people
being replaced, if perhaps the scum
wasn't in the game yet ?
just me thinking out loud ..

Oh, and look at that! You just happened to have been one of the people who replaced into this game. Awfully convenient, isn't it? Obviously scum can replace into games, or else we'd have three confirmed townies at this point. The way in which you mentioned this seems scummy to me.

I'll live my vote on zin for the moment, though, as he still seems rather tight-lipped.

ughh whatever anything i say gets transformed,
i think i should stop posting so much,
it makes me a prime target .. for EVERYONE .

[ZEEnon]

in my opinion, the whole

towns

seems to be working against me.

you summed it up very nicely there...

LOL LynchHimNotMe !
sorry, let me rephrase .
all the players seem to be working against me.

@ Porkens, thanks for answering my question .

[ZEE, list your scumlist for us, would you? who do you think is most likely scum?

(sorry for taking so long,
everytime i started to write this, somebody posted again)
zindionne: lurker, enough said. not participating enough.
Sironigous: seems scummy to me, as he STILL hasn't explained himself .

besides those two, i have no time to ask probing questions
since you all are doing a good job of keeping
me occupied answering your questions ..

[ZEEnon]

i guess '...' signified his explanation .

... it does? I just type using a lot of those...

Why can you have a typing style (yes, you do have one) and I can't?

some people don't understand sarcasm.

Wait... what didn't I explain yet that you want me to explain?

This:

Sironigous: your explanation of voting image up to L-1 was surprisingly poor, as has been noted by multiple people so far and you don't seem to be actively doing anything towards scumhunting either.

[ZEEnon]

although Xtoxm is one of our ICs,
he is DEFINITELY not acting like it.
none of his posts
did anything to contribute to discussion .

I find Zee suspicious. Don't like his post style either, it's hard to read, which is anti-town.
Sir, what were you thinking when you said "that's what I think"?

..obviously he was thinking what
he said he was thinking, duh.

Unvote Vote Zee

I still support a Zee lynch.

i'm sure that mafia would support a lynch of
anyone besides themselves..

so many people accuse you of lurking,
and yet you continue to leave short
posts that mean hardly anything ..

Vote: Xtoxm.

[ZEEnon]

Obviously, he was thinking what he said he was thinking, duh.

The problem is, he didn't say what he was thinking.

oh sorry, i thought he did . o.O

[ZEEnon]

Bandwagon vote, complete with BS reasons. Nice.

i'm sorry but this is just unacceptable .
as an IC, you should be showing
us newbies how the game is supposed to be played.
by your short, unmeaningful posts,
you do the exact opposite .

[ZEEnon]

ZEEnon was very legitimately scummy, dropping a "serious" vote for a joke OMGUS vote.

Pikachu hates you too.

Unvote.
Vote: zindionne

this sounds very serious. /sarcasm
that's the only OMGUS vote i see of mine.
perhaps you'd like to point out what i'm missing .

Vote: Porkens

being an IC, you should know that Xtoxm's style of play is short and yes, very annoying most of the time.

just because you are an IC doesn't mean that you observe every player's play style. i certainly wouldn't .

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Xtoxm, being an IC isn't trying very hard. he barely contributes besides to say that he'd be happiest with my lynch or that his bandwagon is fueled by 'bullshit' reasons. he doesn't explain why for either of those posts, however.

[ZEEnon]

@ZEEnon: I never said that I observe every player's play style. In fact, if you read my last few posts; you'll see that A) I don't know anything about xtomx's playstyle (other than in this game) and B) I was actively arguing against his playstyle being a really valid point.

i never said that you observe every player's style.
i said that you most likely DIDN'T.

[ZEEnon]

there seems to be a lack of posting .
unless you are all fine with Xtoxm's lynch,
please speak up and let us hear your opinions .
how are we supposed to investigate if nobody is talking?
and Xtoxm, some proper defense would be nice .
i'm fine with your lynch right now,
but you can still change my mind, there is still plenty of time .

[ZEEnon]

can you write your suspicions of me too ?
with me being the only one not on that list,
it makes it seem as if we are working together .

[ZEEnon]

At any rate, I think so far my own guess for scum this game are ZEE and Sir. Last time ZEE had a few votes on him, he posted a huge wall of text (post 72); however, some of the claims (ie. the voting patterns) were incorrect. He makes a few incorrect statements later as well; either he is being sinister, or he is not paying close attention; either is bad for town.

hmm.. i wonder why i posted a wall of text.
perhaps it could be due to the fact, oh i don't know..
that people asked me questions maybe?
would you rather me not answer the questions directed at me next time?

also, please tell me how the voting patterns i posted up were not correct.
i'm very positive they are correct. i think YOU are viewing them incorrectly. they show who a person has

voted for

, not who has voted for the person. please list the OTHER incorrect statements please, as i'm not seeing them .

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i can't see Porkens latest post as anything other than a bandwagon post. the second thing he quotes mentions 'incorrect voting patterns' that aren't incorrect at all. if he actually paid attention, he would see they were not incorrect. also, he says that he agrees with the quote, yet

how does he know

the other "few incorrect statements" that image thinks i supposedly made? seems like a possible mafia duo, but let's not jump to conclusions.

ZEEnon was very legitimately scummy, dropping a "serious" vote for a joke OMGUS vote.

Pikachu hates you too.

Unvote.
Vote: zindionne

this sounds very serious. /sarcasm
that's the only OMGUS vote i see of mine.
perhaps you'd like to point out what i'm missing .

still waiting for a reply. /ignored

[ZEEnon]

image

vote Xtoxm
vote DIonized
vote Sironigous

However, in post 58,

Therefore,

Unvote: Sironigous

and

Vote: zindionne.

sorry, i think i didn't update that one into my records.

As for other incorrect statements? There's your most recent one, for starters. IronTurkey points out another mistake of yours in post 88, and then you grabbed a quote from Xtoxm out of context in post 97:

I find Zee suspicious. Don't like his post style either, it's hard to read, which is anti-town.
Sir, what were you thinking when you said "that's what I think"?

..obviously he was thinking what
he said he was thinking, duh.

that isn't an incorrect statement.
we assume that he was thinking what he was thinking.
however, i didn't take into account that
he didn't state what he was thinking. that doesn't make my post incorrect .

[ZEEnon]

.. nobody posted at all today. o.O

[ZEEnon]

I'm against it!

Vote: Porkens

To be honest, I really don't think you're scum though. You're just scum hunting. :S

I guess just pretend I'm going to hang you.

why would you vote someone if you don't think they are scum ? i find that a completely pointless thing to do .

FOS: Sironigous

[ZEEnon]

Unvote .

i'm in another game where i feel very much the same way that Xtoxm
probably felt when people started voting for him, so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt .

[ZEEnon]

Mod: Is vote count right?

Porkens 1 (LynchHimNotMe, Sironigous)

i noticed this as well .

[ZEEnon]

An explanation would be nice. How can I defend myself if the only reason you give is that you want to be a 'helper'? What do you mean by a 'helper'? Are you hinting that you are helping your mafia partner quicklynch? The fact that your vote keeps changing comes off to me as anti-town, although you may just be a confused townsperson. Why would you not go with an

obvious

choice of yours? Although I do not see what is so obvious about Sironigous, it makes sense that you would vote for the person you see most suspicious, as well as share your suspicions with others.

[ZEEnon]

1. Why are you

only

asking why

I

am voting for you?

2. I'm not interested in your defense; I want to hang someone, to keep the game going, and you are closest.

3. I

tried

to lynch who I think is scum; and it killed the thread.

1. I already asked xtoxm to explain his reasons and image is voting me because of my wall of text and my accidents.
2. You were as close to lynch as me, if you want to hang someone, hang yourself.
3.

[ZEEnon]

Lynch all lurkers ! I wonder if we are allowed to vote seven people at a time ?

[ZEEnon]

Let's try and make people post. I'm going to start with the replacement. Aren't replacements supposed to be active since they volunteered to replace for someone?

Vote: Moriarty147

. I'd like to hear all your views on the game so far, as well as who you deem the most suspicious currently.

[ZEEnon]

ZEEnon

- ZEEnon on the other hand, is pegging my scumdar at the moment. Everything from overdefensiveness due to getting voted to L-2, to a possible slip here to many other scattered reasons.

I understand you can't hear the tone in which I want my words to be heard, but that SORRY was supposed to sound sarcastic, like SO-RRY. It's really not someone's fault if they sound pro-town. They might be purposely doing it, but if everyone sounds pro-town, does that make everyone scum? Also, wouldn't anyone get defensive on L-2 ? I believe that roles from townsperson-mafia would all defend themselves if they came up to that point. Also, please mention the 'other scattered reasons,' because i'd like a chance to explain what you are probably misunderstanding about them. Overall,

Unvote

. We got the activeness we were grilling him for, although I am deeply concerned about the person that placed the L-1 vote. I wasn't asking everyone to follow me when I placed my vote on Moriarty147, but at least it made him post useful information .

[ZEEnon]

MOD: I really think zindionne should be replaced. It has been nine days since his last post, and it was not even that meaningful.

[ZEEnon]

That puts the town at a disadvantage if he is town though.

[ZEEnon]

Well, lynching anyone puts the town at a disadvantage if they are town.

QFT .

[ZEEnon]

Unvote

First of all, I love ZEE's prose. It certainly makes the read more interesting, and I can certainly hear the beat it has. I am displeased that he's dropped it over the last few posts, however. I wish he would return to it.

In another game people took it so seriously that they brought me to L-1 for my writing style. I've decided to put their interests before my own in order to make them happy. They were really selfish. They told me it hurt their eyes, but this writing is really plain and boring to me.

[ZEEnon]

So, thoughts on a Zin lynch, as opposed to a Mori lynch?

Sorry for the late reply, I was re-reading the game.
I would rather have zindionne lynched, but I really don't like policy lynches and would much rather have him replaced.

[ZEEnon]

I went back and reviewed every player's connections with zindionne and Moriarty147. I will quote a lot of things that Moriarty147 (DIonized) said since he is confirmed town, which allows us to examine his posts without fearing that he is mafia. Here are my views so far:

Sironigous's 4th vote on image is very suspicious, and his "explanation post" doesn't explain his vote at all. If this were one of the real-life games I'm used to, Sironigous would be lynched by now. But for now:
Strong

FoS: Sironigous

And I would appreciate an actual defense/explanation of your vote, Sironigous, not of other people's.

... Yeah, I don't have one. o_O... It seems like no one else had reasons for theirs either.

Everyone had a reason for voting. If you are town-aligned, you want your thoughts to be made known to everyone so that we know exactly what you think. If we see you voting for someone with no reasons at all, we can only assume that there are no reasons for your vote.

Slightly distressed about the early wagon on image. A page 2 wagon that lead up to L-1 for reasons that were pretty much terrible and based on "gotcha"-style wording is not a very good thing to have. Definetly some scum on that somewhere.

Sironigous: your explanation of voting image up to L-1 was surprisingly poor, as has been noted by multiple people so far and you don't seem to be actively doing anything towards scumhunting either.

I'm most distressed atm by the lurker pair of zindionne and Xtoxm. Especially the latter, as he's supposed to be one of the ICs and therefore should be helpful, instead of not contributing anything for the most part, except for some posts which could easily be construed as very scummy.

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FOS: Xtoxm

I dont want to vote for him yet, I would like to give him a chance to talk/claim. but if he doesnt, my vote is heading there as of now.

Not quite sure if this tells us Xtoxm is innocent, or if zindionne was bussing him.

Zin is lurking. I wouldn't mind a lynch on him, but I'd much rather him be prodded/replaced first before we lynch him.

I'd FoS him, but I really don't think those do much so..

mini-FoS: ZIN

I find this really suspicious. He seems too reluctant to lynch him, and doesn't feel that lurking warrants either a regular FOS or a vote.

I'm not sure if it'll help, but

UNVOTE

I have to go reread the rules to see if that'll save poor Zind from LHNM's idiotic hammer.

This seems like Giuseppe was looking for some way to protect zindionne. Although he may just have been worried that we lynched a power role without allowing zindionne to claim first, it comes out to me as questionable.

At the moment,

FoS: ZEEnon.
FoS: Porkens

The reason why:

Eh, just because they weren't one of the people who voted for Zin. ha.

But image didn't vote him as well. Are you selectively choosing people to suspect? Also, you need to consider that perhaps the scum was on zindionne's bandwagon.

actually, just wanted to say that i would've been a great NK, i fully expected to die ....this clears Porkens/Xtoxm by default? an IC mafia would've killed me by now

How are they clear exactly?

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Overall, i'm fairly sure that LynchHimNotMe is town. I don't see why he would hammer zindionne when he was going to be replaced, unless he was extremely bussing him. Also, for those of you that are wondering why I didn't vote zindionne, it is because I wanted to hear more. He did not explain anything to us, nor try to defend himself. I also thought he was going to be replaced, so I held back my vote for a while longer.

[ZEEnon]

... But you didn't say anything.

I didn't say anything because as I said, I wanted to hear more.

...But I did vote him afterwards.

After his lynch seemed inevitable perhaps.

...Are you saying town lynches are ok?

No, i'm just saying that his post brings suspicion onto him in my mind. You have no obligation to see things the same way I do.

... What if you don't want the town and mafia to know your reasons?

Why would you

NOT

?

Vote: Sironigous

.

Sure, scum could be on the bandwagon... But, let's just see where it goes from there.

You say that scum can be on the wagon, and yet you do not contribute to actually finding those scum.

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[ZEEnon]

By the way, LynchHimNotMe, when i quote multiple people/ posts, I usually use the quote button. I take what I want to copy from each post, paste into a note-taking document, and then add what I have to say. I think it's much more convenient than having to type that HTML stuff. (if it even is HTML)

[ZEEnon]

You didn't say THAT.

Did you ask me during day one why I wasn't voting zindionne? No, I don't believe you did. So of course I wouldn't randomly throw that in.

Inevitable?

I never said that it was inevitable. I said that you may have seen it as inevitable.

Do these clash?

No. Town-aligned players should

always

let out their views on the game. Your refusal to do so only make me see you are scummy.

I am. I think you are scum.

Oh look. Now that I accuse you of being scum, You decide that I am scummy. What a suprise. This only strengthens my views on you.

[ZEEnon]

Were you here?

What kind of questions is this? Of course I was here day one. Are you going to get rid of me tonight?

...not necessarily.

I'm serious. If you don't tell us, we can only assume you have no reasons for voting a particular player.
Not just that, town-aligned players want their views out for everyone to understand and agree.

Didn't I vote for you earlier?... you voted for me AFTER I voted for you...
May I use your argument?

That is true, I forgot your vote.
Either way your vote for me had no suspicions backed up with it besides the fact that I did not vote for zindionne.

MAY have. >_>

Yes, I say 'may' because I am not you. I have

no

idea what you are thinking.
I am not going to assume I know what you are thinking, because that is extremely false.

[ZEEnon]

I skipped briefly since I have to go to sleep,
but I am not liking how sad your arguments are being supported so far.
I will expand on this point more tomorrow. (erm.. today; 12:50 a.m.)

[ZEEnon]

Sorry guys, I have become addicted to epicmafia.com .

ZEE, if you could clarify, what is the big reason you think Sir is scum right now? I'm getting mired amid your strings of quotes, and I'd like a straight answer.

In post 266 I mention that I went back and re-read the entire thread. I pulled out everything that I seen as questionable or scummy. Sironigous, however, has displayed the greatest amounts of anti-town qualities.

...please refrain from saying things like 'we want to know' or 'the town needs blah blah'....

When I say we, I speak for town-aligned players in general. Do you not think that

we

deserve to know what Sironigous feels? Since I asked him how he feels, he has decided that I am scummy.