Mini 707: Cops and Robbers Mafia (Game Over)

[crywolf20084]

vote: q21

cuz he's the only other person with numbers in his name

[crywolf20084]

Clearly this is no longer random so,

unvote

.

[crywolf20084]

Welcome Corporate.

[crywolf20084]

Crywolf. Who's scum?

In the middle of page three, I'm not sure yet, let me get back to you when we have a bit more content. [/rawr statment]

Truthfully, i've just scanned GC's wall'o'text and have yet to actually read it. I was about to get to it when I saw this.

[crywolf20084]

Yeah, those walls of text suck.

You need to be producing content instead of waiting for it.

Okay, miss pushy. Come up with something yourself. I'm trying to do so.

@GC: thanks for the summery..I just noticed it.

[crywolf20084]

I say you're complaining. Yes you may have contributed a little bit, but to me, being sick and studying for a very important Bio test takes precedent to this. But i'm here now and I'm not liking your pushiness.
There's a time and a place to be pushy as a townie, but right now, I think you have gone to far.

[crywolf20084]

I was not aware that you were sick or studying for a very important bio test.

I have no idea how asking a lurker to stop lurking and pointing out that I myself am not lurking is "too far."

It's only page three. Now if it was page ten and nothing has been said it two days, then you can be pushy.

[crywolf20084]

Add-on: And your last sentence, especially the words "and pointing out that I myself am not lurking is "too far."" is pretty much waving a neon sign saying: LOOK I'm acting town!!!

[crywolf20084]

Psh. I'm not going to let someone active-lurk up until Page 10 to the point where nothing has been said in two days.

I'm summarizing my behavior toward you: three times repeating that you should get into the game, and once getting annoyed because you had the nerve to insinuate that

I was no better than you.

And I am acting town. ^_^

How's that read?

You are no better than me, unless you are one of two roles. Mason, you have someone who is knowning on your side. Or Scum, then you know who you should jump onto.
There are some other things that you maybe a tracker/watcher/cop or some other information gathering role and you know something that I don't at this point of time.

And no, I wasn't going to active lurk up to page 10 but the way you're acting right now, on page four, is pretty much the same as you would on page 10 where there is a mass of lurkers.

[crywolf20084]

Hang on post's comming.

[crywolf20084]

Okay so the first thing that I thought was off was corporate’s vote. I’d like some reasoning before I have much to say to that.

Secondly, I do not like how Ether’s practically running the game. Whatever she asks people jump and do it.

Simpor points out a good point here:

Ether:
After voting Mizzy and having some pressure on her, he turns and defends Mizzy:

Dislike q21's vote, regardless of Mizzy's alignment.

Posts a scumlist of three players (not including Mizzy) and then the next post want to have answers from her.

No. I'm not thrilled with Mizzy, but I completely believe that her job is serious business. And she still manages to be more active than half the game. I think the focus should move to someone else for today.

More Mizzy defence.

You also states that your unvote of Mizzy was a mistake, implying that your vote belongs there (at least from my understanding). But Mizzy is not high up on your scumlist.. And if you don't think that Mizzy is scum, then your unvote should be correct?

I agree with Simpor here and I don’t like what what Ether had to say.

(Second side note: in post 129 corporate says, "im not using double standards i have a fos for cry wolf as well" I did a quick skim of the thread and didn't see where this FOS against crywolf was. Did I just miss it or is this a blatant lie?)

ok well, im pretty undecided. theres a lot of stretching going on and votes with lack of substance. also due to the lack of participation from half the game im going to hold my vote untill we get to know each other a little better.

i could put a FoS at almost everybody

. but the top two on my radar are mizzy and ether, but that may be because they are two of the most vocal and that leaves more chances to misinterpet. im also skeptical about mizzys attention to limited participation, it just feels like a possible defensive move. ether, immediatley buying it and defending her is questionable.

im least suspicious of GC. GC makes sense to me.

There’s your answer GC. I don’t necessarily believe that it was a true FOS.

vote: crywolf20084

Why?

This is prior to you asking for a prod for me.

crywolf20084:
The first seven posts by her (I checked the gender this time! ) is no content posts but the last one is interesting

You are no better than me, unless you are one of two roles. Mason, you have someone who is knowning on your side. Or Scum, then you know who you should jump onto.
There are some other things that you maybe a tracker/watcher/cop or some other information gathering role and you know something that I don't at this point of time.

Do you believe that Ether has a power role? And by the way, Ether did ask you who you suspected in post 65 and we are now up in 135. Do you have any suspicions now?

I think Ether’s trying to get complete control of the town, and I’m not about ready to just hand it over, which makes me pretty suspicious.

My rating of everyone: (1-10 10 being scummy, 5 is neutral, meaning I could go either way or there is not much of a read.)
Tisp--5
Fuzzyman—4 Hasn’t done anything yet to make me worry other than the reaching with the names.
Mister Lolipedo-kun—5
q21—4 He’s made sense thus far
Aceagain—6 I’d like to hear from you some more.
Mizzy—6 I would like her to comment a bit more, and I don’t like her ruse about her LA-ness.
Green Crayons –3 He’s struck me the as the most town with the most sense.
corporate—6.5 Some odd moves, like to hear from him again.
Simpor –4.5 He’s pointed out something that I would like answered as well.
Ether—7 Definitely is one that’s been in my radar. I don’t like how she’s been saying “Oh lookie! I’m town. Sooo Town” and the attack then defense of Mizzy, then my vote with nothing said about me in the same post.

So I’m going to do this:

Vote: Ether

[crywolf20084]

crywolf20084:

If you think my work schedule is a ruse, how about you come work these 70-hour weeks for me?

It's pretty easy to call something a ruse without checking into it, isn't it? If anyone had bothered to look, I have posted very little in the other two games I am in, too,

for the same reason

.

I didn't vote you for it. If I was really bothered about it, I would've voted, or I would request that you get a replacement.

I understand the whole 70 hours a week. That's how much I should be doing with school and work combined. I absolutely hated last week with three exams and I have one more week like that coming up on the week of the fifteenth. It sucks I know.

[crywolf20084]

Hold on, I'm at school right now.

Why doesn't this bother you, Corporate? She actually has used this as a crutch, while still being active elsewhere on the site; in contrast, most of Mizzy's recent posts are still here on 707.

Bite me. I need my Bio class for my career. I think that it's a little bit more important than a game, but I'm caught up now am I not?

♥

Crywolf, what don't

you

like from Corporate? Simpor, what do you like from Ped? And why the hell do you care if Crywolf thinks I have a power role?

I don't like his vote without any following reasons. I said that. Read.

Secondly, I do not like how Ether’s practically running the game. Whatever she asks people jump and do it.

So far, I think Patrick's the only person who did something because I asked him. Most of the other efforts to defend my honor is just stuff people felt like doing, which I sometimes appreciate and sometimes don't really care about. I don't think you can name a single spot where I actually called another player to my aid, aside from just to answer direct questions.

No. You practically demanded (that's a bit harsh...) everyone rate this group of five people. Maybe its just the way I you rubbed me.

Actually, I'm seeing a more and more strongly defined split centered around me, and I find it a bit unnerving. By voting me, you're just helping to foster this notion that I'm the most important thing in the game. ._.

vote: crywolf20084

Why?

This is prior to you asking for a prod for me.

Failure to answer my questions; OMGUS to avoid actual content during our enchange; lurking whilst posting elsewhere on the site. I couldn't call the mod in at that time, since you hadn't been gone for 72 hours yet.

Okay. Thank you.

You also states that your unvote of Mizzy was a mistake, implying that your vote belongs there (at least from my understanding). But Mizzy is not high up on your scumlist.. And if you don't think that Mizzy is scum, then your unvote should be correct?

Mizzy - bored now.

At the time, the unvote was an accident. By the time Charter had me blank on the next votecount and I realized my mistake when, I didn't care enough to replace it. I suspected that my vote would be pulling a lurkerhunt in the near future anyway.

I don't think I'll be moving back to Mizzy after she's out of work; the Mizhate is too universal for my tastes. I find myself losing interest in q21 as well, even though he didn't, like, answer my question. It's probably just a subconscious reaction to him backing me up, but then again, I'm starting to get nervous with Ped.

48-hour alert: Tisp

Happy, Ether?

[crywolf20084]

Your blanket FOS, thinking it would truthfully hold up, and these BS statements that are clearly demonstrating that you're not reading anything that we've said.

Unvote, Vote: Corporate

[crywolf20084]

I have a really bad feeling about this.

Corporate. Old account name, and reasons why you're on a new one instead. Now. Thank you.

umm... no

What the hell does that mean?

[crywolf20084]

In other news, no one's commented on my Simpor vote.

Your main point, as much as I can tell from simply skimming the thread, is that Simpor asked Wolf to clarify her point that she thought you had a power role. Did I miss anything else?

While scummish, I don't find it worthy of a vote compared to Mizzy, corp or - if I was to just look at people who were throwing out guesses as to who has power roles - wolf herself.

I don't know if I like your vote on Simpor, Ether. Truthfully, I think Ether's acting very scummy, not power-role-y.

[crywolf20084]

I don't want him to just 'hide.' I wish I could quote the other games he's in, but sadly they are all new games.

Example coming in a moment.

[crywolf20084]

Please List {Fuzzyman, Green Crayons, q21} in order of scumminess.

There. Yeah, you're trying to understand where the town feels for them, but to me it just seemed demanding, despite the 'please'.

I think it's just your way of speaking. It always seems to me pushing to mold the town into your ways of thinking.

[crywolf20084]

I am still unamused by Crywolf's disdain for this specific thread.

I don't have disdain, I'm dealing with some issues. Just always check my sig.

And FYI I was re-reading the thread.

[crywolf20084]

crywolf, did you ever explain why you think leading the town is scummy?

I think trying to lead a town is pretty much 85/15 scummy because the scum want to beable to convince the town who is the 'scum' without drawing much or any attention to themself or their partners. I have always seen scum try to take over the town early to try to win it as early as possible.

[crywolf20084]

crywolf, did you ever explain why you think leading the town is scummy?

I think trying to lead a town is pretty much 85/15 scummy because the scum want to beable to convince the town who is the 'scum' without drawing much or any attention to themself or their partners. I have always seen scum try to take over the town early to try to win it as early as possible.

Without drawing much attention? Leading the town and not drawing attention are mutually exclusive methods of play.

Much

scummy

attention is what I meant.

[crywolf20084]

Corperate PBPA (Times are EST)

Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:19 am: 1st post; He replaced in.

Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:10 pm: 2nd post. Has suspicions but notes no one yet. Says he’s gonna take notes.

Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:28 pm: 3rd post: Pokes at Mizzy’s LA-ness, asks her to replace.

Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:44 pm: #4: the odd posting begins to start. Where he places his “FOS on everyone” Specifically mentions mizzy and ether, but says it’s probably because of they’re the most vocal. Skeptical of mizzy’s posting limitation; calls it defensive; and says ether bought it quickly. Thinks GC is the most likely town.

Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:38 pm : #5: backpedals this is the post because I couldn’t find a way to recap it:

its not exactly because they are vocal, its because they have been more vocal in less creditable subject matter which makes it hard to interpet since the ball is barley rolling. its not exactly anything specific that rubs me wrong im just observing behaviors. and im not sure how i feel about them yet.

and you, GC, are just as vocal. (congratulations, heres a cookie.) but the reason im least bothered by it is because you come across with more sound reasoning and detail. something i need to refine.

and the using real life as a way to dodge questions. hey, it may be a low, shitty tactic. but the objective is to win, and if i was scum i would use every tool at my disposal. im not trying to be unsportsman like or slanderous, but im not going to assume anyones telling the truth about anything, yet.

Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:01 am:#6: Responds to Ether.

youre reading my other games? and im a horrible person?

seems taken aback about someone meta-ing him.

Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:36 pm : #7: Where he gets caught with his FOS on me. Says he thinks meta is scummy. Says we’re digging hard to get anything scummy on him (Ha) Says he’s gonna “Keep his Mafia Experience to [him]self”

Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:38 pm: #8: Practically a double post.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:51 am: #9: Votes for Ether. Says nothing else.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:56 am: #10: Asks if his lack of punctuation is anti-town (No, it’s not but, it’s obnoxious)

and to those who dont like my vote.

tough cookies.

i vote how i want.

Umm…Kay. Don’t like that.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:49 pm: #11: Plenty of sarcasm to go around in this post. He FOS’s himself

of course im defensive. i dont wanna be lynched when im innocent. im a little more concerned with someone who would want to lynch someone for "bad punctuation."

Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:19 pm: #12: Says he’s addressed the post about double standerds (I think it was an easy fall back); Is frustrated that people are pushing stretched cases on him. (I have yet to find a stretched case.)

Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:07 pm: #13

we may as well vote professor plum in the library with the wrench.

That’s all he said.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:26 pm: #14: Says there is no reason to be voting him, Says there is no case.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:40 pm: #15: Still wants to understand the case on him even though it has been told several time.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:00 pm: #16; Post number three asking about the case on him.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:54 pm: #17: Claims that he’s vanilla.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:16 pm: #18:

and to add insult to injury if mizzy and ether would like to vote for me ill go ahead and put the final nail in my coffin. and get this rollin to N1

Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:32 pm: #19; Agrees with the post above him.
Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:59 pm: #20

I have a really bad feeling about this.

Corporate. Old account name, and reasons why you're on a new one instead. Now. Thank you.

umm... no

Oh so helpful[/sarcasm] I would really like to know his alt name.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:18 pm: #21: Claims again as a n00b town this time.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:48 pm: #22: Another useless post.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:50 pm: #23:

no, i dont want out. i want to play. the purpose of a game is to have fun. and i am having fun. we can win this, i still dont think im the best vote for d1 though.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:31 pm:#24 Quotes Mister Lolipedo-kun who says that he doesn’t have a scum read on corperate; corperate uses it for a sig and then gets yelled at for quoting something that’s from an active game.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:41 am: #25: Says everyone is uptight because we told him it needed to be changed.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:36 pm: #26:

I don't want him to just 'hide.' I wish I could quote the other games he's in, but sadly they are all new games.

Example coming in a moment.

i dont read a game unless im in it. thats just always seemed un ethical to me. i understand alot of people disagree with me, but i feel like if your not in a game. that game is none of your business.

Okay, an actual answer from him.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:01 pm: #27: Clearly says he’s choosing to play like the way he is; says he’s participating and trying to be helpful; doesn’t think making walls-o-text are fun, and doesn’t want to make the game into a chore

(Like my wall of text yet, coperate?? I’m just half way.)

Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:12 pm: #28: asks where he said he was a good player. (Let me quote it for you)

i dont think that just because you dont like how i choose to play that makes it scummy. im participating and trying to be helpful. in the way thats fun for me. over analyzing and putting together a wall of text for everything might seem more helpful. and i do agree very much that it can be convincing. but from previous experience it can take some of the fun out of even playing.

im trying not to turn the game into a chore. its better to lose a game you had fun playing, then to win a game that felt like homework.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:26 pm: #29: Another Useless post.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:36 pm: #30: Says his example of demands is a bit extreme

Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:51 pm: #31: Unvoted.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:29 pm: #32:

You call backpedaling? well, i call shenanigans!

Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:48 pm: #33: Contentless post.

Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:29 pm: #34:

alright, alright, this might sound crazy, but i got this idea. how about.... we dont kill corporate.

now i know this might sound off coming from me, but i think its a bad idea. i really trust him, i think it would be a waste of a day. especially day1. sure, he is annoying, but he is also harmless. i know this man! its just this feeling i cant seem to shake.

i say there has to be someone better to lynch. we should just keep him around a little while longer.

I find this very useless and he’s trying to get people to diver t attention from him, and failed miserably. It would’ve been easier to pull out another person, and go after them.

Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:33 am: #35: Contentless not worth noting.

Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:34 am: #36: “Polly want a Cracker?” What?

Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:02 pm: #37: Thinks that simpor had a useful comment; Explains polly want a cracker statement; says that his four-word post was more useful than 237.

Thu Nov 27, 2008 5:09 pm: #38:

why if youd like to see how the case evolves, why not help it evolve instead of opening yourself the door to switch wagons without doing any work?

PBPA on Simpor comming in the next couple of days.

[crywolf20084]

I'm annoyed and kinda disturbed that so many people are so willing to ignore Simpor.

I don't get why people do PBPs, especially in the above manner--the vast majority of that above is something I could have found just as easily by filtering Corporate, and it doesn't even have a nice summary of Crywolf's conclusions at the end. I suppose if it's a comparison she's after, that's nice...but it needn't take more than a few minutes; he only has like eleven posts and they're not that big. I'd still like her to answer the question Patrick originally posed about what games led her to state that "I have always seen scum try to take over the town early to try to win it as early as possible" in her 255.

Hmm. What led you to choose to PBP Corporate and Simpor specifically?

Don't mind q21's Fuzzyvote, especially seeing him popping in just to respond to that without commenting on current events. Having said that, I'm curious what his opinion of Tisp is, considering his stated reason.

I chose simpor and corperate becasue they are the two most scummy in my book, I will have a conclusion post comparing the both of them at the end of simpor's PBPA, which I want to start last night and I'm doing it right now.

[crywolf20084]

Simpor PBPA (Times in EST)

Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:51 pm: #1; Votes for Mizzy, for her latest posting.

Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:56 am: #2: Unvotes and says the game is going fast; Says read up is coming.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:25 am: #3; apologizes for not posting; Notices something between Ether and Mizzy;

Sorry for not posting, busy week and busy weekend.

Reading through the game I have noticed some things, starting with Mizzy and Ether:

Mizzy:

Major FoS: Green Crayons for asking questions that weren't his responsibility to ask and in doing so indirectly protecting Fuzz, giving Fuzz easy-outs by arguing my attacks on him for him, manipulating what I said, and in the span of 3 sentences, cramming in some of the scummiest play I've seen in ages.

Any more BS from you and I'll be moving my vote.

Threats, don't want to have other people ask questions?
Also when canyon argues against her post, mizzy gets a lot to do at work.. But finds time to post 4-5 posts to other questions. And have continued posting.

Ether:
After voting Mizzy and having some pressure on her, he turns and defends Mizzy:

Dislike q21's vote, regardless of Mizzy's alignment.

Posts a scumlist of three players (not including Mizzy) and then the next post want to have answers from her.

No. I'm not thrilled with Mizzy, but I completely believe that her job is serious business. And she still manages to be more active than half the game. I think the focus should move to someone else for today.

More Mizzy defence.

You also states that your unvote of Mizzy was a mistake, implying that your vote belongs there (at least from my understanding). But Mizzy is not high up on your scumlist.. And if you don't think that Mizzy is scum, then your unvote should be correct?

Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:29 am: #4: Comments on Aceagain and corperate.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:58 pm: #5: Comments on myself, fuzzyman, GC, Mister Loliped-kun, and Tisp. No opinions on any of it.

Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:58 pm: #6: Rates the players. Finally has some opinions on them.

Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:37 pm: #7: Responds to Ether; Calls it a responsibility to the town to ask questions.

Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:09 am: #8:

I am more and more thinking about corporate as scum or useless townie.
Useless since most of his post are distractions. He started well but after his fourth or fifth post it went downhill..
And scum, well, should a townie act like this in a game? If he is a townie, then he is removing focus from the scums..

Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:52 am: #9: A post of mumble jumbled quotes that confuse me each time I read it so I’ll quote it.

i started well? what about all the stuff thats going on up there about you? and you bring me back into this? i think everyone already knows im an ass, captain obvious. what about you?

What is there to comment? No one else have picked up Ethers opinion.
And her reasons where:

Not all questions are pro-town. It is not a responsibility as a townie to vocally seek out power roles.

• But not asking wolf who started it... that is strange, and such have GC stated:

  While scummish, I don't find it worthy of a vote compared to Mizzy, corp or - if I was to just look at people who were throwing out guesses as to who has power roles - wolf herself.

And I really hate the fear-mongering generalization you put into your defense.

She asked a question in a rude way, I made a rude response. Simple as that.

And pretty much all Ped's done is agree with me, and I'm tied for highest on your list. So yeah.

Ok, I have you high up on my scum list, so you are voting for me...

polly want a cracker?

That was a very helpful comment...

I think I finally understand it, but I’m not quite sure.

Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:55 am: #10; Quotes mizzy about criminilzing people who have points against him and Simpor asks where he’s done that.

Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:37 am: #11: This is his last post, which puts him in earning of a prod.

This is the only thing in the case then:

Do you believe that Ether has a power role? And by the way, Ether did ask you who you suspected in post 65 and we are now up in 135. Do you have any suspicions now?

And this is her answer

I think Ether’s trying to get complete control of the town, and I’m not about ready to just hand it over, which makes me pretty suspicious.

No one else was making a comment against her post so I asked wolf to see what kind of reaction I would get, she pretty much ignored my question and I didn't ask again.

The biggest difference that I saw between Coperate and Simpor was the amount of posts, and the usefulness of the posts. Where Coperate has posted more, I counted one post that had any actual use, where there are a couple posts (that could’ve been condensed into a single post) that hold some content. IMO neither of them have helped all that much, not as much as one should be. I am happy with my vote on Coperate mostly because of his refusal to comply with a lot of things, like telling us our thoughts. His posts have slightly increased on the helpful side, but I have yet to see him really cooperate. And for his claims, I don’t buy either of them, and I don’t like how he jumped from one to the other.

[crywolf20084]

Much as I approve of pressure on Simpor, your suspicion of him seems to come out of nowhere. I've always been getting the impression you've been reading him as neutral at worst, and I don't think you've really made any points against him. What made him your second best suspect?

At first he was neutral because he had so few posts, but now with 10+ posts, and the usual expanse between the posts, I have a feeling with his supposed limited experience that he doesn't know how to play town.

Thus he's earned spot number two behind my very content post on coperate.

[crywolf20084]

@crywolf

In you post 276 you claim to have come to some understanding of Simpor's 9th post, but you never say what that understanding is. Could you please post what that understanding was, else it looks like that part of you post is simply there to add volume.

i started well? what about all the stuff thats going on up there about you? and you bring me back into this? i think everyone already knows im an ass, captain obvious. what about you?

What is there to comment? No one else have picked up Ethers opinion.
And her reasons where:

Not all questions are pro-town. It is not a responsibility as a townie to vocally seek out power roles.

I believe this quote is from Ether.

• But not asking wolf who started it... that is strange, and such have GC stated:

  While scummish, I don't find it worthy of a vote compared to Mizzy, corp or - if I was to just look at people who were throwing out guesses as to who has power roles - wolf herself.

This quote is from GC, I know that one for a fact.

And I really hate the fear-mongering generalization you put into your defense.

She asked a question in a rude way, I made a rude response. Simple as that.

..I really don't know this one.

And pretty much all Ped's done is agree with me, and I'm tied for highest on your list. So yeah.

Ok, I have you high up on my scum list, so you are voting for me...

Or this one, for that matter.

polly want a cracker?

That was a very helpful comment...

As for what he was trying to say, I think he was trying to get his way out of a bit of rolefishing, because he asked me if I was rolefishing, which i was not.

Hope that helped.

@Simpor: Please I would love for you to clairify if I'm worng, and maybe explain why you were using these quotes?

[crywolf20084]

Simpor it helps if you do this:

Code: Select all

[quote="Name of the Writer]blahblahblah[/quote]

Its the lack of names with several different people your quoting, or at least that's how it seems.

[crywolf20084]

>< I screwed that up.

Code: Select all

[quote="Name"]blah[/quote]

[crywolf20084]

the Fourth and Fifth quotes do not have any sort of reconigtion.

[crywolf20084]

I didn't. Thank you for fixing it.

[crywolf20084]

Crywolf: you have accepted that I am a pro-town towngoer who glows radiantly with towniness and has only the best interests of the town at heart (y/n). We'll go forward from there.

I chose to ignore this for a reason. Seriously, I don't like when people go spewing "Lookie at meee!! I'm tooooooown!!!!"

[crywolf20084]

Yes my answer is no.

[crywolf20084]

Okay, then.

Please state your opinion of Simpor's ninth post now.

I don't get it. The only thing I understood out of it was what GC said. And even when Simpor clairfied the quote tags, I am still confused on why he was quoted all of them.

Please cite the games you've played/read that gave you impression that scum are more likely to try to control the town. Do not stall any longer, and kindly explain why you have ignored my and Patrick's questioning this far. Thank you.

I have not ignored Patrick's posts. I have commented to them all, at least i believe so, I have to go back and . You asked the same questions, I just happened to quote Patrick.

I do not like that you are suddenly supposedly listening to me and expressing suspicions of the guy I've been pressuring, and are in fact not mentioning me directly despite my place on his wagon,

and have PBP'd him but not me,

but are not willing to vote him. This is not a question; you are not expected to respond. But you can if you'd like to.

To the bolded: One is coming. But you're a lot harder to do a PBPA on and I'm pretty limited with my acess due to finals for my english over the next week. (thank god.)

[crywolf20084]

Can you link to completed games that made you think scum are more likely to lead the town?

You have

still

not answered this.

Here is one, but the one I would love to link another one but it's still on going.

i started well? what about all the stuff thats going on up there about you? and you bring me back into this? i think everyone already knows im an ass, captain obvious. what about you?

What is there to comment? No one else have picked up Ethers opinion.

Pointing out something which Corporate should comment on. Perfectly valid. This then degenerates into an utterly moronic tangent against me without a single valid point.

I agree with you here, that Simpor does go on quotes you without much of a reason...Its kinda like he thinks quoting you would make things all better.

[/b]

And her reasons where:

Not all questions are pro-town. It is not a responsibility as a townie to vocally seek out power roles.

• But not asking wolf who started it... that is strange, and such have GC stated:
  

  While scummish, I don't find it worthy of a vote compared to Mizzy, corp or - if I was to just look at people who were throwing out guesses as to who has power roles - wolf herself.

  First off, he doesn't actually address his fishing; he just tries to deflect it by asserting that Crywolf had done the same thing. But she

  hadn't;

  she was just trying to maintain some petty moral high ground over me when I was harassing her about her activity. And I

  had

  already covered this in 207.

And I really hate the fear-mongering generalization you put into your defense.

Actually, I don't get why he quoted this, either. He doesn't actually provide a defense against it.

Ditto.

She asked a question in a rude way, I made a rude response. Simple as that.

My question about Ped was perfectly polite. My question about his fishing was ruder, because it's bad play.

And pretty much all Ped's done is agree with me, and I'm tied for highest on your list. So yeah.

Ok, I have you high up on my scum list, so you are voting for me...

This is both an ad hominem and a strawman. He takes the time to highlight that I am aware that he expressed some idiot suspicion of me, and uses this to try and paint my vote as pure OMGUS. He ignores my actual point about the fishiness of his opinion of Ped.

polly want a cracker?

That was a very helpful comment...

Wrapping up this noble effort to improve Corporate's play.

I really don't understand why coperate even said that, and why it was worth noting.

So that should clear things up. ^_^

[crywolf20084]

Crywolf: although I didn't read the game you linked to, I did run some calculations on the postcounts. (I can post this in full if you'd like: as a summary, the average postcount of a townie who lived to endgame was 48; the average for a scumbag was 47. You pushed up the scum average by being the highest poster; the other two scum both posted less than average. Nonetheless...I'm surprised.) This is just postcount, and it could misrepresent the amount of scum-leading actually going on, but I feel too lazy to look into that.

Er. That's not how it usually works?

It's the content in that game. And if Fyxxs hadn't jumped ship, he would've won for most controling scum in that game.

You bring up vaild points, which I agree with, also Simpor last couple posts, He's jumped up above corperate in my book so:

Unvote; Vote: Simpor

@Simpor: I may not like Ether, but those are not reachy reasons. Actually they are very vaild.

@Coperate: I'm not done with you, your posts have gotten

slightly

better yes, but I would love to see exactly why you changed your vote.

[crywolf20084]

@crywolf

you mean were passed the random voting phase? :p

..... I refuse to go there corperate.


@Simpor: I too would like to see who you seem scummy, and the why part would be really nice.

@Ether: I don't think I'm gonna post my PBPA on you because, A) It's too long already and i doubt i'm halfway done, and B) out of the context of the rest of the posts, I think I'm starting to understand you. I'll have some thoughts

[crywolf20084]

Mizzy, are you complaining about the derailed Corpwagon? You should come vote Simpor with us.

No, I'm not. I wasn't convinced of the wagon then and I am less so now.

If I'm lynched this day it's going to be really interesting to see what the rest of you in the town will think of Ethers posts, since I will turn up as a townie.

In cry's words: "Lookie at meee!! I'm tooooooown!!!!"

Cry:

Why did you call out Ether's townie-talk but not Simpor's? I see you voted him but it surprised me that you were specific at Ether but not Simpor.

I do like the Simpor wagon in a way because he stinks of scum, but like corporate seemed to be, he could be another unhelpful townie. Two votes and a threatened vote worry me...the shit is rolling downhill too fast.

I didn't notice it, but it's not as obvious as Ether's; ie:

Crywolf: you have accepted that I am a pro-town towngoer who glows radiantly with towniness and has only the best interests of the town at heart (y/n). We'll go forward from there.

She said town four times in that statement, where as Simpor's is a claim to towniness that I do not believe.

[crywolf20084]

10] Once a person has been lynched, the game is in twilight until I post the death scene. Players may continue posting anything until then. The lynch cannot be undone.

Uhh..Ether, Fuzzy's vote was the hammer so thus your unvote doens't count...

@GC First language would've worked...

[crywolf20084]

hehe my primary language is not english!

crywolf20084:
fuzzy's vote was not the hammer since patrick made an unvote

I missed that. X.x that's what I get for reading after midnight.

[crywolf20084]

Unvote; Vote: Coperate

Seriously Coperate, learn how to be helpful, and don't just tell us you're bored.

[crywolf20084]

I've gone between three people, who are my top three: You, Simpor, and Ether.

[crywolf20084]

no i was not willing to hammer him. i was trying to bring attention to what i thought was a L1 situation.

i dont want to vote for him cuz i think fuzzy and cry are more scum then he is.

Do you even have a reason why you think i'm scum???

[crywolf20084]

On a similar note:

Crywolf, if you're still going back and forth on me I'm going to need those thoughts you promised.

>< Stupid quota. Here's a

My Scum List

Corperate=Simpor
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
Ether
.
.
Everyone I don't have much of a read on.

There is not much seperating coperate and Simpor, and you just happen to be number three on my scum list because of your "Look at my Amazing Townieness" statments that keep poping up.

[crywolf20084]

...Nice fuzzy that jumps out at me queit a bit.

My Scum List

SCUM
Corperate=Simpor
.
.
.
.
.
.
Fuzzy
.
.
.
.
.
.
Patrick=Empking=Ether=Tisp
.
.
GC
TOWN

No Reads:Mizzy

[crywolf20084]

Yes but at the way your going in my books and the way that Tisp is going, it won't be long that you two have been changed.

[crywolf20084]

@q21: I had something in mind when I wrote that and now I really wish I could remember what the hell I was getting at.

[crywolf20084]

If I could remember I would tell you guys in a heart beat.

[crywolf20084]

@GC: I would have to pick either corperate or simpor. The timing would have a say in it, as well as each persons most recent posts.

[crywolf20084]

So technically you just did vote for fuzzy, seeing as how it's bolded.

[crywolf20084]

Okay! My other example of leading the town (In context) turns out to be scum.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0 Bah Finally finished. DOubt you have time to read a 50 page game though.

[crywolf20084]

You made a replace or lynch dichotomy. 9/10 in a game with 1 kill N0, not lynching and just replacing will help the scum.

How? How will just replacing help the scum? The only way it helps the scum is if he IS scum, and the odds of that, just looking at the numbers, are much worse than the odds of him being town.

Longer days and more information are almost always better for the town.

QFT

[crywolf20084]

Edit/Add-on: I'm finally done with my final for English so I'll be catching up tonight and tomorrow before I go to work.

[crywolf20084]

Sorry about the lack of posting here. I just got done with my exams today (yay!!). Prior to the end of the day my scum list was.

...Nice fuzzy that jumps out at me queit a bit.

My Scum List

SCUM
Corperate=Simpor
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.
.
.
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Fuzzy
.
.
.
.
.
.
Patrick=Empking=Ether=Tisp
.
.
GC
TOWN

No Reads:Mizzy

Clearly I was wrong with that.


Revised:

My Scum List

SCUM
Fuzzy
.
.
Corperate
.
.
.
.
.
Ether (For the sudden lurking) + Mizzy
.
Empking
.
.
Myko
GC
TOWN

[crywolf20084]

so, crywolf are you just going to pop in every few days and re arange your scum list, or what?

Uh no. Myko asked me what my scum list was, there it is. I now have

time

, it'll be a lot easier to post something.

[crywolf20084]

I feel Empking is scummy. That could simply be because of the way he plays. I need to read over his play and decide which, something I'll do when I get the chance.

Right now I'd like to ask crywolf two things about her scumlist in post 607. Why am I not on it? Where would I go? Call me self-centred if you want to, but I don't like the way she's just left me out of her analysis... twice.

...I did? Doesn't matter you're not that scummy in my book. You'd be right there with GC--well..you'd replace GC in his spot and GC would jump up a little bit. He had all this to say the first day and nothing today.

[crywolf20084]

Also Anti-Town =/= Scummy.

Anti-Town can equal Scum. Doesn't always happen that way, but it can.

ok, lets put in a better format

GC is town: he didn't know simpor was town, lynched him for antitown, scummy actions.
GC is scum: he saw an easy mislynch, made himself look town and lynched simpor.

Nothing wrong with the second, but also nothing with the first.

A mislynch is not a scumtell: would be fun, you would have more then half of the town as scum

The above that has been bolded is mine, in which i thoroughly agree with.

[crywolf20084]

Vote: Empking

Your posts are ridiculous. I cannot believe that you think GC was only going after Simpor. He went after Mizzy hardcore for quiet a bit. Then went to corperate, myself, and THEN Simpor.

Get your facts straight.

[crywolf20084]

We know who isn't helping. The person who's only target is the (confirmed) Pro-town Simpor.

There. To me that sounds like your talking about GC had only one target.

[crywolf20084]

Mish-mash of my thoughts.

You are no better than me, unless you are one of two roles. Mason, you have someone who is knowning on your side. Or Scum, then you know who you should jump onto.
There are some other things that you maybe a tracker/watcher/cop or some other information gathering role and you know something that I don't at this point of time.

Ether seems to think that this isn't a big deal, but crywolf totally made a jump here that I think is pretty big. The above quote is in reference to Ether's comment: "I'm summarizing my behavior toward you: ... getting annoyed because you had the nerve to insinuate that

I was no better than you

." That emphasis was crywolf's in her response, not in Ether's original post. But it should be noted that this emphasized portion wasn't Ether referencing knowing more about the game. At all. She was talking about being productive and active and otherwise helpful. So from that, crywolf suddenly thinks (as seen in the pulled quote above) that somehow Ether was flaunting a power-role status. Or a lack thereof. The whole thing just seems off since Ether was talking about involvement and crywolf started talking about who has (and has not) power roles. And who better to know if someone has a scum power role or not? It just strikes me as funny (in a weird way), and I don't see how it's not as suspicious (if not more so) as Simpor taking this thread and running with it. I'll also note that she picks up this thread even after Simpor, and on 206 comments upon her thoughts re: Ether's power-role status. Because...?

I don't know if I like your vote on Simpor, Ether. Truthfully, I think Ether's acting very scummy, not power-role-y.

The above comes from November 25th. On November 29th, crywolf does her PBP analysis of Simpor. When questioned by Patrick about her apparent heel-faced turn, her response is: "At first he was neutral because he had so few posts, but now with 10+ posts, and the usual expanse between the posts, I have a feeling with his supposed limited experience that he doesn't know how to play town." It should be noted that between her not-comfortable-with-Ether's-vote-on-Simpor stage (she thought he was only a 4.5 on November 23rd, after all) and her PBP (which notably lacked any hard points against Simpor other than a summary), Simpor only posts four times. So within the time span of four days and with four posts, she is confident to say that because of the "usual expanse between the posts" (which simple math averages one post per day during the time period where she had a change of heart) is extensive, she apparently feels that Simpor is second in line to be scum because of his apparently purposeful lack of activity. It just looks like re-positioning.

Add-on: And your last sentence, especially the words "and pointing out that I myself am not lurking is "too far."" is pretty much waving a neon sign saying: LOOK I'm acting town!!!

I chose to ignore this for a reason. Seriously, I don't like when people go spewing "Lookie at meee!! I'm tooooooown!!!!"

Are you really accusing someone for being too townie? Seriously, I think you infected Mizzy. Get yourself detoxed.


So, yeah. I find crywolf suspicious. Somehow makes a leap that Ether is somehow alluding to the fact that she does/doesn't have a power role and faults her for it. Then she faults Ether again for contributing and wanting others to contribute, classifying it as an attempt to "control the town" ...by asking them to contribute by answering questions. Then faults Ether again for being too much of a townie. It's like she has some underlying motive for attempting to heap suspicion on Ether for no good reason. I'll note at this moment in time that Simpor has also kept Ether high on his suspicion list.

And her heel faced turn re: Simpor is super weak.



Ether: Why should I vote Simpor? I'll delve into why I can't currently buy into a vote for him, and you help me see things your way.

Your original assertion was that he was fishing for power roles... but crywolf pulled power roles out of her ass, laid it on the table for everyone to see/comment upon, and then even picked up the conversation later.

You then (post 207) say you dislike the juxtaposition of "How dare you ask me about Ped" and "I like questions," but those aren't quotes, they're paraphrased sentences and you ignore a part of his post entirely... which completely and totally warps what the post was.

You asked: Simpor, what do you like from Ped?

And why the hell

do you care if Crywolf thinks I have a power role? (My emphasis.)
He responded: I could ask you,

why the hell

do you care what I like about Ped? (My emphasis.)

If you don't see that he was mimicking your tone/word usage, you're being willfully blind. Hardly an "overreaction" (as you framed it in your post 246), at least no more so than your original overreacting in phrasing such a statement. He also responds to your question, further showing that he wasn't saying "How dare you ask me about Ped" but saying "Why do you have to be so abrasive and because I'm reacting to your perceived hostility I'm going to be abrasive right back at you." The straw-man argument re: fear mongering is shaky, simply because it was a general statement that is, generally, true.

What I saw about Simpor was more that he seemed to go to some length to avoid explaining why he asked the question in the first place, instead he seemed to throw it back at Ether, then pointing to crywolf with a, "but she did it as well!" type of defence (which I would disagree with anyway). He has actually answered it now, but not especially convincingly;

seems kind of obvious he was asking her for a reaction. Why would it have been useful to get crywolf's take on whether or not Ether's a powerole

?

This is the only real thing I can get behind in suspecting Simpor.


Ether/Patrick: If Simpor turns up town, who should we have lynched instead? If Simpor turns up scum, who is most likely to be the scum-buddies?

Vote: crywolf

, because a no vote is a wasted vote. And she's most suspicious to me at this point.

Is this one sentence, Emp?

One more post I believe.

[crywolf20084]

Okay you never said anything about GC being the driving force to Simpor's lynch but you did say that

We know who isn't helping. The person who's only target is the (confirmed) Pro-town Simpor.

that to me seems like a person who has flippin' tunnel vision. You had your sites on GC since you came into this game. You only changed to fuzzy and clearly you've seemed to come off of him.

We know who isn't helping. The person who's only target is the (confirmed) Pro-town Simpor.

There. To me that sounds like your talking about GC had only one target.

Your point?

The fact that's completely dropped it, suggests that he did not legitimitely think you're scum.

Yes well I shall not quote the numerous posts he had about corperate, or Mizzy for that matter.

[crywolf20084]

The thing is, you're reaching hard for a case on GC that simply doesn't exist.

This.

[crywolf20084]

He is at L-1 if I'm not wrong. That's why I wait with my vote.

L-2 I thought. There's myself, Fuzzy, and Q21. That's all I think.

[crywolf20084]

o________o are you kidding me?????????????????

Is that the only thing you have against GC is the fact

YOU

think he's strawman-ing??? Wow. Do you realize how reachy of a case that is???

[crywolf20084]

In my own words?

It's reachy. All you have done is pull this case out of your ass since the moment you replaced in.

@GC: I too would like to see where your attentions are going to go.

[crywolf20084]

care to tell us where your attention can go, without mentioning emp? He is doing a good job of getting himself lynched.

Anyways, I hope to reread

Mizzy and Fuzz

during the holiday times. They're still on my top three list.

Bolded for Emp.

See he hasn't all together dropped those cases.

[crywolf20084]

GC was voting Myk despite not considering him in his top three. Not reachy.

Actually, I'm not sure that we know his entire top three, only that Mizzy and I are in it.

...Fuzzy you realize that statement is really dumb. We know his entire top three...Emp, Mizzy, and yourself....1, 2, 3...

Now what we don't know is his entire scum list top to bottom. Which doesn't concern me at the moment.

[crywolf20084]

Also, lets not ignore how scummy this post is, regardless of who its aimed at.

3. I'm making .a case out of nothing. Completely unbacked up without evidence

Thanks for pointing that out, since I don't remember you ever coherently stating your reasons for suspecting GC.

Check my posts.

I think your the one that needs to go through your posts and read them. Clearly you don't know what you wrote.

[crywolf20084]

That makes no sense, Emp. Please use complete sentences.

[crywolf20084]

Glad someone understood why he was trying to get at, because I wasn't.

[crywolf20084]

I want to know where Ether went. She is suddenly VERY quiet.

[crywolf20084]

No. I wouldn't. She just had opinions. And corperate has disapeared now too so... I dunno.

[crywolf20084]

Got the prod, i just haven't had anything to say, I would

love

to hear from the other lurkers.

[crywolf20084]

Crazy week over. Catching up tonight after work and tomorrow. (Don't work. )

[crywolf20084]

Okay..so this whole mean bluehost stuff has screwed me over. Post coming...

[crywolf20084]

@Q21: I'm not sure right now. I don't know how many times I can read D1...I'm not getting anything out of it. I would like to see Ether post something. (Don't think I'm fixating on her, she just hasn't said much today, and it bugs me.) Fuzz and Emp are still my top two with a slowly rising Ether. I don't like how she went from total and constant activity with constant harking on the lurkers, to none. Hypocritical in my book.

[crywolf20084]

Read: I can cite posts where I say that a.) hypocrisy is not a scumtell and b.) I hate hypocrites.

)

I never said that it was a scumtell, I just said you were being one. And it has no bearing on what I think of you.

As for my veiw point on Myko, he's leaning on the town side for me. He hasn't said one thing that has made me think that he's scum.

[crywolf20084]

GC, CW, Ether.

Town Scum, what the hell is this.

_{Sorry for the double post this just caught my eye}

[crywolf20084]

Okay, well it would've made sense if he had said, "My top three are:" intstead of just saying three names.

[crywolf20084]

Because, until I find somewhere better to put it, its gonna stay.

[crywolf20084]

Seriously, You waited to out a guilty..? You have had it for

that

long?

[crywolf20084]

Umm...Ether, in case you haven't noticed, I have been looked at for looking at

you.

So...Your vote is not a shock to anyone.

[crywolf20084]

Unvote/Vote: Ether

You went from being way lower on my scum list to the top. You voted me without a case, and I have a very big feeling that you're scum. You went from leading the town, all while you kept

saying

you were town, and then you've turned over a lurker leaf. Now you are (thankfully) back and with this BS vote on me, while most have decided that I have actively been actively scum hunting. I have this major scum vibe coming from you and I would like to see you get lynched.

This is where my vote is gonna stay until you're gone.


PS: Is this noticeable enough for you??

[crywolf20084]

Merrrrr.... _{I hate to agree with Ether}, but after recent posts by Mizzy, I have been very inclined to change my vote....

[crywolf20084]

Still waiting on me for what Ether?

[crywolf20084]

Lied about what GC?

[crywolf20084]

She. SHE. God how hard is it to remember that?

And okay so i assumed i was in the clear, guess not. I'm gonna post after I finish my chem and precalc homework.

[crywolf20084]

Okay, so, maybe i got a false sense of security with Myko's posts. They don't seem scummy to me, but that would require a read through of his posts in isolation.

Unvote/Vote: Mizzy

The posts on pg 37. are really starting to get to me. Her reasons are more BS than Ether's

lack

of reasons.

And i'm sure most of you are wanting a claim. I'm a bank patron aka vanilla townie.

[crywolf20084]

It's not a fuckin OMGUS vote. Read what you have written in context and out of context of the game. 99.99999999% of it is bull shit.

[crywolf20084]

I'm going to reread the last pages to see what I think about the CW case but CW is acting very scummy. I really don't like the claim at three votes thing.

I love how this flew under the radar.

Emp, I was at L-1, and there were several people willing to hammer me otherwise. I didn't care that I only had three votes right there.

[crywolf20084]

A) Hi Bionic.

B) Post coming after my math class which I'm leaving for in less than ten minutes.

[crywolf20084]

Working on my post right now.

[crywolf20084]

Bite me it's only half done. There were a lot of things that people wanted me to answer.

[crywolf20084]

Wolf - out of curiosity -what program do you use to write your responses in?

I write it on word, and I was in class when I posted that. Give me an hour and it'll be done.

[crywolf20084]

Just so you all know I’m going by person… much easier to find the posts that way.

I'd still like Crywolf to explain her read on Mykonian.

As I look back on this statement, and in the recent light of things I guess I had a sense of security in the way Myko posts. I am now getting the feeling he’s budding up to me to make me an easy lynch to jump onto if needed. *sigh*

The lurker point is fair on its own--I very much believe that lurking is a scumtell. But it's kind of a running gag that I'm a hypocrite and proud. [/b]

Read: I can cite posts where I say that a.) hypocrisy is not a scumtell and b.) I hate hypocrites.

)[/b]

I have already addressed the bolded part above, and would like to say it again. You were being very pushy on the lurkers day one, and then you in turn went lurking. Apart of my vote on you was because of that, even though you’ve started to post again.

You went from being way lower on my scum list to the top. You voted me without a case, and I have a very big feeling that you're scum. You went from leading the town, all while you kept saying you were town, and then you've turned over a lurker leaf. Now you are (thankfully) back and with this BS vote on me, while most have decided that I have actively been actively scum hunting. I have this major scum vibe coming from you and I would like to see you get lynched.

This is where my vote is gonna stay until you're gone.

Pointless flourishing. You have a big feeling that I'm scum that you're not gonna back, so I'll return the favor. The town agreed yesterday that you were fit to lead them, and you kept saying you were town. Today you lurked for a bit, but anyway, your vote now sucks. The town agrees that I have been actively scumhunting and I am totally actively scumhunting you are so wrong about me die scum die. More flourishing.

Fo' sho.

It's noticeable, yeah, but not in a good way.

Pffft. You just have like you said you have deep rooted issues. Though, I like your interpretation of me [/sarcasm]

(Also, I would say that Crywolf's vote

was

OMGUS, and in a bad way, but I hate having OMGUS debates because I use a nonstandard definition for it and keep having to throw disclaimers in when I talk about it on most other people's terms. I assume you're insinuating that I'm scum with Mizzy, since that's the only way that worrying about her interpretations makes sense.)

A very MINUTE part is OMGUS. When I go to responding to mizzy’s posts you’ll see my reasons for voting for her.

Not a robber.

(That is, default, presumably a guilty to you.)

Grrr… I hate every time I go through and do a re-read on you in iso, I tend to find you more town like than in context….I must say I like when a townie says “I’m not scum” much more than “I am town. Look at me flaunt it.” Like you had earlier.


Here's my responses to Ether's posts. I'm going to do Mizzy, then GC and myko right now. I just wanted to get this in before the deadline i had placed on myself.

[crywolf20084]

...Well, that made my mind up for me.

Myk has pointed out that cry hasn't done very much that has been noticeable (other than attack Ether) and not only do I agree with that but I see cry getting right back into the same rut as she was in before. She's not scumhunting. If anything, she's acting on gut, which at this point in the game, is very anti-town in my eyes.

I mentioned before that I was neutral (with a side of suspicion) about:

Fuzzyman
Empking
crywolf20084
mykonian

Fuzzy claimed cop, which I won't second guess at this time, and mykonian claimed miller, which again, I have no reason to doubt so will accept as true, tentatively. And Emp I think is just a crappy player but not necessarily scum (I'm leaning town on him.) That leaves:

Fuzzyman

Empking

crywolf20084

mykonian

Out of the other folks, corporate is innocent if Fuzzy & myk are to be believed, and since I am accepting that for the moment:

Ether

corporate

q21

And there is the potential scumteam.

Looking at this, it makes sense that cry and Ether have been at each others' throats; distancing. And neither of them have done much that's been noteworthy which makes me think they are flying under the radar.

Thus:

Vote: crywolf20084

for a blatant OMGUS vote, a shitty case, and being a hypocrite. Along the rest of the case above. And

FoS: Ether and q21.

Let the flame wars ensue.

This post is the one deciding factor on my vote for Mizzy. See bolded stuff above.

I HATE this statement. I know I’m not distancing myself from Ether at all. Ether might have just picked me as an easy target (Understandable. I would try. But after my last post I’m back to leaning Ether as town. _{grumblegrumble}). So I may start to consider Q21 as scum that you are trying to bus.

My vote stands.

Now onto Myko, GC, and probably Q21 now too. This one may have to wait until after I'm done with my chemistry and precalc, art, and music homework.

[crywolf20084]

Is that the half you had already written or the part you wrote in the last hour?

seems like you already know the answer...

I like hearing tall tales.

I had some of that written. Trust me, I have not had much time to look at this. Sorry. I didn't think this semester and my job would kick my ass in such a way.

[crywolf20084]

Is that the half you had already written or the part you wrote in the last hour?

seems like you already know the answer...

I like hearing tall tales.

I had some of that written. Trust me, I have not had much time to look at this. Sorry. I didn't think this semester and my job would kick my ass in such a way.

So half complete was - at best - an extreme exaggeration?

Extreme no. An exaggeration, yeah I can agree to that.

[crywolf20084]

Good game all... I apologize for my lurkiness...and in activity. A lot came up in my life killing my ability and willingness to play because of the shit i was dealing with didn't help...