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[Yeet]

Phone dropping my current reads before I sleep for reference:

Math
skitter Datisi Baltar Nero cape deasvail enchant - feel decent about these being town for now
Scorpious - ??
fire April tenebro eyes Malcolm frog std - would guess most scum are here

Here is where I was at last night, for reference.

[Yeet]

More info to go on. I change my reads based on new information. Primarily it has been reasons to think people were town I previously thought were scum.

[Yeet]

Should I be townreading you, Malcolm? I noticed quite a few others think you are townie however it is hard for me to read you as such. I can’t find any reasons to scumread you either, you’re just very null all around to me.

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Actually maybe that’s not quite accurate. In general I am more of a townhunter and I don’t get scumpings that often. So it’s more of people going from null to town for me rather than scum to town (like Datisi skitter and fua are the 3 I can think of that went scum to town for me).

[Yeet]

More info to go on. I change my reads based on new information. Primarily it has been reasons to think people were town I previously thought were scum.

But having more info to go on also should make it easier to SR other people no? Like I'm baffled how a few select posts early on had you reaching immediate conclusions, whereas now with thousands of posts you say you're struggling to have any conclusive thoughts.

If you are mafia then I suppose there's a logic where you go in early with lots of reads because it's fundamentally hard for anyone to prove them - part of the early game is throwing around shit and seeing what sticks and provoking people into interesting responses, but if you're mafia it's arguably more difficult to feign interest in someone because they have more evidence with which to mount a defence. But such an approach would still allow you to build a reputation as an engaged player with "reads" instead of someone sitting back and not saying as much.

This scum narrative seems like a big stretch. I think you are severely fitting reasons to your read at this point. I’m not really struggling to have reads, I just have more townreads than before. Like I said I’m more of a townhunter.

It’s not a fluff question - not everyone as town thinks they should be townread given their play and scum will sometimes give dumb fake reasons

Should I be townreading you, Malcolm? I noticed quite a few others think you are townie however it is hard for me to read you as such. I can’t find any reasons to scumread you either, you’re just very null all around to me.

I mean yes, you should be TR'ing me, but then I'm obviously going to say that irrespective of my alignment so this feels like a fluff question.

But I'd say my reads have been fairly consistent while being relaxed enough for me to change my mind and update my reads on new info which helps the town. Eg I town read you early on but your play since later in turn one has struck me as increasingly mafia. I pushed tenebros early on, got more of a town vibe, and now get a mafia vibe again. I'm trying to back up any assertions I have with proper evidence and I don't think I've been agenda-driven in a way mafia might be.

[Yeet]

frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far

Why?

i guess my best answer to both is i'm concerned more about yeet than i am about frogs at this point

Why?

[Yeet]

That was early game with little to go on so it’s good to poke things aggressively to get things moving. The gamestate has matured.

[Yeet]

Hammering Datisi soon was sort of a joke.

[Yeet]

Re skim of ISO, weird naked adamance in pushing me
Skimming Malcolm’s provided ISO
Math’s adamance against the wagon

Enough to make me think it’s certainly possible this is town!Frogster.

These are terrible reasons to lose spine on a wagon, and especially to townread frogster

I don’t know how you can call them terrible if I didn’t even go into detail of them. Which I don’t really feel like doing now before Frogster comes and posts more?

“I reskimmed their ISO and reevaluated them, read an example of their townplay”, these are bad reasons but themselves?

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Do I give you a similar impression, fire?

yeet was there a reason you asked this?

I thought that your accusation of tenebro sort of applied to me too with how people have been treating me in this gamestate. It made me wonder why you were singling him out/if you felt the way others do about me.

[Yeet]

I said Cape was town after his reaction. I kind of vanity voted Malcolm because I’m going around poking my nullreads.

Do you think we’re in a good spot here as town? My tone may be different because I’m sensing more anxiety about losing. Scum are playing and hiding well and town did not exactly kill D1. The 2 early fights looked TvT which is never a good sign.

[Yeet]

I’ve mentioned a few times before VP said it that Frogster was not nearly as town for me as before.

[Yeet]

I said Cape was town after his reaction. I kind of vanity voted Malcolm because I’m going around poking my nullreads.

Do you think we’re in a good spot here as town? My tone may be different because I’m sensing more anxiety about losing. Scum are playing and hiding well and town did not exactly kill D1. The 2 early fights looked TvT which is never a good sign.

I think we are in an okay spot.
Negativity like this is not good however.

Maybe I’m just being a dramatic pessimist. We’re probably not in terrible shape yet but it could be if we don’t play the next two days or so correctly. I don’t mean to make the atmosphere negative.

[Yeet]

STD that phone post is basically splitting my reads into TRs and not
not TRs, not scumreads.

[Yeet]

so, like, in total? 6.5/10, my gamestate reads aren't always great, but i would not mind a wagon here

what does a 6.5/10 mean?

official datisi rating of the scorpious wagon

btw can we kill enchant pls he's like blatantly scum who's coasting on a bullshit vig claim

I could see it but Enchant is just kind of a troll as either alignment iirc. It’s not enough for me to back out on fua atm. Fua was a bit too townie/vig-like for me I think.

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STD, a lot of my game is finding things that ping me and pushing them to see what happens. The hammer from Cape had scum!motivation possible behind it so it was a natural place to start putting pressuring.

[Yeet]

Because the later ones are the ones that actually kill the slot? And fua was vote 9.

[Yeet]

Why are you vote flopping so much? Like what is that achieving?

my current point with the votes (other than leaving landmarks for future!datisi to go through) is gathering information. either by actually building a wagon or seeing who's against it. whatever wagon i get on, someone pops in from the aether to convince everyone that that wagon is Bad, Actually. even if none of the reactions are immediately useful to me, they might be in the future.

I agree with this and it is partly why I am doing the same.

[Yeet]

Flavor and VP seem fine

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Flavor feels way too relaxed for this to be his scumgame.

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I don't get the MalcolmTucker suspicion, I think they have well thought out posts

I mean yes but maybe he’s still scum?

[Yeet]

I don’t really like either of the tene or Baltar wagons. I’d prefer a null slot like Malcolm but I just have like zero case on him.

[Yeet]

VOTE: fireisredsirVOTE: ??

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VOTE: fireisredsir

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I don’t really get the case on VP can someone quote/summarize it?

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Idk this just feels like town VP by gut maybe he’s big braining here but it seems like his townplay

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Then again, I do have like 5000 townreads this game so

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VP Baltar when was the last time you got elimmed as either town or scum?

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Serious question: Are we looking for scum or are we looking for things we don't like in each other's playstyles? because it seems to me everybody has been looking on the game from their own perspective and how the other should be playing not whether the other is making something that looks like it's scum driven.

Also everybody (in general and not just in this game) assume they are smart and everybody else is dumb. "scum will push this and not that" may only work if -say- someone is being tricky, but I don't think having a different opinion or changing one's opinion or some other shit that every player does regardless of their alignment qualifies as a reason to scum read someone.

@Deas: regarding 3702 what would you have done in that situation? Imagine that you were not being pushed at one point and then the tide changes and you are the leading wagon. Would you still sit back and relax or would you try to at least defend yourself? I think we both know the answer to that and that -again- is regardless of the color of your PM.

This is a good post.

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Emotionally I agree with a lot of Flavor’s reads but I would be really surprised if skitter was scum.

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VOTE: Malcolm

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I support this wagon!

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I like the case

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I’m gonna be honest I’m not reading stuff super carefully but what I’ve seen aligns with what I agree with so yeah

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You were likely to die last game too…

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Thicc townblocc

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Goodnight fams

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Idk I just assumed

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I already mentioned that I am an alt and I have a few games of experience, none of this should be news. I briefly reviewed parts of the game that Math was talking about since there is a lot of plist overlap, but obviously I didn’t go into too much depth.

Deas’s townpoints on Malcolm are not convincing to me, but I am certainly biased there.

[Yeet]

I really doubt April’s agenda here is to pocket me by going at Malcolm and use arguments that specifically I find appealing which is why I feel so comfortable blatantly sheeping here.

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It’s an agenda that shouldn’t appeal to that many people so for a good scum like Flavor to use this strategy is very ?? To me

[Yeet]

I haven’t thought that far yet, honestly

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What do you have against alts

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Don’t alts help that issue by not making reading that slot meta focused? Like my slot might be more of a meta discussion without the alt, but since I’m playing on an alt, the only thing you have to evaluate me is my play here.

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VOTE: Yeet

Constant vote changes, terrible logic for all of them. A prime suspect I reckon.

A prime suspect you reckon? Why did you word it that way?

[Yeet]

Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned

[Yeet]

*sees inanity of page 1*

*bolts to VCs*

Why even read page one we all knew you were just gonna do that anyway

[Yeet]

Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned

Yuck

What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?

[Yeet]

Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned

Yuck

What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?

Nope. My gut says it's because you know April's town. Like why would you jump to him being tilted? Second, professor style tones are rarely tilted. If April was tilted, I'd expect more contempt from the words he's typing.

I was referring to Malcolm in that post.

The timeline is, I sussed Malcolm early, then April replaced in and started pushing Malcolm with reasons, and I liked that so April has firmly pocketed me at this point.

[Yeet]

Let's just kill Malcolm

[Yeet]

Again I really don't the skitter slot is scum. Malcolm's walls did nothing to dissuade me from this wagon

[Yeet]

Can't really tell what Scorp is. Could see play coming from town but could also see it as scum AtE. I would compromise there if I have to but I'd prefer Malcolm.

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Instead of trying something new, we can try Malcolm. It really hasn't taken off ever. It almost did for a second. I really want to see what happens when it becomes the main wagon.

But I genuinely need to know what the case against me is to be able to do so. I don't think you can compare me with VP. The current wagon against me has sort of materialised out of nowhere and doesn't feel particularly strong or logic-based. The main person behind it is April. April basically admitted they "shoot their shot" too early. What does this mean? It feels like mafia admitting they built a case on someone they had no evidence on, but they kept pursuing it anyway.

Literally this part would imply that April is mafia here like 10 times out of 10 no?

nah, he just rearranged what actually happened to fit a narrative.

Malcolm took a back seat and let a different scum guide things, whichever of the scum is in DV/Fire has been subtly guiding the past couple rl days.

Updated Scum Theory list:


Malcom, STD, 1 of DV/Fire, then one of the others, idk.

I think this is reasonable. StD could definitely be scum here. I'm not sure if there has to be scum between DV and Fire, they both independently seem kind of town. I think I still TR DeasVail and in theory I should TR fire but Fire would kind of fit the description for a deepwolf playing well; not that I indepedently think he's scum. If you really think one of those two has to be scum I would guess Fire though.

[Yeet]

It feels as if April read a couple of my posts early on, decided I was mafia, and has since tried to make the evidence fit that instead of the other way around

This is how I feel about some of the things you've said about me. What goes around comes around I guess.

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It feels as if April read a couple of my posts early on, decided I was mafia, and has since tried to make the evidence fit that instead of the other way around

This is how I feel about some of the things you've said about me. What goes around comes around I guess.

I'd disagree with that entirely. I'd say I mostly TR'd you early on since your approach felt too blatant to be mafia. Since then though your playing style has changed completely and your reads have become a lot less clear and a lot more jumpy.

What I mean is I feel like since you started scumreading me it has felt like a lot of your reasons for me being scum feel like reasons fitting the read.

[Yeet]

he pushed cape for a while but that didn't get any traction. His play just feels so different than yesterday where he was yelling and screaming for a Wu lim and now he's just kinda reserved.

What's inherently scummy about that?

[Yeet]

And please vig Galron. Please

Okie

Please don't

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VP what would you be doing differently if you were scum this game?

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Malcolm why are you just sitting on your vanity wagon with 2.5 days to deadline but not pushing me?

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VP what would you be doing differently if you were scum this game?

Not listing so many people off and drawing so much attention to myself. I probably would have played nice with Nero earlier and wouldn't have opened the day in a very aggressive manner. I'd be calling town players who are on the wrong track smart and be playing with my long term survivability in mind.

Yeah, this kind of checks out, honestly. I'm once again fine with you being town here.

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Malcolm why are you just sitting on your vanity wagon with 2.5 days to deadline but not pushing me?

probably because he is town.

Profound idea I had there

?

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April what are you doing.

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I don't think fire can't be scum at all but, do you really think we can get 9 people to vote for fire in 2 days?

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i mean maybe it is malcolm with the poor reaction to his wagon, and the lady doth protest too much methinks over him and VP being mentioned as a possible team, and saying he would come back and be productive and useful or whatever in the morning but then he disappeared

then again ig he did disappear last friday too so maybe that's just an irl schedule thing. kinda weird tho that he said multiple times "i will defend myself tomorrow!!" and then never came back

Hm this sequence of quotes pings me a little idk.

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Fire is the deepwolf here, if he is scum, that's for sure

Do we really get a yeet a deepwolf on D2 like this, idk

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Why Enchant is so scummy this game is beyond me. Feels like he's just lolcatting scum? But I still kind of refuse to elim there like in the next few game days because fua was so towny, but I would like Enchant to play and help town more I guess

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I'm sorry Math what Galron did does not look like a slip to me.

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Here's kind of where I'm at:

Math
Galron Nero enchant - TRs
Baltar cape deasvail - TLs
tenebro eyes Titus April - north of null
Scorpious frog fire std - null I guess?
Malcolm - South of null

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One of the reasons I think Baltar is town - keep in mind he is a journalist and everything he writes comes off as polished at least and depending on your POV meant to be persuasive. I really don’t get the sense that he is the kind of player that plays some suboptimal game for the sake of wifom. Those are the things he looks for in scum as town. He has the natural ability to pocket specific players if he really wants to, so I don’t know why as scum he has put zero effort into this. If VP looks like he’s playing a very wifomy agenda, then in my book he’s probably just town.

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EBWOP (ie, fuck you autocorrect)

VP what would you be doing differently if you were scum this game?

Not

pissing

so many people off and drawing so much attention to myself. I probably would have played nice with Nero earlier and wouldn't have opened the day in a very aggressive manner. I'd be calling town players who are on the wrong track smart and be playing with my long term survivability in mind.

This read is sort of related to what he said here. I agree that this is more what his agenda would look like as scum which is why I asked him in the first place.

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Why Enchant is so scummy this game is beyond me. Feels like he's just lolcatting scum? But I still kind of refuse to elim there like in the next few game days because fua was so towny, but I would like Enchant to play and help town more I guess

Here's kind of where I'm at:

Math
Galron Nero enchant - TRs
Baltar cape deasvail - TLs
tenebro eyes Titus April - north of null
Scorpious frog fire std - null I guess?
Malcolm - South of null

Claims is a trash. I more actually believe people who call me mafia than people who call me mafia but change mind because i am vig, because first looks sort of genuine.

fua was towny for me. You not trying at all and lolcatting all game is scum!indicative but it really doesn’t change the fact that you came from a town slot. I’m not sure why this isn’t looking genuine for you.

Also, please don’t shoot me tonight, lol.

[Yeet]

Malcolm is basically attacking me again for changing reads frequently, which as he himself said, is what townies should do. I legitimately don’t think I can change reads this quickly and jumpily as scum because I wouldn’t evaluate new information in a genuine way.

[Yeet]

It'd be a late wagon but I'd narrowly prefer it to VP at this point I think. I'd at least be interested to see who gets onboard with it since that could be telling due to the game stalling.

What are your reads out of interest, Enchant? What do you make of Yeet's view you're playing like you're mafia at the moment, and should we see your willingness to jump on a potential Yeet bandwagon as suspicious or genuine good town play?

Didn't understand question.

Yeet thinks your play is quite mafia. Should we see your backing of a wagon on them as good, genuine town play here? What makes you keen on it?

Idk this hunch is obviously confbiased but I’m scared Malcolm is firing/pocketing Enchant up to convince him to vig me tonight or something.

[Yeet]

Another thing that I don’t like about Malcolm’s posting is a lot of it is based on objectiveness. He frequently gets salty about how other people who are doing “similar or worse” things are not getting as much pressure as others (namely himself). I can point to examples after work if needed.

The issue I gave with this mindset is that I feel like he is expecting people to play objectively good townplay and people who don’t match up to this standard are scum. I mean it’s not impossible that it could be a playstyle difference but his mindset still feels like he’s scum caught for the “wrong reasons”.

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I don’t understand what you are saying. I never say fua was townie for me before they claimed. I said fua was towny. What I’m referring to there is he was towny in general, specifically up to their span in the game. I TR’d fua strongly after the claim and up through replaceout. I don’t see why this is a point against me.

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Also, Enchant I’m not sure why you’re assuming you won’t be alive tomorrow so you’re not trying to participate. You were roleblocked N1, why don’t you think it can’t happen again?

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Malcolm who are you going to vote? Your unvote of me without a push at this point doesn’t do anything for the gamestate.

I also think Enchant and Galron need to vote a real wagon. We are cutting it close.

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I don’t understand what you are saying. I never say fua was townie for me before they claimed. I said fua was towny. What I’m referring to there is he was towny in general, specifically up to their span in the game. I TR’d fua strongly after the claim and up through replaceout. I don’t see why this is a point against me.

*they were townie in general

[Yeet]

Another thing that I don’t like about Malcolm’s posting is a lot of it is based on objectiveness. He frequently gets salty about how other people who are doing “similar or worse” things are not getting as much pressure as others (namely himself). I can point to examples after work if needed.

The issue I gave with this mindset is that I feel like he is expecting people to play objectively good townplay and people who don’t match up to this standard are scum. I mean it’s not impossible that it could be a playstyle difference but his mindset still feels like he’s scum caught for the “wrong reasons”.

Why is trying to play objectively a bad way to approach the game? I'd rather that than just aimlessly going for whatever player catches your eye. Obviously there's always going to be an element of subjectivity to reads but I still expect people to then find a way to back up those reads.

Because imo there aren’t many objective things about this game. The whole point of mafia is a psychological guessing game. We all have different play styles and look for different things. Some of us are probably a little bit more accurate than others on average but who knows honestly.

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Malcolm if we are both town who is scum?

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Do you really think scum!April comes in and decides to push you, with only one person (me) at the time expressing real paranoia on you, and drives you as a counterwagon because he thinks he can get 9 votes on you to miselim you? That’s the kind of agenda I would have to accept in a scum!April world and it is a bit tough for me, so you can explain that maybe that will help your case? If April and VP are both town I just have a hard time seeing you as town in that regard too.

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Malcolm not voting does seem to be a playstyle thing so I wouldn’t dock him townpoints for it. I do think he should just VP though, I’m really not sure what he’s swaying on, it seems like of the 3 wagons VP is clearly his top choice.

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Wait what does the “wary we don’t get much” from VP’s elim mean, I don’t get it

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Sigh

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I think people being pretty polarized on VPB would make it a decently high info yeet

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Well the person still has to claim and we have to have enough time to switch to someone else and maybe let them claim, etc

And this is a large game which is harder to coordinate a majority vote

And realistically no one is going to come with some bombshell case on someone other than scorpious, Malcolm, or VPB

If you want to, be my guest I guess

[Yeet]

Malcolm is like starting to make me doubt my SR here, honestly

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I would like maybe maybe consider switching to fire last minute but I just don’t think it’s practical

And I still don’t think Malcolm less scummy than fire yet

[Yeet]

Remember Galron is scum if/when I die.

Nope

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right now tbh i am doubting myself immensely but legitimately cannot figure out what the maf team composition would look like if it's not in VP/malc since i have been thinking that it is for a while and have been thinking about most other players in terms of how they relate to those two slots. i know vp thinks that only maf are hesitant at the end but i know at least for me that is not at all the case, idk if I've ever voted someone out for non-mech-guilty reasons without some last minute doubts

Why are you doubting yourself immensely

Don’t you think scum is in the wagons

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Happy birthdays Math and Titus.

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What’s wrong with throwing shade?

I think to convince me VP is scum you have to tell me which slots he has really been trying to pocket this game. I can’t think of any slots off the top of my head

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Yes because that’s who VPB is as a person and a player.

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is scum required to pocket?

^

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No, absolutely not on Galron.

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skitter was extremely town at start of D2, just trust me I doubt she plays it that way. I’m not 100% but I would say I have a pretty strong read there. Arguments for Galron scum are super weak. This is one of those flashwagons that is probably scum motivated taking advantage of confusion and scrambling

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Idk tbh, maybe fire and less likely cape, I’m kind of going through my TL/TRs again because I have too many

Regardless of who the scum are, I disagree with the wagon.

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I am *staunchly opposed* to the wagon

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I don’t hate just killing scorp and calling it a day tbh.

[Yeet]

I am *staunchly opposed* to the wagon

What do you prefer here though? You've said yourself that you were starting to doubt I was mafia. You've struggled to state exactly why you are opposed to me. Several of the players who were on my wagon only went on it because they weren't keen on the other alternative, that's not a good reason for eliminating someone. I'm all ears for an alternative but feels like we're running out here.

I’m definitely more opposed to Galron and VP than any of the other wagons (you and scorp)

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And fire too, could compromise there I guess as well

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VP probably

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How could April have known Malcolm would become a real wagon? I was the only one suspecting him at the time

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Idk why you guys are just accepting that, it doesn’t make sense to me. Flavor literally could’ve pushed anyone else, yet he went for Malcolm just because he could? With like very little actual substance? Why not go for literally anyone else in the game who was probably being sussed way more

I think it’s impossible that Flavor predicted he could Malcolm a big thing. If there was some other scum agenda I’d be potentially interested but literally any other wagon would’ve been more practical and easy.

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Like I’m honestly shocked Malcolm wagon got as big as it did, at the time I was just chillin with my vanity vote.

[Yeet]

Like maybe it is more clear to me because at the time I felt like I was on an island trying to start a vanity wagon and April is the one person who heard me, agreed with me, and pushed for me. The scum!agenda doesn’t make sense from town Malcolm scum April perspective

[Yeet]

I’m not freaking out about it, I’m just trying to understand the possible worlds and why you view this one as possible

[Yeet]

at this point i plan to stay on galron. there's still more people who should be willing to vote him that haven't checked in yet

I also want to know why you want Galron so much.

[Yeet]

It is very difficult to see a world where skitter is scum and plays the way she did d2
It is very difficult to see a world where Baltar is scum and decides to attempt to pocket 0 people for the sole sake of saying wifom right before he’s about to die
It is difficult to see a world where April is scum and makes the push he does on Malcolm

Of these worlds it feels comparatively more plausible Malcolm is scum here

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Also, we have like 30 hours to wrap this up. So much fucking around is not good for making decisions

I’m not freaking out about it, I’m just trying to understand the possible worlds and why you view this one as possible

So in a world where Malcom and I are both town, how does today go the way it does with such a hard effort to get either wagon over?

I don’t understand what you’re asking

[Yeet]

I too think people should get in here and post, we are close to deadline.

[Yeet]

fire can you reevaluate that world but with Galron as town and tell me what that looks like?

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I will go Malcolm > Scorp >>> Baltar >>> Galron.

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I think April coming in and pushing Malcolm and Malcolm wagon competing with VP are two unrelated events that have nothing to really do with each other.

I mean I completely agree with this... what's your issue with me then?

[Yeet]

What do you mean?

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What do you mean?

I mean that you are quoting a specific line in 4529 but the answer to your question is also in 4529.

I think we're just having a miscommunication somewhere, I don't really understand what you're referring to exaclty in that post.

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I’ll give this more attention after work

But kind of ready to move on too, we have 20 hours

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I really don’t think that was a scum slip math

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Can anyone actually explain why Malcolm is town?

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I don’t feel Malcolm has done anything particularly townie so I don’t love the deflection to Galron who I do feel is very very likely to be town

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I mean he gave me like a little pause earlier but just not nearly enough for me to get off him

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Please don’t vote Galron.

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Nero you’re breaking my heart

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Just trust me Math Galron is town

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This is so frustrating

[Yeet]

Just instakill me tomorrow if Galron is red. I really doubt he is

[Yeet]

This is so frustrating

VP what should I do?

[Yeet]

This is so frustrating

VP what should I do?

I think just let today play out. Playing the long game is probably more important.

Is this as easy as VP Galron Yeet Boon? Lmao

The thought that this would even cross your mind is astounding to me, and you entertaining it as an actual solve makes me feel like you’ve never played mafia before

[Yeet]

VOTE: Galron E-1

i think this is better than malcolm.

Scummy

[Yeet]

This town is absolutely destroyed

[Yeet]

Why am I even here, what’s the point, why do I even say anything. I shouldn’t have said anything if I knew I was going to be completely ineffectual

[Yeet]

I’d be completely full of it if I said I was 100% on Galron being town but like I’m very confident.

[Yeet]

Confident enough to put my own slot on the line.

[Yeet]

I think skitter being scum was honestly just really unlucky. I think it would’ve been terrible play to lim there D2. On D4 onwards I think is when they can start seriously considering the lim…

Also the fact that I am gated like 3-4 times is kind of ridiculous.

[Yeet]

Okay I am gated

Because of Traitor, false negative
People can kill the same night, false negative
Mafia know I exist
I’m 3-shot

At this point if there are that many ways for me to generate false innos with scum having knowing of me I might as well just not be in this game

[Yeet]

The mafia knowing I exist part is significant because then obviously they have their scummiest player do the kill which makes the chance of me getting a false inno even higher. I thought it was close to a 25% that I convenient choose skitter maybe even lower because skitter Im might be more likely to get tracked. Turns out it was way higher which makes my inno a lot more meaningless. I’m not sure that telling mafia about my existence was necessary unless the goal was essentially to make me neg util

[Yeet]

town with too many power roles complains about not having even more power, what else is new

[Yeet]

Anyway congrats to scum and thanks for the mod Mizzy and duck! All in all a fun game.

[Yeet]

i might just be very stingy with my claims, but i def would not have

no idea what is correct tho, and i understand doing it

I think it was a judgment call. The fact that he had 2 shots left makes me think he shouldn't have done it though I deff understand why he thought that it was a likely inno on Skitter/Galron and was maybe worried that he'd look bad @ claim time if he didn't speak up.

also a little confused why I was shot. I think scum could have still got me with a bunch of bad town pushing me and my claim might sound suspicious considering that I wasn't on HEM n1.

Yeah it’s a tough decision. The issue is my remaining shots are less and less useful. The first one is the most important and I thought it was important to stop the most important one because that’s the main info I feel good about.

[Yeet]

i mean like, in this game, scum played well in a sense that:

(1) we outed 3 major power roles on day 1
(2) used our one and only blocking role to block the vigilante, and then that vigilante shot the bulletproof traitor
(3) both investigatives hit a false inno on n1
(4) scum shot a power role each and every night

and it STILL resulted in a 7p yelo where 3 people were confirmed not groupscum. like. what. i'm sorry but like what is scum supposed to *do* here.

Well the only PR that actually did anything remotely useful for town was the one scum killed last, and they did a lot of good things I guess. my role was extremely neg util this outcome and on average is probably neutral for town given scum know we exist.

I personally think this setup would’ve been better if traffic analyst was nerfed and scum weren’t told psych existence. But overall probably close to balanced.

[Yeet]

I agree TA is probably too strong this game especially with the hood getting outted a lot of the time. I agree this setup probably like slightly Town sided overall.

[Yeet]

i mean you *could* argue "well, masons and neighbours are false positives for the traffic analyst!!!" but (1) scum then get punished for doing the Good Scum Play of outing town's power roles (masons), the entire hood got outed early anyway -- and i don't think this is a very unlikely scenario to happen, since hood almost ALWAYS get outed very early sincle people just have that gut reaction of outing them early, and i feel like the reviewers know this

I agree with this. Masons getting guiltied will just out them. They’re unlikely to actually get elim

[Yeet]

role that can get hard guilties on scum and that punishes good scum play of outing the vigilante, in addition of being harder to get elim'd just by virtue of being a power role

"probably neutral for town"

dude i'm sorry but what

Luckily I was still gated in 3 other ways besides the vigilante being outted and scum know they can avoid my targets

I think it’s better if the psychologist is public info to everyone or public info to me