Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pooky
Pooky sus

[SirCakez]

RQS in 2020?

[SirCakez]

*sees the RQS*

*puts a down payment on a condo in dead chat*

yea I'm too lazy for this shit LOL

[SirCakez]

OH MY GOD BIOINFORMATICS CLASS CANNOT END SOON ENOUGH

Pay attention Talk!

[SirCakez]

Taly*

[SirCakez]

I have two and both give me weird PRs

[SirCakez]

nobody do anything close to being modkilled ok

Duh

[SirCakez]

well outing the locations is good and bad
good because we can make a plan
bad because scum can mess with that plan presumably

[SirCakez]

I don't see the need to claim them today, personally. I think this can wait for a few days and we can just make groups today so no one is isolated.

[SirCakez]

well outing the locations is good and bad
good because we can make a plan
bad because scum can mess with that plan presumably

Lol are you actually scum cake

you think outing everything now is good? I see too much risk

[SirCakez]

we can leash without a massclaim no @pooky?

[SirCakez]

xRECKONERx [1] Battle mage

nice

[SirCakez]

we can leash without a massclaim no @pooky?

if we leash to rooms without mass claiming theres no way to gurantee everyone gets their shit done in 3 days

why not? people say where they need to go tonight -> we go there -> people say where they need to go tomorrow -> we go there -> etc

[SirCakez]

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

I endorse this plan

[SirCakez]

VOTE: no elim

[SirCakez]

the only problem I can see with this plan is if task results fuck with people's posting to the point we can't communicate

[SirCakez]

why not? people say where they need to go tonight -> we go there -> people say where they need to go tomorrow -> we go there -> etc

claiming 1 room and claiming 2 rooms isnt that different. also gives scum less excuses to show up where they aren't supposed to be.

we should actually popcorn this.

can you show me how this works because I can't wrap my head around it

[SirCakez]

wait a sec
there are 10 rooms
how can we guarantee groups of 3 or more in each room each night?

[SirCakez]

we should try to make scummy people take the claim tasks right? because if maf have them they don't count

[SirCakez]

can you show me how this works because I can't wrap my head around it

a scum has to fake-claim 2 rooms,

but let's say a townie is the only person who is going to room ____

then the scum can see that and also claim he needs to go to room _____

if we popcorn the mass claim right now, scum can't adjust to try to setup bonus nks etc.

ok got it!
I didn't see the advantage but now it makes sense

[SirCakez]

pooky do you have my back?

[SirCakez]

should we out the task requirements as well? might need to plan for those

[SirCakez]

TOWNSPEW OR DIE TALY

[SirCakez]

in a game I ran with rooms like this called The Thing Mafia planning out night actions and murdering people who didn't conform was very effective for the start of the game

[SirCakez]

what are you talking about BM???

[SirCakez]

what are you talking about BM???

lol the last game we played like this - it was mad!

What game?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma saw him vent

VOTE: TGP

You're against no elim?

[SirCakez]

suddenly I want to yeet Flea for making my page size double
and also for doing the RQS thats gross

[SirCakez]

I also want to claim that my post restrictions aren't so bad. Like I could have a pretty much normal day while adhering to them both days, just might say some slightly weird stuff.

same

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Pooky

Pooky/Alisae are scum.

Immediately trying to get town to divulge all the information scum could possibly want, pushing NE's so they don't have to face any possible pressure, and distracting town away from actual scumhunting with our alternate win condition.

All of this is a favorable game-state for scum, not town. Town should want the locations they have to go to be secret so that scum can't plan where they're going without making reads (outside of circumstances were Town should want to team up with other Town in a hood.) Town should want scum elims for obvious reasons AND to reduce likelihood of the big scary extra kill. Town will still want regular elims for the reasons we always want regular elims. Tasks become distributable anyways when they die and we can push the public tasks to people who are widely TR'd and already going to the same location (which would be a scenario we'd actually want to have people claiming tasks.)

Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Please stop falling for scum ploys to give them a favorable gamestate.

what the fuck...

[SirCakez]

I just don't think it makes sense at all
The reasons for the advantages in this plan have been stated in thread now

[SirCakez]

i'm not really sorting here just mech focused since this seems winnable solely through mech

[SirCakez]

no we should yeet tasks to scummy people so they are done if they are scum

[SirCakez]

no get back on the no elim wagon don't be distracted

[SirCakez]

1-2 people will die every night anyway. Those tasks don't get completed.

So we're going to be picking up some extra tasks no matter what.

There will likely be enough tasks, scum don't need to avoid claiming them, that's not going to be a reliable tell.

There are 10 possible locations, it's not as trivial to keep everyone together as I think Flea and Cute Barking Doggy are thinking.

pooky has a plan for this so we move through some rooms each night

[SirCakez]

why are there only two votes for no elim

[SirCakez]

someone needs to start a popcorn

[SirCakez]

we can always swing to scumhunting if the task plan isn't working...

[SirCakez]

Like, I don't know how to get through to you all that hedging all of our bets on Task Completion and almost entirely ignoring traditional scumhunting is bad in a closed setup and the people who are pushing No Elim are probably scum.

Agree but disagree that the people pushing no elim are scum. Except cake who is scum.

why are you stuck on this

[SirCakez]

Like, I don't know how to get through to you all that hedging all of our bets on Task Completion and almost entirely ignoring traditional scumhunting is bad in a closed setup and the people who are pushing No Elim are probably scum.

Agree but disagree that the people pushing no elim are scum. Except cake who is scum.

I'd be down for a Cakez elim.

I'm still entirely convinced that Pooky/Alisae are trying to wrangle the game and town into a favorable state for scum.

salty I called your case illogical?

[SirCakez]

also the no elim plan means we should have a decent amount of elims left if we suddenly have to pivot to scumhunting for whatever reason

[SirCakez]

nobody who is against the noelim plan can actually provide an argument for it being bad

[SirCakez]

Outworlder is town I think. Pooky is town. BM is town I think. Cake is scummy but I'm not convinced whether we should or shouldn't elim today yet tbh. Also I'm not pushing for an elim like an hour into the game.

dont ignore me

[SirCakez]

murdercat has been shading me all game for literally no reason

[SirCakez]

i didn't push this plan immediately? pooky helped me come around to it

[SirCakez]

also outworld we do have a lot of information at hand already

[SirCakez]

Outworlder is town I think. Pooky is town. BM is town I think. Cake is scummy but I'm not convinced whether we should or shouldn't elim today yet tbh. Also I'm not pushing for an elim like an hour into the game.

dont ignore me

murdercat has been shading me all game for literally no reason

What do you want me to say? I think 62 is fake af and I think 92 is IIOA and I also think all you've done so far is is talk mech

what is fake af about 62
my impression was that tasks aren't just PRs but can be other things too

[SirCakez]

also outworld we do have a lot of information at hand already

Like fucking what?

We have no idea of scum abilities outside of educated guesses. Nobody was able to read anything before Pooky/Alisae started pushing this. We have no flips.

we have everybody's rooms that they need to go to and their tasks

[SirCakez]

the massclaim has not actually happened yet, only like 5 or 6 have claimed

[SirCakez]

what is fake af about 62
my impression was that tasks aren't just PRs but can be other things too

I think if you are town you shouldn't have and therefore wouldn't have basically PR claimed on page 3.

so mech?

[SirCakez]

so mech?

My tasks do not provide a benefit to town. If yours do, I think you'd have acted a bit more guarded. Instead you are trying to out as much info as possible.

mine don't and no one else's do either from the sound of it so I'm not sure why you're hung up on this

[SirCakez]

Fifteen pages already, what did I miss?

a bunch of spam dont worry

[SirCakez]

Pookys open here is town af

[SirCakez]

wait a sec
there are 10 rooms
how can we guarantee groups of 3 or more in each room each night?

Tbh I’m confused how YOU'RE confused. You’re the one that RAN The Thing Mafia.

The thing mafia did not use this system...

[SirCakez]

I like Gamma just because he brought up The Thing Mafia lol

[SirCakez]

We tell player x we susp that if they don’t take task Y we will send them out the airlock duh

This doesn't hold with no elim plan tho

[SirCakez]

Wraith was town Gamma
It was Magna and EP pulling the strings

[SirCakez]

We tell player x we susp that if they don’t take task Y we will send them out the airlock duh

This doesn't hold with no elim plan tho

Somebody has to take the dead tasks dude

Yeah but yeeting people for it?
If anything scummy people should be happy to take the tasks cuz it will look good on them

[SirCakez]

Reck probably planted by shea as security against town breaking the setup lmao

[SirCakez]

VOTE: reckoner
Nah, not letting you act like you’re willing to play ball and then try to run away with it when you realize you have to play fair

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

Don't like these votes at all

Titus wagon feels scum driven

[SirCakez]

VOTE: reckoner
Nah, not letting you act like you’re willing to play ball and then try to run away with it when you realize you have to play fair

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

Don't like these votes at all

Titus wagon feels scum driven

nani

so both

reck/titus

have poor votes pledged against them?

what is a good vote rn, if no limming was not an option for you?

I probably would vote Gamma - those Reck votes are the first thing to really ping me this game

[SirCakez]

I still am not interested in an elim and no one else should be either

[SirCakez]

I think Pooky/Ali/BM group is actually super trustworthy and we should make sure they are with different groups so they can "secure" each one

[SirCakez]

Titus what do you think about the others on your wagon?

[SirCakez]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

[SirCakez]

I actually TR Titus for not getting involved in mech here she is known for preferring vote based scumhunting

[SirCakez]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

I find Bell's take on me interesting. It's more NAI but suggests a genuine fear of me. If he's town, he knows I can pull some pretty outrageous shit and would fear me. If he's scum, he knows he needs to shade me out of the gate due to my late game prowess if given space.

Starting a train on me serves both purposes.

I don't really have an alignment read on Bell for that reason.

Not sure I get you here
If Bell is town what is his motivation for eliming you just because he fears you?

I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

There's no chance of this happening

[SirCakez]

Titus wagon feels scum driven

why

Because it's a distraction from no elim and also Titus is townie

[SirCakez]

We force all 6 onto somebody we think/know is scum and then just ignore him. Boom, 6 tasks that don't count against us. We can no elim that day to ensure at least 10 tasks are completed. We just wiped out 16 tasks by D2 (assuming no failures). Easy game.

What if this person is town

[SirCakez]

Cakez, why were you ISOing Gamma if you're concerned about the Titus wagon being scum-driven?

I didn't ISO gamma?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: reckoner
Nah, not letting you act like you’re willing to play ball and then try to run away with it when you realize you have to play fair

oh, not eliminating anyone to give us time to do tasks is pretty smart actually? i think?

How’d you know that came up?

And yeah why the fuck are you okay with the no elim but not the plan portion?
VOTE: Reckoner
TGP you had a point about looking at who supported what.

Don't like these votes at all

Titus

wagon feels scum driven

These weren't accidental misquotes?

no I quoted them as i was reading along the main game thread

[SirCakez]

Alisae do you think people opposing the massclaim/no-elim plan are scummy?

[SirCakez]

I will admit I'm paranoid players like Reck are playing up their oppositionalness to everything to skate by

[SirCakez]

The way you describe it Flea makes it sounds like scum supports massclaim

I believe they would. Given the state of play the can just kinda chill out, see who claims where then claim rooms with fewer people, target night kills at larger groups and potentially score free bonus kills. Also given that the imposters are given fake tasks, people claiming tasks gives them an idea of what tasks are in the game, and would give them more information to help fabricate their claims.

I would imagine scum have already discussed their fake tasks in their PT and assuming they each got 2 fake tasks each, everyone claiming tasks gives them a nice big pool to pick and choose from, allowing them to get where they want to be to manipulate things.


On the other hand, us declaring our locations ONLY allows near-optimal route planning, there are some long tasks so that would have to be accounted for in some places. This could leave people in some rooms alone so it provides scum some additional information.

unless our optimal route can be fully 100% optimal, we probably should just bring the chaos. Remember there are PTs for each room as well so other things can be discussed there with people.

this seems kinda too much information to me no? I haven't thought about any of these things

[SirCakez]

TOWN
titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM
alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE
dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT
murdercat, akarin, bell

what the fuck is this readslist

[SirCakez]

the more im thinking about the tasks the more I am going to dread doing them.

honestly makes me just want to not do tasks but i feel like that's unfair to my team

town af posting from Alisae
keep doing you Ali

[SirCakez]

look normally I'd love to murder Battle Mage as fast as possible but he's not scum here

[SirCakez]

;_;

[SirCakez]

what if i deathtunnel you instead as a power move

[SirCakez]

I've read a number of pages (up to about page 10 I think) and I think MC is suspicious for pushing cake for supposedly agreeing with a similar assessment of the plan.
Reads like changing his opinions based on nothing.

why is this the one thing you have to comment on?

[SirCakez]

way too much spam in this game about how much the PRs will suck
nobody cares guys
we all know they are gonna suck

[SirCakez]

you're not LHF lol

[SirCakez]

Bell why is my gut giving me weird vibes that you are different from Xenoblade 2
me no likey

[SirCakez]

im mostly just teasing cakez btw if that wasn't clear.

scum backpedaling

[SirCakez]

eject: alisae

[SirCakez]

pooky got alisae back?

[SirCakez]

Why is murder so bad?

[SirCakez]

Also how the hell is Blitzo top tier

[SirCakez]

All of blitzos posting seems to be complaining about how much he has to read and how much it sucks

[SirCakez]

You're not wrong.
I also think that now is the time to rectify that.
I've given a number of my reads.
What are yours?
PEDIT - #973 is simply not a good post.
Double PEDIT - I don't see how that's true cakez.
I think I've given a number of reads and ideas and don't see how that's not the case?
Where are you at in opinions rn?

Ok it was hyperbole but I still feel a significant portion of your posting is that

[SirCakez]

@akarin - the fact that 973 was not a good post and he made it while I was posting.
It feels incredibly nitpicky and almost like he pulled that idea out of thin air.
I legitimately don't know what else I can really say about it other than how angry it made me.
Is it scum? Possibly.
@DGB - You're not wrong on that front but I'd still like you to talk to me about stuff.
What haven't I addressed or what's changed or what's up I suppose?
I'd also like to parse my wagon first since it's so bad that I think scum has to be on it.
PEDIT - cakez I'd like you to sit down and point out how "complaining" or whatever it is you've called it has outweighed my reads and other contributions.

I never said it "outweighed" anything
I just think it's a bad look

TOWN
titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*

AT LEAST ONE SCUM
alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp

SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE
dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel

SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT
murdercat, akarin, bell

what the fuck is this readslist

it's a readlist, nice of you to quote it and ask what it is

do you want to like, ask an actual question? or u just makin noise?

You're SRing/null reading everyone except four people
How?

[SirCakez]

Why are we voting BM?

scummy post

[SirCakez]

Liking Akarin a lot here

I probably would vote Gamma - those Reck votes are the first thing to really ping me this game

Why

Because it looks like scum looking for a wagon on LHF

[SirCakez]

Caaaaakez you're not trying to fish an easy miselim like in Cards of Destiny are youuuuuu?

????????

[SirCakez]

I don't want to elim anyone today I've said this like 50000000000 times
But interesting you bring that up

[SirCakez]

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

why
tbh Titus' reads seem sensible

BM is playing to town meta

[SirCakez]

You're SRing/null reading everyone except four people
How?

i see you're not reading very closely

i only called 3 people actually scummy in that list, the other bucket was categorizing people on the claim plan who could have scum motivation

and yes, i do feel like given the sheer noise:content ratio in this game, it's completely fathomable to not have many strong town reads at the moment, especially w/ alisae et al leading us all on a one way trip to stupidtown with this goddamn massclaim plan

From what I see everyone in your list is in the possible scumpile except for those four TRs so I don't see what I misunderstood

[SirCakez]

BM is lurk fuck as scum and actually plays as town

[SirCakez]

I will admit I'm paranoid players like Reck are playing up their oppositionalness to everything to skate by

btw pls don't blanket TR opposition because I correctly SRed DiamondSentinel for trying to push cabd in smoke filled antechamber but got written off because "why would scum be so confrontational"

also side note, this game is actually going at a pleasant pace rn
please don't spoil it by getting into a dumb 1v1

Yeah I fell for this too
Thus my paranoia

BM is lurk fuck as scum and actually plays as town

Can his lurksackness be attributed to real life?

@Gamma, What do you mean by chaotic versus not chaotic?

Only he can answer this

[SirCakez]

BM is lurk fuck as scum and actually plays as town

Oh so you're saying he's scum

mkay

I need a translator like you

[SirCakez]

I'm not voting BM?
If you mean others, I think they are unfamiliar with him. He has a...unique playstyle

[SirCakez]

This doesn't work as scum only get one edible kill per night so Imposter 2 and 4 cannot clear each other. They'd both have to be in solo rooms to do that.

If they kill one town with the regular NK and one with the bonus kill, both are alone and they can lie and say they were together.

This doesn't make sense

[SirCakez]

If 2 Imposters wind up in rooms either by themselves, or with town who they kill, why doesn't it makes sense for them to lie about where they were to clear themselves?

Oh I see
The way you worded it made me think you thought that imp had to be alone with person for regular NK too

@alisae respond to my question about your reads please

[SirCakez]

General thoughts:
- Plan for tonight should be to provide rooms where people should group, if they want to group. I want to group.
- I'm not about to throw someone out of the airlock if they don't claim, I don't think we have enough info to decide either way so people should just do what they want. I think this is better than random because some people want to group. I think scum will get an extra kill off tonight but what can you do.
- I recommend grouping up because my guess is that scum has some ability to combat this, but not enough of an ability that makes grouping up useless (e.g. a limited amount of lights sabotages that lets you kill even if there is a full room). We want scum to have to use these I think.
- No elim is probably right for today. We get a night phase to learn stuff and it balances out what I think is an inevitable (given some people don't want to group) extra kill tonight.
- Because it seems like no elim is the right option to me, I find it hard to do my normal strategy, which mostly involves throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Which leads to my other strategy, which is basically passively observing.

The good news is that I thought large theme games were too much for me, but it turns out that death curse was just like, really a lot. I agree with whoever said this game was moving at a decent pace.

Spoiler: Reads (generally sorted townie to not so townie)

PookyTheMagicalBear

I think Pooky is true to town form. Based on 2170, I think Pooky is one of those players who doesn't try to perfectly match his town game as scum. I think Pooky is leading town in a good direction, which hopefully is not how I would feel if scum was doing it.

OutWorldER

I don't know what outworlder is like as scum, but he is more town in this game than either of the previous games I played with him, IMO. I actually wouldn't expect 597 or 610 from outworlder scum even though they are somewhat easy to fake, as I assume he'd be fairly new at scum and those posts are scary to make (easy to TMI). I also don't expect new scum to fight against town giving info to earn town cred.

xRECKONERx

Reck scum might be good enough to play the vocal contrarian townie character as scum, but if he is he is doing a good job of it. He hasn't TMIed at all from what I've seen. For example, "scum have an ability to move someone out of a room against their will" is probably not something in the game, so if Reck is scum he is doing a good job of faking mech thoughts from the perspective of someone who doesn't know the mech which is I think hard to do without slipping. Also scum usually TRs me? But maybe I have left myself a bit to open to attack this game.

alisae

Ali isn't dominating the conversation in the way I would expect from Ali scum, though I'm not sure where the SR on me is coming from.

Flea

Flea is doing Flea things, I don't know what scum Flea looks like but I expect I would be able to find scum Flea before I find Bell or Taly scum and I haven't found anything I dislike yet, so fae goes higher on the list.

Bell, Taly

You are both posting vaguely townie things but there is nothing there that I think is never scum from either of you.

Cake

I know I was memeing before about Cake and I totally misinterpreted him, but he was still kinda weirdly defensive when I was posting about him so he still goes down here. There was also this subtle thing where he didn't lead the mech discussion but quickly jumped on board which felt like he wasn't really having his own thoughts about it /shrug.

Blitzo

Blitzo enterance post pinged me, which I know sounds dumb. But "Is there anything in particular anyone would like me to look at?" just sounded fake to me I don't know. 959 feels fake to me too?? Like there is no substance in those reads or even the mech. And stuff like this "I don't understand what MC is doing this game. MC was are your reads?" just feels totally empty to me.

{thegoldenparadox, Haschel Cedricson, DrippingGoofBall, Battle Mage, gamma emerald, titus, Akarin}

These are all people who I have no real thoughts about as of this moment so I am going to go skim their isos now.

TGP had that thing about Blitzo that I thought was a town thing to say, because like how else do you even think of that? Otherwise I don't think there is much there either way right now.

HC could be scum I guess, but mostly I think I just disagree with them about game state. I think Pooky is town and I think taly is ?? and I think Titus is a weird vote.

DG is doing DG things but I don't feel as comfortable in my ability to sort DG doing DG things compared to Flea doing Flea things. I don't really get the strong read on BM.

BM has been suspiciously absent from mech talk?? That's all I've got though, his iso is pretty empty.

Gamma hasn't yelled at anyone yet so I'm not sure if he's town. 1044 kinda pings me??? Spooky

Titus I'm not sure about because I don't really know what I expect from Titus in this setup. I agree with whoever said that we can shelve Titus for now as it will get easier later.

Akarin I should probably have a read on, but I don't. She has posted enough so I don't really have an excuse. I liked 1053, that's probably what I would do if I was trying to convince people to group, which I still think is pro town.

Ew what am I some kind of wall poster now?

Wow these general thoughts sure are unique

[SirCakez]

look normally I'd love to murder Battle Mage as fast as possible but he's not scum here

err thanks?

You're welcome

[SirCakez]

i think we need to start eliming in the no room claim pool


we can probly hit bad guys

and if they're townies we were never going to win this game

VOTE: Reck

my tolerance for gamethrowing is gone

Mmmm not crazy about this one Pooky

also who is Blitzo? i demand everybody who reads this post to say "Blitzo is town/scum/?" so I can gauge how many wagons this gamestate actually wants to have...

I'm warily leaning blitzo town

DGBs ISO is pretty much "kill BM, get people to vote with me or they are scum" etc.

Also I saw someone attach lurksack to BM (I think Cakez and Flea added to this but I don't know the context) and I am floored by this because the game has been going for less than 3 days

Not in this game
I was referring to meta

@alisae respond to my question about your reads please

nah bro
i just want people to wagon others atm im not gonna play my hand

Ok but this is not helping me out rn

Wow these general thoughts sure are unique

I didn't say they were?

But then why even bother posting them if it's literally what everyone else is saying

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah I missed one @gamma why lean Blitzo town?

[SirCakez]

Murdercat - I'd say aligned with Reck
Blitzo - Town and I ain't tellin you why until he is in range of dieing.
xRECKONERx - I'd say aligned with Murdercat
thegoldenparadox - probably town
Flea The Magician - I don't think it would be impossible for this to be scum but I can also see it being town tbh
Haschel Cedricson - townlean
DrippingGoofBall - Maybe town
Battle Mage - town
gamma emerald - town
titus - not interested
OutWorldER - Maybe this could just be scum
Taly - maybe town not sure tbh could be anything
SirCakez - town
Akarin - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - not interested
Bell - I think this is town?

This readslist is pretty bad Ali you're calling almost everyone town

[SirCakez]

ok
Does anyone else have the feeling with Taly's posts that she is writing a lot of words but none of them actually mean that much?

[SirCakez]

he is writing*

[SirCakez]

murderkitties

, i like your 563 but i feel like your 365 went a bit hard onto a slot relatively early for the games pace

how has your

cakez

read progressed?

TAAAALLLLLYYYYYYYY!
1) How are you?
2) Who is your worst read at the moment?
3) Is there anything so far you disagree with?
4) Why are you upside down? ( ͜。 ͡ʖ ͜。)

1)

good, bout to get to college work, need to stop letting mafia distract haha

2)

no particular scumreads... need to reread

TGP

because they did not pass the vibe check.

alisae

passed the vibe check but not yet the deepwolf check. i think you are quite fluffy even with your wall, tbh - i want more concrete statements from you.

pooky

feels agenda-y but that doesnt ping me by itself.
i think the amount of times

reck

comes into this thread only to say

"i wont read and i denounce the threads mentality"

is genuine BUT is being used deflectively.
actually did not care for this readslist from

BM

i think it's most likely that Alisae is town and Titus is scum. Akarin town, Pooky town, Cakez town.

felt very early to make reads on these players, at least mostly town-ones.

id rather

BM

just explain these reads. i think

OWER

prodded them at some point but if they replied, the answer wasnt noticeable enough for me to see it.

(maybe OWER prodded murderkitties instead)

3)

disagreement is not the correct word... more cautiously inquisitive. this town did not have a very cohesive start with everything considered.

4)

why i am upside down you ask?
my nails are lavender D:< not as red as my role PM or as green as what id want to brag they be.

Like look at this post for example
So much words but I don't actually get much from it?

[SirCakez]

i'm on board

VOTE: blitzo

├┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┤
├┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┤ . o O (At least put a robe on or something... x_x
├┬┴┬┴┬┴┬┴┤

What does this even mean

Spoiler:

murderkitties

, i like your 563 but i feel like your 365 went a bit hard onto a slot relatively early for the games pace

how has your

cakez

read progressed?

TAAAALLLLLYYYYYYYY!
1) How are you?
2) Who is your worst read at the moment?
3) Is there anything so far you disagree with?
4) Why are you upside down? ( ͜。 ͡ʖ ͜。)

1)

good, bout to get to college work, need to stop letting mafia distract haha

2)

no particular scumreads... need to reread

TGP

because they did not pass the vibe check.

alisae

passed the vibe check but not yet the deepwolf check. i think you are quite fluffy even with your wall, tbh - i want more concrete statements from you.

pooky

feels agenda-y but that doesnt ping me by itself.
i think the amount of times

reck

comes into this thread only to say

"i wont read and i denounce the threads mentality"

is genuine BUT is being used deflectively.
actually did not care for this readslist from

BM

i think it's most likely that Alisae is town and Titus is scum. Akarin town, Pooky town, Cakez town.

felt very early to make reads on these players, at least mostly town-ones.

id rather

BM

just explain these reads. i think

OWER

prodded them at some point but if they replied, the answer wasnt noticeable enough for me to see it.

(maybe OWER prodded murderkitties instead)

3)

disagreement is not the correct word... more cautiously inquisitive. this town did not have a very cohesive start with everything considered.

4)

why i am upside down you ask?
my nails are lavender D:< not as red as my role PM or as green as what id want to brag they be.

Like look at this post for example
So much words but I don't actually get much from it?

Cakez

, why are you only looking at one of my earliest posts, and one at a time for this?

Yeah, I don't believe your stance here.

It was a random example I could quote a dozen posts from your ISO
Why so defensive?

[SirCakez]

I could see Haschel scum
Elusive is a good word

[SirCakez]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by elusive, cakez?

He's not really engaging anyone he seems very in and out

[SirCakez]

mainly just pissy because i am giving content and im upset with the handwave dismissal i sense from 1/3rd of the plist. ill get over it soon.

I am reading your posts but I am struggling to get a ton from them
Thus my post

[SirCakez]

This is town Bell speaking, yes. Yes, Hello, thank you.

hmmm

[SirCakez]

I don't know what to say other than... just tell you to ask what you want to know? Uh.

It's definitely more in-good-faith to just ask if I'm not clear about something rather than perpetuate the narrative that I'm convoluted, which I feel others have done. (Alisae, DGB, Reck, even Murder a little)

I don't know what else to do for you. /shrug

There was not really anything for you to comment on which is why I found your last post weird
My original post was more of an open comment, not a question

[SirCakez]

This is town Bell speaking, yes. Yes, Hello, thank you.

hmmm

hmmm?

Could you explain Gamma, Titus, and if you have time (you can half ass it) Pooky?

In brief, I don't agree with all Gamma's reads, I think some of them are kind of ridiculous, but I kind of see where most of the stuff he says is coming from and it seems very actively solvey. Posts like 516 or 1029. Or the "scumslip" argument on Reck and then dropping it and thinking Reck was stubborn town rather than getting tunneled on it.

Titus it's partly that she's sitting stubbornly on No Elimination despite wanting the wagons for scumhunting. She could be pushing a wagon on town if she were scum, it's reasonably likely, and if she were scum, having more wagon analysis for BS later would be useful, but she's stubbornly sticking to what she thinks is best for town. Is it that impossible that she could have agreed with Alisae "for the wagon analysis" or something?

Also her mini argument with me yesterday, I thought she resolved in a very pro-town way when it would have been trivial to make that more anti-town.

Pooky it's the joy of trying to solve the setup stuff and how I feel we're kind of mind-melding on parts of it and I feel some frustrated-bear at places when I was feeling frustrated too. Not in the way that tons of people just want to whine about too much mech talk or "still being in RVS" (which yes, I know was Titus, but I don't think it's a scum thing, just a counterproductive thing that happens in a lot of games). Pooky feels like he's having the same thought process around some of this stuff in a way that I don't think is easy to fake.

I agree re:titus it is weird she was complaining about lack of VCA earlier and is now not voting

Time flew and I didn't realize how not a PEDIT that actually was.
That's embarrassing.
Anyways.
Bell I'm sorry if I'm not really following what you're trying to push here but I feel the exact opposite in a number of ways - I think that I've been pretty content-rich especially when you compare to to BM, who just drops names for next to no reason over and over.
If you want me to read a specific player then by all means let me know, but I don't see how I haven't "spewed" or done any analysis and I'm sort of confused as to why you keep saying that.

This reads like a "why me" type scum flail

[SirCakez]

Oh the Bell thing - I was gonna say not that kind of hmm
More like hmm town Bell I played with before didn't feel the need to declare himself town

[SirCakez]

Call my scum pool rn (Blitzo, Bell, Taly, Haschel, MC)
I think I like this
Taly trying to figure out a way to "answer" my post which was not really answerable is not a good look. Seems like scum trying to appease .

[SirCakez]

i caught up and I have nothing to say

What is the point of this post

[SirCakez]

Caaaaakez you're not trying to fish an easy miselim like in Cards of Destiny are youuuuuu?

????????

Also what the fuck was this

[SirCakez]

Oh the Bell thing - I was gonna say not that kind of hmm
More like hmm town Bell I played with before didn't feel the need to declare himself town

Doubt

Say more

[SirCakez]

I'm going off of Xenoblade 2 where it seemed like he did not give a shit

[SirCakez]

I'll go ahead and VOTE: blitzo
For wagon development this is the biggest wagon of my sr pool
I still stand by no elim plan

Say more

Bell must have declared himself town 20+ times in death curse

hmm ok
I'm still not a fan of others of his posts and how he's still sitting on the Titus wagon

[SirCakez]

i caught up and I have nothing to say

What is the point of this post

it gives me a reason to ghost out of the thread after appearing
duh

But you could have just not posted anything and nobody would have said anything
What is with this game and pointless posts

[SirCakez]

like idunno cakez
i thought i might gain something from reading 4 pages
little did I know, I didn't.

its very surprising.
tbh I don't exactly know what I expected.

Honestly Alisae some of your posts bother me but not in the scummy way
More like the what was e thinking way

[SirCakez]

It is hard to scum hunt without applying pressure. It's hard to apply pressure without real votes and the threat of being yeeted out the air lock.

Ok so what do you think should be happening?

[SirCakez]

Cakez responding to 1380 doesn't really make any sense and I need elaboration on that.
I don't understand why he's voting me either.
MC is definitely too lackluster here and I feel like he simply doesn't care about what's going on at this point.
I'm going to double check the game we just finished tomorrow to confirm my suspicions but something

definitely

isn't right there.

I'm specifically looking at the
"Bell I'm sorry if I'm not really following what you're trying to push here but I feel the exact opposite in a number of ways - I think that I've been pretty content-rich especially when you compare to to BM, who just drops names for next to no reason over and over.
If you want me to read a specific player then by all means let me know, but I don't see how I haven't "spewed" or done any analysis and I'm sort of confused as to why you keep saying that."

It seems like scum frustration over being scumread for something you feel like you're doing
I made posts like this as scum in Xenoblade 2

If HC continues along this trend then I could see yeeting him.
Though cakez is also aboard that elim.
I don't know what that means yet but I intend to find out.

OMGUS?

[SirCakez]

Really like this post from Taly, reasonable suggestions and thought processes, a lot of which are similar to how I'm thinking about the game.

what makes this townie?

[SirCakez]

sometimes
in the context of what I pointed out in his earlier post (the scum frustration) yes
it's a way to try to remove pressure when you can't talk them out of it

[SirCakez]

Work out recovery from outing my locations if no backup plan.

????????

[SirCakez]

Work out recovery from outing my locations if no backup plan.

????????

Seriously what the hell is this

[SirCakez]

This wagon feels gross now. /:

UNVOTE:

Scum abandoning wagon now that real pressure has built up so they aren't associated with miselim

Anyway it seems like we are going to elim today, I am happy enough with the comp of the Blitzo wagon compared to Titus and I think Blitzo has things that are actively kind of scummy so if we want to try to shoot the scum then fine. But I think there's good reasons to think that tasks are viable and miselims hurt us more than usual for that reason, so if it were up to me I would no elim.

Whoa whoa whoa
Who the hell said we are eliming today

[SirCakez]

TGP's Blitzo case is hella good

[SirCakez]

Cakez, what's your read on Alisae right now?

Prolly town

Regarding post restrictions:

on Day 2 we should try to adhere to our post restrictions without making them obvious for as long as possible

. Might not be possible for everyone, but try to make it look natural if you can.

What's the point of this

[SirCakez]

Really like that post Outworld and I agree with your observations

[SirCakez]

I tend to lean to 2 because scum love a lurky gamestate
Which also makes me think the original no elim plan is where we want to go

[SirCakez]

but how does not claiming them help scum

[SirCakez]

Sorry you're right I got my words scrambled I meant to say how does not claiming them help town/hurt scum

[SirCakez]

Okay, do you still need an answer to that or does #1559 clear things up.

Because not sure how else to rephrase it.

nah you're good

[SirCakez]

VOTE: murdercat
Choo choo

[SirCakez]

because i dont even know why ppl are voting you?

Then why did you vote MC??

[SirCakez]

BM I have been TRing you but you don't look good here

[SirCakez]

please explain to me
why in the world we are voting murdercat
who is transparently bleeding town
and not blitzo
who is transparently bleeding scum

Mmm why don't you do something about it instead of complaining

[SirCakez]

- Namely, Cakez finally hopping onto a lim wagon that is the MOST popular yet 1573 with little context, specifically since they don't reference why they feel

no limming is good 1555.

I also think they've been unfair in their disposition towards

me

, but this part is of least importance here.

fuck, i butchered this.

Dude I talked about no elim plan for ages in the early game and everybody knows it
You're trying to misrep me here

[SirCakez]

I don't believe these wagons will actually go to elim and so I want to indicate my SRs.
I think you are hostile here anyways. You came off as such when I mentioned my view of your posts earlier.

[SirCakez]

The last time I was present in the thread I was frustrated, and to call 1316 1331 as hostile is valid.

But my argument to your 1272 was true.
I felt that you cherry-picked one of my earliest posts (and not my whole ISO) as a means to say that I don't have a lot of content, and 1319 still did not give much information on why you thought that.

You inquired about it, and I gave an emotional answer with frustration directed at more than just your slot. Your reply in 1348 doesn't help me realize what you don't follow.

My major issue with your approach to me resides

after

my 1351. I distrust the way you frame the interaction with me.

1832 read as dismissive because you made a post about my content, I engaged, and it looked like you wrote it off by saying I shouldn't have commented.
I gave you a way to engage with me in 1351 and I don't think your assessment that I'm trying to appeal to you is accurate or fair. 1388

If I wanted to appeal to you, why am I interacting with you in hostility, in your eyes?

The assessment doesn't make logical sense to me.

1661 reads as poor faith because you're more focused on detailing why a scumread on me is valid rather than dispelling what uncertainty you have with my posts.

I can understand that we could be miscommunicating, but I don't follow your assessment of my posts and if you're town, I'd rather you work with me here.

I'm not sure why you are so hung up on that one post I quoted - as I said it was representative of your whole ISO. It was not meant to be the "one post" I was trying to nail you on.
I feel your posts are just padded out a lot with a lot of waffling and unconclusive content and I feel it could be scum motivated as people tend to go "walls = town."
In 1382 I was being dismissive, because I felt like you were looking for something that wasn't there. Thus I was calling the response scummy.
Appease =/= appeal. I'm using appease in this context as trying to diffuse pressure on you by giving me what I want, basically, by trying to "explain" yourself as town motivated.
And in 1661 I'm shooting down your claim that I haven't said why I want no-elim. Which, you still haven't explained why you said that when it's blatantly not true.

[SirCakez]

Cakez

, I'm not looking for a detailed rebuttal outlining your POV.

I want you to engage with what content I've created, and if you feel that I still haven't provided anything, don't confbias a reason to sus me, explain it.

I will try to do this - I feel you will be a valuable player here if you're town.

[SirCakez]

I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

[SirCakez]

especially so early in the game when we don't even have flips to use to look at early-game associatives

[SirCakez]

Unless I'm on a mary-go-round getting mindfucked by

Alisae/OWER

simultaneously, I like this solve.

Without ISOs elsewhere, here's where I'm at.

Strong Townreads: {Alisae, OWER}

Weaker Townreads:{Pooky, BM, Flea, Bell, Akarin, Gamma, Blitzo}

Sorting/Volatile Reads: {SirCakez, Titus, Murdercat}

Contains Scum Via PoE + Interactions: {Haschel, Reckoner, TGP}

Confident Scum Independently: {DrippingGoofBall}

I plan to resolve

{SirCakez/Titus/Murdercat}

reads.

{Haschel/Reckoner/TGP}

I STRONGLY doubt contain all scum, but they make the most logical sense in respect to my townreads.

This isn't a very realistic readslist D1 but it's 16p I'm reading in 1 week, so...

I think this is a solid readslist though although I question some of these weaker TRs (mainly Blitzo and Bell)

[SirCakez]

I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

This is such a nonsense take stuck in 2017/18 that wasn’t even sensible then imo

I mean the tell has worked for me before so I don't see why it's so bad

[SirCakez]

I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

This is such a nonsense take stuck in 2017/18 that wasn’t even sensible then imo

I mean the tell has worked for me before so I don't see why it's so bad

Can you cite specific examples where it has worked?

No I just remember it having worked

I will get to the big Taly wall later

[SirCakez]

I think they are scum:
battle mage - vote on me felt very opportunistic with a hand wavey reason that felt like he didn't want to say he was voting for the lols. And then I felt he tried to walk it back.

Flea - Flea's wall on me is like, pretty fake? A lot of quoting dumb jokes and trying to read into them and not quoting things that I think are actually relevant. It also feels like fae went through my iso looking for things to shade me on and I think fae did the same thing to Titus. It reads like setup for a future vote if my wagon becomes real. Like how does my entire iso have nothing that is indicative of town me?

It's gross how both of these scum reads are based on them attacking you

[SirCakez]

Can someone point me to any of Titus' post that justify not voting for her?

I have quoted some in my ISO

[SirCakez]

I think we can still get no elim easily

[SirCakez]

If we want task win elim immediately sets us back unless we are sure we can nail scum

[SirCakez]

Actually BM, there's NO REASON for you to dodge me, as this line of questioning is ENTIRELY GAME BASED.
VOTE: Battle Mage
Do it.

Do y'all really think getting pissy at me for an out-of-game gripe that's essentially OVER and using that as an excuse to dodge GAME-RELATED QUESTIONING is town behavior?????

This just seems like stupid beef rather then a legit reason for the vote

VOTE: Battle Mage

Call me opportunistic, I think pressures good and I trust Gamma to be doing a good thing here.

If ya'll don't like my vote, go read his ISO and make your minds up yourselves. I ain't doing it again because too much nekkid.

This vote on the other hand is definitely scummy opportunism

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Call me opportunistic, I think pressures good and I trust Gamma to be doing a good thing here.

If ya'll don't like my vote, go read his ISO and make your minds up yourselves. I ain't doing it again because too much nekkid.

This vote on the other hand is definitely scummy opportunism

Why does it feel like you're constantly trying to shade me?
Do you need a hug or something? ⊂(◉‿◉)つ

Where else have i shaded you besides your weird to-do list?

[SirCakez]

He voted town and he seems keep making meaningless votes that he himself says are meaningless.
And we had a discussion about how that hurts discussion. The majority agreed to eliminate.
So we're going to eliminate.

Who and where is this "discussion"

[SirCakez]

I'm going to start reading through the bottom 3 tiers of my reads, including my vote tomorrow.

DGB

, your focus on me has dipped a lot but I haven't ever been more present within this game than today. What gives?

I still don't feel satisfied with the main wagons.

The closest I have to scumreading one is

Murder

but they're showing a self-awareness that I don't think comes from scum often?

I've never been invested in the

Blitzo

case or reasons to sus them.

And I townread

BM

.

Like, I figured people would be trying to convince me otherwise by this point.

Start a new one then

[SirCakez]

Gamma how can I trust your BM read when it's so tainted by your personal issues
You're probably super confbiased here

[SirCakez]

I don't see any difference here on Pooky from other games I've played with him where he was town and scum

[SirCakez]

Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?

[SirCakez]

@Cakez, I already talked about how no eliminating was probably leading to people half-assing reads and votes. Making it harder for town to solve. So I asked people to decide so that it stopped.
Decision was that we were gunna eliminate someone today and we are going to stick to that.

Who agreed to this???

[SirCakez]

Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?

Yeah that’s where he gets ya. He seems “better” when he’s scum, because of what I spoke of earlier about being an agent of chaos.

@Bell - why?
@Gamma - that was the first thing I was thinking of when I picked this.
I'm currently trying to figure out how to put angry eyes on the stick without Photoshop but I'm not currently having any success.

Because he's not getting eliminated today and he seems pretty convinced he's town.
Dunno where tunnel bear went, but I don't miss him.

@Cakez, There was no clear majority so the game state was half-baked. So I asked a few people in thread forever ago to decide so we could go full-baked and they said, "yeah okay" and then I said, "yeah okay."
And that's when it was decided.
Also, Pooky just said so and it was his idea. So make a cake and stop half-baking if you're town.

ok name some names here
you just keep saying "people" and it sounds fake as fuck

I don't see any difference here on Pooky from other games I've played with him where he was town and scum

this can't be a real take

do you think yourself that there is a big difference between your town and scum play?

[SirCakez]

Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?

Yeah that’s where he gets ya. He seems “better” when he’s scum, because of what I spoke of earlier about being an agent of chaos.

yeah but in the game I played with him as scum he was actually terrible, much worse than here or Xenoblade 2 (quality of play wise)

[SirCakez]

MC seems to have given up but no elim plan

[SirCakez]

oh yeah I said I would respond to this

-snip-

I never explained myself to be town-motivated in my mind. I was telling you about a more productive way to solve me.

And I stand by my stance. It was not my intention to misrep you like you understood in 1661. I didn't explictly say you never discussed no limming at all.

I was talking about how you didn't mention it in 1555 I wanted to know how your progression changed between THAT POST and your vote on

Murder

.

I get frustrated when people tell me I don't contribute when I gave reads about the game. I'm trying to mitigate this.

I don't like feeling dismissed, and it wasn't just

your post

that I got tense over, I was also vexed by

DGB's

disposition towards me and the disconnect I had with

Akarin

.

~~~

Aside from game stuff, I will admit I was angry IRL the other night and I AtE'd in the thread when I should've just logged off.

I apologize for how I presented myself. My difficulty with IRL frustration exacerbating my negativity in the game was why I VLA'd. I behaved less than responsibly. It is nothing personal to any of you in this game <3[/b

ok I feel like I understand you more here. Do you still need my progression explained? I feel like it's pretty straightforward.
You don't need to apologize haha your posting is timid compared to some of the crap I've had slung at me lately

I also have to say I tend to read long ISOs as scum motivated because people rarely read them through and they look townie on surface level

especially so early in the game when we don't even have flips to use to look at early-game associatives

I mean, sure.

But I wall and ISO regardless of my alignment,

even in D1

.

Alisae

can vouch I do this as scum AND town, and

Titus

knows I like ISOing a lot as town.

And this isn't to take away your suspicion of me, I'm just giving you a heads up that this isn't AI by itself.

yeah I'm less sure of this point now because it is definitely player dependent
and someone (I think Pooky or Gamma) gave me shit for it and they're kind of right

[SirCakez]

Seeing as ya'll don't like my catchup brainspew quote walls...

I'm just doing brainspew walls :3

#1781 - Why?

#1782 - Good question

#1783 - Good response.

#1786 - SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! [Admit it, you read it in the voice] (✿◠‿◠)

#1791 - You're meant to try and do it, and not just have it happen. V●ᴥ●V

#1791 - Another precisely average post from DGB (7 words of nothing), why are we letting this slide? And why are we letting these votes slide? ɿ(｡･ɜ･)ɾⓌⓗⓨ?

#1803 - You wish. You're town for now but not IC levels of town.

#1811 - Oh ye gods actual content from DGB that's incredibly vaguely useful! ˓˓ ⍥⃝⃝ ˒˒

#1818 - ... I can't put my wall up in this catchup format. UNVOTE: BM - I strongly dislike the Titus and DGB votes here and the feeling is strong. I get called out for opportunism but these two get a pass? ¬ɿ(｡･ɜ･)ɾⓌⓗⓐⓣ？On what planet do I exist currently? ... actually ... don't answer that.

#1836 - I think people got more vocal and some people got more pissy.

#1839 - I kinda wanna give the sad flareon hugs... but I dont wanna get burned.

#1841 - Pooks throwing shade at E V E R Y O N E.

#1849 - ɿ(｡･ɜ･)ɾⓌⓗⓐⓣ？

#1854 - If you're town you shouldn't be self-voting anyway?

#1855 - (♡´艸`) Fair enough then

#1857 - Yup, wasn't overly impressed with it myself. But I like to show my thinking.

#1859 - I'm glad this is happening.

#1860 - Do... Do I need popcorn?

#1862 - It's called embracing the chaotic nature of my mind and rolling with it.

My mind I'va lost-a mah mind I'va lost. ma. mind. I've losta my mind I'VE LOST MY MIND

dammit now I need to work that song into a post somewhere... I think DBG might be a good candidate for it.


#1866 - Disagree. I think MC is still holding on hope for it.

see this is the kind of wall that bothers me because it's just so useless and very few people if anyone are gonna read through it
is this a Flea thing?

[SirCakez]

Seeing as ya'll don't like my catchup brainspew quote walls...

I'm just doing brainspew walls :3

[snip]

see this is the kind of wall that bothers me because it's just so useless and very few people if anyone are gonna read through it
is this a Flea thing?

Yup. It is. I get better results and it uses less spell slots if I just brain spew instead of trying to filter it

If people read it, they read it. If they don't, they don't.
If people want to ask me something, I can usually point and say "oh yeah I saw there, heres what I said" because I gotta be able to read my own drivel. If not then I say "Oh nuts I didn't notice that! brb while I go look!"

OOO would you rather me lurkey lurkerson or BRAINSPEW TO DA MAX?

i'd probably like a filter on it so I can get useful stuff out of it but whatever floats your boat

MC seems to have given up but no elim plan

I am town who doesn't really want to push for a different miselim.
Pooky knows I'm town, look at 2170.

this attitude is really bad though
as town once I let myself get miselimmed over another player and that player ended up being scum
why do you object to no elim plan?

[SirCakez]

?

the thing is a lot of it is just "emojis!" or "good" or "average"
it's hard to parse what you mean
some more straightforwardness like this person is scummy or this is townie would be good

[SirCakez]

I'll need everybody scumreading Murder to walk-me-through how this post comes from scum.

probably scum AtE
people look at it and go "oh they are accepting their elim there's no way scum would just let themselves get elimmed"
but that's precisely the point it's reverse psychology
I have used this tactic before

[SirCakez]

VOTE: no elim
I've stated my case for this

[SirCakez]

BM I can't get over how your reads seems to be structured to townread people townreading you and scum read people scum reading you
It's not necessarily scummy but why

[SirCakez]

Alisae has really vanished from this game and I don't like it

[SirCakez]

@cakez - I wish you would disappear from this game tbh.
I will also note that pooky has thrown me into his townpile.
His vote is still here and we are a day from deadline.
Why do people think he's town?

pfff where did this come from?

BM I can't get over how your reads seems to be structured to townread people townreading you and scum read people scum reading you
It's not necessarily scummy but why

That's NAI for BM.

I can still ask the question

My reasoning for MC scum is their complete lack of passion and scumhunting this game when I know they do way better than this as town
I am not interested in a Titus wagon atm, she made some very townie posts earlier.
Taly did present a decent cause for a TGP vote. I don't have a read on him aside.
We should no elim anyways

[SirCakez]

Mmmm Alisae you feel very different from Smoke Antechamber rn

[SirCakez]

Mmmm Alisae you feel very different from Smoke Antechamber rn

no
no I am not
my d1 between both games is very similar.

My scum game is very red and aggressive and controlling. Murder's read on me puts it perfectly.
This is my towngame, its very blue and I do not function well early at all.

I would describe your town game like that...
And your readslist only has two scum reads

[SirCakez]

Mmmm Alisae you feel very different from Smoke Antechamber rn

no
no I am not
my d1 between both games is very similar.

My scum game is very red and aggressive and controlling. Murder's read on me puts it perfectly.
This is my towngame, its very blue and I do not function well early at all.

I would describe your town game like that...
And your readslist only has two scum reads

I don't play aggressively until I know what I want and I have a grasp on the gamestate

hell Cakez, you even played against scum me once. I remember it because I tried to kill you in F5 or F6 or whatever.
THAT is my scumgame. Aggressive and to the point where I'm trying to brute force my agenda.

I don't even remember what game you're referring to

but tbh, I'd prefer not to no-lim

Why though?
VOTE: TGP
I'll sheep you

I think I'm voting scum. It's good to try and do the task wincon, but we can't gauge how viable achieving that wincon is just yet and even then, I'd rather solve the game through reads as well.

I understand the fear of losing potentially 3 town provided we miselim especially since we aren't grouping, but a miselim occurred, this is the time to afford one through a scumread the majority of the total plist feels.

The only way I'd be 100% OK with no-limming is that MORE people claim rooms so we can actively work to group and prevent the possibility of 2p rooms.

This should happen

[SirCakez]

I am planning on visiting the Reactor myself

[SirCakez]

are you gonna murder face me????

[SirCakez]

Actually please do lol me dying for scum confirmation is a good deal

[SirCakez]

I don't even remember what game you're referring to

hungarian music?
it was a game plot modded

Oof that was a while ago
Games leave my memory after a few months

[SirCakez]

I have Reactor and Comms
I didn't claim earlier because I was waiting for a popcorn that never materialized

[SirCakez]

I don't see a reason to vote here

[SirCakez]

I don't see a reason to vote here

In the general no-lim sense? Or you don't think that looks like BM acting like they know Blitzo is town, starting to make a self-doubt post, and then spending the rest of the post on a 100% assumption of Blitzo-scum.

The former but also the reasons people are SRing BM here just seem to be BM being BM

[SirCakez]

If we do go elim route then I want MC, TGP, Blitzo or Haschel

[SirCakez]

The former but also the reasons people are SRing BM here just seem to be BM being BM

I have 0 experience with BM and haven't read any games with them. Do you think the post that raised my hackles is also typical for them?

which post was this?

A bunch of people said "I don't know why MC was wagoned" and then suddenly the wagon stopped.

Which is the thing I was questioning. I thought I made myself pretty clear.

I feel like Murdercat went from top wagon to not happening really fast and with no one actually defending them.

I concur very weird (even though I want no elim)
BM and Titus wagons feel scum driven counters

I don't think I wanna vote out murderkitty. Tbh.

hi MC's scum buddy!

I don't see a reason to vote here

In the general no-lim sense? Or you don't think that looks like BM acting like they know Blitzo is town, starting to make a self-doubt post, and then spending the rest of the post on a 100% assumption of Blitzo-scum.

The former but also the reasons people are SRing BM here just seem to be BM being BM

Pretty sure I’ve done a fair job pointing out how it’s very much not that but w/e

I really have not gotten that considering I've asked you before and you admitted you have beef

[SirCakez]

I guess I'd say Cakez, Taly, Pooky, and BM. And I'm townreading Taly and Pooky.

I guess maybe I contributed too, at least stealing away momentum, but the wagon was feeling like it was going too quickly when I checked in last night and I wanted to make sure it didn't hammer before I got time to come back to the game.

how was I involved in this other than moving to no elim? (which I've been saying the whole game I wanted)

Okay. Do you think Cakez+BM are scum? I could see it myself. Cakez seems dedicated to gaslighting me by painting my BM push as a personal gripe.

bro it feels exactly the same as your Xenoblade 2 push where you were both town
what is different here?

I am fine with Akarin's plan in 2182
I go to Electric if MC is elimmed?

Taly if you have your choice of elims who is it?

[SirCakez]

Ok but if anything he seems better here then Xenoblade 2?

Yeah that’s where he gets ya. He seems “better” when he’s scum, because of what I spoke of earlier about being an agent of chaos.

yeah but in the game I played with him as scum he was actually terrible, much worse than here or Xenoblade 2 (quality of play wise)

Well he tries to use his bad play as a cover
His quality is not the thing at the core of how I’m reading him. It’s his behavior pattern and way of posting.

like Gamma can you elaborate on this?

[SirCakez]

TGP is a decent elim but I don't see why he's at the top of your list?

[SirCakez]

I really have not gotten that considering I've asked you before and you admitted you have beef

Yes it exists but I'm NOT the one promoting it. It's him and you making it like that. I have personal grievance with his playstyle but it's not why I SR him. I SR him because he's lining up with his scumgame more than his towngame from what I'VE seen, and your counterpoint of the scumgame you saw didn't really do anything to impact how I see things, and it also lead to the second issue with BM's play which is he tried to sidestep his own self-meta in an attempt to make me the bad guy.

ok I will stop referring to it then
What scumgames are you referring to here?

[SirCakez]

You think Haschel is bussing?

[SirCakez]

You think Haschel is bussing?

I don't know why else

Haschel

focuses on

Titus

unless it's like him as town to just sit on one person for the entirety of D1.

he wants a miselim?

[SirCakez]

Cakez are you coming to Electrical?

depends if MC dies or not

how was I involved in this other than moving to no elim? (which I've been saying the whole game I wanted)

The timing of your move back to No Elim.

ok fine

last bit

cakez

vote someone, if we no lim it might as well be because we run out of time.

i still think a lim can be pulled off on more than one slot, contrary to

BM

.

I want a no lim, as I've said...

[SirCakez]

Haschel is not a bad elim but also like we've discussed the merits of no elim a lot here

[SirCakez]

in Akarin's plan we were going to Comms which is fine with me

[SirCakez]

Like half the rooms now have people assigned to them so everyone should have a place to go no?