Mini 598 - Justice Justice - Abandoned

[Korts]

Great, the thread's open? I guess we start the game, now.

Vote: Glotnot

because I don't know how to glot anyway.

[Korts]

What's your reason, buster?

[Korts]

I'll give ya_its_me 2 days or he's gone.

Gone as in modkilled?

Also, skitzer, if babies are bad, then you must be bad, 'cos you started out a baby. I'm sorry, but you have to go.

Unvote

Vote: skitzer

[Korts]

Nice OMGUS.

Vote: VanDamien

Gosh, way to be a hypocrite, eh?

[Korts]

Sorry,

Unvote, Vote: VanDamien

[Korts]

Skruffs, it's pre-game Nebraska, not N1. When it's night in Oklahoma, D1 of Nebraska will start.

I know I didn't vote you, but I was the one to question you for lack of reason. Techically it's an Oh-My-God-U-Suck-For-Asking-Random-Vote-Reasons vote. Giving joking reasons sparks joking discussion, which in turn sparks pseudo-serious discussion, which in turn sparks serious discussion. Lack of a joking reason sparks no discussion of the like.

[Korts]

EBWOP dang I should preview the second part is at VanDamien

[Korts]

On the other hand, my failure to deliver one of these gems, and your immediacy to jump on that, has, in fact, begun to spark real conversation. Which, with only about a week for this day, needs to happen quickly. We do not have time for joking>pseudo-serious>serious in this game.

In fact, this was kinda my whole point in doing this. I hope someone else other than you chimes in, though, otherwise this discussion won't go much farther.

[Korts]

How did i get signed up for this game... O well

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

because Zombies get frozen solid and since penguins only live in cold places it would be really easy to kill frozen zombies, almost like killing babies... I like babies and so you must die you Baby killing zombie eating penguin.

lolwut?

[Korts]

Actually, Skruffs, I don't think the nebraska mafia have a nk pre-game, either. Yeah they can talk during Oklahoma D1, but I don't see how they can talk strategy when the whole town is listening.

[Korts]

Gosh, that's so sweet. I'm gonna have your vote, tonight/tomorrow/whatthehell?

I'm guessing no PM's pre-game. Ask the mod, though.

[Korts]

oh, my bad. So the Nebraska mafia get to night talk before the game starts, and possibly do nks, but the oklahoma mafia don't ? That hardly seems fair ot the oklahoma mafia!

Wait what? You're crying over injustice to the mafia of the game we're playing? Gosh.

Unvote, vote: Skruffs

[Korts]

Sir yes sir.

[Korts]

Skruffs, I'll defend myself in Nebraska, but hypothesizing about the setup from what I gathered is hardly a strong scumtell. And I don't know how correct the information I supplied you with is.

Meanwhile, I realize it's not much of a point, but would you kindly reply to my... well, call it accusation. Or is the last part of your post in regards to that?

[Korts]

oh, my bad. So the Nebraska mafia get to night talk before the game starts, and possibly do nks, but the oklahoma mafia don't ? That hardly seems fair ot the oklahoma mafia!

Wait what? You're crying over injustice to the mafia of the game we're playing? Gosh.

Unvote, vote: Skruffs

Do you mean this?
Okay. Well, what would be the benefit of actually crying over perceived injustice to the mafia in a game I Am playing in, publicly, as mafia? This is why I voted Angelmouse. The idea is a sensationalistic one and not actually based on common sense and/or logic and/or deduction. If you are sure that you aren't scum in Nebraska then I Am happy to vote you instead of Angel, but she was the first one on the vote count anyways.

Short post, I'm halfway out the door. That wasn't really serious, but since I didn't see any activity, thought I'd ask you to comment. For want of a better wagon, I'm staying with you, now. The logic in your last sentence I can't quite follow.

[Korts]

unvote

I'll put a great big post in later today.

[Korts]

My thoughts:
Angelmouse's response was completely and totally oppurtunistic: She gave absolutely nothing for me to respond to except a vote, and has left nothing ot be tracked back to her except that vote, which doesn't mean anything because she can write it off as random later on.

I gave nothing for you to respond to, because you didn't have to respond. Total over reaction I feel to your mistake, not trap. Oh and I wont write it off as random later on, it wasn't in any form.

I feel you are backtracking for a big boo boo you made but moaning in the tread about the set-up (which mod I feel is great!). If you had a problem or question about mafia rules ask the mod in a PM. My vote wasn't opertunistic, it was because you were moaning about the fairness to the mafia. Saying now it was a trap is a very handy way of getting out of your mistake. Plus you have confused everyone to make them believe it was a trap.

My vote stays

Vote: angelmouse

I think the trap explanation is completely plausible taken my reaction. I realize that it was, in fact, a loaded question.

However, your reaction is pretty much OMGUS. I know that technically you were the first to vote Skruffs, and technically that makes it his vote that's OMGUS, but you jumped on Skruffs' wagon echoing a BS reason, which I mainly brought up for a reaction. You echoing it like it was a valid argument makes you pretty scummy. And when Skruffs votes you with a valid accusation, you effectively confirm your vote on him, with basically nothing more as an argument than OMGUS. The points you bring are only borderline valid at best, and I feel are more personal than called for.

[Korts]

Can you point to places where you have publicly said, as town, that people trying to set traps for scum are scummy? I'm sure you must have at least once, since you 'often' feel that way.

Since when do you require meta to back up a personal opinion?

[Korts]

I'm calling his bluff - as you would know if you hadn't conveniently clipped the part right below where I used my own meta-example. If someone attempts to use a meta I am allowed to ask for instances where he has actually done or said that, ESPECIALLY since I have evidence to the contrary.

I don't see where WLC (I hope you don't mind me abbreviating) was actually implying a meta example. If he was implying one, you asking for specific instances is called for, of course.

[Korts]

Also, thank god it's a 12-player game....

mod:

please prod J-man. Also, has Glotnot confirmed? He doesn't have a single post in-thread.

[Korts]

Mod: You have me voting for two people, and I believe chaotic_diablo is voting for me

also, you list angelmouse as having 3 votes, and there are only two people listed

[Korts]

I think angelmouse is a better candidate for a lynch than ZS. I see your points, though.

[Korts]

Don't attack ZS for his strange ideas about mafia. I've been in another game with him where he showed that his stance regarding WIFOM, claiming and bandwagons differed from the mainstream, and this resulted in his D1 lynch. He turned up town, of course.

[Korts]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8148

link to the game.

[Korts]

angelmouse should claim.

Unless you're being sarcastic, huhwhat?

Maybe she'll claim scum, who knows?

[Korts]

Alright,

Vote: Skruffs

for trying to hunt Nebraska scum in Oklahoma.

[Korts]

AH HAHHAHA
Shouldn't you have been voting me for that YESTERDAY?

Vote: Korts

Yeah, that kinda would've made more sense...

unvote

Gotta reread.

[Korts]

Aaah! This game has like, a constant day!
chaotic_diablo-what is the point of angelmouse claiming? we're all vigs...

vote: Skruffs

your trap doesn't seem to work...

skitzer, I think you should treat Nebraska like a completely different game. Tells from Oklahoma won't be valid in Nebraska.

[Korts]

Vote: ZombieSlayer54

Have you forgotten we are playing a different game?

I.E. The roles in Oklahoma are NOT the roles in Nebraska.

I know who I'll vote D2 of Oklahoma, then. Hey, that sounds familiar.

[Korts]

The roles in Oklahoma are NOT the roles in Nebraska.

As in, he feels that the vote on him in Oklahoma was justified, taken his role.

[Korts]

ZS is saying he's scum in Oklahoma but not in Nebraska.

Yeah, that.

[Korts]

So, who can I safely hide with Nebraska Night 1?

Not me, I'm scum, like Skruffs said.

[Korts]

We could always vig him. I mean, it's night choices time in Oklahoma.

[Korts]

EBWOP

We could always vig

ZombieSlayer

. I mean, it's night choices time in Oklahoma.

Corrected.

[Korts]

Go ahead. You will find I am townie. I myself am saving my vig for when I am 99% sure if someone is Mafia or not. At this point, if I used my vig, it may as well be random.

By the time you're 99% sure of someone's guilt, they'll have eliminated enough of the town to win.

[Korts]

That was an exaggeration, Korts. I meant I do not want to use my single vig barely a day into the game. I want to save it for when I have some semblance of factual suspicion against someone.

A freudian slip isn't enough of a fact? Well, naturally, I'm asking the wrong person.

[Korts]

Also, are we sure that angelmouse isn't dead entirely? Because he is listed as lynched not in the Oklahoma game, but in the general players list, which I take to mean he is out completely.

Yeah, strange.

[Korts]

Seeing the votecount, I assume angelmouse is alive in Nebraska, then.

[Korts]

Further, the contexts of abnormally and normally are totally different. What would make this instance abnormal? 'Normally' kabenon would see it as a scum tell, so he voted for WLC.

WLC-kabenon connection?

[Korts]

Further, the contexts of abnormally and normally are totally different. What would make this instance abnormal? 'Normally' kabenon would see it as a scum tell, so he voted for WLC.

WLC-kabenon connection?

I'm not quite sure that I follow. Considering that, if they were mafia, they wouldn't have had the chance to speak to each other yet (as there hasn't been a Night Phase), so they couldn't have made this plan. Then again, they could simply have made it up on the fly. However, if so, they went about it the completely wrong way. There's to much risk that WLC would be seen as scum. At most, one is Mafia and the other is Town, because there is always that possibility. However, at the current time, I'm suspicious because of the incident that WLC voted saying kabenon hadn't posted immediately after kabenon's post, but I doubt that either is scum.

What I mean by the connection is that kabenon declared that

normally

he'd suspect WLC, but for some reason initially he doesn't. When pressured for this, he votes him. But this isn't all that important a point, I'm usually against seriously looking into connections until at least one scum's pegged.

[Korts]

Well, the best lynch seems to be WLC for now, but idunno. maybe we could opt for a no lynch?

[Korts]

I'm pretty convinced ZS is scum, but in Oklahoma. That Freudian (?) slip was pretty indicative that in Nebraska, he's town.

Vote: WeyounsLastClone

[Korts]

Dammit, I was wrong.

[Korts]

What do you mean, am I dead? Day 1 we lynched angelmouse in Oklahoma...

So what did I get the FoS for?

[Korts]

AngelSlayer?

[Korts]

I'm really gonna have to dig into this game sooner or later... Give me a day to reread, and I'll give you something...

[Korts]

Okay, perhaps this sparks discussion. I was the one who vigged ZS.

[Korts]

Oh...I think ZombieSlayer in Nebraska is maf with J man. Because he isn't maf in this game, and they are somehow connected...

oh well,

vote: J-man

Vote: skitzer

What exactly made you think ZS and J-man are connected? And if they are mafia in Nebraska, why do you think J-man is mafia in Oklahoma, too?

[Korts]

You shouldn't have said that, Korts. Scum now know that you are 'not a threat' to them, and will most likely not go after you until the end.

Maybe, but unless someone else claims the ZS kill, this means I'm pseudo-confirmed, no? Therefore my claiming helps narrow down the suspicions.

[Korts]

Okay, what can I say to that? I'm not scum, and I claimed because the game was stalling.

[Korts]

It's not like I should be infallible, ZS. [/ghost]

[Korts]

This Oklahoma D3 now, right?

[Korts]

And what would be the sense in that, kabenon, one scum using their vig and the other claiming the kill?

[Korts]

Oh yeah, I see. So the scum would effectively save a shot, by having that player confirmed by the kill.

[Korts]

I actually don't get it. You say Korts hasn't used his shot, but is claiming to have done so instead of another scum? Now Korts, who still has his shot left, draws all the attention, possibly getting himself lynched/killed, losing his vig-shot he supposedly has left in the process. Something's fishy here.

What attention? Nobody has really placed that much attention on him. He isn't under that much suspicion. And yes, if the scum who had used their one shot was the one who claimed the kill, then it is more likely they would be left alone and therefore the scums with a one shot left were more likely to be found.

I'm saying if this is a ploy, and Korts is scum, I think he still has his kill left.

But this is a dumb ploy, because it puts the scum who has a kill left at risk by having him claim and therefore in the spotlight of the town. It wouldn't necessarily get the scum lynched, but with him in the spotlight, any mistakes made would be doubly noted.

[Korts]

Misrepresentation. My argument was that no-one counterclaiming pseudo-confirmed me as ZS's killer, and this narrowed down the line of suspicion.

[Korts]

I know. That's what I thought at that moment, anyway. The logic goes something like this: if I'm confirmed as ZS's killer, that means that my kill is spent, and therefore I'm not a direct threat to the town. Therefore, for now, I can be removed from the list of lynch candidates.

But I realize that there are theories that blow a hole in this line of thought, for instance the scenario that kabenon said. I'm starting to think my lynch would be the best worst case scenario for the town, since having lost my vig, I'm less of a threat to the mafia than everyone else. I don't know what information there is to be gained from my lynch, but who knows?

[Korts]

sorry, post 280 was written in reply to 278.

[Korts]

Skruffs, the reason I vigged ZS and not you is because of ZS's slip that I attributed to him being scum. Basically. But I realize there's not much for me to do on the subject of a defense, as the case on me is all speculation. Lynching me... well, I wouldn't say it would be the least harmful, lynching scum would be less harmful, but yeah, it would be the best worst scenario for town.

[Korts]

hey, it's easy to call my vig stoopid once you know ZS's alignment.

[Korts]

Careless, maybe. But I had suspicions that conversation wouldn't be as intense so as to warrant a ZS lynch overt that single point, so I chose instead to vig him. Yes I was wrong, and I'm willing to take responsibility for it, but all I'm saying is that it's easy to act wise once you know the outcome.

[Korts]

killa, good contribution. Srsly.

[Korts]

Empking, don't tell me a single vote is better than everything I put into this game.

[Korts]

I think it better that yours, Kort.

explain.

[Korts]

Empking, these are killa's posts today.

didnt realise i was alive in oaklahoma.
re read

woah, i missed alot i guess. i need a re read

vote korts

If you think that has been more helpful than my contributions today, just say so.

[Korts]

If it had been just the one post that's unhelpful and empty, I wouldn't have called him out for not helping. But it hasn't been anything else. You're very quick to jump at me for attacking him.

[Korts]

Yeah, he must be playing real good/hard if you only just noticed D3 that there's a player called killa seven in the game with us. I'm thinking

unvote if needed, vote: killa seven

[Korts]

Bah. Go town.

[Korts]

So the whole series is cancelled? Shame.

I really liked the idea, it was just more than a little bit confusing seperating the two ongoing games mentally.