Mini 598 - Justice Justice - Abandoned

[VanDamien]

EBWOP: And ~1.5 hours before that.

[kabenon007]

Yeah, what is it with people and not reading the thread? Normally I would see that as a scumtell... so might as well not stop now.

Vote WeyounsLastClone.

[kabenon007]

Also, are we sure that angelmouse isn't dead entirely? Because he is listed as lynched not in the Oklahoma game, but in the general players list, which I take to mean he is out completely.

[Korts]

Also, are we sure that angelmouse isn't dead entirely? Because he is listed as lynched not in the Oklahoma game, but in the general players list, which I take to mean he is out completely.

Yeah, strange.

[angelmouse]

Also, are we sure that angelmouse isn't dead entirely? Because he is listed as lynched not in the Oklahoma game, but in the general players list, which I take to mean he is out completely.

I don't think so....pm-ed mod to ask. Nothing more from me till I know.

[chaotic_diablo]

If you want to, go ahead and vig me. You will find I am pure Vanilla.

Can't you find an alternate method for your argument? I don't enjoy scare tactics.

[Glotnot]

I don't think that's scare tactics. Seems more like a bluff, to be honest.

I would like to see Weyoun's rationalization of his vote on kabenon, considering he said the vote was because kabenon hadn't posted, although the post directly above this claim was from kabenon......

[killa seven]

im here yes yes im here, everyone favorite player has arrived.

[Max]

31st May, Day Over

Korts (1): Skruffs
Skruffs (1): Korts
ZombieSlayer54 (1) J-Man
chaotic_diablo (1): Chaotic_Diablo
killa seven (1): VanDamien
kabenon007 (1): WeyounsLastClone
WeyounsLastClone(1): Kabenon007

skitzer (0)
J-man (0)
Glotnot (0)
VanDamien (0)
angelmouse (0)

[Korts]

Seeing the votecount, I assume angelmouse is alive in Nebraska, then.

[angelmouse]

Just confirmned that I'm alive here. A lot of discussion on yesterdays game. I think it's going ot be interesting to watch how people change from one game to the next.

[VanDamien]

Well fine.

unvote
Vote: WeyounsLastClone

[skitzer]

vote: chaotic-diablo

he's acting funny.

[Skruffs]

Mod can you explain the vote count? Just curious what makes someone go 'to the top' or stay at the bottom?

[chaotic_diablo]

vote: chaotic-diablo

he's acting funny.

Well you're acting funny too. Funny in a not so funny way. How's zhat?

I'm beginning to think ZombieSlayer's posts are more style based rather than scum based.

unvote

vote kabenon007

for what I feel is a WIFOM vote.

[Skruffs]

How is it WIFOM?
:curious:

[chaotic_diablo]

WLC voted kabenon on misread. kabenon capitalized this to vote for WLC under the pretense "normally" he would have seen it as a scumtell. It makes no sense to not change your opinion if the situation is abnormal. What are normal conditions to kabenon and why he refuses to change his opinion isn't listed. As a result, I'm thinking kabenon was just dumping his vote on WLC half-heartedly. Personally, I think the vote wouldn't have come if WLC had voted someone else.

[Max]

Mod can you explain the vote count? Just curious what makes someone go 'to the top' or stay at the bottom?

No particular reason, but it happens that way maybe my subconcious... If you want a special way of ordering I may consider, but it doesn't make much of a difference with no tie-break and a no-lynch at deadline means There is no need for it.

[ZombieSlayer54]

Vote WeyounsLastClone

Because even if he is not scum, at least we have a townie who does not care to read the thread out of the way.

[kabenon007]

I always find people who don't read the thread suspicious. That is the normally. So I figured "Why change my ways now?" Please go back to voting yourself now.

[angelmouse]

I got the impression from WLC's vote that it was a random vote, with a funny reason rather than misreading that kabenon had posted. But seeing as he hasn't cared to comment on this and explained himself he isn't exactly doing himself any favours.

[Glotnot]

Good point. chaotic_diablo, you're defending someone that hasn't even defended themself. But I wholeheartedly agree; the vote probably wouldn't have come if WLC hadn't voted. Because then there would have been no reason to vote for him. Saying that one person only votes for another because this other makes a specific post is an obvious assumption. If everyone went around randomly voting and didn't based these votes on something, it wouldn't be a very interesting game. In fact, the alternative that you are suggesting is completely ridiculous (people

not

basing there votes on other people's actions), so I can only assume it was fluff added to your post and that you didn't mean it to have any actual relevance.

The conclusion I come to is that kabenon is probably "dumping his vote" because WLC voted for him for a ridiculous reason and still hasn't come back to defend himself when the reason made no sense. I, personally, see this as completely reasonable.

Further, the contexts of abnormally and normally are totally different. What would make this instance abnormal? 'Normally' kabenon would see it as a scum tell, so he voted for WLC.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Well, I don't really know what to say if a random vote causes a bandwagon of 3 votes on you.

It was a random vote, I was looking through the list of players, and thought I caught a name that didn't post yet. Obviously, it was kind of stupid, because the one I mentioned posted directly before me. Without wanting to get in WIFOM territory, I don't think bad reading is a scumtell. If scum read the game badly, they only cause problems to themselves. Scum that don't read the game are pretty bad scum in my opinion. As for me, I just wanted to get a vote on the way. I do think that of the people voting for me there'd be a scum. I think ZS reason for the vote is actually quite decent, kabenon I can understand because he was the target of the vote, so that leaves VanDamien as most suspicious to me (also because the only thing he says is 'well... vote xxx'.

So

unvote. Vote VanDamien.

[Korts]

Further, the contexts of abnormally and normally are totally different. What would make this instance abnormal? 'Normally' kabenon would see it as a scum tell, so he voted for WLC.

WLC-kabenon connection?

[VanDamien]

Well, I don't really know what to say if a random vote causes a bandwagon of 3 votes on you.

It was a random vote, I was looking through the list of players, and thought I caught a name that didn't post yet. Obviously, it was kind of stupid, because the one I mentioned posted directly before me.

Not kind of stupid. Really stupid. Seriously, I had to check and recheck the timestamps to make sure I was seeing them correctly. The thing is, the idea behind your original vote isn't necessarily a bad one, since as fast as these days are, and without furious posting pace, tracking sown the lurkers could be a valid tactic right now. That you didn't take the time to make sure you were getting it right is lazy or overeager.

so that leaves VanDamien as most suspicious to me (also because the only thing he says is 'well... vote xxx'.

So unvote. Vote VanDamien.

After giving you a 36 hour window to explain yourself in, I felt the pressure was needed. I thought the reason was obvious since I pointed out the mistake in the first place.

Without wanting to get in WIFOM territory, I don't think bad reading is a scumtell.

In some ways, I agree.

Because even if he is not scum, at least we have a townie who does not care to read the thread out of the way.

I think ZS reason for the vote is actually quite decent

You agree that mislynching someone because they aren't paying attention is a good idea? Maybe - maybe I'd agree with you if this was day one or maybe two of a large normal, and by removing an unhelpful distraction it would make the scumhunting the rest of the game more productive. But what good would it do here? You wouldn't be out of the way, you're still around for the rest of Oklahoma, and all of the other 9 justice series and the endgqame game. ZombieSlayer's reason for voting you is horrible.

So the question becomes, for me, is that reasoning, or your agreeing with it, scummier?

I do think that of the people voting for me there'd be a scum.

And this, the blinders you put on, only trying to find scum in the three people voting for you makes me happy with where my vote is at for now.

It makes no sense to not change your opinion if the situation is abnormal.

Does it then follow that it makes sense to change your opinion if the situation is normal?