Mini 598 - Justice Justice - Abandoned

WeyounsLastClone · Post Post #175 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2008 1:27 am

Some points to respond:

At this point we have really little information for Nebraska. We agree that votes are necessary to get this game going before the deadline. In that respect, if ZombieSlayer is voting, I understand he uses my mistake as reason for voting me. With such short deadlines I think scum can more safely join bandwagons, for example with the excuse 'a lynch is better than a no lynch', or just for a simple error (in this case). I think townies will also follow this, but more close to the deadline.

angelmouse · Post Post #176 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2008 5:47 am

I personally would have thought the scum would be the ones hoping on at the last minute using the excuse that you can't really no-lynch to oust a town player. Also in these circumstances there may be a lot of bussing going on to "look" town in the dying deadline times where scum are hoping on scum bandwaggons to save their skins. These players would have looked like they weren't going to vote that person earlier in the day. Mind you that is just my opinion and there hasn't been a case of that yet.

I also agree with VanDamien's reasoning on ZS's vote. I don't think lynching town at all in this set-up is helpful, no matter wehter they can read or not. In others maybe, but no this one.....

(sorry got to run, will post more later tonight)

chaotic_diablo · Post Post #177 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2008 7:27 am

God damnnit. I meant OMGUS, not WIFOM. Damn acronyms. Have fun.

Glotnot · Post Post #178 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2008 11:48 am

Korts wrote:
Glotnot wrote:Further, the contexts of abnormally and normally are totally different. What would make this instance abnormal? 'Normally' kabenon would see it as a scum tell, so he voted for WLC.
WLC-kabenon connection?

I'm not quite sure that I follow. Considering that, if they were mafia, they wouldn't have had the chance to speak to each other yet (as there hasn't been a Night Phase), so they couldn't have made this plan. Then again, they could simply have made it up on the fly. However, if so, they went about it the completely wrong way. There's to much risk that WLC would be seen as scum. At most, one is Mafia and the other is Town, because there is always that possibility. However, at the current time, I'm suspicious because of the incident that WLC voted saying kabenon hadn't posted immediately after kabenon's post, but I doubt that either is scum.

ZombieSlayer54 · Post Post #179 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2008 11:54 am

Van Damien is right. Even if WLC is lynched this game, he is still in the other nine games I have to play with him.

Unvote WeyounsLastClone

Korts · Post Post #180 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2008 12:02 pm

Glotnot wrote:
Korts wrote:
Glotnot wrote:Further, the contexts of abnormally and normally are totally different. What would make this instance abnormal? 'Normally' kabenon would see it as a scum tell, so he voted for WLC.
WLC-kabenon connection?
I'm not quite sure that I follow. Considering that, if they were mafia, they wouldn't have had the chance to speak to each other yet (as there hasn't been a Night Phase), so they couldn't have made this plan. Then again, they could simply have made it up on the fly. However, if so, they went about it the completely wrong way. There's to much risk that WLC would be seen as scum. At most, one is Mafia and the other is Town, because there is always that possibility. However, at the current time, I'm suspicious because of the incident that WLC voted saying kabenon hadn't posted immediately after kabenon's post, but I doubt that either is scum.

What I mean by the connection is that kabenon declared that

normally

he'd suspect WLC, but for some reason initially he doesn't. When pressured for this, he votes him. But this isn't all that important a point, I'm usually against seriously looking into connections until at least one scum's pegged.

Glotnot · Post Post #181 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2008 3:20 pm

Ah, I see what you're saying now. My mistake. I took your connection a different way.

Skruffs · Post Post #182 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 4:14 pm

Hmm. Need to catch back up.

Glotnot · Post Post #183 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:38 am

Considering the deadline is (as far as I know) tomorrow, we should probably either start generating discussion or pick someone to lynch.

Korts · Post Post #184 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:44 am

Well, the best lynch seems to be WLC for now, but idunno. maybe we could opt for a no lynch?

ZombieSlayer54 · Post Post #185 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 12:54 pm

I thought we all got killed if we did not lynch anybody? Or was that only Oklahoma?

VanDamien · Post Post #186 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 1:59 pm

So, how about voting, instead of just saying we need votes, hmmm?

Glotnot · Post Post #187 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 2:32 pm

I don't think any of us had said we need votes. I said we need to find a lynch, Korts suggest WLC or a no lynch, and ZS said that he thinks we die if there is a no lynch, which I thought was the case anyway.

But if you insist on a vote, then I'm going to have to go with WLC.

Vote: WeyounsLastClone

WeyounsLastClone · Post Post #188 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:39 pm

Where do you get we all die? I think Zombieslayer's behavior is erratic and strange, and he's also seeding fear with his comments.

Unvote. Vote ZombieSlayer54.

Korts · Post Post #189 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:52 pm

I'm pretty convinced ZS is scum, but in Oklahoma. That Freudian (?) slip was pretty indicative that in Nebraska, he's town.

Vote: WeyounsLastClone

Max · Post Post #190 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 2:08 am

31st May, Day Over

WeyounsLastClone (4): Kabenon007, VanDamien, Korts, Glotnot

chaotic_diablo (1): skitzer
Korts (1): Skruffs
Skruffs (1): Korts
ZombieSlayer54 (1) J-Man
VanDamien (1) WeyounsLastClone
kabenon007 (1): Chaotic_Diablo

killa seven (0):
skitzer (0)
J-man (0)
Glotnot (0)
angelmouse (0)

No Lynch

Max · Post Post #191 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 2:44 am

D2 Oklahoma:

When you wake up, metaphorically there were two maimed bodies on the floor, that of ZombieSlayer54 and the of Glotnot. Both were in the safety of their own home and in their home was found a single gun, with a single bullet.

ZombieSlayer54, Town, Killed Night 1
Glotnot, Town, Killed Night 1

9 Alive, 5 To kill

Korts · Post Post #192 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 4:29 am

Dammit, I was wrong.

Skruffs · Post Post #193 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 9:08 am

You are dead in this game, now, aren't you?

Jyust to make sure, players alive in one game but not another, only talks in the first game, right?

I thought the deadline was today but later in the day. Grr.

We are at 9 players. If the same thing happens this time around as last time, we'll be at 6 tomorrow, which is a lost game. The mafia would have the same number of players as the town, and even if the town lynched correctly, it would be 2-1 in mafia's favor day three. So let's lynch correctly.

Fos: Kortz

though.

Korts · Post Post #194 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 9:29 am

What do you mean, am I dead? Day 1 we lynched angelmouse in Oklahoma...

So what did I get the FoS for?

Skruffs · Post Post #195 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 11:06 am

Wrong game, I guess. I was still involved in Nebraska when I said that, I saw the vote count. (Which btw you are voting twice in)

Okay. So who was more likely killed by AngelSlayer?

Korts · Post Post #196 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 11:01 pm

AngelSlayer?

VanDamien · Post Post #197 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:29 am

Skruffs wrote:You are dead in this game, now, aren't you?

Jyust to make sure, players alive in one game but not another, only talks in the first game, right?

I thought the deadline was today but later in the day. Grr.

We are at 9 players. If the same thing happens this time around as last time, we'll be at 6 tomorrow, which is a lost game. The mafia would have the same number of players as the town, and even if the town lynched correctly, it would be 2-1 in mafia's favor day three. So let's lynch correctly.

Fos: Kortz
though.

There is something here that makes me

Vote:Skruffs

WeyounsLastClone · Post Post #198 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:47 am

I really didn't like Skruffs play day one, and his behavior now isn't making it any better.

Vote: Skruffs.

I don't know if the exact same thing would happen tonight. A lot of townies should still have their vig, and with two lynches, it should give enough information that at least some townies can use it to kill a mafia.

Skruffs · Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:12 am

Angel mouse.

Wow, two quick votes without any reasoning to talk about.

That's true. In fact, we could probably win easily by making a simple system wherein everyone kills, say, the person below them on the list. Mafia only has one kill, so the three townies 'beneath' the mafia would only lose one player, and everyone eslse would die.

Of course, I don't think that system would work, if more than one mafia is 'next' to another in the list. So we'd need to think of something better. WE could start by all agreeing to chain-vig each other, and then after we have who each person would vig, work from that.

That's my

Game Breaking

idea for the day.