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Which is why I'm not sure. Ideally, a combo cube should have enough beats that people who don't get there on the combo can get there on the ground, but I don't even have a clue how the balance would work for that.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I suppose I could do the newbie thing, and just make my first cube a standard power cube.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I've only cubed like twice, but my favorite parts were always finding neat interactions in cards I wouldn't use if the format didn't require it. I remember taking cards thinking "well, it fits the colors I've drafted", and then having some fun with it.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Madcap is interesting, mathematically. It les you get a guy through and gives +3 damage, which means it's better value than Searing Spear if you land once. Really, the only real drawback to playing Madcap instead of Spear is that you need a creature in play to use Madcap, and Madcap only aims at the dome. For a Gruul Deck Wins, those drawbacks are minor.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I would say you probably don't need Pyrehearts in the board if you're running Madcaps, though. I'd be tempted to run Thundermaws for the midrange match, but it's an expensive card, and costs five to play, so I'm unsure.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Basically. You aren't dancing around, being subtle. You're dropping threats and making the opponent respond. Aggro wins by having more problems than the enemy can answer.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Yeah, but I feel like an aggro deck would rather topdeck a creature at 4 than a Chandra. I would imagine that if Aggro is in a topdeck situation where Chandra is better than Hellrider, something has gone wrong.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Personally, I just feel like Power Creep has gotten way out of control. I liked Standard back in the Rav/TSP era, just because it felt a lot more like a game with long term consequences. Now a lot of it comes down to who rips the better bomb off the top at the right time.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Modern is easier to get into, I think, but requires more work keeping up with the various sets. And I find it less fun.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I'm legitimately curious, Shea- what would it take for you to actively enjoy standard, from where it is now?One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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For what it's worth, I think it's fairly clear that Standard is bad; it's why I quit playing. I guess I was asking more along the lines of "What's the practical solution?" Power creep is getting out of control, ETB triggers are everywhere, creatures are overtaking actual spells; what does the next block need to introduce to get Magic back to a more enjoyable level?One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I suppose that, so long as Magic's profit margins are based on "Look at all these fucking overpowered rares", there's no real hope that the trend will reverse itself.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I want an entire set where every card is One with Nothing.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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From what I remember, Zoo is a thing in Legacy. So are Goblins, Elves, and Dragon Stompy. None of them may be tops right now, but all are viable to play. Most successful aggro does trade some of Zoo's pure aggression for some sort of combo reach- my favorite is the Zombie Bombardment deck.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Well, I'm using "combo" fairly loosely. It's been a while since I've been a part of the legacy scene, but the aggro decks that were best for me were the ones that had something to reach for the last few points. It's also entirely possible that a lot of the decks I'm used to simply aren't around anymore, of course.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Anything that lets me get my hands on Thoughtseize is okay in my book. Didn't want to have to spend ridiculous amounts for a playset for Smallpox.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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To be fair, Shea, you do hate everything. That's not related to this, specifically, but it deserves to be pointed out.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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You should splash black, and then call the deck "Grimm's Junk"One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Personally, I wouldn't bother with Forbidden Alchemy. I'd just run Opportunity in those slots.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I have UR Cloudpost. It's Pauper, but might still have useful trades.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Anybody see Twoo's new Archangel of Thune deck? Looks really fun, and he did pretty well with it, but it's always hard to tell with a Twoo deck.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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He had a straight BW build, where he was using Soulmender, Blood Artist, and Path of Bravery to trigger Archangel, with Cartel Aristocrat and Xathrid Necromancer as an alternate sacrifice plan.In post 3258, hasdgfas wrote:
I've seen an Archangel deck. No idea whether it's Twoo's or not. Had Scavenging Ooze, Gavony Township, TrostaniIn post 3257, Sudo_Nym wrote:Anybody see Twoo's new Archangel of Thune deck? Looks really fun, and he did pretty well with it, but it's always hard to tell with a Twoo deck.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Here's what I'm thinking about (haven't been able to build or play yet):
4 Gatecreeper Vine
4 Goblin Electromancer
3 Archaeomancer
2 Mist Raven
2 Saruli Gatekeepers
1 Elvish Visionary
4 Ghostly Flicker
4 Negate
4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
3 Amass the Components
2 Divination
2 Harvest Pyre
4 Evolving Wilds
4 Izzet Guildgate
4 Simic Guildgate
3 Island
3 Mountain
2 Forest
1 Haunted Fengraf
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4 Thunderbolt
4 Frostburn Weird
2 Essence Scatter
2 Naturalize
1 Wildwood Rebirth
1 Mist Raven
1 ArchaeomancerOne time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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So who wants to test?One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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It's a trap, Oman! MTG is an unreal realm, fraught with annoying fat kids, tryhards, and never ending money sinks!One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Just completely changed my deck one day before my match is scheduled:
4x Ubul Sar Gatekeepers
4x Saruli Gatekeepers
4x Ogre Jailbreaker
1x Liliana's Shade
2x Crocanura
2x One-Eyed Scarecrow
2x Grave Exchange
4x Murder
4x Victim of Night
4x Devour Flesh
2x Tragic Slip
4x Sign in Blood
4x Dimir Guildgate
4x Simic Guildgate
4x Golgari Guildgate
7x Swamp
1x Forest
1x Island
1x Evolving Wilds
SB
3x Essence Scatter
2x Psychic Strike
2x Bloodhunter Bat
2x Dead Weight
2x Natural End
4x Beckon Apparition
So I guess this is Flickerless Flicker. The deck is intended to take advantage of some of Flicker's synergies, without being dependent on them. Most of the deck is dedicated to killing my opponent's stuff so I can drop a 4 drop. I have Crocanura and Scarecrow in the main since my weakest matchup is Delver.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Jailbreaker is fine; if you've got a better suggestion, I'm open to it. I wanted a more controlling deck that didn't rely on Archaeomancer, and Ghostly Flicker gets worse if you don't abuse Archaeomancer.
Mist Raven didn't make it in because it costs double blue, which I didn't want to pay. Bloodhunter Bat is in the side.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Also, it's hilarious watching my opponents hold onto their negates because they're waiting for Flicker that's never coming.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Lost a mirror match. Don't like to complain, but G1 I literally drew 11 lands in a row while my opponent beat me in the face, and g3 I had to mull to 5 to get a land in my hand. So I'm not sure if that result means I have too many lands or too few.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Descendant's Path is really cool, but you need 30+ creatures that can trigger off it to make it work.
Personally, if I were building on a budget, I'd try RDW:
4 Firefist Striker
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Mogg Flunkies
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Rakdos Shred-Freak
3 Splatter Thug
4 Foundry Street Denizen
3 Dynacharge
4 Pillar of Flame
4 Searing Spear
22 Mountain
Probably could put that together for less than $20.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I have faith in Wizard's ability to exploit anything well enough to generate profit.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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So, I lost my R1 match, but my opponent never reported, so the judge gave the win to me and dropped my opponent. Interesting.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Complete skill, I assure you. Things worked out exactly as I intended.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Channel reprint ploxOne time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I say they scrap Theros, and just reprint Homelands.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I think the point is that you can't really tell what cards will be "core" until you get a real spoiler. Right now, you might see a card and think it's good, only for it to have bad support or another card that neutralizes it. Meanwhile, they're are plenty of cards that look meh, but become core cards because they play roles in good decks you can't plan. I think time has shown that if you want the good singles post rotation, the best plan is to buy a box beforehand and hit the trades.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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There's got to be someway to abuse this is in a Kiln Fiends/Nivix Cyclops style shell.
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I said that style, not the exact deck. Cyclops decks use a lot of non-targetting spells to boost Cyclops/Fiends. But you still are going to be borrowing a lot of the Mizzium Skin style effects from that deck.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I don't think deckbuilding is as simple as "Cut the rotating cards and look for replacements." You're going to be brewing in a new environment, and the interactions and meta are going to be different. Simply saying "Okay, this is sorta similar, so use it to replace" isn't going to work out very well.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Sure, some times some cards are so good that you know you'll use them. And some archetypes like MUC are always looking for the same sort of gameplan. But most archetypes will change dramatically as the cards they need to interact with change. It's an argument that really only affects the fringe cards and the roleplayers, but would something like Crippling Blight have seen any play at all in a meta without Thragtusk? Would Dissipate see play in a meta without Flashback? Most cards are like that- they play important parts of strategies because they happen to have good synergy with other cards in the meta, or happen to neatly counteract others. Change the interactions, and you change their playability. There may not be a card like Hellrider in the new set, but RDW may not even need or want it, depending on what else there is to look at.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Come on, Shea, there's no need to him. If the art helps him avoid a , then I say we shouldn't that option.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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It was actually quite easy.In post 3461, Thestatusquo wrote:You used the new art for browbeat. How could you?One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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You know what would be awesome with this set? Academy Rector.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Honestly, I think it's a strictly worse Drownyard. Milling is only really good in the control matchup, and this takes up a non-land spot. In the control matchup, it'll be really nice; in other matchups, it's going to be really mediocre. I'm going to want a UB control deck, but this seems like SB material, not mainboard.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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True. Ashiok's stock goes up in a slower format, and Theros looks like it's going to be slower than Innistrad was. I still think that milling is way overrated as a tactic, though.In post 3504, Natirasha wrote:I agree it's not drownyard, sure. I think it depends on the rest of Theros and the format. If UB get something that can boardwipe, or if the meta is slow enough, I think Ashiok has a place in the main. If it's a fast format, then no, it's sideboard tech.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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The effect is neat, don't get me wrong. But she can't protect herself, the second ability is unreliable, and the ultimate may as well not exist. It's good for inevitability in the control match-up, but I just don't see it being good enough consistently enough to bother. Every once in a while you'll mill the exact right creature, come back around on your turn, and blow out your opponent with it, but it's certainly not something you'll see happen every match. If you want a good creature to drop, might I suggest running a creature in that slot instead?One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Not sure how I feel about devotion as a mechanic, but I'm hoping it means mono-color becomes a thing.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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And if her ability targetted specific cards in your opponent's deck, that would be great. But it only targets the top three. Which could be something good, or something irrelevant. You could very well mill their best creature, or a few counterspells. You can just as easily mill three lands. She doesn't remove threats that actually hit the table- she only removes the possibility of a threat, and only if it that threat happens to be in the top three cards.In post 3515, xRECKONERx wrote:
No, because the purpose of this is to get rid of their threats as well.In post 3512, Sudo_Nym wrote:The effect is neat, don't get me wrong. But she can't protect herself, the second ability is unreliable, and the ultimate may as well not exist. It's good for inevitability in the control match-up, but I just don't see it being good enough consistently enough to bother. Every once in a while you'll mill the exact right creature, come back around on your turn, and blow out your opponent with it, but it's certainly not something you'll see happen every match. If you want a good creature to drop, might I suggest running a creature in that slot instead?
People seem to underestimate how powerful it is just to get rid of shit your opponent can't play. Especially in control matchups -- a hand with one or two counterspells is disruptive enough already, but also being able to remove threats from the game?
"Unreliable" is basically saying "magic is a game of random chance and randomness is unreliable" which, I guess, is true. But so is drawing an answer to anything, or drawing a threat. I don't get the critique.
I'm not saying she's unreliable because "Magic has an element of chance", and don't put words in my mouth. She's unreliable because Mill does precisely nothing to affect the state of the board, and it's usually useless until it wins- if you're getting beaten down, you don't want the planeswalker, you want an answer. If you're trying to control the board, you want a spell, not the planeswalker. She doesn't answer anything, she just gives you the possibility of maybe milling away something, and maybe getting a chance to steal it later. But so many things have to go right that I don't see it being worthwhile- you have to cast her in the first place, you have to protect her, you have to hit a creature with the +2, then wait a turn protecting her again, and then maybe put the creature you milled into play, assuming you actually hit one and it didn't cost more than 5. Otherwise, you mill again, and hope you hit something again? If you can consistently pull that off in a meaningful way, then you're probably already winning the game.
Control decks don't play Drownyard because they're trying to mill away their opponent's threats. They play Drownyard because it gives them a consistent, inevitable wincon that's difficult for a control deck to interact with. Ashiok is not consistent, or inevitable, or difficult to interact with, and she does nothing to help you win the game unless you're already winning the game. You have better uses for a card slot.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I doubt the Prophet is going to see much play. She's not costed aggressively enough for her ability to matter in the current standard. If things really slow down, then maybe- getting her to stick is probably game over, if some deck can make it work. It just feels very win-more to me, though.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Ad Hominem. I've played lots of magic, including in the current standard. I don't play limited, however.In post 3520, xRECKONERx wrote:sudo don't you not even play standard or really any actual magicOne time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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I disagree, but the argument isn't going to be settled here. Once we see how the new format actually looks, we'll have a better idea of if she's playable or not. And if she's better than I'm evaluating, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Is it just me, or does Modern look like a lot more fun than Standard does?One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Chamber knows what I'm talking about. Mill has never been strong as a mechanic, because it doesn't affect the board state. If you're stopping to mill your opponent, you're falling behind to an opponent who is actually developing his board. Mill does nothing unless you actually won the game with it. That's why, historically, the only mill cards to see serious play either win the game on the spot (Brain Freeze), or are very cheap to put in your deck and use (Drownyard). This planeswalker is neither of those, and I don't think stealing a creature is going to be consistent enough to make up for it.
And it's hard for me to believe that Wizards really cares about interactivity and power level when they're printing four mana indestructible mythic God cards.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Or the entire Hexproof mechanic, really.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Right, and I don't think it'll happen often enough to matter, and it can't happen the turn she comes down. Her entire playability is going to depend on the -X ability, so we'll see how it fairs in actual play.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Which is part of my point. You're stealing nothing this turn, so you're spending a three drop and a deck slot in the hopes that you get to mill and steal a four drop on your second turn. But you could have done something else with your turn three, and then played a four drop next turn anyway. And it's unlikely that a random four from your opponents deck is going to have more synergy with your deck than the four you could have played instead.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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It's a random 4, assuming you actually get a random four. You can also get a random 3, a random 2, a random 1, or nothing at all. Against a lot of decks, nothing at all is most likely- if you've noticed, even aggro decks aren't stuffed full of creatures, from a numerical point of view. You're basically giving up everything else you could have done with three mana so that you can maybe steal a creature? And engine is a little strong- it's a card that does nothing when it comes down, maybe does something the turn after it comes down, and how many times will even have a chance to maybe do something? Your opponent isn't just going to let it sit there and accumulate counters, and it's probably going to be at low loyalty if you ever actually get the -X off.In post 3558, Fate wrote:
except....In post 3549, Sudo_Nym wrote:Which is part of my point. You're stealing nothing this turn, so you're spending a three drop and a deck slot in the hopes that you get to mill and steal a four drop on your second turn. But you could have done something else with your turn three, and then played a four drop next turn anyway. And it's unlikely that a random four from your opponents deck is going to have more synergy with your deck than the four you could have played instead.
the random 4....
costs MANA? uses up an entire turn?
Like I have no idea what you're arguing... that he could eb a different card (creature) altogether???
Planeswalkers are engines. 3 mana planeswalker engines are usuallly very good. Ajani wasn't, but what engine does ajani build? None. You need to have a creature already, so he was kinda bad.
This one is a self contained engine, that if not dealt with, will provide value every turn. You can argue that the value is bad, but I think its a powerful effect in a lot of MUs
So you're looking at spending your turn milling, maybe getting something, maybe surviving, maybe getting to cast it for free, and maybe surviving to do it more than once? And this is your engine? I suppose it could work- blue is notoriously terrible in Magic, and can't possibly do anything else worthwhile with three mana, so you might as well.
And what's the Domri Rade comment have to do with anything? "I argued about Domri Rade with other people, and they said it was terrible, but it wasn't. Therefore, a completely different card in a completely different context in a completely different context with a completely different person must also be good."One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Interesting article on drafting in M14: http://riptidelab.com/take-it-part-one/One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Still a three mana counterspell, but could be better than dissipate with flashback rotating out.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Such as?In post 3591, Fate wrote:it does a few things if you aren't being narrow mindedOne time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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Well, it's a 1 mana counter, and 2/2 birds become less significant over time. It's not a decision you snap-make, but it's worth keeping in mind.One time, back in 'nam, Sudo was set upon by an entire squadron of charlies. He challenged them all to a game of Pictionary, which he won resoundingly. The charlies were forced to not only surrender the skirmish, but also their world-famous chili recipe, which Sudo sold to Texas for a hefty profit. Sudo is a master of diplomacy.-
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