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"we need to take our time and make sure to hit scum"
"random vote"
"join my wagon"
do you see how these statements don't match?-
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yeah as far as you go, you didn't RVS vote, so you earn a scum read
and no, voting everyone then unvoting isn't an RVS vote-
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Espresso
I've seen enough. There's no way Espresso isn't scum. If I get a venge kill and he's alive, I will kill him regardless of what anyone else thinks.
@ Skelda: I don't have authority to say what is good and what is bad in this game. I only have my opinion, and that is what I'm using. Feel free to agree or disagree.-
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thats fine, I'll take the shot then
note worthy: I just played 2 games with town espresso. this is not town espresso-
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truthfully, yes
Espresso didn't play the same way in both town games. But when he was under pressure, he consistently had 2 kinds of responses: frustration/paranoia and defeat. He has never, ever, gone for the jokey sarcastic route. He also knows me well enough to know that my scum read on him was serious. He has also never been this eager to talk setup strategy. Right now he looks spastic, he isn't pushing for any scum at all, is only talking setup, and is defending my read on him with sarcastic posts admitting he's scum.
pedit: oh boo hoo, threats are anti-town, no way could the majority ever be wrong, especially when almost half the town is scum-
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from just a baseline, there's a 50-50 chance that Espresso is scum. this alone strengthens my read considerably-
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In post 64, Espressojet wrote:One thing more, pants: you were also wrong about my being scum in those two games I was town. If you're so sure you can use both of those games as evidence against me, why have you not considered this?
Has anyone ever told you the definition of insanity?
lol what. by the end of day 1 in both games i was town reading you-
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no, but you straight up lied
in 2 previous games, I ended up getting a correct read on you before the end of the first day
in the last game, i even stopped you from getting mislynched
so your suggestion that I'm bad at reading you is incorrect-
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the idea that aggressive scum hunting play is coming from scum is stupid
why?
because scum doesnt want to get hit by vengeballs
best scum play is to stay quiet and get town read-
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right
so as scum, the goal is to avoid being lynched and balled
scum wins by playing conservatively-
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if scum plays sub-optimally on purpose than its a win for town
plus, if you know what scum is likely to do, then all you have to do is look for who is doing it
btw though, that post was the equivalent of a prod dodge. add that you are scum reading me and voting me, but finding my actions pro town, and I think you go in the scummy pile.-
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In post 101, FakedBlogger wrote:In post 100, Csareo wrote:The above comment is something scum would say.
It's the naked truth. Why do you say it's scummy?
And do you seriously suggest we should stfu about our scumreads like scared little lambs? You've just layed bare your insanity. Your proposition is stripped of rationale. Nude madness! Unless of course you're overeager scum caught with his pants down. Have you just unveiled your scummy penis?!
More info is needed to unveil what's going on with you, sir.
yeah so you are for sure scum as well
like seriously this looks like your just twirling your scum mustache and cackling evilly while you write this-
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I like Csareo's theory, and I agree with it for the most part. I think my goal this game is to take a really strong stance against lurkers, and try to get people as active as possible. The absolute best thing we can do is get the scum teams hunting eachother early for town cred.-
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hes taking the game way too casually to be scum hunting
him and naked jogger
wheres the paranoia? wheres the fear of messing up for your team, composed of members you aren't supposed to know?-
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no, instead everything is a bad joke or a pun
how can they be so calm? its not like they're actually scum hunting-
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thinking about it, i think the best thing for this game is to be transparent about town reads, and to highly encourage activity
scum reads are going to fluctuate a bit, but keeping a consistent track of who is town (ie actively town), who is scummy (actively scummy), and who is lurking, is going to end up being important.
the fact that we haven't heard anything really from clusk and ZZZX makes me worry, especially ZZZX.-
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Espresso, who is your top scum read this second
no argument, no nothing, just the name-
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you shouldnt
hes known for playing well as lurky scum
i think hes scum and clusk is town amongst the lurkers
my scum reads currently are espresso, skelda, naked jogger, and aphix. zzzx is worrying because hes lurking, but he hasn't done anything "scummy"-
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well then thats your opinion
i scum hunt mostly by reacting to things. i see things, i react. this gives me flash reads which strengthen or weaken as the game goes on. eventually, i see something that pings a strong scum tell and i hunt that person into the ground. but if i dont push people early, then i dont get the content i need to put together a good case later.-
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In post 164, Skelda wrote:
As for Pants, I don't know. He could go either way for me. If he is scum, I definitely see him as a Goon though, so I don't think I plan on pushing his lynch, at least not today.
eh what
so i could be scum, but you arent going to hunt me because if im scum im a goon? how does that make any sense?-
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having a "goon" read is stupid
if you think someone is scum, you should lynch them. you have no way to know whether or not they are a godfather, and trying to hunt for the godfather instead means town is looking for 2 players instead of 4. its bad strategy.-
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In post 174, Skelda wrote:In post 172, Clusk92 wrote:And how exactly are you gonna separate your scumreads into Godfather and Goon categories? Do you think the Godfather will be more careful in his play?
Depends on the person. Some people are loud and obnoxious no matter what, which might be the case with Pants here.
This is the case with me. I am physically unable to not be loud when I play.
now, yes it is better for godfathers to get lynched. but the best way to do this is to hunt scum normally, and hope your scum read flips godfather. if they flip goon, thats still better than a town lynch.
its like your saying "i cant scum hunt for just anyone, i gotta make sure i lynch the scum PR!" in a game where such a statement would fit the setup. its a bad way to scum hunt-
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conf scum every day
every scum you lynch increases your chances of winning, taking a risk and hoping for a 2 for 1 could lose you the game-
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its as simple as that
all i want is to avoid lynching town, i dont care at all whether i lynch a godfather or a goon-
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i have a strategy idea:
if you are town, and you get lynched, vengekill the scummiest person who isnt on your wagon
heres why:
4 scum, 9 player pool
majority vote is 5 players
if a town player is lynched first, then we have a
5 player group and a 3 player group
if the lynchee vengekills within the 5 player group and misses, all we can know is that there is at least 1 scum in the 5 player group
if the lynchee vengekills within the 5 player group and hits scum, we have no idea of the distribution of the rest of the scum
if the lynchee vengekills within the 3 player group and misses, we know there is at least 2 scum in the 5 player group
if the lynchee vengekills within the 3 player group and hits scum, we know there is at least 1 scum in the 5 player group
so optimal day 1 play if we mislynch is to have the lynchee vengekill out of the 3 that didnt vote for them
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if we lynch scum day 1 or if scum is vengekilled, we do the same plan with smaller sets
if we mislynch and the vengekill misses, we lynch someone from within the 5 person pool from the previous day. we would know at least 2 are scum, so odds of hitting scum are good. if we mislynch there, then the vengekill should go one of the 2 players remaining from the 3 player group from day 1. if they hit town, then town loses either way, but it would mean that at least 3 of the 5 people on the day 1 lynch were scum. to combat this possibility, i propose that we form a town block for the initial lynch that consists of the best town reads we currently have
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note as well that this is simply about optimal use of the vengekill. it would not change how we scum hunt in any way-
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yes but check this out:
heres how we pick the group of 5 and the group of 4
we each submit our top 4 town reads (not including ourselves). the five players who are town read the most will become the group of 5, and will decide the lynch
if scum doesnt try to put themselves in the block, they're likely to get lynched day 1. if the block gets filled with scum who town read eachother, they're likely to get lynched day 2.
plus, if people start submitting lurkers as town reads, then we have some huge associative tells if the lurker flips scum. this prevents scum players from lurking and hoping town self destructs-
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ok
so heres where my reads are now at
town to scum
csareo
skelda
clusk
Bullish
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aphix
Naked jogger
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lol i have no problem with a zzzx lynch
if i was mislynched, i think i might even risk the vengekill on him if he was still alive-
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actually i feel a little better about it
arguing that he isnt a godfather, not that he isnt scum, would be a bizarre move for scum to make-
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this is stupid
we should have decided on a lynch sooner, we've just wasted this day-
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In post 279, Flubbernugget wrote:
Hey Pants can you give your reasoning behind 245?
"this is stupid
we should have decided on a lynch sooner, we've just wasted this day"
Town stopped posting, we ran out of steam, we never compromised on a lynch. So the day has been wasted, and we got nothing done.-
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so you want a lynch, but not espresso or ZZZX. but, if a player gets a vengekill, you hope they would use it on ZZZX
seems legit-
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if you are town then
a) i didn't lynch you when it was easy
b) i had zzzx as town
c) i had espresso as scum from page 2
i've been lazy but im one of the 2 townies left-
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NakedJogger
Bullish
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My. Milked Eek
1 town, 1 red godfather, 2 blue scum
Town loses if we lynch the red team godfather today. i suggest that the red team's godfather claims, as by doing so they will not get lynched and town will not lynch from the wrong scum team. if town is lynched today, then red loses as well.
I nominate the red godfather as the 3rd townie. Help us win, because its the only way you won't lose.-
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ok so
NJ isnt the red team godfather, or the blue team godfather. the self voting gambit essentially proves that.
my best guess for the red team godfather is Eek, given his interactions with Espresso
this leaves Bullish, Flubbernugget, and NJ, 2 of whom are scum.
day 1 lynch:
In post 330, DoctorPepper wrote:
ZZZX(4) - NakedJogger, Bullish,Espressojet,aphix
Espressojet(2) -Dr Pants, Skelda
NakedJogger(1) - FlubberNugget
Bullish(1) -ZZZX
Not Voting(1) - My Milked Eek
day 2 lynch:
In post 373, DoctorPepper wrote:
aphix- NakedJogger, My Milked Eek, Bullish,Espressojet
NakedJogger(2) -aphix, Flubbernugget
Espressojet(1) -Dr Pants
Bullish is probably a Blue scum. NJ and flubber are the only people I could see being town. Eek is the red godfather.-
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you have been on both town lynches. people voting for you have flipped town. you only have 1 town read, despite the fact that if you were town/red team, then you should have 2 "town" reads (those being actual townies and the red godfather, who is essentially town today)
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NJ is probably the other townie.
Why? Because he entered lylo by voting for someone. Scum has daytalk, which means blue scum's play is obviously "wait for someone to vote a non-blue player, then quick lynch".
NJ can't be red godfather since Espresso was pushing for NJ to get lynched.-
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NJ is most likely town because of the self voting gambit. Espresso's push makes it incredibly unlikely that NJ is the red team godfather. The fact that the move could have easily resulted in NJ's death also makes it very unlikely that NJ is the blue godfather. Its possible that NJ is the blue goon, but its unlikely. Most likely, NJ is town, Eek is red godfather, and Flubber/Bullish are the blue team.-
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Bullish is also probably not the red godfather. On both lynches, he and espresso voted consecutively. Scum teams rarely vote back to back.-
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