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Oh, and I meant to post my standard opening blurb before everything gets going: I will always aim to get scum, but lurking sucks and is scummy and so I won't let lurkers go unpressured or unnoticed for long. I really don't want to have to lurker-hunt though so if everyone could oblige by not lurking, that'd be awesome[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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If we can fit in more than one good lynch, we definitely should. But, as Singing Librarian said, crapshooting as quick as we can because we can is a really poor idea.
Let's aim to get one good lynch, then see how much time we have left and what the situation is. It may be that by then, we have another "let's get 'em" suspect in the wings.
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I honestly thought more than 2 days had passed. My bad. 6 pages of posts, lots of talk about Superfly, and no Superfly. I got my sense of time distorted. :/
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I disagree, on the basis that, ideally, any moment now Superfly should be posting. There's no need to lay a page 1 case against Superfly out in all its glorious detail before he gets to the thread. Let's see what he has to say for himself first.Surye wrote:All I want to do is establish some pre-lynch information that a lynch will help to enlighten us, and not just needlessly risk a townie. Once we set that up, a lynch would be town benificial as far as I see, and Superfly is as good as anyone at this point.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Superfly doesn't deserve votes for not posting, I'm not calling anyone out as a lurker yet. He deserves votes because he is the vote-leader, with non-random votes on him, and is yet to post. With 12 to lynch, why not turn up the heat a little?
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The bandwagon on Superfly does have a lot of unanswered questions about it. Those answers won't be forthcoming til Superfly posts, though, and it's unfortunate that he's turned out to be late to the table
Cyberbob: don't put words into my mouth, I'm not intending to get an earlier appearance out of Superfly by encouraging more votes on him. I am, however, hoping to get more pressure on him when he does turn up and I am also hoping to avoid another lynch-shy game like Lost Boys was.
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Superfly has posted, and I actually kinda liked his post. No (super) flies on him, yet.Unvote: Superfly. I figured that Primate didn't have anything on him, but a full-strength bandwagon at this stage of the game can really throw scum for six, and it's worth doing something like that to see if anyone behaves particularly oddly.
Again, I wanted to see how people would respond to a bandwagon - whether anyone would be too eager, or whether people would be too defensive. If Superfly ever does die, these first few pages will be worth a revisit, too.Panzerjager wrote:Dasquian, the point is if Primate would have chose to vote Sensfan or myself, we would have gotten the same responses because we hadn't posted by that point. Meaning you saying we should vote Superfly because he hasn't made a post yet is stupid.
Surye certainly gets my attention now for opposing the whole Superfly bandwagon while Primate and myself were being ambiguous, and laying into him now he's back because he said the l-word. Is this an attempt to buy into lurker hate? Because although I appreciate the sentiment, I agree with those who have said he was just AFK, not lurking. Very different thing.
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Unvote Surye- the opening blurb all but spells out that the mayor exists and is a pro-town role in the game, and here he is claiming it with Nab backing up one of his investigation results. No reason to disbelieve him now.
Both BM and Cyberbob's investigation results are incriminating, BM's moreso, so I can't see me not voting one of them today. No vote right now, but probably in my next post after a quick reread of the thread.
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Didn't like this at all. Encouraging townies not to spell out excuses that a mafia member on the spot genuinely might not think of, then get lynched for, is good pro-town play! Sure, sometimes it's obvious, but sometimes it's not and smart townies don't do the hard work for scum.Battle Mage wrote:
It concerns me how happy you are to conceal information from others.armlx wrote:Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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OK.Battle Mage wrote:Erm, i kinda already claimed.
DasquianDasquian wrote: Also:Battle Mage wrote:armlx wrote:Facepalm. Superfly, keep those kind of outs secret until one of them has to actually claim.
I totally disagree - it's a natural impulse that doesn't help town, so warning townies off being flappy-jawed is a generally good idea. I didn't think armlx was "trying too hard" at all.Battle Mage wrote:It seems liek Armlx is trying too hard to attack people for doing something that is pretty natural impulse. Ive had it in another game, and frankly, its nothing short of opportunism in my eyes.
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What the hell - you vig-killed Sarcastro on N0?
Also, Cyberbob: put yourself in our shoes. You've got a cop-dirty on you, and you are giving us nothing to explain that away. If it's your word against the cop's, sorry, I'm going with the cop for now.
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I recommend that we all go to BM's house and pick up guns. I also recommend that we do thistogetherand keep an eye on each other as we do it. I also recommend BM isn't totally stripped of guns since, if he's a vig, he's probably more competent at using them than the rest of us.
Of course, same goes if he's scum or a SK :/
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So, you have (had?) a collection of guns at your house and you killed Sarcastro N0. Why, exactly, should we believe that you're a vig and not just a garden variety goon?Battle Mage wrote:
Umm yeh. Who wouldn't!?Dasquian wrote:What the hell - you vig-killed Sarcastro on N0?
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I went to BM's house like I said I would, intending to leave one there and redistribute the ones I brought back. There were no guns there :/
Vote: Cyberbob. His claim of being vanilla directly contradicts cop evidence; if the evidence is bad then tonight, Surye should tell everyone he comes into contact with who gave him that evidence, and if he's still alive, tell the thread tomorrow.
I think we should also lynch BM today. There is nothing to prove that he's actually a vigilante. He's already killed N0 and, predictably, got a townie, and I really don't approve of N0 vig-kills. He had a crapload of guns, and now he doesn't, so he's not even worth keeping around as a vigilante unless we decide to give him some back. Thoughts?[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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I still think lynching BM is a good idea:
- He's no longer a vig, if he ever was one (no guns anymore!)
- Incriminating cop result (intrigued as to what flavour gives a vig so many different firearms)
- He killed N0, not pro-town vig behaviour
- There were only 2 night-kills last night and the mod has told us there are 2 mafia groups. See above - he has claimed one of them.
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Come on guys, this is a no-brainer.Battle Mage wrote:Clearly the scum are awesome, as they offed the 2 greatest threats to my personal enjoyment of the game.Vote: Battle Mage(I'm assuming that since Cyberbob is lynched, the votes are reset?)[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Sure, I get that a mafia kill could've been blocked while a vig kill wasn't, making the numbers add up.
What about the quote though? If you're a vig, why would you imply your kill was a scum kill? It really looks to me like he was all for playing along with the "I have no idea who killed Sarcastro but I'm glad they did" line until he was forced to make the only claim he possibly could've made.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Sure, I don't think he should be claiming straight away, or giving away any hints. But what he did say seemed to be anSurye wrote:
Honest question: Should a vig be claiming on page 1?Dasquian wrote:What about the quote though? If you're a vig, why would you imply your kill was a scum kill? It really looks to me like he was all for playing along with the "I have no idea who killed Sarcastro but I'm glad they did" line until he was forced to make the only claim he possibly could've made.
And what do you think he would gain from taking credit for the N0 kill, when he could have simply let it slide?anti-claim, if he really was the vig. Actually pinning that death to the mafia if he knew he did it himself is a really contradictory thing to say.
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I didn't see that the N0 death scene had finally been posted, with information about the means of the two deaths. There's a good chance I wasn't the only one - another count against BM. Let me list it out for everyone again:
- Has a load of guns at his house
- Excuses this by being a vigilante, but chose to kill N0
- Also congratulatedscumfor this kill on page 1, before he knew he was going to get implicated when Surye claimed
- Kill subsequently counter-claimed by Primate
- Guns are inconsistent with Sarcastro's flesh wounds caused by a knife
This is really, really straightforward. We lynch Battle Mage now.
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This is a reasonable statement. Frankly I'm mystified as to why pro-town BM would kill Sarcastro N0Primate wrote:I don't see a compelling reason why a scum BM would claim a kill that he didn't actually do, knowing that there's someone out there who might be able to counterclaim him. I'm pretty much certain there's something else going on here.at all, let alone claim to do it. However, if he was part of the scum-group which kill Sarcastro, he could happily claim the kill as a vig (hence my earlier attention to the lack of a second mafia kill if Sarcastro's death was at the hands of vig-BM).
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I'm calling Shenanigans. With Primate's death and subsequently proven credentials, we now know that Sarcastro died in Primate's house, and the body dumped.Battle Mage wrote:oh and btw, sowwy Primate. I genuinely thought you were scum. 0.o
There is no way BM could've gone to Sarcastro's house, searched for him, found him alive and outside, killed him,and then put the body in Sarcastro's housefor Sarcastro to find. The only way BM could be telling the truth is if he found Sarcastro's corpse outside and shanked him, not realising he was already a stiffy.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Ok, fine, I just wanted to clear up exactly what you did and didn't see, as you tagged that assumption onto the end of your witness account.Panzerjager wrote:No, i was in the kitchen, but i got hit by the trap..Prim was up stairs I was in the kitchen and BM can kill people with his KNIFE...Sounds like he fucking killed sarc to me.
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I don't like ABR's new-found bully-boy tactics one bit :/
Ending the day doesn't seem to be a brilliant plan to me, either. Why don't we, at the very least, use the time to rout and possibly lynch some lurkers? I don't think we should do a cull of lurkers but we've already used this day really well (assuming wehavelynched two scum), so it's not like we have to "waste" our lynch or time if we want to chase people trying to stay under the radar.
In that vein... who is being quiet? muffinhead hasn't posted a lot of substance or recently, and neither has Awesome Pants (although he has posted recently). What do you two think we should do next?[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Hey, I'm making no apologies for changing my mind around then - particularly as I changed it from "BM possibly is a vig" to "wait a minute, he's a clearly a psycho".
*setup speculation begins*
And I stand by the assertation thatif Battle Mage was a pro-town vighe should have been alllowed to keep a gun. That was on the assumption that killing roles would be made different from non-killing roles in more ways than just ownership of a weapon: I was assuming the mod would put in the chance for vanilla townies to miss, or forget to turn the safety off, or something.
*setup speculation ends*
Once again, I don't like day-time vigilante justice threats. If you want to vote me for expressing my opinion, be my guest. If you want to try to rally the town into a lynch, I won't be happy, but that's the game. But do you really think you're helping the town by taking up a one man, one vote, one bullet stance? I don't.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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What's the vote-count on ending the day? I still don't think it's a great idea on principle but Nab raises a fair point that if we don't have any goals (ie, plans to lynch) for the end of the day, it'll be a self-fulfilling prophecy and nothing will get done.
Re: skitzer's trip. Yeah, the logic is broken, and skitzer has admitted it too. Fact is though that either skitzer is telling the truth, or he's not and isn't going to back up on his story. Is it worth a bunch of people taking a quick trip to his house to verify that the bedroom door is, at least, locked?[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Well, if he got caught lying and was off doing something completely different, there's a very good chance a search of his house will prove it when his bedroom door is unlocked, no? It seems stupid to go down this line of accusation and do nothing to resolve it.
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He definitely knew that he'd be noticed, because he warned us that he might be disappearing to lock his door.
FOS: Hjallti, Natirasha- he might've been doing something untoward but you two seem far too keen to assume he must've been. I still think there's a large possibility he really did think he was doing something useful/self-protective.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Checking in - busy night :/
I'm on board with Hjallti's motion, but I can't help feel it's a little loop-holey. Still, if the mod allows it, we should definitely do it.
armlx & Natirisha - it seems obvious to me that armlx sent a night choice something along the lines of "I hide in my house so it looks like nobody is in", and Natirisha did indeed investigate him. With Surye and armlx both confirming the latter, that's definitely true, and with the timing of armlx's info the former is almost certainly true too.
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ABR: what the hell, dude?
Day-vigging a cop is a serious fuckup and I am not in the least bit sorry ABR has had his guns revoked, especially given I was getting the vigilante justice threats yesterday just for questioning him.
The main reason I'm not going to drop a vote right now (beyond not knowing for sure what the vote-count / number to lynch is) is that it seems like any scum who would want to survive longer than five minutes wouldn't do something this stupid, particularly afteranother scum did exactly the same thing the day before. The mind boggles :/
ABR, please could you go into more detail about what happened at your house last night. Could anyone else who was there give their side of the story too?
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I don't like the assumptions-taken-as-fact that ABR is scum, or which scum he was part of. It does seem like a pretty safe assumption that someone who dayvig's a cop, then self-hammers before being dayvigged himself is scum, but having established that, surely he's out to confuse? I wouldn't want to make any assumptions based on anything ABR said in his last few pages.
Let's just remember that until the mod tells us who he was, we don't know anything for sure.
Need to do a reread as far as a vote is concerned; I find Hjallti's and armlx's posts mildly worthy of mention but not even a FOS. armlx for making a list that doesn't contrast with mine very well (I have SL as being reasonably pro-town, and think he's been a little over-zealous in trusting people), and Hjallti for following it so readily, as Awesome Pants stated.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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Bzzt. This isn't ad hominem at all; I'm FOSing you for what you're doing, not who you are.
As the only truly reliable information in the game, the town uses the alignments of those who are dead to move forwards and identify scum. You are proposing that we cannot do that, even though the mod has told us skitzer was a townie.DrippingGoofball wrote:Why would I pick on a dead townie, Dasquian, to sow confusion?
The implications of this are obvious: that any case that involves using the now-known alignment of skitzer to implicate or clear someone, you can now say "but that's assuming wereally cantrust skitzer to be town!" to undermine. If you seed the idea well enough that we can't trust the mod, you get a paranoid town making stupid choices, refusing to believe the evidence the mod is given it.
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Because the corruption is in character, and the mod isn't.
Mods providing inaccurate information is very very rare, IMO. It's also generally a very poor idea; not showing aligns on death is one thing, actively lying to your players is a very different one and one most mods won't touch with a barge pole. We're well into Bastard Mod territory by then.[size=84]QUACK[/size]-
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