Realistic Mafia - Game Over

[NabakovNabakov]

I just ask that they aren't armed.

[Surye]

Nab, you acted without the town, on a very critical point. Together with your GW association, and armlx's campaign to clear your names on false logic, I am very suspicious of you three.

I may be off, but I am suspicious. And as such, please, tell us what you find, but now we have a huge grain of salt to take it with.

So Albert is free to walk to BM's house, get a truckload of guns and form his own militia, but I'm suddenly suspicious because I stayed home last night, confirmed your claim, and am conducting an orderly search of Bob's house?

Seeing as K-scope hasn't picked up my action, anybody is free to go with me in real gametime. I'l even add an addendum saying that I'm open to hanger's on.

I never said I don't find ABR suspicious. But you're the one sauntering off on your own to the ONE solid piece of evidence we may have, and doing so without first consulting the town.

The difference between ABR going to BM's and you going to CB's is BM did not deny the investigation, and CB did.

[PJ.]

How about we lynch CB and then move on to lynch less obvious scum?

[Celebloki]

hmmm Now even if we go in after Nabakov we can't say he didn't tamper with anything inside CBs house either.

[Crub]

I'm going with NabNab.

How is going to CB's house affecting "evidence" we already know the cop said he had "aggressive" stuff there, either he is agressive or he isn't. Nothing we do at CB's house can affect what we know already, but it can give us more information, and help confirm/deny CB and the prospective dirty cop.

[Surye]

I'm going with NabNab.

How is going to CB's house affecting "evidence" we already know the cop said he had "aggressive" stuff there, either he is agressive or he isn't. Nothing we do at CB's house can affect what we know already, but it can give us more information, and help confirm/deny CB and the prospective dirty cop.

I'm not sure if this is attempt to poison the logic, or you really believe this, but let me spell out why.

Say the cop is clean, and scum go to the house alone, and clean up, removing any aggressive evidence, and report back negative, casting great suspicions on a clean cop, a very valuable resource.

Or the cop is dirty, and scum go alone, and plant evidence or report back the same findings, causing us to lynch a town, and us to trust a dirty cop in the future.

Did you honestly not consider these two scenarios?

[Crub]

Situation we are in now:
1. We lynch CB and find he is town.
2 -> Dirty Cop

1. We lynch CB and find he is some sort of "Aggressive Role" town or scum.
2 -> Clean Cop

Situation we will be in:
1. NabNab reports CB's house indicates CB is scum.
2. We lynch CB and find him to be vanilla town.
3 -> Dirty Cop + NabNab is scum

1. NabNab reports CB's house indicates CB is vanilla.
2 -> We're back at square 1 with some information and you should be wary of that cop, later on in the game we will have information about NabNab, CB, and the cop.

How is this a worse situation?

[Surye]

[quote="Crub"]Situation we are in now:
1. We lynch CB and find he is town.
2 -> Dirty Cop

1. We lynch CB and find he is some sort of "Aggressive Role" town or scum.
2 -> Clean Cop
[/quote]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Allignments will only be revealed at the end of a day.[/quote]

Again... not sure if it's an attempt at misinformation, or he's really not paying attention to the important stuff.

[Surye]

And since apparently it isn't clear to everyone, if we do this investigation of CB's house right, we can get a clean/dirty read WITHOUT waiting for night and risking a townie.

[Crub]

[quote="Surye"][quote="Crub"]Situation we are in now:
1. We lynch CB and find he is town.
2 -> Dirty Cop

1. We lynch CB and find he is some sort of "Aggressive Role" town or scum.
2 -> Clean Cop
[/quote]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Allignments will only be revealed at the end of a day.[/quote]

Again... not sure if it's an attempt at misinformation, or he's really not paying attention to the important stuff.[/quote]

It's not misinformation, I'm talking about when his alignment is revealed. ie. at the end of the day.

[Crub]

No matter wtf happens, even if me and NabNab get blown sky high or ABR walks up to you and shoots you in the head, we won't have any 100% information until the end of the day anyway.

[Awesome Pants]

I think we should just lynch CB. At the very worst, we'll lose a vanilla townie and the mayor will know if the detective in question is corrupt or not. At best, the mayor will be able to trust one of the cops and we'll have a scum down. Going purely off the flavour, I don't think there's much chance of the cop being insane but I guess it is another possibility. Also, lynching won't move us into night so it's not like we'll be risking the mayor's life on the lynch. Apparently he has bodguards too, so they should be able to protect him anyway.

unvote

vote: CyberBob

[Surye]

I think we should just lynch CB. At the very worst, we'll lose a vanilla townie and the mayor will know if the detective in question is corrupt or not. At best, the mayor will be able to trust one of the cops and we'll have a scum down. Going purely off the flavour, I don't think there's much chance of the cop being insane but I guess it is another possibility. Also, lynching won't move us into night so it's not like we'll be risking the mayor's life on the lynch. Apparently he has bodguards too, so they should be able to protect him anyway.

unvote

vote: CyberBob

I don't completely disagree, hence my vote still sitting on CyberBob. But I guess we'll see what Nab finds, and take that into consideration. I'm less concerned about an insane cop then a dirty cop. Dirty cops can be crafty.

Lack of role reveal makes me sad.

[Awesome Pants]

I don't completely disagree, hence my vote still sitting on CyberBob. But I guess we'll see what Nab finds, and take that into consideration. I'm less concerned about an insane cop then a dirty cop. Dirty cops can be crafty.

Lack of role reveal makes me sad.

Oh, I missed that bit about alignment not being revealed on death, but I still think we should lynch CB. As I said before, at worst we'll lose a vanilla townie and know not to trust the cop who fed you the information.

If he did turn out to be a vanilla town, lynching the cop responsible would probably be the best course of action. At least then we'd be eliminating corruption or scum in some form. I had a think about it and I really don't think that insanity/paranoia fits in so I think either the cop is corrupt or not.

[Surye]

Too bad cops don't get a straight answer either. Damn this realistic setup!

[PJ.]

Unvote, Vote:CB

Should have done that when I first suggested his lynch.

[muffinhead]

ok my aplolgies for not being on earlier,

In 2 days there r 10 more pages so its hard for me to keep up

anyway i have looked at cbs posts and not one off memory had good long info

so based on that

vote cb

[dahill1]

FoS: muffinhead

you seem to be just trying to find a reason to get on CB wagon. you don't seem to have read the thread because there is already a clear reason we're voting for him

[Battle Mage]

^QFT

[Surye]

FoS: muffinhead

you seem to be just trying to find a reason to get on CB wagon. you don't seem to have read the thread because there is already a clear reason we're voting for him

Yea, this does seem pretty suspicious, thought to be honest, I couldn't really understand what he was trying to say through his broken English.

[armlx]

I definitely find ABR's storming off to load up more scummy than Nab going to Cyber's house.

Nab, if the mod hasn't picked up, why not just cancel then resend after discussion rather than add people onto the list.

[sideney]

There is any possibility that mafia not have any guns in N0? And that BM is the armory?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

VC #5

Cyberbob (9): skitzer, Ghostwriter, Suryex2, Celebloki, dahill1, Awesome Pants, Panzerjager, muffinhead

Battle Mage (3): DrippingGoofBall, Natirasha, Dasquian
Surye (2): Crub,
Superfly (1): Primate
Albert B. Rampage (1): Khelvaster
DrippingGoofBall (1): sideney

Not Voting (8): Sensfan, superfly, NabakovNabakov, armlx, Albert B. Rampage, Cyberbob, Battle Mage, Singing Librarian

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In the meantine, Surye steps forward. "Dear villagers. I speak here to say that I'm this town's mayor. With this, I reveal that I work with the police to find these mafia bastards!"

During this speech, NabakovNabakov, Crub and Dasquian went away for a short while

[Dasquian]

I went to BM's house like I said I would, intending to leave one there and redistribute the ones I brought back. There were no guns there :/

Vote: Cyberbob

. His claim of being vanilla directly contradicts cop evidence; if the evidence is bad then tonight, Surye should tell everyone he comes into contact with who gave him that evidence, and if he's still alive, tell the thread tomorrow.

I think we should also lynch BM today. There is nothing to prove that he's actually a vigilante. He's already killed N0 and, predictably, got a townie, and I really don't approve of N0 vig-kills. He had a crapload of guns, and now he doesn't, so he's not even worth keeping around as a vigilante unless we decide to give him some back. Thoughts?

[Dasquian]

I should add: I'm in favour of searching Cyberbob's place prior to his lynch, but it's taking too long for people to organise IMO. People should just go and do it.