Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[havingfitz]

Hf have you read any before replacing in? If so, impressions?

I've read nothing. Just got pm from mod. Will try to be caught up by tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

OK...all read through. Due to time/other games/RL constraints I did not take notes and make a londg drawn out catch up that I typically do that most people tend to hate.

So here are my "off the top of my head with no supporting references" reads as of now:

Townpool inpo - Vifam, LoX, CommKnight, Tywin, Kyouto,
Has a toe in the town pool - SlySly, LUV, James
Needs sorting out - PerV, Ramcius, TTTT
Suspect pool - Skelda, Pepcho, Fuzzy, Zekro, Narna

- I can accept that James always claims. Fake or not is another matter. No lynching him for a day or two at least.
- I thought the CommKNight claim was town thinking they were genuinely CC'ing a similar PR. But I can see both being town in a 17 player game.
- I liked some of the suspicions towards Skelda (the cautious post pinged me when I read it too).
- I didn't like the Narna vote on Vifom just out of nowhere. Not much (if any) better on the LUV vote.
- I haven't seen anything I really dislike with SlySly. I get his policy lynch sentiments. Could be scum but not for anything I've seen yet.
- Lots of underposters in here. Five players have yet to even place a vote.
- TTTT...is that claim a joke or for real? When I first read it I thoght it was a joke (a good one at that) and it appears your targets are buying it so ???.
- Hey PerV...I've just been back a few months after a ~year's hiatus so it has been awhile. Good to share a game again.

VOTE: Narna

[havingfitz]

Why do you think im scum

I find your lack of presence disturbing.

You could say this to a ~third of the game.

[havingfitz]

if it wasn't clear

2-Shot Conciserizer

is not a real role as far as I know
but I wish it were

I thought it was a joke. Very well written. Bravo.

[havingfitz]

Start with Vifam townread please.

I tend to focus more on why my scum suspects are suspect then why I think my town reads are town reads. iirc in my read through there were posts Vifam made that struck me as town. Mostly his posts about James and CommKnight's claims and his questioning of the votes on Harp. I'm not a fan of his positions on LUV and Skelda so he's not the towniest town read I have.

you should reconsider vote for now, Narna is empty slot, so voting him is pointless

I'll consider reconsidering.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Pepchoinga

[havingfitz]

My pattern of two votes?

If I suspect someone a v/la isn't going to change that.
I tr the players on that wagon.
And being alone on Narna is of no value.
Plus I'm fine waiting to see what Nero Cain does.

[havingfitz]

^ at this:

VOTE: Pepchoinga

why vote him? He's V/LA pretty much till deadline, your voting pattern is weird, first empty slot, now person that just announced V/LA

[havingfitz]

i appreciate your honesty for telling us you are just another dead weight and not willing help town, as much as i want get rid of people like you, i doubt other people go for your PL

I'm deadweight for supporting a wagon with a chance on someone I suspect with players I tr? How is that not helping town? Why is my vote any less valid then the others on Peps wagon? Weren't you just! supporting the very same wagon?

Are you familiar with the acronym KMA?

1...I'm not advocating a PL anywhere. Misrep on you.
2...You never know unless you try. Vote away.

[havingfitz]

Offline all day tomorrow....will try to post over the weekend but just to be safe...

v/LA until Monday, 30 Jan.

[havingfitz]

3 day weekends/vla's are grrrrrrrrreat!
Catching up in 3 games not so much.

Will try to catch up in here asap.

[havingfitz]

Ram...if you don't think a Pep lynch is lame....why vote a smaller wagon/~suspect?

[havingfitz]

So voting Pep while he's vla is bad but voting a slot in process of being replaced is ok?

[havingfitz]

It's an obv scum train.

So Pep is for sure town? Why?

If pep flips town

Ok...so there's a chaaaaance he would flip scum? I feel better.

, there's at least 1 scum on that wagon.

So 9 to lynch...and there'll be at least 1 scum on the wagon? Brilliant analysis (regardless of flip I'd say).

It's so obvious that it makes me suspicious of the players who DID give a case, yet haven't grilled any of the players sheeping them.

I'm sheeping LoX and Kyouto because they're my strongest town reads and the Pep wagon has/had traction.

[havingfitz]

I am the one town who isn't confirmed as being a

total idiot

because I wasn't either allowing or

pushing the lynch on myself

,

VOTE: RC

[havingfitz]

RC jumped on the grenade to direct town away from our lynch.

Huh?

When you made this post nothing had changed wrt the 4 votes you had. So what was it RC did for you?

Ram subsequently unvotes you but I don't know if RC had any part in that. smh....

RC hasn't changed my view on his wagon or any other reads.

@Tywin....gut+sheep.

[havingfitz]

i unvoted LoX for their claim to be investigative role

Not because RC came to LoX's rescue then. Check.

[havingfitz]

@havingfitz: gut is fine, but you weren't one to sheep in the game I saw you play as town. Your playing far different than that game, so I'm still wondering why.

If I'm that consistent/different as town and scum...shame on me. As for the prior game you refer to...off the top of my head I'd say D1 uncertainties and a larger player pool could be factors in how I'm ~playing here.

[havingfitz]

Vote the glorious Vifam wagon.

yes this VOTE: Vifam

WTF? The person you're voting says vote who they're voting so lalalalala.....ok. smh
I was about to point out RC was at L-3 until you did this. Ffs.

Please return to RC so we can get a good lynch/ not NL.

[havingfitz]

It appears that Vifam is the main wagon ATM and LoX is the main counterwagon.

No...Vifam and RC are both L-4. No one else is even close atm. Your vote is parked on a non factor. Vote RC and help make the game a better place.

[havingfitz]

Also...I retract my tr on LoX.

They're all over the place...plus their shtick (along with a few others) is annoying.

[havingfitz]

Then vote LoX.

I prefer where my votes at. And the wagon has more support atm.

Do you sr RC or Vifam?

[havingfitz]

No I do not and neither should you.

Fair if you don't. ATM I disagree... I might at some point consider LoX over a NL and after a closer look. TBD

Didn't LoX claim something? iirc....

[havingfitz]

they claimed investigative role

Where? All I see is the claim they'll give a town result to whoever investigates them. Aka....they're claiming town.

[havingfitz]

I'm at L-5 now because SSBM unvoted

You were L'3 (hallelujah) until Kyouto switched to Vifam. You're both L-4 now. ffs

[havingfitz]

lol go away fitz you're either scum or utterly doubleplusungood.

Either way I can count to however many fingers are on one hand.

I am not quite sure how to parse TTTT and SSBM so I don't want to leave a moral imperatives on their slot but I'm not happy with the votes on me

If I am getting lynched today I want both of those slots lynched.

[havingfitz]

RC or bust!

^

[havingfitz]

Sure thing Detective Fitzpickle.

The alternatives look to be you (claim safe) and Vifam (no sr). So w/e.

[havingfitz]

People I would vote over a NL:
RC, Sly, XnadrojX, Ramcius, Firebringer and Zekro...maybe Tywin.

Combo of players I suspect...lurky underposters or might give decent info from.

I'm around intermittently till deadline.

[havingfitz]

People I would vote over a NL:
RC, Sly, XnadrojX, Ramcius, Firebringer and Zekro...maybe Tywin.

Combo of players I suspect...lurky underposters or might give decent info from.

I'm around intermittently till deadline.

why don't want lynch Vifam?

Because I'm not of the opinion that he is scum.

[havingfitz]

Ain't no lynch like a LoX lynch. I'd rather have the hydra dead than anyone else, also quick-lynching anyone today that didn't claim would be scummy as fuck and would earn you a policy lynch tomorrow.

One of the things saving you and James from serious lynch consideration today is your claims. Why does LoX not deserve the same consideration *

[havingfitz]

ok, i will ask again, why Vifam is your TR?

Gut.

Why are you scumreading him?

[havingfitz]

Ram is investigative

I missed this. Where did Ramcius claim?

[havingfitz]

I dont remember Ram ever claiming I think Comm was just making a point

^ When Vifam can get what I'm saying but havingfitz can't. It just goes to show who's actually reading.

Are you being an ass? Pardon me giving your post the benefit of the doubt. I've read the game. That doesn't mean I have total recall and/or can miss things.

How is lying about a Ramcius claim making a point?

[havingfitz]

he listed 5 names, why you asked just about me? And since you didn't understood, he was sarcastic over LoX claim

Reading comprehension fail on my part. Disregard my question/s to CK.

[havingfitz]

Off the net all day yesterday (hiking+SB stuff).

Will catch up and comment today.

[havingfitz]

Then again I could easily be wrong and PeregrineV could be the scum hiding

amongst the cancerous fucking morons

but then again I think that town wincon is served by lynching people this bad.

Here I was going to let it go, but you started in with the insults again.

Scum likes to hide behind insults and anger.

I vote to get rid of the one of the many cancerous fucking morons we are.

Vote: RadiantCowbells

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[havingfitz]

Sorry...got caught up in another game today. Will catch up asap tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

I'd like answers from fitz, comm, and tywin.
And RC prob isn't town here.

What was the question?

[havingfitz]

ITT RC chainlynches

See you keep making all these accusations

but at no point in these accusations do you suggest that I'm scum

. You just list things that I'm /doing/.

Isn't that inferred by voting you? smh

[havingfitz]

Fitz - i don't like him

You mean you think I'm scum or you getting personal?

[havingfitz]

This doesn't seem like RC's town game that I've played with so much before

redacted

Because I have a bit of a sr on you both but I doubt you're teamed

Well RC's the closest thing to a tr to have

FOS Elena

[havingfitz]

I'd like answers from fitz, comm, and tywin.
And RC prob isn't town here.

What was the question?

Why didn't you vote vifam to avoid a no-lynch when you were here near deadline?

Welllllllll.................

Sure thing Detective Fitzpickle.

The alternatives look to be you (claim safe) and Vifam (

no sr

). So w/e.

People I would vote over a NL:
RC, Sly, XnadrojX, Ramcius, Firebringer and Zekro...maybe Tywin.

Combo of players I suspect...lurky underposters or might give decent info from.

I'm around intermittently till deadline.

why don't want lynch Vifam?

Because

I'm not of the opinion that he is scum.

[havingfitz]

OK...all read through. Due to time/other games/RL constraints I did not take notes and make a londg drawn out catch up that I typically do that most people tend to hate.

So here are my "off the top of my head with no supporting references" reads as of now:

Townpool inpo - Vifam, LoX, CommKnight, Tywin, Kyouto,
Has a toe in the town pool - SlySly, LUV, James
Needs sorting out - PerV, Ramcius, TTTT
Suspect pool - Skelda, Pepcho, Fuzzy, Zekro, Narna

- I can accept that James always claims. Fake or not is another matter. No lynching him for a day or two at least.
- I thought the CommKNight claim was town thinking they were genuinely CC'ing a similar PR. But I can see both being town in a 17 player game.
- I liked some of the suspicions towards Skelda (the cautious post pinged me when I read it too).
- I didn't like the Narna vote on Vifom just out of nowhere. Not much (if any) better on the LUV vote.
- I haven't seen anything I really dislike with SlySly. I get his policy lynch sentiments. Could be scum but not for anything I've seen yet.
- Lots of underposters in here. Five players have yet to even place a vote.
- TTTT...is that claim a joke or for real? When I first read it I thoght it was a joke (a good one at that) and it appears your targets are buying it so ???.
- Hey PerV...I've just been back a few months after a ~year's hiatus so it has been awhile. Good to share a game again.

VOTE: Narna

Hey Fitz- can you update this. I'd like to talk more about them.

I need to...I'm behind. Probably a good reason I don't usually join games over 13 players.
ETA NLT Sunday night.

[havingfitz]

RC replaced Pep, who was confirmed not mafia.

How was Pep confirmed not mafia?

[havingfitz]

@james
I also want this explained

RC replaced Pep, who was confirmed not mafia.

How was Pep confirmed not mafia?

The wagon on Pep was obviously manufactured by mafia. They had no reason to bus, therefore etc.

Okay, RC is extremely scummy. I didn't realize she claimed SK, but now that I do I'm willing to lynch him. Even as a joke, it's enough to push her over the lynch line for me. She can't be mafia, but her play does not at all seem town.

Her wagon is still of course, designed by the mafia. Lol at how the mafia and SK decided to go after each other in thread.

VOTE: RC

I'm ~sure you realize Pep is RC. So much for that confirmed not mafia read eh? smh.

[havingfitz]

OK...all read through. Due to time/other games/RL constraints I did not take notes and make a londg drawn out catch up that I typically do that most people tend to hate.

So here are my "off the top of my head with no supporting references" reads as of now:

Townpool inpo - Vifam, LoX, CommKnight, Tywin, Kyouto,
Has a toe in the town pool - SlySly, LUV, James
Needs sorting out - PerV, Ramcius, TTTT
Suspect pool - Skelda, Pepcho, Fuzzy, Zekro, Narna

- I can accept that James always claims. Fake or not is another matter. No lynching him for a day or two at least.
- I thought the CommKNight claim was town thinking they were genuinely CC'ing a similar PR. But I can see both being town in a 17 player game.
- I liked some of the suspicions towards Skelda (the cautious post pinged me when I read it too).
- I didn't like the Narna vote on Vifom just out of nowhere. Not much (if any) better on the LUV vote.
- I haven't seen anything I really dislike with SlySly. I get his policy lynch sentiments. Could be scum but not for anything I've seen yet.
- Lots of underposters in here. Five players have yet to even place a vote.
- TTTT...is that claim a joke or for real? When I first read it I thoght it was a joke (a good one at that) and it appears your targets are buying it so ???.
- Hey PerV...I've just been back a few months after a ~year's hiatus so it has been awhile. Good to share a game again.

VOTE: Narna

Hey Fitz- can you update this. I'd like to talk more about them.

I'm not completely caught up reading. Weekend v/LA, digging out of my 2nd snowstorm in 3 days and the pace of the posting in here has me struggling to get/stay caught up. Here is where my head's at atm:

Townpool inpo - Vifam,

LoX

, CommKnight, Nero, PerV, TTTT
Needs sorting out - James, Tywin, Ramcius, SlySly, Fuzzy, XnadrojX, Elena
Suspect pool - RadiantCowbells, Kyouto, Zekro

[havingfitz]

Maybe I missed it, but what changed SSBM from TR to SR for you Fitz?

I don't recall off the top of my head. Something I had read. I'll look back tomorrow to remind myself and let you know.

[havingfitz]

Maybe I missed it, but what changed SSBM from TR to SR for you Fitz?

I think my read on her started to go south with her post 1483 and her agreement that Vifam and Lox might be scum.
OMGUS and suspecting another town read from 2023.
Not seeing eye to eye on many of her reads (2217).
The vote on Fuzzy (2690) which seemed kind of lazy.
gut


Short obtw tangent....
Did a quick look at the Zekro ISO. Unbelievable the lack of anything from that slot. 16 posts of which almost half are promises to catch up or whinging about not being able to. And he's voting James the day before we might actually get some sort of result from James. Why not vote the RC wagon given he thinks one of RC or CommKnight are probably scum? In fact...in the occasional post where he does provide content/suspicions he still fails to ever put his money where his suspicions are. Until James. smh

[havingfitz]

this game is cancer. you all want to enable a bunch of shitty scum players sitting on an obvtown wagon all day you can be my guest. I'm fucking done.

have fun losing.

replace me

When did you become such a whiney quitting fcuktard?

Not pertaining to this game....have you ever pushed a mislynch as town? Get over yourself

[havingfitz]

but we get nothing from his flip, no associations with so few posts

Not true. He could be scum. Lynching scum would be good.
He's a black hole of participation. We lose a dead slot...also good.

If I knew he was town I'd put up with the lack of anything but since he coooould be scum...there are pros to lynching him. If that wagon ever gets traction.

[havingfitz]

In game like this you can't use general rules, we need lynch someone with associations, so we have something to work tomorrow, i have enough these empty discussions

What's empty is your lone vote on Vifam.

[havingfitz]

this reads to me like you think RC is town
yet you are voting him

Hence the not pertaining to this game comment.

What it means is I have a low tolerance for quitters.

I don't think he's town is this game.

[havingfitz]

Where my vote should be according to you?

Your vote is your vote. I just find it humorous that you go on and on about players not doing anything when that's what you appear to be doing voting someone who doesn't look like they're getting lynched today.

[havingfitz]

That makes my suspicion of HavingFitz increase.

this reads to me like you think RC is town
yet you are voting him

Hence the not pertaining to this game comment.

What it means is I have a low tolerance for quitters.

I don't think he's town is this game.

What does?

[havingfitz]

Not reading RC as town after that rage quit.

That's not a town tell for me.

[havingfitz]

RC's ego also can't handle being lynched as scum
I ain't giving him town-cred for quitting.

Exactly.

[havingfitz]

I just finished a game where RC replaced in and actually de eloped sound cases against other players and genuinely seemed to be scum hunting. He was town in that game. I did not see that in this game. He just seemed flippant and did a lot of useless posting. Low effort wrt scumhunting. Quitter or not...my vote stands.

[havingfitz]

This is a long ass game. I scum read both RC and Zekro. Let's do mod a favor and powerlynch one of these two and save the mod some hassle. And give him extra RL days to get 1 replacement.

RC is L-4.
Zekro is L-9.

[havingfitz]

why isn't ssbm listed there?

Ssbm_Kyouko doesn't have the added benefit to lynching of saving the mod some replacement hassle. I would vote ssbm_Kyouko as well if it came down to it or NL.

[havingfitz]

I've played with RC enough to know this is his town game plus his reaction to when I tried to pressure him seemed like something town him would do. Although I have never played with scum RC before.

So you have no RC scum game to compare it to. Has he quit under pressure in your shared games?

[havingfitz]

plus it's easy to read but on one of his scumgames

Huh?

[havingfitz]

why you guys think RC replaced out for being SRed? he was L-5, he was against Kyo lynch before leaving, not defending self from pressure, sometimes i think you guys read some different game

I don't find his pathetic display (self vote and quitting) to be AI. It doesn't effect my read on the RC slot. Pep did fuckall while he was here and all RC did was whine about being suspected and ad-hom town.

As an aside...I also found his use of cancer to describe play and players, more than once, to be extremely offensive. Not so much AI but more so gtfo of the game and tyvm.

[havingfitz]

Okay, I'm going to make an offer to whoever fills the RC slot, if you claim SK and agree to act as a town pet, you will not be lynched until after we've eliminated the mafia.

Does your offer come with more support than just you and your vote?

Also......did RC claim SK

[havingfitz]

How do we know the claimed SK won't backstab us first chance they get?
(Prodge)

can we add this to lynch pool?

This made me chuckle and I was thinking the same thing.

[havingfitz]

RC L-4
SSBM L-4
Fuzzy L-6
TTTT/Vifam/James all L-8.

I can't believe we're on page 118...over 2900 posts...and still haven't lynched anyone.

This post brought to you by Please vote RC.

[havingfitz]

RCRCRCRCRC

[havingfitz]

VOTE: SSBM <-- L-2

Prefer RC but....

[havingfitz]

Welcome Almost50. You replaced into an inactive scum slot so we're glad to have you. But you need to cool your jets....especially with as flawed as your content is.

In your opening remarks you immediately push for a Vifam lynch despite not having read any of the game. That's a crock of shit. Then you insert your nose in Tywin's posterior. kisskisskiss...More bs.

As for RC...replacing out...replacing out is not AI. And while you might think this is his town game...I have 4 or 5 games with RC and this did not feel like his town game to me. And in fact...I have seen pissed/frustrated RC replace out as scum (Cheetory6 Mini 1708).

Then...you basically tap dance around James' guilty on Comm ("Now I'm NOT accusing James of being scum" coughcoughbullshit) and basically a 1v1 between he and Comm...for a vote on Vifam. And as mentioned...you haven't even read the game yet. But Vifam is a popular wagon so he muuuust be scum.

Then for some reason you are keen on defending Comm (2991)....as well as the RC slot....

Then you leave your vote on Vifam and proceed to debate with James...of the 1v1 with Comm. 2999

Then you kiss Nero's ass...wtf? 3011 On top of all the posthumous RC smooching.

Then your enthusiasm to lynch me based on Ramicus' result. ???

So you are ok ignoring a guilty claim by James...but you are quick to support a JK claim that does not even confirm alignment. Even if Ram is telling the truth (which he may very well be doing) there is no reason to assign alignment on his JK target. I.e. me. I am town btw.

So I'm on board with a Comm lynch. If he's town, we have scum caught in James.

Then we can move on to you (Almost50) and or Yume assuming the stench of RC's slot hasn't left the game by then.

VOTE: Comm

Also...what were your results Comm?

P.edit...where does Comm claim anything wrt me?

[havingfitz]

No. No it isn't. I know what Fitz is and he's 100% town. I'll let him decide if I out his role to prove my own, but his role is impossible to be 3rd party/mafia.

I'm VT.

[havingfitz]

If Ramcius really JK'd me he should know Comm couldn't have got a result on me. If he believes Comm...then he is lying. If he is telling the truth...then Comm has to be lying.

Therefore...why aren't you voting Comm Ram?

[havingfitz]

Being jailkept does not prevent an investigative result.

I did not know this.

I thought being JK'D prevented anything reaching jk target or getting out from jk target.

So if I was an investigative PR (which I'm not) and was JK....I'd still be able to investigate someone? I think not....and I wouldn't think it would work or not work one way only.

[havingfitz]

jailed person can't do any actions, but other people can investigate him, it's a basic JK version, which i am in this game, in other words, Comm (and anyone else) could check you and get results, but you couldn't do anything

Ok...we'll that still doesn't explain why he would claim a pr result on me when I'm not. Which in conjunction with James guilty is pretty lock tight. No way would scum fall on two swords (me and James) to eliminate 1 town PR.

[havingfitz]

Now for the grand reveal. The role came back as Vigilante. So unless you're trolling them Fitz, you got bussed with someone or are a disguiser.

No trolling here.
I'm VT.
If the potential exists for your claimed action to be altered then likewise the same thing exist for James' action.

Blehhhhhh

Also the wiki wasn't definitive in it's definition of a jailkeeper. Ex: A Jailkeeper

cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill (regardless of who they target), and

does not prevent other players from targeting their target with non-killing actions (

e.g. if a Watcher and Jailkeeper target the same player, the Watcher will see the Jailkeeper's action).

UNVOTE: while this mess gets further discussed.

[havingfitz]

In any case, Fitz and Comm are CCing each other, so they can't both be town

Unless scum have some sort of ability to redirect actions.

[havingfitz]

1. Are Mafia Bus Drivers a thing?

2. Does Jailkeeping usually prevent Bus Driving?

1) I usually play smaller games where bus drivers aren't allowed.. but in this instance if Comm is telling the truth it could be due to a Redirector. Basically the RD could choose who Comm targeted without him knowing it.

In which case there actually would be a vig and scum would know who it is now.

2) If 1....2 wouldn't apply. If not 1) I assume 2=no.

[havingfitz]

If there is a vig that would support Comm's claim and indicate a Redirector.

[havingfitz]

Comm's defense depends on there being a Mafia Bus Driver who just so happened to target the same person as him at random.

Redirector more likely. It would completely control Comm's target.

[havingfitz]

redirector have 1 weak spot - where mafia kill? Or Mafia used not timeshifted kill N1 and then normal kill on N2 was delayed to N3?

If there really is a vig...where is the vig kill? Would a role cop include role modifiers?

[havingfitz]

Comm's defense depends on there being a Mafia Bus Driver who just so happened to target the same person as him at random.

Redirector more likely. It would completely control Comm's target.

There's still no evidence of there being a vigilante (or a redirector) though.

Fmpov I'm VT and everything is normal. I can only confirm Comm's result on me is wrong.
From Comm's pov either I am lying (despite not having a mafia result) or he was redirected to another player who happens to be a vig. Would it be worth outing a vig to save Comm?
From Ram's pov his jk worked fine and I'm either scum and couldn't make a nk.....which would conflict with Comm's result....or I'm town and nothing odd happened.

I'm sure there are others scenarios but that's where I'm at.


Is there any scenario where Comm and James are both town PRs? I don't think so. Which lynch would solve more questions?

[havingfitz]

But if a TOWN redirector/busdriver happened. They SHOULD out.

No way a town Redirector would f with a cop's actions. And a town bus driver would really screw up possibilities.....

[havingfitz]

but you can be watched, copped, tracked, smacked, neighbored, etc.

I feel like Waffle House hash browns now.

[havingfitz]

You mean TWO redirectors/bus drivers??

I was not trying to infer James AND Comm were both altered...just that if the potential for Comm to be redirected exists...the same thing would apply to James. But then the results really wouldn't make sense. James being redirected would confirm Comm was scum for his incorrect results on me. So disregard.

Otherwise, the redirector affecting Comm's action makes James Scum.

I agree (I think).

[havingfitz]

But if James is fakeclaiming scum....why would scum bother altering Comm's result? Unless they thought Comm would role cop James and they wanted a clean result.

[havingfitz]

Here's a big question, if I were scum, why not claim I got a scum PR read on Fitz and claim the result got bussed? Instead before he even outted I said he was 100% town.

I don't know why scum would have done anything they've done. If it is coming down to a 1v1 though I'm leaning more towards voting James as he would now be VT if he's truthful and I'd rather ml VT than Role cop.

[havingfitz]

so Fitz is his buddy?

1) I'm nobody's buddy
2) Who are you talking about?

[havingfitz]

Fitz

HAS

to be his buddy. Otherwise whats the point of arguing that Fitz is town? One possibility is that Comm was bus driven/redirected and that the vig result was not on Fitz.

That's what I have been suggesting.....

[havingfitz]

OK...Almost50 can be town now. As I was catching up from 3 or 4 pages back I kept coming across posts where he was saving me from having to say anything because he was saying what I was thinking. And then he claimed Vig.

And no way does scum out TWO of their team just to eliminate 1 claimed cop (i.e. James) who if his claim is true...he doesn't even have powers now. And if they did get him lynched and he was found to be telling the truth...all scum would be doing is pointing the spotlight squarely back at themselves (i.e. Comm and A50). Though actually...Comm could have been scum without A50 so scratch that. But at least A50's claim gives further support to Comm's claim. And if we are wrong on the powerless cop that is James...we just get Comm tomorrow.

And Ram...I'm town. You need to quit acting like you have solved the great mystery that is this game just because you JK'd me and there was no kill. If it is within the realm of possibility that two PRs would target me (you and Comm)...then why is it outside the realm of possibility that scum decided to shoot me? I agree...I would not think I would be their first choice but perhaps some of the more likely first choices weren't selected because they are either scum themselves or scum was worried they would receive some sort of protections. Or there could be potential other reasons there have not been NKs. This game's time delayed crap could be effecting NKs. Who knows? IDFK. But I'm town.

So I'm good with voting James based on my earlier thoughts on MLing a Role Cop and + A50's claim.

Just one question first....

@Comm...pardon if this question has already been asked, I do not recall seeing it...but why did you choose to RC me (I know...you sr me) instead of James (who has been 1v1ing you since D1)?

[havingfitz]

You'd have to ask yourself, why wouldn't I pick someone else to check to help town progress?

And how has that worked for you?
I'm still an unknown.
You've essentially outted the vig.
There is still a shred of doubt wrt James being scum. Very slim shred but still there.

Whereas if you'd just role copped James we'd have the same 1v1 we find ourselves in now without the vig being outted.

[havingfitz]

Ram...we have a 1v1. WTF are you doing?

[havingfitz]

How is James a PL? smdh

[havingfitz]

And what are your reservations with voting me? If you really did jk me. Why do you think there was no NK last night?

On that note....if you did jk me N1...why are you saying that makes me suspect since there was a N1 kill?

[havingfitz]

meta, he always fakeclaim early, independent of alignment, i'm surprised he didn't changed claim yet

That's not why James is being considered. Nothing PL about it. And as committed as James is towards Comm I hardly think he's changing anything.

[havingfitz]

XnadrojX is obviously not reading. Terrible town or scum.

I'll vote James whenever we are ready to end the day.

Ram's ridiculous position on James has him on my list of vote a voteables after James.

[havingfitz]

my list of voteables

EBWOP

[havingfitz]

setting my lynch before having James flip?

Saying you are someone I would vote for. I.e. suspect.

[havingfitz]

setting my lynch before having James flip?

Saying you are someone I would vote for. I.e. suspect.

indeed, but 1) my stance towards James didn't changed since my replacing in, so 2) why you changed your stance towards me? 3) Considering i claimed PR why would you want vote me anyway?

1 - the issue is your stance on James hasn't changed.
2 - you mean my earlier stance that I would vote you?
3 - point 1 + play in general.

[havingfitz]

can you explain 1) why i would claim jk you as a scum? 2) even if i was scum rb, why claim jk instead town rb?

1) a. there is no definitive proof you actually are a jk. b. to possibly implicate me if there was no nk n2.
2) how does that even matter? Perhaps because they have similar powers but one is more associated with town.

Question about your claim...idr if it's been asked...why did you jk me instead of Vifam N1?

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

[havingfitz]

At this point, if we are staying away from claims, then I would rather lynch Yume.

We're staying away from claims? Why?
We have a 1v1...a scum admission....so.....huh?

I'd be up for Yuma after James given my previous RC suspicions. Plus Yume (who I know not) avoiding/ignoring the game.

[havingfitz]

At this point, if we are staying away from claims, then I would rather lynch Yume.

We're staying away from claims? Why?
We have a 1v1...a scum admission....so.....huh?

I'd be up for Yuma after James given my previous RC suspicions. Plus Yume (who I know not) avoiding/ignoring the game.

1) Because if someone claimed that I was not my role, I would think they are scum and want them dead.

2) If I was VT being accused of being a PR, I would say "got me" and take the bullet for the real PR.

You did neither. Which I find SUPER fishy.

1 - which I did evidenced my immediate vote on Comm. That has been retracted due to further consideration. Supported by subsequent claims and stuff.

2 - OBE due to point 1 but also...I'm not you. I'm not complex enough to support a falsehood as town. Plus if I had the real vig might have still claimed and/or Comm would still be suspect.

Do you think James is scum?

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

No, i won't, and i will be prick, if you will pester me on shit like this, which is obv, and already explained, why others don't push me on this "slip"? Cause my actions not makes sense at all, if i was scum, and me forgetting to add "if i was scum" to sentence in that wall not makes me scum magically

Excellent! We agree...you are being a prick.

Now I'm going to type this out slowly for you and see what happens. And if you can come up with an answer I will be happy to respond to the question you deflected to me twice.

Ohhhhhhhh kaaaaaaaaay Ramicus?

Here goes....

1. You told Comm that you had no reason to block him (not sure if you are referring to N1 or N2) since there was a redirector in play.

2. At the point where you using the theory about (about a redirector) to explain your actions (N1 or N2) wrt to Comm.....we had not begun discussing the likelihood of there being a redirector. So...

3. The only way you could make the insinuation above is if you KNEW there was a redirector in the game. Which would most likely be a scum position.

4. Which would mean you were scum.

So how could you use a role in the game to guide your decision making process if prior to that point you (or anyone else that I can see) had not considered that role for inclusion in the game?

And no...the answer to this question is not obv and no...it has not been already explained.

And you saying"if I was scum" has nothing to do with my question.

[havingfitz]

Vote James

I forgot fuzzy was in the game. Too many non factors atm. Yume. SlySly. Elena. Zzzzzzzzz

That's L-2 by my count btw.

[havingfitz]

James3 [L-1] CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50 CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50, FuzzyLogic

Yep, my bad...L-1. I was thinking it was 9 to lynch.

So how long we playing out this day?
Why aren't you voting anyone PerV?

[havingfitz]

So Ramicus...

did you say your JK is bulletproof?

Also...you have still managed to ignore my question. Or you fail to grasp it which is more likely.

How could you claim to use the presence of a redirector to guide your N2 actions when the prospects of a redirector being in the game was not brought up until D3?

In an effort to put new content on the site versus repeating the same question over and over and over and over to you...I'm show you how to respond to a question.


Why would you claim to jk Comm N2? Hypothetically speaking...if you were a scum RBer...you could claim a JK on Comm N2 becuase you would know that (if he is telling the truth) that he would have no way of knowing whether you had in fact JK'd him. And if you were scum...your team could just avoid shooting Comm to support your claim. And if scum does have a redirector (which they appear to have based on Comm and A50's claims)... why use a redirect on Comm N2 when a simple block would keep him in check. Leaving the redirect for other scum preferences.

Who knows? Hypothesizing why scum does anything is just that...hypothesis.

What is fact is the comment you made about considering the redirector role before redirectors were a thing. And continued to not explain. Which if you are town should be easy peasy.

[havingfitz]

My last post was pretty clearly somewhere between a joke and a reaction test. It was fruitful though.

Anyway, I'm the Bus Driver (town). I did switch Fitz with Almost, so Comm is a rolecop, but I'm certain that he's mafia.

LAL

VOTE: James

[havingfitz]

v/LA till Monday morning. I'll post if I get the chance.

[havingfitz]

Im sooooo tempted to hammer

If James was just sticking to his first claim and result I wouldn't be voting yet but the scum claim followed by the bus driver claim is just bullshit. I don't like games (no pun intended) so I lost any interest in prolonging his existence in this game.

[havingfitz]

why's Ram scum? did he answer how he made a decision involving a redirector he shouldn't have known about? because

the answer in his ISO that i see is incomprehensible to me

.

Do tell.

[havingfitz]

Unless both scum was busing RCB which is possible but seems unlikely I thing RCB/Yume/ Chara is town.

Despite my push on RC I can agree with this line of thinking. Chara can be probably town.

[havingfitz]

what's the story behind this consensus lynch on scum. any failed counterwagons, or was James just confirmed guilty from the start and scum gave up?

James was pretty much concensus wagon D3 due to 1v1 with Comm + his stupid claim changes.
Failed counter-wagons D2 were your slot...I think it reached L-1.
D1 no lynch failed wagons were your slot (L-3) and Vifam (L-2).

[havingfitz]

should we lynch you next then? your moaning is annoying

If we're lynching players for being annoying you have a good shot at being today's lynch.

[havingfitz]

i was thinking, what chances that there are no redirector? Fitz is real vig, A50 admitted he fakeclaimed anyway, so maybe we should put last mafia (Fuzzy) out of his misery today?

If there are only 3 mafia (questionable) what makes you think FuzzyLogic is one? Has your game long desire to lynch Vifam changed?

Also, I'm not a vig or sk...you don't know wtf you are talking about or you're just making shit up.

Did A50 legit say he wasn't really a vig? I missed that.

Look forward to hearing what he has to say.

[havingfitz]

Can anyone explain why I...as sk....which I'm not btw...would target any of the nk victims over a JK/RB who has been shading/annoying me the entire time I've been in the game?

[havingfitz]

should we lynch you next then? your moaning is annoying

If we're lynching players for being annoying you have a good shot at being today's lynch.

where i said i want him lynched for being annoying? you really have reading comprehension problem, but i will explain you, Wifam is useless and only complaining how he don't want be here

1) as for your push on me for mentioning redirector in that message - 2) how YOU know redirector is in play? 3) And since we already have 2 mafia flips, you saying i'm roleblocker and 4th mafia is redirector? 4) Your tunneling on claimed JK for really questionable "slip" is weird considering all other things going on, for example, 5) if i was James scumbuddy, why would i defend him? Wouldn't be more wise do like Nero and get free towncred on pushing James? I know you can't be redirector, if that role exists, 6) so you likely to be SK, i don't think mafia would have goon with this much town PRs and sending you to commit kill over encryptor and ninja wouldn't be wise

You really are annoying to play with Ramicus. Not a
displeasure...just annoying. You have already admitted to being a
prick...which I agree with. And your garbled pidgeon english is not
always clear in what you are trying to communicate. So rather then
get defensive because you sometimes fail to express your thoughts
properly...just stop being a Ramicus and play nicely.

1) You mean the question you still have failed to respond to?

2) I don't KNOW....I ASSUME there is a redirector because Comm
targetted me...got a result...and it's not me. But A50 DID claim
Comm's result. So A+B = Redirector. Unless scum!Comm just took a
really wild chance there was a Vig and wanted to bring me into the mix
for giggles while causing a 1v1 with his partner or some other wild
shit.

3) I only mention RB because that is the scum equivalent to a
Jailkeeper. Actually...you could just be a mafia Jailkeeper. Or
since there is no way of knowing for sure...you could be none of the
above. Other than missing a kill N2...is there any way of proving
your claim? I lean towards believing you are
something....JK...RB...idk.

4) How am I tunneling by asking you a question you have repeated to
ignore? I thought tunneling usually involved voting someone all
fcuking day/game. Kind of like what you have been doing towards
Vifam.

5) Uh...scum!you would defend him because he is your scumbuddy. Duh.

6) So this?

[havingfitz]

OK...so here is where my head is at in this game...

I think the RC slot is town. If James and Nero were going to hard bus
RC while they had daytalk...good job scum. So Not Chara = town
Comm and A50 I think are town. They have both posted a lot of good
content and their claims fit being town.
Vifam I haven't had any reason to consider as scum until A50's remarks
this morning and a look over the voting. Nero and James both stayed
off the Vifam wagon D1 when their votes would have secured a mislynch
on town!Vifam. This pushes me into the scum!Vifam camp.
If Vifam flips scum this leads me to believe that Ramicus is town. (sigh)
If Vifam slips scum that leaves me, Tywin, Fuzzy and SlySly off his D1
wagon and most likely including scum.

Despite getting a fair amount of attention in this game Vifam and
SlySly have pretty much stayed away from voting each other (not sure
if they have shaded each other any). Vifam and SlySly being scum
would be some serious bussing on James. Completely possible given his
dire situation D3 though.

Therefore:

Solid town: Comm, A50, Not Chara
Likely town pending stuff: Ramicus
Suspect in most to least order: SlySly, Elena, Xnadro, Fuzzy, Tywin
Voting: Vifam

VOTE: Vifam

P.edit several posts not read.

[havingfitz]

Can anyone explain why I...as sk....which I'm not btw...would target any of the nk victims over a JK/RB who has been shading/annoying me the entire time I've been in the game?

Look, I'm NOT FoS'ing you, but your avatar is annoying to me. It always gives me the impression I'm talking to an inmate bully!!

The question is to anyone claiming I'm sk....ex Ramcius and Tywin.

[havingfitz]

What did FuzzyLogic claim?

[havingfitz]

Scum now gets Nights and the first 48 hours of each Day, which I believe is common practice onsite.

Huh? First 48 hours isn't AT ALL common from what I have seen on MS, and I have been here for well over a year and played over 40 games so far.

I would agree. No encryptor experience but I agree 48 hours seems wrong.

Ramicus...iirc I have not voted you nor answered my question. As you are off the table today I will stop debating with you as it is not worth the juice.

[havingfitz]

Vifam I haven't had any reason to consider as scum until A50's remarks
this morning and a look over the voting. Nero and James both stayed
off the Vifam wagon D1 when their votes would have secured a mislynch
on town!Vifam. This pushes me into the scum!Vifam camp.

Why SlySly over Vifam A50?

[havingfitz]

And can you explain your scum pairings?

[havingfitz]

Almost Unlynchable: TheFuzzyLogic99,

In the hopes of increasing my town pool.....why?

[havingfitz]

Almost Unlynchable: TheFuzzyLogic99,

In the hopes of increasing my town pool.....why?

Disregard...I see your reply to Ramcius. Not sufficient for me att.

[havingfitz]

how was there a kill on night 1? is it possible the mafia's kill would have normally taken effect night 2, but they timeshifted it to hit immediately? that would explain the lack of kill on night 2.
it's possible i'm missing a claim or mechanic sonewhere.

in previous games SK had not delayed 1-shot kill, just like A50 had 1 delayed and 1 not delayed shot, so mafia used not delayed kill on N1, which was resolved same night, then used delayed on N2, which was resolved N3

If you get this probability why were you sk/scum reading me?

[havingfitz]

I don't think jailkeeper can be scum, but correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong. I've been one.

[havingfitz]

Vifam and SlySly being scum
would be some serious bussing on James.

Gawd, I was hoping no one would notice. I tried to be subtle about it.

if your only defense is sarcasm, then you in big trouble

Can you feel me shaking in fear?

Me neither.

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Elena, your ride has arrived.



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I'm willing to lynch anyone that has a SR on me.

that wasn't really a defense, fitz was calling Sly town.

nah

uh, yeah

What's up Sly? Who's scum? Any reads on people you want to share? Or a vote?

[havingfitz]

I called you SK for a couple of reasons,

This wasn't my question but as you say...it's OBE now.

[havingfitz]

Sly's read list: Everyone but Not Chara and Havingfitz are SCUM!

smh....

More Vifam votes please non-voters.

[havingfitz]

The votes on me are pretty weak

If Yume flips scum and the game doesnt end than I am more than happy to be lynched. I am 99.999999 sure Yume is town.

Does Yume=Vifam?

[havingfitz]

We seem stalled.
Where's Vifam?
Where's the Vifam votes.
C'mon people....

[havingfitz]

The votes on me are pretty weak.

No one was voting you when you made this post.

What are your reads?
Why aren't you voting?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Wifam

i'm ok with this too

^ L-2 btw....

[havingfitz]

Fooooooooooock.
Not Chara...Tywin...XNADROJX!!!, FuzzyLogic, SlySly ...and even Vifam....please engage the game and/or vote. Give reads...something. ffs

Zzzzzzzzzz

[havingfitz]

The last time Vifam logged onto MS he had 2 votes on him and 3 cases made towards his guilt.

Crickets. No comment.

[havingfitz]

I won't scream n kick but I'll tell you guys who I think is scum gimmie a couple hours tho, I'm prob gonna be busy today

Mostly POE and VCA (for me at least).

[havingfitz]

Without the VCA you'd be 4th or 5th from the top of my suspect list.

[havingfitz]

well, only reason for them to stay back is if other mafia was on wagon already - nadroj and Elena, so if Wifam flip green, their turn tomorrow

Are you answering your own question

[havingfitz]

Mod...v/LA until Monday.

[havingfitz]

If we lynch Elena and she flips Town I'm shooting fitz just to br absolutely sure. He claimed a VT, so not a great loss to Town if he is telling the truth, but saves us a mislynch.

How does Elena flipping town indict me?

And regardless of your reply....I'm always agains the the lynching of me.

[havingfitz]

agains the the lynching of me.

Stupid phone.

Against the lynching (or shooting) of me.

[havingfitz]

fitz?

Yes?

[havingfitz]

why the disclaimer there? it looks like you don't want to be called defensive, but your question isn't all that strange to ask.

A50 asked if I was good with him shooting me. I answered him.

Is that what you are referring to?

[havingfitz]

If we lynch Elena and she flips Town I'm shooting fitz just to br absolutely sure. He claimed a VT, so not a great loss to Town if he is telling the truth, but saves us a mislynch.

How does Elena flipping town indict me?

And regardless of your reply....I'm always agains the the lynching of me.

Does any of "just to be absolutely sure", "claimed a VT", "not a great loss to

Town

", or "saves us a

mislynch

" tell you anything about me scum reading you at all?

So you'll shoot me because you think I am town (albeit just a VT) so that we don't have a mislynch? How about you shoot for someone who might be scum and we don't shoot OR lynch me. That would save town from a mislynch AND eliminate scum or a more suspect player. Assuming your shot is able to go through.

[havingfitz]

1- Your survivalist attitude is starting to ping me.
2- You also got too alarmed by the idea you stopped solving the game altogether and made this your one and only issue. That's ALSO alarming.
3- Why don't you just let me handle my shit and you handle yours. Whatever makes you think Elena's flipping Town anyway? Because -according to your last published full read list in 3590- you had Elena as your third suspect after Vifam and SlySly, so I don't see where the confidence in her flipping Town comes from.

1-I do not make it a habit of supporting or advocating my own lynch. Feel free to be pinged all you want. Lynching me would be a mislynch and shooting me would be a wasted shot.

2-I haven't stopped doing anything thank you. I'm voting who I suspect today for reasons provided.

3-WTF are you talking about? I don't care about your "shit" unless it involves me... Ex. You asked me a question. I answered it.....based Your scenario where Elena flips town. My read on Elena has not changed since the last time I gave it.

[havingfitz]

OK, guys. fitz' reaction is rubbing me the wrong way. It's not the natural response from a "mere VT" at the game state we're in. We can lynch that one too. Who was still pushing this slot besides Fuzzy?

[havingfitz]

@Fitz:

I did ask if you were OK with me shooting you, yes. A simple Yes/No would have sufficed. Instead, you asked why I would scum read you if Elena flipped Town (false assumption. Shows incomprehension of my statement), and when I said I didn't you started arguing and directing me on whom I should/shouldn't shoot. THAT is what pings me. A VT would normally respond along the lines of "Whatever, dude." or "I don't think that's a good idea.", and if the condition was for Elena to flip green and you actually had a SR on her then it could've been "That's IF she flips green."

Now, I'm NOT trying to tell you how to respond. Do whatever you wish, mate. However, that was a reaction test and you failed by my own standards, so YES you are now back in my list of suspects. Now whether you are THE lynch of the day is up to the rest of town to decide. I don't think you should be.

I still think you seriously need to be eliminated regardless of your alignment

. If you're Scum then it's obvious why. If you're Town, then we deny Scum another opportunity to manipulate their way into a victory in late game, as it doesn't look like you're getting lynched soon but you are far from being confirmed still, hence my dilemma and my proposed solution.

I'm generally not succinct enough for a yes or no. You respond your way and I'll respond mine. Kinda of like you handling your own shit.

And I did not ask why you would scum read me if Elena flipped town. You said IF Elena flipped town that you would shoot me. In my mind that means you have somehow linked me to Elena based on her alignment. So Elena flipping town must somehow implicate me in your view which is what I was trying to sort out. What if Elena is lynched at some point and flips scum? Does that mean shoot me as well? IDK...that's what I am trying to resolve. As I did not think I was suspect to you...your revelation that you would shoot me came as a bit of a surprise.

And I hardly think saying I do not want to be shot and that you should shoot someone you suspect is directing your shot. Saying "Shoot Sly or Xnadro" would be directing. Which I have not done. I agree shooting someone like a James would have been a waste given his impending sorting. Vig shots IMO should at least be directed towards someone who is still in fact suspect. Once again...you vig how you like. If you actually do suspect me...shoot away. Just don't ask for a thumbs up from me.

Lastly...if you think I am a detriment to town as long as I am alive and a probable mislynch down the road...any credibility you have earned in my mind this game has gone down the shitter.

I'm town. I'm invested in getting rid of scum.

[havingfitz]

Prodding Xnadrojx

Votecount please

[havingfitz]

Not voting Xnab,,feels like a policy lynch scum is jumping on

This.

[havingfitz]

Prodge.

Don't like Fuzzy and Sly a lot.
Almost looks good to me.

uuuuuuuuufhhhhh. ..

I hate voting people for lurking. This slot sucks though and barring a night where more than one townie dies...we have 3 mislynches to spare.

His vca isn't very good. Can anyone link to points against XnadrojX that aren't activity based?

[havingfitz]

Edit: Nvm he's L1. Will let everyone post before a hammer, but I'm good with it.

He's L-2.

I'd rather vote someone who has had an actual case made on him (Vifam) than some lurksuck. I think there's a better Chace of Vifam being scum and I'd rather go into tonight down another scum (and possibly scum pr) than do house keeping on a lurker and give scum the Chace to use all the powers at their disposal.

I do agree XnadrojX should go before we're in LYLO.

P.edit ninja'd

[havingfitz]

F'ing phone. Chace=chance

[havingfitz]

Fcuk it.

VOTE: XnadrojX

That's him at L-1.

[havingfitz]

I'd rather have lynched Vifam and possibly take out the redirector,

^ this.

[havingfitz]

Not Chara's contribution is disappointing.

Someone please put this day out of our misery.

[havingfitz]

Not sure why they shot Ramcius over redirecting him though, that makes no sense what so ever.

They can't do both so they preferred getting rid of the player over redirecting him.

[havingfitz]

CommKnight...is A50 being a vig the only result you've gotten?

[havingfitz]

Vifam is Town
VOTE: Fliz
This or Fuzz

I assume by "Fliz" you mean "Fitz?" If so, why me?

Also...pet peeve I find very annoying....being referred to as "it" or "this"...there may be more.

[havingfitz]

If A50 has more shots I think town has at least 2 mislynches it can survive....3 if A50 is done shooting.

Any more info from Comm would be nice.

Elena looks a liiiittle better for role in lynching XnadrojX.
My preferences in order are probably Vifam, FuzzyLogic, SlySly and if necessary...a close decision between Tywin and Elena.

VOTE: Vifam

[havingfitz]

Also it'd be stupid to try and frame Fitz, because he wasn't the mafiaso. The mafiaso (one without powers) would be the one making the kills. Not the redirector. So by extension, the no-kill is NOT explained by Fitz being jailed.

Cha ching!

Excellent point I must say

[havingfitz]

Wonder why XnadrojX stayed off Vifam wagon D4. Could have put Vifam at L-1 instead of making a useless vote on Elena.

I.e. vote Vifam.

[havingfitz]

Fitz and Tywin are just strong town reads

I should be more than a strong town read because of what you pointed out:

Also it'd be stupid to try and frame Fitz, because he wasn't the mafiaso. The mafiaso (one without powers) would be the one making the kills. Not the redirector. So by extension, the no-kill is NOT explained by Fitz being jailed.

This also means that since I was jailkept by Ramicus...I could not have redirected you to investigate A50.

So I should essentially be cleared. And I'd like to know why from anyone who thinks not.

[havingfitz]

A50...remind me why the Not Chara slot is 100% town.

Reading your points on Tywin above wrt the 783 VC actually makes me suspect the Chara slot. 5 people on that wagon and they're all town. I can't recall why the slot is being considered town and the players in it have done nothing pro town iirc.

[havingfitz]

Just saw your 4018. Thinking it over.

[havingfitz]

^@ A50 wrt my post 4024.

[havingfitz]

Comm said he was 100% town, which leads me to believe he investigated NC and got a town result. He never specifically said, but that's what I took from it.

Why on earth would that go unstated?

The replace out is not AI because I've seen RC do that as scum.

The bussing needs a closer re-look IMO.

P.edit....Comm is confirmed Role cop and got a vig result. A50 is only one claiming vig. A50 = locktown.

[havingfitz]

If you shot at me two nights ago and it should've resolved today,

No. I shot at you last night. I didn't shoot the night before.

So it might resolve tonight?

[havingfitz]

P-edit 2: Did I say Fuzzy was confirmed?? Show me where I said that, please.

Close....

Almost Unlynchable: Not Chara, Havingfitz, TheFuzzyLogic99,

[havingfitz]

A50...I can't fault anyone for being confused about your shots. Tbh I've given up trying to understand/keep track of how the Timeshift factor effects anything in this game.

[havingfitz]

For the record: I don't think fitz is a Redirector. I doubt there even is one based on Almost's claims and the timing of his vigi claim. The only thing that stood out about fitz was no NK the night he was jailed. Usually, that means he's caught scum and would've been lynched immediately, but then the vigi result came out and I assume comm literally got 'vigilante' in his mod pm.

What do you people not understand?

1 - Comm (confirmed role cop) got vigilante when he investigated me.
2 - Ramicus JK me that same night but apparently JK's do not block investigations.
3 - Regardless of the JK...I am not a vigilante...but A50 claims he is.
4 - Only explanation for why Comm's investigation would have gone elsewhere would be most likely a Redirector (or possibly a bus driver).
5 - As no scum bus driver or redirector has been flipped yet...and we all assume there is only one scum left...then that means I could not be scum because I could not have made a kill AND redirected or bussed anyone the night Comm's action took place because pt 2 above.

So I am confirmed town! (Attn Fuzzy et al)

6 - There was a night with more than one kill so a vigilante fits for that reason as well.

Unless someone can come up with a reasonable explanation for why Comm got a vig...A50 claimed a vig and we have had more than 1 kill in an evening then a50 is locktown and I am too. ffs.

if Sly flips town we lynch Tywin

Than either Fritz

or maybe Elena

See pt 5 above.

Additional questions....can someone explain why NC is practically confirmed town?
I want to look over all my lynchpool more closely before I lay down a vote.

A50..can you restate (assuming you have) who you have targetted. What night you targetted them. When the kill should have resolved? And the outcome? Just for clarity sake.

Also...

v/LA until Monday

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[havingfitz]

cleared by the RC vs Nero confrontation that resulted in RC rage quitting.

I have posted this twice already but I have seen RC get pissed as scum and quit. ISO me for the game....it was ChaosOmega something something.

As for the bussing...they have daytalk...the bussing started with peptochinga and carried on when RC took over...and I do not think RC was ever really in that serious a spot to get lynched. Maybe he got up to L-3 at one point? IDK. I'd need to look over the RC/Nero and James interactions before I am comfortable giving RC a complete pass. Because regardless...that slot has sucked hard.

[havingfitz]

I have posted this twice already but I have seen RC get pissed as scum and quit. ISO me for the game....it was ChaosOmega something something.

Did you see him get pissed over a quarrel with his own partners?? Nero flipped Mafia, you know.

As for the bussing...they have daytalk...

EXACTLY, so they could've done much better even if they wanted to bus. You don't rage quit over a bus you yourself have pre-planned.

Fair points .

[havingfitz]

i'm back from my extended period of being frustratingly busy. hope no lynch happens while i see what i've missed. apologies for being useless so far.

Can you replace the fuck out so we can get someone who isn't useless. ffs.......

[havingfitz]

This borders on a personal attack

I inferred he was useless.
He has said he is useless.
No personal attack committed sheriff

[havingfitz]

when players act like jerks

This borders on a personal attack

[havingfitz]

Good job town.
Great job A50.
Scum had rough go of it with XnadrojX and James on their team.
I wasn't a fan of the setup...the delay thing. But glad I tried it.

Thanks for the game mod.

[havingfitz]

anyway, i'm glad it's over, on other hand, i hope i won't have play with some of you in future

Lol

[havingfitz]

And now I need to know HOW Comm got a VIGILANTE result checking fitz!!!

Excellent question.

[havingfitz]

my money's on mod error. it's possible

Might be inly answer. At least even if that was the reason I doubt it hurt scum. If anything, outing the vig should have helped scum.

[havingfitz]

Though it could have hurt scum a bit in that it increased the odds Comm was telling the truth.

[havingfitz]

You never went back to check your investigation? smh...
Turned out well despite.

[havingfitz]

QTs available mod?

[havingfitz]

Wagon on me was fucking gross. you're lucky that Almost replaced in and pulled a hail mary because there's no way town would have won otherwise.

It was probably more policy based due to your bloated ego and thin skin. At least you had the decency to run away or town probably would have lost.

[havingfitz]

I would love someone who spent the entire game voting town too if I was scum

but unfortunately I wasn't

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Lol...if you exclude TTTT, Vifam, FuzzyLogic, ssbm_Kyouko, Ramcius and yourself. Oh..and Elena and PerV.

[havingfitz]

Unbookmarking. Thanks again for the game mod.

Hope to play with most of you again.

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