Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

Confirm game start but not around until Monday.

[PeregrineV]

Back today- gonna read it all.

[PeregrineV]

That was less exciting than I thought it would be.

Vote: SirCakez

Some of your early posts have really come of as manufactured.

@zakk

- The sum of your 166 was......nothing? I am surprised that nothing super great has appeared.

@NotChara-

Were you the self-proclaimed Understales expert? I'd like an opinion on 465.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine: i answered.

i also just gave a look, as the self-proclaimed Undertale expert, i have no idea what giga is talking about.
how could a player who isn't Sly have hinted at Sly's role?

oh. i think i know what you're referring to. in my opinion, it's inconclusive. not something i'd push without actual evidence/flips to back it up.

but... why is there risk for a counterclaim? if you're so sure the flavour is scum/anti-town flavour, no one is going to counterclaim.

i also simply think it's too early for this sort of thing to be colouring your vote.

to summarize, i think Giga

could

have something but without flips/claims i don't want to push it. it's just something to keep in the back of my mind, and not put too much stock in right now.

the reason i'm vote parking slysly is because i'm pretty sure i have an idea of some aspects of what his role is (flavor i'm pretty sure, and some general mechanics about it but i don't know his role PM completely) and

i can't possibly see it as a town thing

.

Whatever it is, can you see it as a town thing?

[PeregrineV]

That was less exciting than I thought it would be.

Vote: SirCakez

Some of your early posts have really come of as manufactured.

@zakk

- The sum of your 166 was......nothing? I am surprised that nothing super great has appeared.

@NotChara-

Were you the self-proclaimed Understales expert? I'd like an opinion on 465.

What are your reads?

I don't know yet.

I have some that I will slight townlean for now, but not for reasons.

Don't think Giga is scum, but the incoming replacement can help with that read.

I thought early-game zakk was town, but recent zakk with mulit-posting, and multi-ball spec, and zero L-2 surprise, along with The flip on SirCakez makes me like him less.

I would lynch Noseferatu.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine: if giga is right, it's not a town thing. the problem is because it isn't confirmed as even being role-related, and is related to a different player who would surely be town. it's messy, no need to out it right now. if it comes out later, that's the time to talk about it. essentially, i know what giga is talking about but they've made a lot of assumptions in moving from 'noticing the thing' to 'vote-parking SlySly'.
i'll say what i've been saying: now isn't really the time for flavour speculation.

If Giga is speculating that a role is highly likely scum due to flavor, but doesn't want to out it it for fear it's town, but is voting because of that flavor, then they obviously saw the flavor (as did you), and the result looks like Giga is actually trying to find scum as opposed to faking it. Meaning they are likely town.

We can save the flavor spec for later.

[PeregrineV]

Nosferatu has a single post referencing Creature's signature and not much else. how does that make you want them lynched?

Where did he read Creature's signature? If he read that, then he had to have read more.

[PeregrineV]

where do you stand on peptoisbawl

Sly trying to interpret "grapevine" as "scum PT" is reaching SUPER HARD and reads like trying to build a case out of nothing. I would vote him, but i'm unsure of the count and i don't want to put him at L-1 in 5 seconds of starting.

Scummy.

It's a Balancing Act between my tendency to not want to go in unless I have something i can really slam someone with, and the need to stay active throughout the game.
Nevermind the fact that the site I usually play on treats D1 as 47.75 hours of shitposting followed by 15 minutes of panic voting. All of us over there are terribad at D1, myself included

Sounds like he doesn't want to shtipost, which is town.

The game relevent information is that whoever did that (516 is almost certainly a 3rd party, if it isn't the mod screwing with us.

If there is a thrid party, he might be it.

But otherwise, null for now.

[PeregrineV]

Nosferatu has a single post referencing Creature's signature and not much else. how does that make you want them lynched?

Where did he read Creature's signature? If he read that, then he had to have read more.

i don't know. what does this mean? Creature posted on the latest page where Nosferatu made their vote.
i just don't know how you're getting alignment indicative info here.

Page 13. Where House, Giga, Gamma, Slysly, Creature, SirCakez, and Pepto all also posted above Nos.

Creature was not the pagetop, nor the most recent post before his. So to read Creature signature, he had to have read.

[PeregrineV]

Gamma where have you seen House's scum play?

I have not. I'm not diving into his giant game history without links.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61337

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=5150

[PeregrineV]

Hm
You know what, Nahdia has done some good recovery, and has shifted to a moderate townread.
VOTE: Creature
Same reasons as before.

Can you quantify that "good recovery"?

[PeregrineV]

Before we proceed, how many games have you played with Nahdia?

Enough to know she's one of the better players on the site.

Can someone who has more game experience with Nahdia and House confirm or disconfirm House's claim that he's never scumread by town D1 and/or that Nahdia is savvy enough to not scumread him as town D1?

Wow, this sounds like a lot of work to answer a question. What is the question? What will the answer tell you?

I almost want to parse this question as an intellectual exercise.

Almost.

[PeregrineV]

Hm
You know what, Nahdia has done some good recovery, and has shifted to a moderate townread.
VOTE: Creature
Same reasons as before.

Can you quantify that "good recovery"?

Moderate-heavy scumread > moderate townread
However I'm rethinking this.

If you go back and read Giga as town-Giga, then Nahdhia's replace in was kind of yuck!

If you go back and read Giga as scum Giga, then the replace in was downright scummy.

So, I'm kind of wondering what posts or what they said that caused the shift to a townread.

[PeregrineV]

House is making a case on Nahdia that's built solely on meta. I'm asking if anyone can confirm this meta.

If no one confirms, then what will be your read on House and Nadhia?

If someone confirms, then what will be your read on House and Nadhia?

If someone counters, then what will be your read on House and Nadhia?

[PeregrineV]

At this point in the game, I am not for an Andrius lynch.

[PeregrineV]

At this point in the game, I am not for an Andrius lynch.

What are your reads?

Scummy are
01 zakk
02 SirCakez
10 Nosferatu
11 Nahdia
12 Accountant

Need more are
01 zakk
02 SirCakez
08 Shiro
16 McMenno
17 SnarkySnowman
20 Leonshade
21 Andrius
22 massive

Want more are
14 Ankamius
15 SlySly
18 Narna

[PeregrineV]

Well toodles ... off to spend time with my family.

Zakk, Nhadia and Pepto are all grade A lynches.

@Peregrine

- can you support any of those?

I'm still trying to determine that, for zakk and Nhadia.

Let's see what Narna does for the Pepto slot.

[PeregrineV]

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

It looks like a dichotomous statement that probably cannot be backed up, and therefore will be ignored, but which, yes, does, lend itself towards scumreading Nhadia.

[PeregrineV]

Other:

McMenno and Peptobislawl; I think there's 1 scum and 1 town in there. Really not sure which is which, could lynch either atm but would appreciate seeing content from a Pepto replacement beforehand obviously.

does this not look like setting up a mislynch to you

THIS
Why would he say it's setting up a mislynch if he scumreads Pepto.
McMenno has stated a scumread on Pepto. However, he is saying Nahdia is setting up mislynches. That must mean he believes both Pepto and himself are town.
Do you see the contradiction?

To me, this is saying that McMenno knows he could be wrong about Pepto, and knowing his own alignment, he probably sees this as no matter Pepto's flip, he would be next according to Nahdia's logic.

But, I get the angle your coming from. Do you have anything else that tells you McMenno is scum, or is this it?

[PeregrineV]

At this point in the game, I am not for an Andrius lynch.

What are your thoughts on Andrius now?

Still not for it.

[PeregrineV]

I completely overlooked you. Sorry. --;

I am feeling moody. Thoughts on me?

Your lack of an avatar is distinctly Goonish.

[PeregrineV]

@Peregrine how do you not have a read on me by now?

You ain't scummy, your posting content is adequate, what more do you want?

[PeregrineV]

PV i'm shaking my head and clicking my tongue at you

I hear you.

[PeregrineV]

@Shiro-

go ISO SirCakez and let us know what you think.

[PeregrineV]

well if pepto/narna is town i'd give Titus credit for being the only person to call bullshit on that wagon (and i generally like Titus reads' anyway - she just fools me as scum too much ) so if I am gonna follow

anyone

it would be her right now.

i think she agrees with a Nahdia lynch though, i think it's the best way to go personally.

nahdia has been as unconvincing as thier predecessor Gigabyte.

Nahdia early posting was hard scummy. Currently, less so.

613 is hard to attribute to scum, however.

[PeregrineV]

{Accountant, Titus, Andrius, Creature}

I'm reading this as "Accountant is as town as Titus who is as town as Andrius who is as town as Creature."

I'd like to hear the criteria of each as to how that got to be on the same level.

Short version, since it is only day1.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Nahdia

I just can't believe that town!Nahdia would still have me at null.

I get it. You are null for different reasons than the others.

[PeregrineV]

well if pepto/narna is town i'd give Titus credit for being the only person to call bullshit on that wagon (and i generally like Titus reads' anyway - she just fools me as scum too much ) so if I am gonna follow

anyone

it would be her right now.

i think she agrees with a Nahdia lynch though, i think it's the best way to go personally.

nahdia has been as unconvincing as thier predecessor Gigabyte.

Nahdia early posting was hard scummy. Currently, less so.

613 is hard to attribute to scum, however.

do you agree about Narna looking town?

thoughts on mcmenno?

Narna looks very not town at this point, but I'll wait for more posting.

McMenno's post overall seem to come from town, but there are some posts that raise eyebrows. Overall, there seem to have reads and are interacting with the game.

[PeregrineV]

McMenno's post overall seem to come from town, but there are some posts that raise eyebrows. Overall, there seem to have reads and are interacting with the game.

To further clarify this, it's easier to get McMenno's stance on players in his 50 posts than House's in his 250 posts.

[PeregrineV]

@MoI

I have been focused on keeping my insides, inside and going for the scumreads that people want. I am not a infinite desperado.

Second, I am listening to my gut more on Zakk not less because listening to people on Zakk is how I got into trouble.

I'm basically willing to lynch any of my scumreads and am letting town pick.

@PeregrineV, We are not reading the same McMenno.

I think more will be better when it comes to McMenno.

[PeregrineV]

whoops, never mind. Titus, i just translated it. the first letter is an uppercase D, the second is lowercase. the message translates just fine.

How did you translate it?

[PeregrineV]

This does not start Dear oh dear.

The third word does not start with D.

If you type 520 into Microsoft Word, it is an exact translation.

[PeregrineV]

whoops, never mind. Titus, i just translated it. the first letter is an uppercase D, the second is lowercase. the message translates just fine.

How did you translate it?

i opened a word processor and wrote the supposed actual translation in wingdings.
i wrote it like this:
Dear oh dear. Rushing is how mistakes are made, you know.
writing it like that exactly gives a perfect match.

another thing: House is town, i think.

If you didn't have the exact translation from Pepto, how would you translate it?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine: i don't know. a chart, or trial and error. i can't do it in the browser due to the different styles on wingdings.

something of note might be that Gaster speaks in caps-locked wingdings. the message is written in normal case.
Pepto did not write it. Pepto's translation was in all caps, to go with how Gaster normally speaks.

It's a gif of wingdings. He apparently translated and posted it within 6 minutes.
Or, he already knew what it said.
Which means he is either responsible or knows who was responsible.

[PeregrineV]

6:29pm

6:30pm

Day 1, Vote Count #8

Current Vote Count:

(9)

zakk -- House, Blade Dancer, Not Chara, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, Creature, gigabyteTroubadour

(0)

SirCakez

(1)

House -- SnarkySnowman

(0)

Maxous

(1)

Creature -- Nosferatu

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Blade Dancer

(0)

Shiro

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

Nosferatu

(1)

gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(2)

SlySly -- zakk, Peptobislawl

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(1)

Peptobislawl -- McMenno

(0)

Gamma Emerald

(0)

Leonshade

(1)

Andrius -- Ankamius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

PeregrineV, Shiro, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly, Andrius, massive

With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until 10/10.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.

Day 1 will end...eventually.
Countdown: 362471 days, 16 hours, 0 minutes

7:01pm

Day 1, Vote Count #8

Current Vote Count:

(9)

zakk -- House, Blade Dancer, Not Chara, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, Creature, gigabyteTroubadour

(0)

SirCakez

(1)

House -- SnarkySnowman

(0)

Maxous

(1)

Creature -- Nosferatu

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Blade Dancer

(0)

Shiro

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

Nosferatu

(1)

gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(2)

SlySly -- zakk, Peptobislawl

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(1)

Peptobislawl -- McMenno

(0)

Gamma Emerald

(0)

Leonshade

(1)

Andrius -- Ankamius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

PeregrineV, Shiro, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly, Andrius, massive

With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until 10/10.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.

Day 1 will end...eventually.
Countdown: 362471 days, 16 hours, 0 minutes

Hey i did not sign up for a 1.67 year dayphase.

What did gaster do?

7:07pm

I translated it.

DEAR OH DEAR. RUSHING IS HOW MISTAKES ARE MADE, YOU KNOW.

@MoI- If you want to argue he read, translated, and quoted/commented on the advanced deadline, then waited 6 minutes before posting the translation (and NOT posting the translation first), then go ahead. But I find it so very unlikely.

[PeregrineV]

It's a gif of wingdings. He apparently translated and posted it within 6 minutes.

I had this thought ... but ...

Mod Post - Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:29 pm
Pepto's Post - Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:07 pm

That's 38 minutes not 6. Far be it from me to undercut a scum read on Pepto but your timeframe is borked.

1823

[PeregrineV]

personally i think it's unlikely that even the person who caused our extended deadline knew what that said. do you really expect Skullduggery to put "If someone asks about the extended deadline, I will post in wingdings [insert message here]."

It's an ability.

If it's town, you use it when your about to be mislynched, to give town time to think it over.

If your scum, you use it when you are about to be lynched, to try and save your ass, or you use it to save a budddy from the lynch.

What was going on when it was used?

[PeregrineV]

It's a gif of wingdings. He apparently translated and posted it within 6 minutes.
Or, he already knew what it said.
Which means he is either responsible or knows who was responsible.

Which are the higher odds?
1. He translated it somehow within 6 minutes.
2. He already knew what it said.

Narna, same question to you.

I know what I think.

[PeregrineV]

if that's your argument, Peregrine, then please look at my rebuttal. that translation was pure Undertale fan fervor.
Pepto translated it, got: "Dear oh dear. Rushing is how mistakes are made, you know." then chose to post it in capitals.
they didn't write it. i'm 100% sure.
they

might

have known what it said beforehand. but that's a reach.

OK, translate this. Go.

[PeregrineV]

I'll come back tonight just to see if anyone reaches any conclusions about any of this.

[PeregrineV]

It's awesome having a read on PerV.

Meh. Still hate day1 since I hate doing a bunch of scumhunting just to turn out to be wrong.

[PeregrineV]

It's awesome having a read on PerV.

Meh. Still hate day1 since I hate doing a bunch of scumhunting just to turn out to be wrong.

Scum hunting isn't just about your results on others.

It's the most important part to me, since it's the part I have the most control over.

[PeregrineV]

it took five nights for the storm to pass! Then it was over-

Close enough.

How did you translate it?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, i'm not going to buy that Pepto wrote the message unless you can tell me why they gave it to Skullduggery in normal case, but chose to post the translation in all uppercase.

Case is not relevant.

Ask instead what would be the point of Pepto extending the deadline 1.67 years?

[PeregrineV]

it took five nights for the storm to pass! Then it was over-

Close enough.

How did you translate it?

And do you think Pepto translated it, or already knew it?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, i'm not going to buy that Pepto wrote the message unless you can tell me why they gave it to Skullduggery in normal case, but chose to post the translation in all uppercase.

How would we know how Pepto gave it to Skull?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, i'm not going to buy that Pepto wrote the message unless you can tell me why they gave it to Skullduggery in normal case, but chose to post the translation in all uppercase.

Case is not relevant.

Ask instead what would be the point of Pepto extending the deadline 1.67 years?

Considering the letters are different in wingdings depending on capitalization, it's absolutely relevant.

Nope. The mod's post is this in Word:

Dear oh dear. Rushing is how mistakes are made, you know.

Exactly that.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, i'm not going to buy that Pepto wrote the message unless you can tell me why they gave it to Skullduggery in normal case, but chose to post the translation in all uppercase.

How would we know how Pepto gave it to Skull?

1851

1851 does not explain how Not Chara "knows Pepto gave the message to Skull in normal case".

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, i'm not going to buy that Pepto wrote the message unless you can tell me why

they gave it to Skullduggery in normal case,

but chose to post the translation in all uppercase.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: PeregrineV

He posted a wingdings image but doesn't even know capitalization matters when creating them.

Why did Pepto post his translation in all caps when he gave the message to skull in normal case?

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, no.

Zakk was at L-3. Pepto did the day elongation to prevent town slapping the hammer on him. He did it and knew what the message said without having to translate it.

Not Chara just said that she knew Pepto submitted it. She talks about caps/not caps, which nobody really give 2 shits about, since the point was Pepto did the message.

House all but called me town, then when I start down the road to catching Pepto and NotChara, he votes me.

Zakk was to be saved.

Scumteam includes:

Narna
Zakk
Not Chara
House


Convince me otherwise.

Vote: Narna

[PeregrineV]

what's even the point behind misspelling my name????????

The same point that people have in purposefully abbreviating Peregrine's name in an insulting manner (PerV) or people referring to me as MagmaofIllusion or MangaofIllusion.

You say insulting, I say lazy.

[PeregrineV]

http://www.megafileupload.com/g73b/ohgo ... emafia.m4a i think this link works it's just the audio file.

I look forward to reading the written transcript!

[PeregrineV]

I'm glad we've gone back to this instead of trying to deduce who might be scum.

Based on blade Hunter's posting, I have no reason to believe she was scum. I figured it was Titus or a Titus hydra, but who cares. Based on Titus posting, I liked her posting as Blade Dancer more. Can't say why, except that Blade's posts seem to progress the game more. But, either way, I have no reason to believe Titus is scum.

[PeregrineV]

@Yume-

House took 318 posts to say pretty much nothing (although I did figure out he does not use Microsoft Word). I challenge you to provide content in as few as your next 5 posts. Welcome to the game!

[PeregrineV]

That's what happens when you only read the first 20 pages.

First 20 pages

Menno iso.
Cakes iso.
Every post after I came back.

What are your conclusions form the McMenno iso?

[PeregrineV]

I'm glad we've gone back to this instead of trying to deduce who might be scum.

Based on blade Hunter's posting, I have no reason to believe she was scum. I figured it was Titus or a Titus hydra, but who cares. Based on Titus posting, I liked her posting as Blade Dancer more. Can't say why, except that Blade's posts seem to progress the game more. But, either way, I have no reason to believe Titus is scum.

that's because you're scum with her like in Street Fighter mafia

Was that the one where I was mafia and she was mafia?

Oh yeah, I remember that!! Good time, good times.



Anyways, since you'll never convince me that I'm scum, you can try to convince me she is.
I would use some sort of evidence based logic to do so, since that sways me more than anything else.

[PeregrineV]

I don’t think that’s the real deadline. I think someone did that, or Skullduggery is just screwing with us. Deadlines are here for a reason and pretending we don’t have one or HIDING THE DEADLINE FROM US is bad for the town since we’ll just come to a deadline lynch and I am NOT willing to settle for one of those.

Someone posited that the deadline was expanded by scum, specifically to derail the L-3 zakk wagon.

Thoughts on that?

[PeregrineV]

I don’t think that’s the real deadline. I think someone did that, or Skullduggery is just screwing with us. Deadlines are here for a reason and pretending we don’t have one or HIDING THE DEADLINE FROM US is bad for the town since we’ll just come to a deadline lynch and I am NOT willing to settle for one of those.

Someone posited that the deadline was expanded by scum, specifically to derail the L-3 zakk wagon.

Thoughts on that?

I'm not sure

why

it was done, but I'm leaning it being a scum ability.
Hiding the deadline is a great way to drag out a long D1 with no clear wagon into a deadline lynch.

I mean, that theory is possible. It is.
Don't want to spend too much time speculating on it, but the fact that it was anti-town is evident.

Then it makes you ask the question, why do it at that point in time?

[PeregrineV]

that Gaster ability being anything but anti-town/scum would surprise me greatly. it's scum whether it had to do with zakk or not.
and, Andrius: i feel like you ignored the rest of my post, there. it's like you saw the word 'flavour' and jumped on it to the expense of anything else i've said.

Gamma: then it should be obvious, that i did not notice your crumb. you're also a major townread. Sly, Andrius, and Ankamius are not. well, Sly is a minor townread.

If that was your ability, and you were scum, under what conditions do you think you would use it?

[PeregrineV]

That's what happens when you only read the first 20 pages.

First 20 pages

Menno iso.
Cakes iso.
Every post after I came back.

What are your conclusions form the McMenno iso?

That Titus case is meh at best.

Talk about mcmennos towniness or scumminess without mentioning Titus, because what I'm looking for from you is a read on Mcmenno, and how you arrived at it.

[PeregrineV]

Ok I'm finally caught up! (and there was much rejoicing... yaaaaayyyy)

I would lynch any of:

MagnaofIllusion
Nosferatu
SnarkySnowman
massive
Accountant/Firebringer
Titus
Not Chara
PeregrineV

Fight me, fam.

Narna was just in Wakes 42 madness and was clearly town. That's. It who I see here. Why do you think she is town?

[PeregrineV]

Light at the end of the tunnels

VOTE: McMenno

L-2 I think for all you conditional voters

[PeregrineV]

i don't like this mcmenno lynch

The first one is always the hardest.

[PeregrineV]

Hammer Pledge: Not Chara

You do realize that pleasing to hammer a nonexistent wagon means nothing, right?

Also, if you do not want to hammer McMenno, then others may still do so.

[PeregrineV]

Yume, you're breaking my heart here. Are you scum?

You got me. Red alert! Red alert! Save me, my buddies~

2 left , 3 if you want to get technical

[PeregrineV]

it's a very strong role so I'm not surprised that skullduggery put a limitation on it

Final reads of the game encapsulated in one post?

[PeregrineV]

don't believe I'm dead yet, pal

Logically, by day 8 the game is most likely over. No vigs, 4 scumlynchges in a row, 4 days of mislynching, makes it day 8 at like 5:1.

And your "ability" becomes an insta-town win.

While I'm all for that, I think your claim is a giant load of horseshit.

[PeregrineV]

Seriously? Night 8? there's gotta be a catch lmao.

and onwards

why would there be a catch

it's a bastard game.

I have assumed my role has some kind of hidden triggered event associated with it, but as of now this is the only thing I know

Still a mafia game.
Mod will not lie about roles, why are you assuming the mod has lied to you by omitting role info?

[PeregrineV]

see first post. mod promises no role surprises.

Your talking to the wrong person- you should be addressing mcmenno.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote: Mcmenno

I'm going to hammer.

And I'm a night 9 double voting vig whose shots only kill scum, so there is that.

It's a bastard game.

[PeregrineV]

Can you explain this question more clearly? It looks like you are trying to say Narna was Town in Wake’s game and doesn’t look like it here but the words are muddy on that. Thanks!

Yes. This exactly.

(and another reason I don't do phone posting if I can help it)

[PeregrineV]

Everyone whose names starts with N. Nosferatu is least.
Then Cakes and Leon.

If I were to include the people not yet caught up, Snark and Shiro. Basically they have the least perceived will to actually get caught up. But that's it you forced me to shoot in their ranks.

Didn't Snark catch up? He sure came in spitting fire about town McMenno, he was against that lynch, etc.

[PeregrineV]

Four more and then PV has said he'll hammer

Oh yes. If we aren't going to try logic, I will just hammer to progress the game.

[PeregrineV]

Ok I'm finally caught up! (and there was much rejoicing... yaaaaayyyy)

I would lynch any of:

MagnaofIllusion
Nosferatu
SnarkySnowman
massive
Accountant/Firebringer
Titus
Not Chara
PeregrineV

Fight me, fam.

Narna was just in Wakes 42 madness and was clearly town. That's. It who I see here. Why do you think she is town?

I see posts like 1616 and 2217 and don't really see scum making those posts.

Why couldn't scum post this?

Yo House, is it mostly me or mostly "I'm too afraid to post" pepto who is causing the scumread for you?

Why do you assume the reason people scumread pepto is fear of posting?

Because Pepto was obviously afraid of posting. See the 12 posts of fence sitting followed by a replacement.

I haven't read all of them yet, but that's what I was seeing. I'm claiming town obviously.

Yes, 2217 is a positive thing, even if most of the reasons are gutvibe types.

However, MoI goes from a townlean to a scumread. I read through abut couldn;t really idenify the why.
Based on those 2 attributes, 2217 could also have come from scum.

Did you look through the recent Wake game?

[PeregrineV]

peregrinev my man vote narna with us

Saving my vote to hammer, because despite all he talk, no one else will.

[PeregrineV]

Yume, Shiro, and SnarkySnowman have been prodded.

Triple kill!!!

[PeregrineV]

Still putting things together. New job recently so I'm all over the place.

I recommend not lynching for a while though - run this day out. I think I may have an idea?

Some believe that day ends tommorrow and mod is messing with our tiny player brains.

Otherwise, pretty sure whatever evolves from humankind will have to lynch at deadline.

What is your idea otherwise?

[PeregrineV]

I'm hammering.

I no longer believe you due to the fact that you did not last time.

[PeregrineV]

Sly has said he wasn't going to hammer a townread.

If he beats me too it, he's more than welcome. Otherwise, not waiting for him.

[PeregrineV]

@flavor players- is 1000 years related to a role or the game somehow?

[PeregrineV]

Day 1, Final Vote Count:

(2)

zakk -- MagnaofIllusion, massive

(0)

SirCakez

(0)

Yume

(0)

Maxous

(0)

Creature

(0)

PeregrineV

(1)

Titus -- SnarkySnowman

(1)

Shiro -- Titus

(12)

MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro

(0)

Nosferatu

(1)

Nahdia -- Yume

(0)

Firebringer

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(0)

SlySly

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(3)

Narna -- McMenno, Andrius, Ankamius

(0)

Gamma Emerald

(0)

Leonshade

(0)

Andrius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

SlySly, PeregrineV

With 22 votes available, it took 12 votes to hammer.

This was definitely a 2 dog lynch wagon.

[PeregrineV]

Also, from experience, lynching people who are VLA over the weekend is still a dick move, and highly scum motivated.

[PeregrineV]

Jailkeeper.

When where and why?

[PeregrineV]

Jailkeeper.

When where and why?

Yesterday, the audio file, I was still a bit intoxicated and also being wagoned.

I listened to that and didn't hear jailkeeper. I heard yu talk about claiming, but then not really saying anything that sounded like one.

Oh well. Do you have any information from night 1?

[PeregrineV]

I jailed zakk, in case it wasn't totally clear. Or, tried to. I was blocked or he was strongkilled.

Not clear to me. But noted.

[PeregrineV]

Andrius - did you crumb/imply you were a vig or a PR at all yesterday?

Yes, he did.

[PeregrineV]

Greetings, everybody.

I don't think Yume was vla, and she flaked on the entire lynching portion of the day. There is no way Giovanni catches up to the thread, especially given that they don't seem to even be around. I'm pointing out better vig targets than myself so Andrius can ignore them because he's hyper tunneling.

I am around, I just don't play on other games. Yes, it is incredibly difficult to catch up, however, because Day 1 was a 135 page mess, and despite reading Day 1 for three days straight, I am still at a mild loss. There is also the fact that since I am new here, I don't have meta reads on most of you. Anyway, if I see that I cannot keep up, I will myself ask to be replaced. I heavily dislike playing to prod-dodge.

I have some comprehensive "questions" regarding Day 1. As far as I get it:

1) zakk voted MoI and the so-called "N cult" (lol) jumped out of the shadows (as well as Firebringer and Gamma Emerald) and turned his single vote into a wagon. zakk and MoI seemed to have some past mafia rivalry going on.

2) Around 3250 and onwards there was a Narna wagon that seemed to go strong opposite the MoI wagon. It was then onwards that you begun to start being in a hurry to lynch because the day would end. It resulted in a MoI lynch with many players on the Narna wagon compromising because the folks over at the MoI one wouldn't, also because there were a lot voting third party.

3) Out of the "N cult" members, Narna is now under the most scrutiny because:

a) She was the counterwagon to MoI's wagon.
b) Her reasons for voting MoI seemed shaky and her vote seemed opportunistic because she scumread MoI out of the blue.

Is the above generally correct and complete or have I missed something?

I think Andrius claimed to have vigged Narna, and Narna is not dead.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: McMenno

[PeregrineV]

The latest turn of events has me considering replacing out. This is ridiculous.

Which events would that be?

[PeregrineV]

Do whatever you want. If we lynch someone who wasn't on the MoI lynch and they flip town, I'm replacing out.

I saw your MoI wagon list. Let me go back and *read* it.

[PeregrineV]

Happy Halloween everyone!!

[PeregrineV]

Giovanni's vote sucks.


Cakez, probably because of Not Chara, who has a hydra with A50 called Almost Chara with a very similar profile picture. I got mixed up too.

that would make sense

Happy Halloween everyone!!

HURT: peregrinev

Halloween hater, huh?

[PeregrineV]

Narna or Giovanni, fine with both

Can't believe you'd want to lynch House....

[PeregrineV]

Greetings, everybody.

I don't think Yume was vla, and she flaked on the entire lynching portion of the day. There is no way Giovanni catches up to the thread, especially given that they don't seem to even be around. I'm pointing out better vig targets than myself so Andrius can ignore them because he's hyper tunneling.

I am around, I just don't play on other games. Yes, it is incredibly difficult to catch up, however, because Day 1 was a 135 page mess, and despite reading Day 1 for three days straight, I am still at a mild loss. There is also the fact that since I am new here, I don't have meta reads on most of you. Anyway, if I see that I cannot keep up, I will myself ask to be replaced. I heavily dislike playing to prod-dodge.

I have some comprehensive "questions" regarding Day 1. As far as I get it:

1) zakk voted MoI and the so-called "N cult" (lol) jumped out of the shadows (as well as Firebringer and Gamma Emerald) and turned his single vote into a wagon. zakk and MoI seemed to have some past mafia rivalry going on.

2) Around 3250 and onwards there was a Narna wagon that seemed to go strong opposite the MoI wagon. It was then onwards that you begun to start being in a hurry to lynch because the day would end. It resulted in a MoI lynch with many players on the Narna wagon compromising because the folks over at the MoI one wouldn't, also because there were a lot voting third party.

3) Out of the "N cult" members, Narna is now under the most scrutiny because:

a) She was the counterwagon to MoI's wagon.
b) Her reasons for voting MoI seemed shaky and her vote seemed opportunistic because she scumread MoI out of the blue.

Is the above generally correct and complete or

have I missed something?

I think Andrius claimed to have vigged Narna, and Narna is not dead.

How exactly is this related to whether Narna is or isn't scum? Even more so since this is a bastard game.

I didn't say it was, I was merely answering your question.

[PeregrineV]

I think this confirms that Gaster is anti-town, just in case anyone thinks that "extending the deadline" was pro-town. The messages might also be written by the mod as part of the ability's activation, rather than by the player.

Nahdia certainly hasn't been lurking today.

Except that the timing was to "save scum zakk" from an inevitable lynch. Since zakk flipped town, that logic no longer is true, so why does scum bother extending the deadline at that point in time?

[PeregrineV]

@Nahdia

- translation requested.

(expired on 2016-11-10 20:00:00)

[PeregrineV]

Narna role sounds like a cop but with a different name.

Vote: Giovanni il Pellegrino

[PeregrineV]

Dammit Shiro

I am Gerson - Psychologist

I can investigate a player every night and find out if they have or have had the ability to kill up until that point. So Massive has had no ability to kill as of n2, and therefore he is town.

Did you clarify about scum? Are they considered "having the ability to kill" if they never performed the nightkill? (Basically, do you capture the fact they have the factional kill, and not just someone who USED the factional kill?)

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, that question was answered with the claim itself.

I want to know what the modifier "up until that point" means.

[PeregrineV]

Day 2, Vote Count #10

Current Vote Count:

(0)

SirCakez

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(0)

Maxous

(0)

Creature

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Titus

(1)

Shiro -- Maxous

(0)

Nosferatu

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

Firebringer

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(1)

SlySly -- SnarkySnowman

(9)

McMenno -- Narna, Titus, massive, Shiro, Not Chara, Nahdia, PeregrineV, Leonshade, Giovanni il Pellegrino

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(6)

Narna -- SirCakez, Creature, Andrius, McMenno, Almost50, Firebringer

(0)

Almost50

(0)

Leonshade

(0)

Andrius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

Nosferatu, Ankamius, SlySly

With 20 votes available, it takes 11 votes to hammer.

Day 2 Will End on Thursday, November 10th, at 8 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-11-10 20:00:00)

[PeregrineV]

FINAL DAY3

Current Vote Count:

(11) McMenno -- Narna, Titus, massive, Shiro, Not Chara, , PeregrineV, Leonshade, Giovanni il Pellegrino, Maxous, Nahdia, Almost50
(6) Narna -- SirCakez, Creature, Andrius, McMenno, Firebringer, Nosferatu
(1) Giovanni il Pellegrino-SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (2): Ankamius, SlySly

With 20 votes available, it takes 11 votes to hammer.

[PeregrineV]

Town doesn't want to scumhunt, whee.

My flip is fake, and sorting giant question marks with a powerful role makes no sense.

I'm being death lawyered, you actually caught the scum.

I skipped ahead enough to know that you're not actually lynched, so I can ask what the hell is all this?

[PeregrineV]

I can't believe I am not scumhunting at all right now and nobody is giving me any shit for it.

It's hard when everyone seems to be part scummy no matter what.

[PeregrineV]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

That kind of depends.

If he didn;t forget to submit a night 1 action, he should have 2 results.

ifyuoknowwhatimeanandithinkthatyoudo

[PeregrineV]

Fine with Sotty7 + Hoopla.

Not sure on the other scum.

pedit- throwback post!!!

[PeregrineV]

Mod said no lies.

I wouldn't consider a death miller or similar mechanics to be an outright lie, actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

[PeregrineV]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

Another cop-esque claim? I could only buy this if Shiro was scum, and even then it's iffy.
Giovanni since you already claimed what's your other result?

I have no other result. My ability is even-night (Night 2, Night 4 etc) only.

I went back and read your posts.

Can you consider yourself an average or above player?

[PeregrineV]

Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.

I'm enjoying this .. A LOT. Wanna do 1-on-1? Or would you rather shoot me at night?

And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?

Mod said no lies.

This isn't a "lie". This is the action/effect of an in-game role. It's no more a lie than a GF returning an innocent or a Miller returning a guilty, IMHO.

The action or effect would be to present a lie as the truth (the flip). That IS bastard, but the mod said it is not that type of bastard.

[PeregrineV]

I was supposedly discreet about this whole rolecop deal, thanks guys >:/

Do you have 2 discrete results?

[PeregrineV]

I haven't failed any actions because I don't actually have kills.
I have, however, submitted kills that I don't have the past two nights because BASTARD GAME WHY NOT TRY?

I mean that doesn't recuse me from being the worst serial killer ever, but.

I will not vote Titus.

Hahahahahahahaha you're my favorite.

Vig envy. I see it all the time.....

[PeregrineV]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

Another cop-esque claim? I could only buy this if Shiro was scum, and even then it's iffy.
Giovanni since you already claimed what's your other result?

I have no other result. My ability is even-night (Night 2, Night 4 etc) only.

I went back and read your posts.

Can you consider yourself an average or above player?

I was supposedly discreet about this whole rolecop deal, thanks guys >:/

Do you have 2 discrete results?

[PeregrineV]

You guys tell me when you've either reached mutual consent or have managed to put up a nice tidy strong case on anyone for me to vote.

Oh, and someone needs to check me to verify I have no night action. I don't care if that'd be a Tracker, a Role Cop, a Motion Detector, or whatever else there might be in this setup. I came in with the intention to be as annoying as possible, and -instead- I ended up bored ansd annoyed myself!

There's no way that post came from a town mindset, Almost............

You replaced in and have the chance to give fresh eyes to a game in which you are freshly reading?

Why are you not doing so?

[PeregrineV]

@All- V/LA Nov 11-Nov14

[PeregrineV]

@Shiro-OPen question to you still open.

@Giovanni- OPen question to you still open.

[PeregrineV]

Back from weekend- will catch up later.

[PeregrineV]

If you are reffering to Not Chara's question, then yes I know. I am rereading Days 2 and 3 before I answer.

I'm talking about 4634.

[PeregrineV]

@Shiro-OPen question to you still open.

@Giovanni- OPen question to you still open.

Which question ?

4645

[PeregrineV]

O, I was blocked night 1, I have resuls on night 2 that I won't share unless caky is ok with.

He's voting you. That should be permission enough.

[PeregrineV]

How can you believe Massive is town?

Wagon behavior suggests I am.

Scum avoid wagons on town that scum it up and do nothing. This wagon is behaving exactly like McMenno's which throws my vote theory against my player read, yet you're my only scumread my townreads are voting.

You're observations are kinda accurate. Stongarm isn't the word I would pick but I know why Fire voted. I have known him for awhile.

Someone resulted on massvie that he's not a a killer.

[PeregrineV]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

Another cop-esque claim? I could only buy this if Shiro was scum, and even then it's iffy.
Giovanni since you already claimed what's your other result?

I have no other result. My ability is even-night (Night 2, Night 4 etc) only.

I went back and read your posts.

Can you consider yourself an average or above player?

I consider myself just an average player with his ups and downs. Here, I am definitely on my downs. I seriously cannot get a grip on the game.

The problem I have with your weak claim is that in absolutely none of your posts did you crumb who you were targeting, so that in the event of your death, we would be provided with ZERO information. Even as an average player, I think you would know that.

[PeregrineV]

Nana, you claimed massive lacked a killing ability. Much like a gunsmith, I would believe that is not an automatic clear.

While it means he is likely clear, he could be a mafia doctor.

I did not remember you claiming an innocent on massive because that is NOT true, even if honest.

You are speculating on the existence of a mafia doctor, who you are assuming would not be able to kill, while denying what amounts to an innocent 95% of the time?


Ummmm, why?

[PeregrineV]

Still waiting.....

[PeregrineV]

Can anyone translate this?

FINAL DAY3

Current Vote Count:

(11) McMenno -- Narna, Titus, massive, Shiro, Not Chara, , PeregrineV, Leonshade, Giovanni il Pellegrino, Maxous, Nahdia, Almost50
(6) Narna -- SirCakez, Creature, Andrius, McMenno, Firebringer, Nosferatu
(1) Giovanni il Pellegrino-SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (2): Ankamius, SlySly

With 20 votes available, it takes 11 votes to hammer.

[PeregrineV]

I'll take reasons from both Creature and Not Chara about why they should stay in Undertales Mafia.

I'll vote the one that doesn't have the best reason to NOT lynch them.

GO Chef Ramsey!!!!

[PeregrineV]

Or will lynch scum Giovanni. That will at least give us a "town Maxous" if he is to believed.

[PeregrineV]

Or will lynch scum Giovanni. That will at least give us a "town Maxous" if he is to believed.

Let me say this again: I replaced during a Night Phase. If I was replacing into a scum slot in a game where one player has recently played with me (Creature) and knows my playstyle and another one might remember it (SirCakez) (in addition to anyone seeing my previous games and noticing that I play differently), I would have actually talked with my scumbuddies and went full analytical as I usually do with the help of faux scumhunting conclusions or whatever. We didn't have a shortage of suspects back then anyway, and we don't have one now. I wouldn't have touched the McMenno wagon and I certainly wouldn't risk my position spouting theories the way I did, especially since I happened to replace in a slot that was Townread by a majority of the players prior to me joining the game.

I think you overplay the whole bread-crumbing issue. I have one result (Maxous), who was chosen because I felt like it was the safest choice, as this is the first time I play a weak role and I was afraid of hitting non-town. Also, with the way I played during Day 2, there was a chance that I would be lynched eventually, so I figured that it would be unlikely for me to be nightkilled by scum; it would be unlikely to be nightkilled by town-aligned vigs as well, as they would had more prime candidates than me during the Night Phase.

In fact, I wouldn't had roleclaimed if the following quotes from Creature and Narna didn't happen:

We're not seriously switching to LaL after three days of apathy. Town is boned.

Kill Maxous, Giovanni, and Titus.

Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.

Maxous, Giovanni and Almost50 are my top preferences.

VOTE: Maxous

Disingenuous my ass.

First two posts are before the govern, the latter two are after.

Three posts after the last Narna quote, I kind of roleclaimed and voted Leonshade. Back then, right after the govern, I believed what Maxous said about Narna and Leonshade being scumbuddies (as opposed to now that I stated that I have no idea), hence my vote. When I saw the Narna vote, I also thought that Creature might be their scumbuddy and that they will attempt to lynch Maxous.

In any case, Creature was (and is) playing differently than what I know of Town!Creature, and seeing him stating twice that he is willing to lynch Maxous and I was definitely strange. Narna's two posts were strange in a similar fashion, as well, but it doesn't make sense if he didn't know that he will be governed. In retrospect, even the roleclaim's timing was wrong, as I had to see if Creature would join Narna first, before claiming.

Anyway, I have played terribly this game. If you are so sure that I am scum and I have to be lynched before any of the other possible wagons today, then go for it.

----------------

Something else. I totally misunderstood what "Miller" is when I was explaining my Shiro vote. For some reason, it had stuck to my brain that "miller" is someone that turns mafia if he/she is nightkilled.

Even so:

Nah, I am.not. Just really disinterested. Do you honestly think scum me would claim Rolecop Miller? Psh come on.

I don't get why a mafia rolecop wouldn't or couldn't claim miller rolecop. Seems plausible, especially since it kind of leaves some space to said supposed mafia rolecop to do eyebrow-raising things, like hammering MoI or getting out of Narna's wagon.

You replaced in for night1.
If you had a weak role, in which you would have died had you hidden behind them, why not make it so that reading your ISO after your death, we would see who you hid behind?
You had all day2 to post and let us know your suspect?

[PeregrineV]

If Giovanni is weak, then Narna is town. If he was believed yesterday, why is he not believed today?

Frankly, 4 days in a row of being wrong means lots of scum, or people that need to re-evaluate.

[PeregrineV]

What's this stuff about a draw? Why is anyone thinking the mod would allow or enforce such a thing? Did I miss a rule some where?

[PeregrineV]

Furthermore, since this has apparently become a serious point of contention for reasons that are beyond my cognitive abilities, I would like to reassure everyone that no, not every player in this game is aligned with the Town faction. That would be fucking stupid.

[PeregrineV]

Guys, Giovanni (a weak role who is also an investigative who gets a report, thus eliminating possibility of bus drivers) has an innocent on Narna. If you're going to vote Narna, provide an explanation for how this isn't valid.

You seemed to have done the work- did Giovanni validate Narna's target last night? I think he claimed weak follower, so wondering if he confirmed or in any way acknowledged Narna's result on you prior to or after the claimed result.

[PeregrineV]

Did he claim follower? I missed that if he did. I just know he claimed investigative.

Yes, that is basically a cop, however, I am not a cop. I was reluctant to explain, but my role is so weak that it doesn't really matter. I am an even-night weak follower. Weak as in, if my target is not Town, I die.

[PeregrineV]

I'll be back later. Sounds like some solving going on.

[PeregrineV]

Here now. Reading up and stuff.

[PeregrineV]

My theory is Maxous is a liar and Nahdia has been redirected the entire time.
If Maxous was telling the truth about blocking Nahdia D2 no one would have been blocked but Gio was. Therefore either Maxous is a liar in that he blocked Nahdia or Nahdia is not a Jailkeeper.
Repeat for N4.
Based on how Nahdia has always claimed their results were messed with a Maxous is the scum since scum have 0 reason to switch.
This also matches all night actions assuming Not Chara is actually not blocked.

How do you know Gio was blocked night2?

[PeregrineV]

Giovanni: ask Skullduggery about your possibly being roleblocked. if you're an investigative, you should know whether you were roleblocked, or if your target simply did nothing.

Again, I asked Skullduggery about the result I got when I targeted Maxous on night 2 the moment I received the result and I was replied that the answer I received is intentionaly not clear. It could mean that he didn't target anyone or that my action failed.

Since Maxous (who claims roleblocker) claimed to have targeted Nahdia Night 2, and massive (the person who Nahdia claimed to have jailed during Night 2) claimed that he performed his night action normally despite Nahdia targetting him, then it is more logical that someone targeted me that made me lose my target (re-targeting, blocking, I don't know).

He has said it a few times but here is an example

If Maxous was blocked, then he would not have gone anywhere.
If Giovanni was blocked, then he would have no result.
If Skull said- "I cannot tell you anything about night 2 at this time." then you could say there is some ambiguity.

[PeregrineV]

N2*

Gonna have to review this more.

[PeregrineV]

If the wingdings person is the same from day1, they are probably town. They saved zakk from lynching, and zakk was town. No reason for scum to save town, so it's probably a town player exercising their opinion.
Aside from a common windgdings thing, I don't think anything has been repeated.

Vote: Not Chara

[PeregrineV]

They didn't directly save zakk. They doubled the deadline when it was half over. No one was in any rush.

Other stuff Gaster has done has been directly antitown (like the day 2 shenanigans, reducing the deadline, etc). Gaster as Force of Nature or as Scum are both possible, really doubt they're town at this point though. Especially with the intro image cameo.

they made it 1000 years.

[PeregrineV]

fine. fuck it

i didn't want to claim this but i kinda have to at this rate

my character is W.D. Gaster

my role is self-aligned. My win condition is to survive. If I get lynched I lose.

I can win with either the town or the scum.

Obviously i can manipulate votecounts and deadlines, honestly I just dicking around and having fun with them
Day 2 - I didn't realise the flip would be in wingdings too, I legit regretted that one.
Day 4 - I wanted the day to just hurry up and lynch, this game was dragging on too long and there was no need for another 2 weeks of doing jack-shit.

I'm ascetic and bulletproof and yes I can f'n roleblock thx, I can only die by lynch etc.

I know people are just gonna be suspect that i'm lying and that I can't win with the town - but i'll the point to only 1 night-kill per night. How do I win on my own if I can't kill?

Frankly I think there's certain people that are operating off too much insider information here, even if I do lose you know where to look for the actual scum-team. (yes i'm kinda salty towards the scum right now)

Meaning Gio would not die if he targeted you, because he would not be allowed to actually target you....

Just curious, why save zakk with the day1 stuff?

[PeregrineV]

i get your frustration but i was playing to my win condition of surviving.

i'm only admitting it now because i will literally lose if i don't

Win Condition:

You win when all non-Town players have been eliminated from the game and there is at least one Town player still alive.

Town only wins when all non-town are gone. Everyone self-aligned is an enemy. Lynch Maxous.

The way our roles are worded, you cannot win with town.

[PeregrineV]

Work meeting:
Question to all (even Maxous)
Assume the above is true and give your scumreads or discuss where you think the above is flawed.

I'll give where I am on each person tonight or tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Please out all of your results and which night.

n1-no one
n2-Massive/Creeps couldn't kill
n3-Shiro could kill
n4-Nahdia couldn't kill

Maybe you are the paranoid version of whatever you are. I thought Shiro flipped some non-killing role.

[PeregrineV]

@PV do you scumread Gio?

I'm not sure now. They claimed weak but sure haven't seemed to play it that way.

[PeregrineV]

Please out all of your results and which night.

n1-no one
n2-Massive/Creeps couldn't kill
n3-Shiro could kill
n4-Nahdia couldn't kill

Maybe you are the paranoid version of whatever you are. I thought Shiro flipped some non-killing role.

It's possible that I'm insane. Are you scumreading Nahdia and Creeps?

Not particularly. If your town, those were good choices.

I just looked over isos, and think Nahdia is leaning town, and massice/creeps is null-town.

Just don't like the false positive on Shiro. Unless inventor gave him a vig shot or some such.

[PeregrineV]

@PV do you scumread Gio?

I'm not sure now. They claimed weak but sure haven't seemed to play it that way.

They didn't. And they got a earful from me. But town derp happens and the matter remains Gio stuck to his story even under pressure while Maxous flailed around like "Stop doing this analysis please and let's lynch Narna" . It is what likely makes him Town derp.

that's fine, but we've had 4 days of bad lynches. That makes it 9:5 or 8:5:1 or 9:4:1 or something.

Where are you on the rest?
02 SirCakez
03 Giovanni il Pellegrino
04 Maxous*
05 MathBlade - creature
06 PeregrineV
11 Nahdia*
12 Accountant
13 Not Chara
14 Ankamius*
17 BigYoshiFan -Snarky
18 Narna
19 Almost50- Gamma Emerald
21 Pine* - Andrius
22 Creeps20- Massive

[PeregrineV]

Please out all of your results and which night.

n1-no one
n2-Massive/Creeps couldn't kill
n3-Shiro could kill
n4-Nahdia couldn't kill

Maybe you are the paranoid version of whatever you are. I thought Shiro flipped some non-killing role.

It's possible that I'm insane. Are you scumreading Nahdia and Creeps?

Not particularly. If your town, those were good choices.

I just looked over isos, and think Nahdia is leaning town, and massice/creeps is null-town.

Just don't like the false positive on Shiro. Unless inventor gave him a vig shot or some such.

Or Narna is town derp who checked a fucking miller who said he would come back guilty on all investigative checks.
*facepalm*

This will have to be a post-game discussion, because if I were a PT-cop would Shiro come back guilty as in having a PT access?

for now, still think narna is town.

[PeregrineV]

If you ask me a question, I will answer you truthfully.

Then it can't hurt.

@Skull-

If Shiro had been investigated by a PT cop, would he have come back as having a PT?

[PeregrineV]

Skull only answers questions via PM PeregrineV.

Huh. Ok.

[PeregrineV]

So great, we got two days until deadline

My vote will be on the highest of

Narna
Not Chara
Creature
SirCakez
Peregrine V

I do have a busy IRL. You have my scumreads.

I am not voting anyone else unless desperation. I townread everyone else.

Hey look, Creature scum is peddling disinterest to continue doing nothing or tunnelling me.

[PeregrineV]

Of course.....

[PeregrineV]

@mathblade

- did you kill Titus?

[PeregrineV]

@mathblade

- did you kill Titus?

Considering I wasn't in the game yet no I did not kill titus and neither did Creature. I can't kill.

Lol and Peregrine V invents time travel

you know what I mean. Your slot.

want to lynch Not Chara and probably Maxous.

[PeregrineV]

And I've played at least 3 time travel games I can recall right away.

[PeregrineV]

Four more hours til we can lynch Maxous.

We got this.

We have 11 days left to deadline.....?

[PeregrineV]

speaking of, Peregrine: you haven't talked about why i'm scum since the pepto/Gaster translations discussion. we have some hours left, let's chat.

pedit: that reminds me of a question. Ankamius, have you played with Mathblade before?

It started way back when I kind of expected you to be the flavor master, and to use your flavor skills to try to solve the game. However, a few times when flavor questions came up and we (or at least I) was wondering what it meant (or even could or might mean), you gave nothing.

So I waited, and when speculation came up, you were quiet. That soured me on you from prob-town to prob-scum.

In the last 5000 posts or so, you haven't done anything to change that opinion.
And, except for some sort sprints voting Creature/Math and Giovanni, according to VCs you've always voted to lynch town.

There you have it.

[PeregrineV]

speaking of, Peregrine: you haven't talked about why i'm scum since the pepto/Gaster translations discussion. we have some hours left, let's chat.

pedit: that reminds me of a question. Ankamius, have you played with Mathblade before?

It started way back when I kind of expected you to be the flavor master, and to use your flavor skills to try to solve the game. However, a few times when flavor questions came up and we (or at least I) was wondering what it meant (or even could or might mean), you gave nothing.

So I waited, and when speculation came up, you were quiet. That soured me on you from prob-town to prob-scum.

In the last 5000 posts or so, you haven't done anything to change that opinion.
And, except for some sort sprints voting Creature/Math and Giovanni, according to VCs you've always voted to lynch town.

There you have it.

i expected more.

what are you talking about? i've been talking about flavour when thoughts occur to me, but every time i did Andrius jumped down my throat, and it wasn't useful to anything. i thought Shiro was scum for their Asriel claim, and i've been calling the Gaster player anti-town from the get-go. what did you want from me? you had some false expectations that i didn't meet. give me an example.

voting to lynch town is only the legitimate part, because i have been. mainly, because we've only lynched town.

why would you expect more? Unless I missed something in particular....

First example

Spoiler:

That was less exciting than I thought it would be.

Vote: SirCakez

Some of your early posts have really come of as manufactured.

@zakk

- The sum of your 166 was......nothing? I am surprised that nothing super great has appeared.

@NotChara-

Were you the self-proclaimed Understales expert? I'd like an opinion on 465.

Peregrine: i answered.

i also just gave a look, as the self-proclaimed Undertale expert, i have no idea what giga is talking about.
how could a player who isn't Sly have hinted at Sly's role?

oh. i think i know what you're referring to. in my opinion, it's inconclusive. not something i'd push without actual evidence/flips to back it up.

but... why is there risk for a counterclaim? if you're so sure the flavour is scum/anti-town flavour, no one is going to counterclaim.

i also simply think it's too early for this sort of thing to be colouring your vote.

to summarize, i think Giga

could

have something but without flips/claims i don't want to push it. it's just something to keep in the back of my mind, and not put too much stock in right now.

Peregrine: i answered.

i also just gave a look, as the self-proclaimed Undertale expert, i have no idea what giga is talking about.
how could a player who isn't Sly have hinted at Sly's role?

oh. i think i know what you're referring to. in my opinion, it's inconclusive. not something i'd push without actual evidence/flips to back it up.

but... why is there risk for a counterclaim? if you're so sure the flavour is scum/anti-town flavour, no one is going to counterclaim.

i also simply think it's too early for this sort of thing to be colouring your vote.

to summarize, i think Giga

could

have something but without flips/claims i don't want to push it. it's just something to keep in the back of my mind, and not put too much stock in right now.

the reason i'm vote parking slysly is because i'm pretty sure i have an idea of some aspects of what his role is (flavor i'm pretty sure, and some general mechanics about it but i don't know his role PM completely) and

i can't possibly see it as a town thing

.

Whatever it is, can you see it as a town thing?

Peregrine: if giga is right, it's not a town thing. the problem is because it isn't confirmed as even being role-related, and is related to a different player who would surely be town. it's messy, no need to out it right now. if it comes out later, that's the time to talk about it. essentially, i know what giga is talking about but they've made a lot of assumptions in moving from 'noticing the thing' to 'vote-parking SlySly'.
i'll say what i've been saying: now isn't really the time for flavour speculation.

Blade Dancer: i have to think about it. i don't have experience with 'tells' to look back at. it just seems incredibly arbitrary. if true, it suggests some kind of subconscious scum trait that is making jokes about gambler's fallacy indicating a player will be more likely to have rolled scum this game.

Magna: i really don't see Blade Dancer bussing. McMenno scum would mean Blade Dancer town.
you have a lot of experience with zakk? how are they as town?

[PeregrineV]

right. i answered you there. completely. i don't remember you asking for more, and there was literally no reason to move further with unfounded speculation.

later, all of that spec did matter because it had a lot to do with how i was viewing Andrius's blatant Frisk flavour-tells, which ended up being false. and SlySly's penchant for hammering ended up being unrelated to his role as well, so following that line of logic and suspecting SlySly for it would have gotten us nowhere.

and yes, i

would

expect more from a scumread that you've held all game. your reasoning is, literally, 'Chara didn't flavour-break the game'.

Never answered this:

@flavor players- is 1000 years related to a role or the game somehow?

After that, I just wait for you to post something that swings me to read you as town. That, also, has not happened.

So, you may be a low-level scumread for me, but as I pointed out, you haven't fixed it.

[PeregrineV]

@flavor players- is 1000 years related to a role or the game somehow?

There are flavor references but nothing strong - just tiny details.

my answer is 'Snarky already answered'. you never followed up with this question, so i'm surprised it mattered to you.

i'm a low-level scumread? from your voting patterns, i'd say that makes me your only scumread, if you don't have anyone else you scumread enough to vote.

I did, but they all died and flipped town.

I could continue to scumread them, but that's dumb.

And that doesn't change the rest of what I said.

[PeregrineV]

i addressed the rest of what you said.

all of your scumreads died and flipped town.. so that leaves your one minor scumread who didn't flavour-game the setup to your liking as probable scum, of course.

It's a start. 5 scum left in 13 players, almost half.

[PeregrineV]

N1 - Shiro
N2 - Nahdia
N3 - Not Chara
N4 - Sir Cakez

they're my real targets, I tried blocking Cakez because I thoguht he might be a 'surprise scum'. I would of admitted it but Nahdia says she jailkept me which put me in trouble and I had to lie about it.

[PeregrineV]

I am out til tomorrow except for hit and miss posts because I have D&D tonight.

I'm jealous.

[PeregrineV]

Let's summon pv

VOTE: pv

I require a decent offering. Plus the mod just sent a prod out......

[PeregrineV]

I'll be back in full tommorw- but is there a list of results for night5?

[PeregrineV]

In contrast I think if Yoshi is town they shouldn't unless at L-1.

Gio was claimed Weak Follower who hit Ascetic Maxous D2 and Narna D4. So if Gio is town, Narna is town.
If Narna is town and has can't kill since N2 on Nahdia and Creeps this makes them Town.

Funny you and Ank said the same thing.

So this is that game...

[PeregrineV]

In contrast I think if Yoshi is town they shouldn't unless at L-1.

Gio was claimed Weak Follower who hit Ascetic Maxous D2 and Narna D4. So if Gio is town, Narna is town.
If Narna is town and has can't kill since N2 on Nahdia and Creeps this makes them Town.

Funny you and Ank said the same thing.

So this is that game...

02 SirCakez

03 Giovanni il Pellegrino*-weak cleared Narna

05 MathBlade

06 PeregrineV*- role PM
11 Nahdia*-cleared as not killer

12 Accountant*
13 Not Chara
14 Ankamius*
17 BigYoshiFan

18 Narna- Kill checker

19 Almost50
21 Pine**

22 Creeps20-cleared as not-killer

Is there anything else, or I'm just supposed to accept that there are 5 scum in the 8 bolded?

[PeregrineV]

In contrast I think if Yoshi is town they shouldn't unless at L-1.

Gio was claimed Weak Follower who hit Ascetic Maxous D2 and Narna D4. So if Gio is town, Narna is town.
If Narna is town and has can't kill since N2 on Nahdia and Creeps this makes them Town.

Funny you and Ank said the same thing.

So this is that game...

02 SirCakez

03 Giovanni il Pellegrino*-weak cleared Narna

05 MathBlade

06 PeregrineV*- role PM
11 Nahdia*-cleared as not killer
12 Accountant*

13 Not Chara
14 Ankamius*
17 BigYoshiFan

18 Narna- Kill checker

19 Almost50
21 Pine**

22 Creeps20-cleared as not-killer

Is there anything else, or I'm just supposed to accept that there are 5 scum in the 8 bolded?

[PeregrineV]

Like shooting fish in a barrel, right? 5 of the bolded players are scum out of 6....

[PeregrineV]

Like shooting fish in a barrel, right? 5 of the bolded players are scum out of 6....

[PeregrineV]

Alright, so we're lynching Yoshi right

Is there a case? Based on the current track record of lynching only town, I ain't voting shit without a case, especially since I'm pretty sure the lynchers currently look exactly like the previous 5 lynches.

[PeregrineV]

Like shooting fish in a barrel, right? 5 of the bolded players are scum out of 6....

SirCakez is conf town through things I cannot explain and I am town.

Not Chara/Yoshi/Almost 50 be scums

Sure- let's mark that.



02 SirCakez
03 Giovanni il Pellegrino*-weak cleared Narna
05 MathBlade
06 PeregrineV*- role PM
11 Nahdia*-cleared as not killer
12 Accountant*

13 Not Chara
14 Ankamius*
17 BigYoshiFan

18 Narna- Kill checker

19 Almost50
21 Pine**

22 Creeps20-cleared as not-killer

So these are all just the remaining scum? I thought there were more clears.

[PeregrineV]

Not yet. I plan on hopefully doing something tonight with my one shot. If I say it directly scum may counter. I I still think you should be bold though. Those three first and if game is still a foot then you. At least you are providing words.

Not going to scumhunt myself. If you feel the need, bold me, unbold a townread this is incorrectly bolded in your mind, and post your own list.

[PeregrineV]

Like shooting fish in a barrel, right? 5 of the bolded players are scum out of 6....

SirCakez is conf town through things I cannot explain and I am town.

Not Chara/Yoshi/Almost 50 be scums

Sure- let's mark that.



02

SirCakez

03 Giovanni il Pellegrino*-weak cleared Narna
05

MathBlade

06

PeregrineV

11 Nahdia*-cleared as not killer
12 Accountant*

13 Not Chara
14 Ankamius*
17 BigYoshiFan

18 Narna- Kill checker

19 Almost50
21 Pine**

22 Creeps20-cleared as not-killer

So these are all just the remaining scum? I thought there were more clears.

Fixed. I am technically not clear but I am Town. SirCakez while clear to me is not clear to everyone else.

So, technically, I made the list of who I'm supposed to accept as scum.

You have made a list of......what exactly?

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV: You aren't bad enough to think I'm scum this game. How haven't you figured out I'm town yet?

I think you're town.

Given my notoriously wrong reads, you're probably scum.

Right now, I feel like we either have enough claims to solve or test them, but even that supposition is getting no support.

Mathblade is looking more and more like he's trying to look productive than I feel he actually is productive.

[PeregrineV]

Like, town redirector? You'd have to be referring to PeregrineV.

Hey PeregrineV, who did you redirect into mathblade last night, fam?

I don't have a night action.

[PeregrineV]

no, im going to talk to you. im going to tell you how obtuse you're being.

"A new faction has been created.

MY FACTION."

NEW

new
n(y)o͞o/Submit
adjective
1.
not existing before; made, introduced, or discovered recently or now for the first time.
"new crop varieties"

N - E - W

He is also dead. The mod could have just made a new dead faction, and still not have lied to us.

But, keep claiming there is a cult.

It's logically the neighborhood, so they should all be killed.

[PeregrineV]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

[PeregrineV]

Also, if Maxous the scum/cult creating faction creates the faction upon his death, then he gets killed day1 to make the most minions. It has to be a percentage number or else it makes no sense balance wise.

So, overall, I think it is flavor only.

[PeregrineV]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

Except then they would be outting themselves as culted, you numbskull.

So if you have joined the "new Maxous faction" but used to be scum, you get all of your old scumbuddies lynched while your cultbuddies cult the rest of town. That makes your cult win.

(If this is obvious to a numbskull like me, how do you miss this?)

Also, if Maxous the scum/cult creating faction creates the faction upon his death, then he gets killed day1 to make the most minions. It has to be a percentage number or else it makes no sense balance wise.

So, overall, I think it is flavor only.

Christ almighty, you think THAT was just flavor? You think the day long gap and the extended night phase were flavor? What the hell is with these people? Seriously, I can't fucking comprehend the mindset that goes into seeing something like that and shrugging and saying "oh well it's probs nothin' lol". What the fuck.

Sorry, I will proceed to run around like a chicken with my head cut off. That will catch scum and cult and anything else that the mod indicated should be caught.

Let's see your list for scum, and your separate but equally important list of "the new Maxous faction".

[PeregrineV]

New faction. New. NEW.

If a new scum faction emerged that was different from the old one, and any of those former scum are now town, they would out that info.

No one has.

No they wouldn't. What.

Why would they not?

[PeregrineV]

Does someone has have the post with Not Chara's claim?

[PeregrineV]

So if you have joined the "new Maxous faction" but used to be scum, you get all of your old scumbuddies lynched while your cultbuddies cult the rest of town. That makes your cult win.

(If this is obvious to a numbskull like me, how do you miss this?)

Right. Because we're certain to immediately trust someone saying "Hey I used to be mafia now I'm cult. Follow me!" And not just, you know, lynch them.

Right. Because mafia and cult win together, and cult can grow, so killing the mafia members seems dumb for cult.

[PeregrineV]

Alright I'm just gonna primarily talk in here because Math's gone off on a tangent that's not quite what I meant.

Few things.

1) You guys are losing because of flavour spec and it needs to stop.
2) I think essentially a cult/survivor faction was created upon Maxous death given what we know so far. They may or may not have the ability to nightkill.
3) I believe a scum team existed separate from Maxous prior to his lynch, and possibly still exists.

I think Ank, A50, and Yoshi are all town.

On day6 with no scum flips, you may add the "because....." to your last sentence. For each player/read.

[PeregrineV]

It's in the neighbourhood, but the claim was town as fuck.

there is something in the main thread, but Not Chara ISO is 4 pages (750-1000 posts). so figured its easier to ask.

[PeregrineV]

Alright, here's what I think.

Maxous was choosing someone each night to future-cult upon his death. The cult team can no longer grow and was only created upon his death. Therefore they're essentially a survivor faction now.
Whether they gained a faction nightkill is debatable. Whether they can win with town is debatable.

So scum have not killed any of the Max group, nor have we lynched any of the Max group nor any scum.

What are the odds?

[PeregrineV]

It's in the neighbourhood, but the claim was town as fuck.

Wait... who is this referring to?

Ank

I'm looking for NotChara the player, not Chara the role.

[PeregrineV]

Alright, here's what I think.

Maxous was choosing someone each night to future-cult upon his death. The cult team can no longer grow and was only created upon his death. Therefore they're essentially a survivor faction now.
Whether they gained a faction nightkill is debatable. Whether they can win with town is debatable.

So scum have not killed any of the Max group, nor have we lynched any of the Max group nor any scum.

What are the odds?

What?

Scum could not have killed any of the Max group before last night because my theory means even if he targeted them for future-recruit they still would have been town until he flipped.

So are any of the dead town Max recruits? Do they win with Max-group or with town?

[PeregrineV]

It's in the neighbourhood, but the claim was town as fuck.

there is something in the main thread, but Not Chara ISO is 4 pages (750-1000 posts). so figured its easier to ask.

They have a night action, with nominally 5 results.

However, I found nothing else on the skim I did.

[PeregrineV]

Alright, here's what I think.

Maxous was choosing someone each night to future-cult upon his death. The cult team can no longer grow and was only created upon his death. Therefore they're essentially a survivor faction now.
Whether they gained a faction nightkill is debatable. Whether they can win with town is debatable.

So scum have not killed any of the Max group, nor have we lynched any of the Max group nor any scum.

What are the odds?

What?

Scum could not have killed any of the Max group before last night because my theory means even if he targeted them for future-recruit they still would have been town until he flipped.

So are any of the dead town Max recruits? Do they win with Max-group or with town?

Check the dead posts by mod they had their wincons posted. :face palm:

Okay now I am out for reals.

Oh and JaeReed I seriously explained the line of innocents for the billionth time that most of the thread has caught up with if there is even group scum. So you can say they don't make sense but for the love of God you better explain where the innocent logic fails instead of "doesn't make sense"

Another helpful post.
My point to JaeReed is that I don't believe his line of reasoning because none of the town flips have converted to the "new Max faction".

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, do you have something specific that made you ask about my claim?
i've said in-thread that i have an investigation, i think. nothing beyond that.

Yes. You softed night action, but have no results from 5 investigative nights. Absolutely NOTHING added, much like Mathblade.

But, assuming you've made 5 poor choices (it happens), I have concluded you share a flavor commonality with Almost50.

I haven't determined if it is alignment indicative, but it is another piece of the puzzle.

So, would like a PM name, even if you don't give your actual role. (once again, thats another discussion)

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, do you have something specific that made you ask about my claim?
i've said in-thread that i have an investigation, i think. nothing beyond that.

Yes. You softed night action, but have no results from 5 investigative nights. Absolutely NOTHING added, much like Mathblade.

But, assuming you've made 5 poor choices (it happens), I have concluded you share a flavor commonality with Almost50.

I haven't determined if it is alignment indicative, but it is another piece of the puzzle.

So, would like a PM name, even if you don't give your actual role. (once again, thats another discussion)

I am confused. Why are you saying I added nothing when I caught Maxous? That is a hell of a lot of adding things and you called my posts helpful. Explain. And I agree Not Chara is scummy as I have been saying but connecting us is not gonna fly unless you have pigs.

[PeregrineV]

Merry Christmas all!!

[PeregrineV]

Also, almost50, notchara and I are all dogs.

[PeregrineV]

Ankamius is confirmed as having vigged someone. I think that's a pretty clear implication that Ankamius isn't groupscum, at least (there may well be a weird victory condition there – we've seen a "town but with alternatives" victory condition already – but it's unlikely to be a Mafia-equivalent victory condition). So Peregrine V and Almost50 are going to be the most obvious choices here.

However

, I think this implies something else important: this was a 22-player game, so even if Peregrine V and Almost50 are

both

groupscum, there's no way that they form a major proportion of the anti-town power. So we've pretty much had confirmation about the nature of the scumteam now: either there's a cult out there, or else there are a number of third parties. I can't see any other way for the setup to make sense. Unfortunately, we haven't had any real information on the nature of that. I'm going to ask the mod some questions about what they consider to be a faction (mostly to confirm whether it's necessarily the case that there's guaranteed to be a scumgroup with size at least 2).

The other is that scum is confirming each other and backing each other up.

Either way, not my worry.

Vote: Almost50

We are both dogs, along with Not Chara.

I'm a dog sensor, and detect the number of dogs on the lynch wagon. There are three (since I think I did the logic and everyone has been on each wagon once).

This means nothing, really, since I don't know the flaver. If my role is anything other than a McGuffin role, then Almost50 has to be dog scum.
Otherwise, he's town.

[PeregrineV]

I mean, now that Gio has visited Math, Math can only be scum if Gio is scum too. Unless Math is some weird "weak-godfather" thing. Which, possible. But Gio is confirming they weren't roleblocked at least.

Or Gio is lying......

[PeregrineV]

Oh and since I can't sleep I am for mass claim well since PV is the only one who hasn't claimed yet and is probably the mass killer.

For the record, if I were a killer, mass or otherwise, the people dead would be much different.

[PeregrineV]

@

PeregrineV

: #8869 seems to imply that you think some dead players got culted. That makes very little sense, as far as I can tell; Skullduggery's a competent enough mod to ensure that cultedness would show in a flip (given that we apparently have no other way to determine it or even that a cult exists), and a cult wouldn't target a player who'd already died for recruitment. Can you explain what's going on there?

I'm arguing against the fact that people seem to think a cult was created.

Do you think a cult was created when Maxous died?

[PeregrineV]

So if you have joined the "new Maxous faction" but used to be scum, you get all of your old scumbuddies lynched while your cultbuddies cult the rest of town. That makes your cult win.

(If this is obvious to a numbskull like me, how do you miss this?)

Right. Because we're certain to immediately trust someone saying "Hey I used to be mafia now I'm cult. Follow me!" And not just, you know, lynch them.

Right. Because mafia and cult win together, and cult can grow, so killing the mafia members seems dumb for cult.

Missed this exchange earlier, but it gives me a really strong "inside knowledge" tell on PeregrineV. I've never seen a game where Mafia and cult win together before, and it's not the sort of thing I would think of. It definitely makes very little sense as an

assumption

.

So I get the feeling that PeregrineV knows something that I don't, and am interested to know how.

I didn't include the sarcasm tags, but read it in a matter that indicates disbelief while reading it.

[PeregrineV]

Counting the votes myself: just you and MathBlade it seems.
I'll be very uncomfortable if the wagon grows too large in PV's absence (there's no point in pressuring someone who isn't reading the thread, and I don't want a repeat of what happened yesterday), but I definitely believe PV is the best lynch at the moment, so:

VOTE: PeregrineV

If you're one of the players who can read PV and think he's town, please speak up.

Yo.

Here.

He's town.

[PeregrineV]

Fine. ONE MORE.
You avoided voting before to stop people from sheeping you at all via votes. Yes?
What's different here? The potential for people to sheep is still the same as before.

Because PV has to be an SK FMPOV.

Can you link to all the games where you were right? Since this won't be one of them, but I would like to see your pedigree listed once again.