Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[SirCakez]

@SirCakez, Shiro isn't lurking and defending simultaneously. I just think he's wrong. Still that's also associative read no?

She was lurking earlier, before the narna wagon seriously formed

Sly. I missed you.

VOTE: Leonshade

I had to take a walk around the block and get some air. All is well now. Thank you for the warm welcome back.
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@SlySly, I agree with Narna bring more powerful but every roleblocker (Nahdia especially) and their brother will be on Narna if Leon flips scum. Not much use to uber abilities if blocked.

I'm fine with hammering Leon.
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There's a lot of evidence for Shiro scum. Look how she's been lurking and defending Narna all day.

Let's not forget her emerging from lurkland to quick hammer MoI on D1.

Also this Titus

<.<
Weak is basically a Cop

If you use "cop" to generally describe an investigative role, then yes, I am cop-like.

You get told whether your target is scum or not (indirectly)
That's basically a cop, no?

Yes, that is basically a cop, however, I am not a cop. I was reluctant to explain, but my role is so weak that it doesn't really matter. I am an even-night weak follower. Weak as in, if my target is not Town, I die.

I know what Weak is ffs

[Creature]

Oh woops

[Creature]

I'll suppose Giovanni didn't get a "no result"

[Creature]

So no lynching Maxous unless Giovanni is scum.

[Leonshade]

vanilla cop is the most suspicious claim here. almost certain this is role madness.

Titus got some sort of result on me, and she did soft vanilla cop with our VT/useless argument back in D1.

[Creature]

Ugh let me try again:

02 SirCakez
03 Giovanni il Pellegrino

04 Maxous

05 Creature*
06 PeregrineV

07 Titus
08 Shiro*

11 Nahdia

12 Firebringer
13 Not Chara

14 Ankamius
15 SlySly

17 SnarkySnowman***

18 Narna

19 Almost50

20 Leonshade
21 Andrius
22 massive*

[Creature]

Titus, Shiro, Firebringer, Not Chara, SnarkySnowman and Almost50.

[Creature]

Info lynch: Titus, Not Chara
Lurker lynch: Shiro, Firebringer, SnarkySnowman (maybe Almost50)

[PeregrineV]

Mod said no lies.

I wouldn't consider a death miller or similar mechanics to be an outright lie, actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

[PeregrineV]

Do people believe Giovanni here?

This is the second time Creature says he wants to lynch Maxous and I. My objection here is that I am a weak role who targeted Maxous at night, so, barring shenanigans, I should have been dead if he was scum.

Another cop-esque claim? I could only buy this if Shiro was scum, and even then it's iffy.
Giovanni since you already claimed what's your other result?

I have no other result. My ability is even-night (Night 2, Night 4 etc) only.

I went back and read your posts.

Can you consider yourself an average or above player?

[PeregrineV]

Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.

I'm enjoying this .. A LOT. Wanna do 1-on-1? Or would you rather shoot me at night?

And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?

Mod said no lies.

This isn't a "lie". This is the action/effect of an in-game role. It's no more a lie than a GF returning an innocent or a Miller returning a guilty, IMHO.

The action or effect would be to present a lie as the truth (the flip). That IS bastard, but the mod said it is not that type of bastard.

[Titus]

OK, the drunk vanilla cop fooled no one.

My n2 check was Narna. Got not vanilla.

[Almost50]

Maxous and Giovanni first. Maybe Almost50 too.

I'm enjoying this .. A LOT. Wanna do 1-on-1? Or would you rather shoot me at night?

And as for Narna; if he says something like "I'm being death lawyered" it most probably stems from him knowing there is a death lawyer in the game

. We thus cannot be 100% positive all flipped players were town. After all, this is explicitly a bastard gamer, is it not?

Hello? Have we played in the same game before?

What's that even supposed to me?

[Creature]

Damn, hopefully there aren't fake flips, I hate noflip games, specially large ones.

[Almost50]

vanilla cop is the most suspicious claim here. almost certain this is role madness.

So? Wake's Role Madness had a Vanilla Cop AND a Neapolitan too.

[Titus]

vanilla cop is the most suspicious claim here. almost certain this is role madness.

So? Wake's Role Madness had a Vanilla Cop AND a Neapolitan too.

Yeah, Not Chara's scum.

All the town roles had severe negative utility in some way. Yet Narna doesn't. This seems a game designed to punish lynching based on role power, as scum likely have all the powerful roles as fakes/real roles.

[Creature]

What are all claims actually?

[Titus]

zakk - flavour cop

not that useful. Requires game knowledge and you would have to catch the scum player out in a lie claiming a character.

menno - lazy coroner

not useful until he survives very late into the game which is hard to do.

Titus - Vanilla cop

Only way you're busting scum with this is catching them lying about being vanilla

Giovanni - weak follower

so he can clear people every even night (so not right from the start) but it will cost him his life and requires proper crumbing to nail scum. better than the rest but has it's obvious limitations

Shiro - presume rolecop

assuming he's a rolecop based on his behaviour. Could be useful finding a scummy role but most of the scum probably have roles that seem towny on the surface, so not that useful.

narna - psychologist

gets to know who can make a kill ( so can't be godfathered ) and no limitations to usage apparently. drawback is that he could get false positives on vigs but minor drawback compared to all the rest above.

TL;DR:

Spoiler:

Leon - Governor
Nahdia - Jailkeep
Andrius - 3 shot per day SK (troll)
Shiro - miller rolecop

[Andrius]

I haven't failed any actions because I don't actually have kills.
I have, however, submitted kills that I don't have the past two nights because BASTARD GAME WHY NOT TRY?

I mean that doesn't recuse me from being the worst serial killer ever, but.

I will not vote Titus.

[Shiro]

I was supposedly discreet about this whole rolecop deal, thanks guys >:/

[PeregrineV]

I was supposedly discreet about this whole rolecop deal, thanks guys >:/

Do you have 2 discrete results?

[Almost50]

All the town roles had severe negative utility in some way.

True that. It's annoying as hell. It's like Town PRs are supposed to be the underdog.

[Titus]

All the town roles had severe negative utility in some way.

True that. It's annoying as hell. It's like Town PRs are supposed to be the underdog.

An unless there are a lot of scum doctors, Narna's role does not fit. Leon's might

[Narna]

zakk - flavour cop

not that useful. Requires game knowledge and you would have to catch the scum player out in a lie claiming a character.

menno - lazy coroner

not useful until he survives very late into the game which is hard to do.

Titus - Vanilla cop

Only way you're busting scum with this is catching them lying about being vanilla

Giovanni - weak follower

so he can clear people every even night (so not right from the start) but it will cost him his life and requires proper crumbing to nail scum. better than the rest but has it's obvious limitations

Shiro - presume rolecop

assuming he's a rolecop based on his behaviour. Could be useful finding a scummy role but most of the scum probably have roles that seem towny on the surface, so not that useful.

narna - psychologist

gets to know who can make a kill ( so can't be godfathered ) and no limitations to usage apparently. drawback is that he could get false positives on vigs but minor drawback compared to all the rest above.

TL;DR:

Spoiler:

Before my lynch the narrative was that we had too many cops for me to be one for balance reasons, and now it's that the cops are too weak so I stand out. Lets avoid the confirmation bias.

vanilla cop is the most suspicious claim here. almost certain this is role madness.

So? Wake's Role Madness had a Vanilla Cop AND a Neapolitan too.

Yeah, Not Chara's scum.

All the town roles had severe negative utility in some way. Yet Narna doesn't. This seems a game designed to punish lynching based on role power, as scum likely have all the powerful roles as fakes/real roles.

My role does punish blind following of my results since alignment switches are very likely to happen. My role wouldn't be written like this otherwise. Either way this is pure setup spec, and I don't think it's worth lynching our gov for.

[Titus]

Oh I will not vote Maxous or Andrius.