STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Sonic X]

i agree that ricastle is conftown^

[Sonic X]

2nd^

[Sonic X]

hate it when titus does that

[Sonic X]

when someone has a 95%> chance to be town i call them conftown already

buzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Sonic X]

Sonic:

You're right! Frogger is scum! Please come help me in my crusade by lynching him. Be my vote along-side my voice. I need your support to do it.

Titus:

(I'm presuming it was the Titus head that voted Ra9in9 Bull, via ika) You voted for Frogger; what changed your mind?

Ricastle:

Same question to you.

Grapes:

You had an early Frogger vote; would you be willing to join a resurgence in the wagon?

Of course I'm right. Those fucklords don't want to move.

VOTE: frogger

[Sonic X]

Yea Ricastle has no more VIGS sadly

[Sonic X]

Also, THANK you mastin.

We can work so well together when you follow my reads. Soooooo well. It almost makes me wish to reboot our hydra

[Sonic X]

Cases are scummy

And my lawyer Mastina made one for me

Get rekt

Like that means anything

frogjuice

[Sonic X]

Fro99er also hasn't *done* anything.

Which is, by itself, a something!

Would scum ascetic frogger not tell town he was ascetic, so that way he gets to be a PL for not sharing that information earlier in the game?

And who says he had any intention of being outted as ascetic? A cop failing in their investigation isn't going to go, "Hmm, must be ascetic." They're going to think, "Hmm, musta been roleblocked." Same for ANY role acting during the night. If a role targets an ascetic player, they're not going to think the player they're targeting caused the failure; they'll suspect an outside source. Basic human nature, given the relative rarity of ascetics and the relative commonality of roleblocker-type roles. In fact, Sonic X with a gladiate is probably one of the ONLY roles who targeting Frogger WON'T produce the, "I must have been roleblocked" reaction, since ascetic is basically the only real answer to the shot being expended yet having failed.

Yeah and even then my first reaction was "this game is bastard" for a while until Varsoon and cooldog both reassured me that it is intended

[Sonic X]

it is easy for scum to call town town

[Sonic X]

Mastina can we partner?

[Sonic X]

I can also partner with grapes or skybird if Mastina doesn't reply in time

[Sonic X]

common misconception: you have to defend a case. And I don't really care what you think or say. So yeah. You overreacted.

Common misconception: You don't need reasons to attack someone in order to attack them.

you don't need reasons to attack someone in order to attack them

[Sonic X]

if you lynch scum right, even with the worst reasons you are not an idiot.

if you lynch town wrong, even with the best of reasons, there will remain a trace of idiocy

[Sonic X]

reasons are naught but a smokescreen that multiplies rewards and diminishes guilt

[Sonic X]

mastina please acknoledge that you can ally with me otherwise i will ally with skybird.

thanks

[Sonic X]

when i said to TARGET ME

I MEANT TARGET ME

IS LIKE NOBODY TOWNREADING ME?? NOT EVEN SCUM?? NO???

NOT A SINGLE PERSON TARGETED ME FOR TWO NIGHTS

MAYBE I SHOULD PLAY THIS WHEN IM A PGO

[Sonic X]

i allied with mastina. she's not online yet to post in the hood pt

[Sonic X]

So, Mastin. About that "will become conftown on D3"?

I'm more than welcome to lynching Sonic or Cooldog rn.

So, Ricastle. About that "Replace In is scum"?

I'm more than welcome to lynching Frogger or Frogger rn.

[Sonic X]

VOTE: frogger

[Sonic X]

will probably move vote pending more information from the night

[Sonic X]

My vla just ended and I have no fucking idea wtf is going on

My first slip ever ..

[Sonic X]

Mastin is missing

[Sonic X]

fro99er is a Gem, currently in a fusion with us. Since it's a fusion, I can confirm his claimed gem status is not fake. Obviously a cursory examination of the show wiki will show that not all gems are good gems, but the primary reason people are voting him is completely destroyed now.

this is dumb. why would frogger fakeclaim his race even if scum? you make it seem as if we are voting him because he lied about being gem.

no.

we are voting him because he lied about being town.

[Sonic X]

holy shit, i just realised mastina has the same number of votes as frogger

what the heck

and we even have a doublevoter on our side

[Sonic X]

you dont get it do you


lets rephrase that

we are voting him because he is scummy

[Sonic X]

The walls have eyes

by the by this is a really really good book

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5782 ... -have-eyes


turns out this was a bit difficult to find on google

[Sonic X]

always assume it is sonic unless signed otherwise by zx. zx is almost never playing this game. typical.

screw cases. my lawyer mastina will do that shit for you. why dont you take some time and ISO mastina

[Sonic X]

you know what

im nice

i'll do it for you

enjoy quotewalls

i did this on purpose

that'll teach you

Also, I'm gonna do what Sonic was too lazy to: quote Beer about Raging Bull, AKA, Frogger. (Or Fro99er, if you prefer to be technical.)

Bull/NicCage are the two players that seriously seriously need to be looked at when I flip town. Bull is white knighting us: he continually tries to ascribe scum motivation to town players pushing out wagon that isn't there, his thought process doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and he keeps complaining about people pushing him for his activity when the entire push is on Ika for his inactivity.

You've seen Ika lurk as town, ok. Has he ever gone through an entire day phase with this little content as town before? Do you really think that ika replaces out of this game without telling his own hydra partner as town or do you think he at least makes an effort to defend himself/explain what happened? I can't stress enough how straightforward and easy the Ika read is. Read his completed games. Skim his ISOs. He lurks comically hard as scum (which is what he's doing here). He puts some sort of effort in as town. That's it.

Vezok's somewhat shadiness in terms of being forthright about what was said and the hated claim deal and I am not feeling good about a Beer wagon. He's probably getting lynched anyway because deadline, but you are my strongest scumread because both you and ZZ are playing to your scum meta.

Vezok has been shady about the situation? Hasn't seemed that way at all to me. It seems like he made a misguided push and put his heart into it; you say that he claiming we were hated happened too late but he did it early enough where the town could have did something about it and he was additionally under no obligation to share our claim because it is our responsibility to get in thread and claim our shit. You trying to pin our lynch on his shadiness is bullshit.

There's also that matter of the empty claim of Sonic/ZZZX playing to their scum meta: are you planning on backing that up, or do you hope vague meta assertions about other players are going to carry you to victory?

You all forgot that a lynch didn't happen after bins "hammered"
Beer obviously isn't hated
Either that or Varsoon made a vc mistake

There's 9 votes on Beer and 11 to lynch. Beer could still be hated.
VOTE: Sonic X

This is an extraordinarily lame vote. You think that Sonic-scum pushes that we are scum because we are not hated when we only have 9 votes on us?

So activity is? It's so annoying when I'm read as town or as scum based on activity

Don't care about your activity. I care about Ika's. There's a very strong correlation between activity and alignment with him and he's shown no signs of fixing that correlation anytime soon.
I don't think you've done anything that looks particularly town, either: pushing vezok for not paraphrasing the PT shows that you're not reading his posts very closely or looking at his play as a whole.

GOOD LYNCHES:
Ra9in9 Bull: I love this vote because it's so lovely and so easy. When ika posts, he's town. When ika doesn't post, he's scum. Ika isn't posting. He is probably scum! Now there is this nasty caveat that the slot might be scum thanks to the bulletproof claim that was crumbed at the beginning of the game but it's not a shining light of overwhelming towniness that makes me feel bad about voting the slot or anything like that.

Vote: Raging Bull

This seems like a fairly straightforward vote and the likeliest to hit scum at the moment. Ika has a very distinct meta: as town, he does something. As scum, he does nothing but lurk. All he is doing here is lurking.

There ya go.

Yeah, yeah. Lynched player, who also had some provably-bad reads (e.g. Marquis, Cheetory). I'm not saying to blindly sheep them; they should be taken with a grain of salt. But I am also asking that people read the above and consider it.

why did you out our BP

Also don't see this as town.

Good god, why of all the roles i get this......
Meh at least the other part is ok. I got a few to chat but then i got work

This also doesn't look good, either.

I'm not voting frogger. That wagon screams bad things.

All of its one voters?

WHAT bad things?

The only bad thing about it is how it's not larger than it is!

Quick note before I go to work:
Another couple of points against Frogger are that ika's rage looked entirely faked (as did most of his posting for that matter), and that Frogger's posting has been fairly bad overall: there are admittedly large chunks in the middle that are okay, but both near the beginning and the end, it's nothing but bad posting. That, not even going into the Raging Bull posting which was just terrible.

I really wish I had more time to talk right now, because there's not only the above I want to talk about in more detail, but also one or two others that I want to explain:
One, that it's unlikely Varsoon would include THREE different double-voters with one of them as a vote thief, and make them all town. Two, that when it came to the power roles from the Micro, Varsoon felt that the town was overpowered and scum underpowered by my memory, and that he ranted about it--so do you honestly think that in THIS game, he'd make the scum EVEN WEAKER and the town EVEN STRONGER by having a town ascetic vote thief? No, by far the more likely answer is that V buffed the power of the mafia ascetic to be a vote thief, because by someone's own admission (forget who), Varsoon makes ridiculously-strong scum roles. And ascetic vote thief (keep in mind that scum ascetic IS EFFECTIVELY A GODFATHER!) seems to fit the bill.

Mastin2, you made two very passionate posts on how one should NEVER hero-vig, and here you are telling ricastle to hero-vig.

Yes.

WHICH SHOULD TELL YOU WHAT I MEAN ABOUT FROGGER!

The fact that there's this much resistance to a Fro99er wagon should tell you something, too! Even people who

have supported the wagon

are hesitant to join it. Such as Ricastle. Heck! Vezok's iso contains nothing but Frogger-bashing the entire time as far as I can tell, so he should have no reason to resist, yet here he is insisting that something about the basically-nonexistent-at-the-time wagon is bad!

Add in the conftown mass commute/reflexive kill by TunnelWarriors and you claiming you are conftown tomorrow, then what kind of powers do you think scum has, and why haven't we seen any yet?

I think we have: YOURS! Ascetic for town = macho-miller essentially, unable to be investigated or protected. Ascetic for SCUM? SUPERIOR in strength to a Godfather, because it effectively makes them half-ninja (immune to trackers), half-strongman (immune to roleblockers), and COMPLETE godfather (immune to cops, rolecops, gunsmiths, vanilla cops, and whatnot). Throw in the vote thief power? You've got one heck of a strong scum role.

Frogger v Sonic screams TvT, how do you not see that?

How do you not see that Frogger isn't town? It's townVscum, SonicVFrogger. And now I get to turn around and flip the point in Frogger's defense against him: you're saying this generic thing about Frogger being town, without backing up why. (The irony!)

So I only have fifteen minutes. Doubt I'll be able to read the two pages (back on 103 right now) in that time, but I'll try.

I logged in for additional points against Frogger.
Near-universally, vote thief (which is basically what Frogger's ally power is) is a scum ability. I realize that searching for vote thieves is a problem because (1) it's an extremely rare role, and (2) it's almost always in a theme and thus not necessarily called by that name (vote thieves being CALLED vote thieves are in the minority!), but for every instance of a town vote thief you find, you can find ten instances of a scum vote thief. The reason why is clear: because while there is basically minimal utility in a town player stealing the vote of another player (one who is far more likely to be town than scum anyway, ESPECIALLY given the allying system!), there is

massive

utility in a scum player stealing the vote of a player (especially a town one), even if the steal is limited to one player and is public in nature.

Then you look into the ascetic half. Let's for the sake of argument discard the fact that Varsoon included a 1x Gladiator and that Fro99er claimed to be an ascetic, when in a previous game that Varsoon was in, that combination would make Fro99er scum. Let's just assume that for one second, that point isn't valid and that it actually IS coincidence. (It's not, I guarantee you it's not, but for the sake of argument...) Let's focus on just the ascetic bit. What is the utility in a town ascetic? There basically is none; it's considered a negative utility role, akin to a miller.

What is the utility in a scum ascetic? As I have said--and take it from me, I'm a NORMAL REVIEWER so I actually GET THIS AS PART OF MY JOB!--Mafia Ascetics are used in lieu of Godfathers, and while weaker in the sense that they're not giving a false positive, they're stronger in that they interfere with all town investigative roles (including the RB) rather than just the one. So Mafia Ascetics, again I know this for a fact, are in the rise usage-wise.

Ergo, Fro99er's role is not just half scum.
It's entirely scum.
There's minimal to zero town utility behind the role, while offering scum MASSIVE utility.

Frogger is scum. Guarantee you. By setup. By mod meta. By play of hydra partner. By VCA. By dead town analysis. And by own play. (Admittedly I've yet to show the last bit, but I'm planning on it when I have more time.) Whoever else might be scum. Maybe Replace-in, maybe Constantine. It doesn't matter. Leave them for another day. Heck, the presence of an ascetic Fro99er's alignment regardless implies the presence of an investigative PR, so if you're that desperate to learn their alignment let a cop take care of them or something. You can't do that for Fro99er, though. So just lynch him today. Not tomorrow, today.

Btw, another point against Frogger is that BP claim earlier. (Still need to catch up, am doing so soon.)
As a town ascetic, know what your job is?

To die via nightkill

. Like a town miller.
Alternatively, to draw scum PRs if unclaimed, even though that strategy is questionable even at its best.

Know what claiming BP does?

Ensures you don't die via nightkill

.

Like, I'm raising a ton. TON. Of points against Frogger, which are a wide variety of different things, different angles to look at it. And basically the only thing, the only way to write that off, is, "Well, his play looks town?"

Mastin, what could ricastles lack of support for voting frog have to do with frog's alignment? That's sort of sophistic territory you're walking into there. Vezo though idk, that would be nice to hear about.

The basic point is a response to the Replace-in wagon.

"Oh, hey, it's been hard to wagon Replace-in, that means Replace-in must be scum."

To which, I responded, "Oh, YEAH? Just look at the Frogger wagon, which

has resistance from people who

previously supported it and haven't changed their mind

. And go tell me THAT isn't a hard wagon."

I'm fighting tooth and nail here for every vote.

All the while

, struggling to maintain those already existing,

and

with the risk of the existing wagons overtaking my counterwagon attempt at any time to get a lynch. The Fro99er wagon is viable, sure, but it struggles to be tangible.

In contrast, the Replace-in wagon and the Constantine wagon have both existed since the beginning of the day, essentially--the Replace-in wagon going further back than that, to D1! They've been both viable and tangible the entire time (thus, are likely mislynches), so basically, the 'point' against Replace-in is actually a huge black mark against Fro99er, not Replace-in.

Why are you agreeing with Fro99er's point about Replace In if you think he's scum, which as a result would give Replace In a legitimate reason as scum to try and clear Fro99er?

Just because Frogger's scum doesn't mean he can't raise a good point for why Replace-in wouldn't be. In fact, it's to his benefit to. Basically, Frogger's alignment regardless, he raised a good point on why Replace-in wouldn't be scum. I agreed with the point. I still think Frogger is scum in spite of him raising the point.

Fro99er also hasn't *done* anything.

Which is, by itself, a something!

Would scum ascetic frogger not tell town he was ascetic, so that way he gets to be a PL for not sharing that information earlier in the game?

And who says he had any intention of being outted as ascetic? A cop failing in their investigation isn't going to go, "Hmm, must be ascetic." They're going to think, "Hmm, musta been roleblocked." Same for ANY role acting during the night. If a role targets an ascetic player, they're not going to think the player they're targeting caused the failure; they'll suspect an outside source. Basic human nature, given the relative rarity of ascetics and the relative commonality of roleblocker-type roles. In fact, Sonic X with a gladiate is probably one of the ONLY roles who targeting Frogger WON'T produce the, "I must have been roleblocked" reaction, since ascetic is basically the only real answer to the shot being expended yet having failed.

I don’t care that Varsoon may have seen the scum ascetic/ town gladiator before.

May have

seen?!?

He was in the fucking game!

Fuck it. I swore I wouldn't bring that game up, but you clearly are all lazy idiots who refuse to do your own damn research without me wagging the leash in front of you, so here I go. The game in question.

I find it impossible. Literally. fucking. impossible. That we have a 1x Gladiator claim. And an ascetic claim. With Varsoon as the mod. As COINCIDENCE. When he was in that fucking game.

That comment about the Constantine wagon being all scum reads (even though he was the last to join the Constantine wagon of those currently voting Constantine) is absolute BS. Why did he join a bunch of scum reads on a wagon?

This is an absolute shit point too.

Replace-in voted Constantine out of survivalism: Replace-in was the largest wagon, and Constantine the second-largest.

When Replace-in bothered to look at the wagon on Constantine, Replace-in made the analysis that it was a bad wagon, and

in spite of it basically ensuring Replace-in as the lynch

, said that anyway, and I believe hopped off.

Know what that is?

That's town.

Not scum.

RAISING this point AGAINST Replace-in, though, THAT is scum.

That comment about the Constantine wagon being all scum reads (even though he was the last to join the Constantine wagon of those currently voting Constantine) is absolute BS. Why did he join a bunch of scum reads on a wagon?

This is an absolute shit point too.

Replace-in voted Constantine out of survivalism: Replace-in was the largest wagon, and Constantine the second-largest.

When Replace-in bothered to look at the wagon on Constantine, Replace-in made the analysis that it was a bad wagon, and

in spite of it basically ensuring Replace-in as the lynch

, said that anyway, and hopped off.

After Fro99er made that post, Replace-in gained a number of votes, at least one or two, off of that point alone. When it is the absolute largest piece of shit of a point ever. And of those who jumped on, I think there might have been one

who previously acknowledged Replace-in's survivalism-vote as being null

. (Checking in a sec to confirm.)

Still would like to say that Fro99er's point was a shitty one.

[Sonic X]

irresistible

if you send me pictures of your dog i will unvote you for 24 h

[Sonic X]

fro99er (5): Sonic X, NicCage, Vezokpiraka, Vezokpiraka, grapes

[Sonic X]

i am going to catch up. many pages overnight.

[Sonic X]

One last thing. Vezok is probably scum. He keeps appearing to be trying to break the game by flavor and pushing townies to the gallows. His double vote going away at end game takes role reasons to exclude him from the scum list away and after that we're just left with worthless content and him pushing townies to mislynches. That's bad. He's probably scum.

Love, still with fresh cookies and warm milk,
Drixx

oh,, yeah. varsoon just ran space dandy mafia with a fucking overpowered scum hypervoter that ended the game so easily and also there was a very noob town mass roleblocker that stopped 2 dayvigs on 2 scum

but i think vezok is town for play

[Sonic X]

Also, now is a good time to say that we have several pieces of weak evidence, which when taken together make it very likely that Fro99er is town. The pushes on him are all suspect in my opinion (Cerb may agree or not on this front, but I think he agrees with me that all cases thus far against Fro99er are shit). Mastin gets a pass because she gets cleared, but everyone else is rising up the scum list. After Fro99er got back from the vet, he was quite willing to submit to our questioning, and one particular thing he said simply doesn't make sense coming from a scum viewpoint, on top of the other evidence for him being town.

For the sake of the game state, either Sonic X or Fro99er need to be lynched today, and since we believe that Fro99er is town, then the logical move is to take Sonic X to the gallows today. It's possible that's a Town v. Town situation, but it has read to me like either one or the other of them was scum going back as far as I can recall having formed an opinion on their spat, and since Fro99er has the different pieces of weak evidence plus a personal town read from us, Sonic is like to be scum, in our opinion.

this is stupid

are you not going to listen to mastina that frogger is scum? i dont know how else to help you. frogger is sitting there bullshitting "you can't lynch me if you have no case!!" which is a typical scum reaction to being caught but town is too dumb




i can compromise on fuzzy but theres 5 votes on frogger 0 on fuzzy, i'm taking the frog


i can also remove farside. shes remarkably useless and bad here. that vote on me? super bad

[Sonic X]

RR, are you rational here. how many conftown you know are scumreading frogger? at least 2. AT LEAST 2. Beer and mastina

how many conftown you know are scumreading me? yourself? you aren't even sure yourself. how can you count that.

so are you going to ignore their views because of your own "reads" that arent even based in fact? do you think you are a beter scumhunter than these people combined on an agreed opinion?


its so fucking difficult to lynch scum and you losers are telling me to "look at more scumreads"? screw off.

[Sonic X]

Also, now is a good time to say that we have several pieces of weak evidence, which when taken together make it very likely that Fro99er is town. The pushes on him are all suspect in my opinion (Cerb may agree or not on this front, but I think he agrees with me that all cases thus far against Fro99er are shit). Mastin gets a pass because she gets cleared, but everyone else is rising up the scum list. After Fro99er got back from the vet, he was quite willing to submit to our questioning, and one particular thing he said simply doesn't make sense coming from a scum viewpoint, on top of the other evidence for him being town.

For the sake of the game state, either Sonic X or Fro99er need to be lynched today, and since we believe that Fro99er is town, then the logical move is to take Sonic X to the gallows today. It's possible that's a Town v. Town situation, but it has read to me like either one or the other of them was scum going back as far as I can recall having formed an opinion on their spat, and since Fro99er has the different pieces of weak evidence plus a personal town read from us, Sonic is like to be scum, in our opinion.

this is stupid

are you not going to listen to mastina that frogger is scum? i dont know how else to help you. frogger is sitting there bullshitting "you can't lynch me if you have no case!!" which is a typical scum reaction to being caught but town is too dumb




i can compromise on fuzzy but theres 5 votes on frogger 0 on fuzzy, i'm taking the frog


i can also remove farside. shes remarkably useless and bad here. that vote on me? super bad

And there is the omgus from sonic since I've been calling him scum since day 2.

omgus is a town action

[Sonic X]

Also, now is a good time to say that we have several pieces of weak evidence, which when taken together make it very likely that Fro99er is town. The pushes on him are all suspect in my opinion (Cerb may agree or not on this front, but I think he agrees with me that all cases thus far against Fro99er are shit). Mastin gets a pass because she gets cleared, but everyone else is rising up the scum list. After Fro99er got back from the vet, he was quite willing to submit to our questioning, and one particular thing he said simply doesn't make sense coming from a scum viewpoint, on top of the other evidence for him being town.

For the sake of the game state, either Sonic X or Fro99er need to be lynched today, and since we believe that Fro99er is town, then the logical move is to take Sonic X to the gallows today. It's possible that's a Town v. Town situation, but it has read to me like either one or the other of them was scum going back as far as I can recall having formed an opinion on their spat, and since Fro99er has the different pieces of weak evidence plus a personal town read from us, Sonic is like to be scum, in our opinion.

this is stupid

are you not going to listen to mastina that frogger is scum? i dont know how else to help you. frogger is sitting there bullshitting "you can't lynch me if you have no case!!" which is a typical scum reaction to being caught but town is too dumb




i can compromise on fuzzy but theres 5 votes on frogger 0 on fuzzy, i'm taking the frog


i can also remove farside. shes remarkably useless and bad here. that vote on me? super bad

And there is the omgus from sonic since I've been calling him scum since day 2.

omgus is a town action

No it's not

yes it is

[Sonic X]

im in a "Hydra" with zzzx. you want to tell me that omgus is not a town action? back that shit up

[Sonic X]

One last thing. Vezok is probably scum. He keeps appearing to be trying to break the game by flavor and pushing townies to the gallows. His double vote going away at end game takes role reasons to exclude him from the scum list away and after that we're just left with worthless content and him pushing townies to mislynches. That's bad. He's probably scum.

Love, still with fresh cookies and warm milk,
Drixx

oh,, yeah. varsoon just ran space dandy mafia with a fucking overpowered scum hypervoter that ended the game so easily and also there was a very noob town mass roleblocker that stopped 2 dayvigs on 2 scum

but i think vezok is town for play

Also, now is a good time to say that we have several pieces of weak evidence, which when taken together make it very likely that Fro99er is town. The pushes on him are all suspect in my opinion (Cerb may agree or not on this front, but I think he agrees with me that all cases thus far against Fro99er are shit). Mastin gets a pass because she gets cleared, but everyone else is rising up the scum list. After Fro99er got back from the vet, he was quite willing to submit to our questioning, and one particular thing he said simply doesn't make sense coming from a scum viewpoint, on top of the other evidence for him being town.

For the sake of the game state, either Sonic X or Fro99er need to be lynched today, and since we believe that Fro99er is town, then the logical move is to take Sonic X to the gallows today. It's possible that's a Town v. Town situation, but it has read to me like either one or the other of them was scum going back as far as I can recall having formed an opinion on their spat, and since Fro99er has the different pieces of weak evidence plus a personal town read from us, Sonic is like to be scum, in our opinion.

this is stupid

are you not going to listen to mastina that frogger is scum? i dont know how else to help you. frogger is sitting there bullshitting "you can't lynch me if you have no case!!" which is a typical scum reaction to being caught but town is too dumb




i can compromise on fuzzy but theres 5 votes on frogger 0 on fuzzy, i'm taking the frog


i can also remove farside. shes remarkably useless and bad here. that vote on me? super bad

Didn't you give yourself an excuse to lurk as soon as we made the infodump? Are you catching up on the thread or doing damage control? I can't tell which.


Love,
Drixx


P-Edit: Insults are the last resort of bullies and morons. Do try and rise above that. We are town reading Fro99er because of our interactions with him, information we have that is weak evidence for him being town, and because every case made against him doesn't stand up to even basic rudimentary logical examination. It doesn't matter that I'm sure Mastin is town. That doesn't make her logically awful "case" against Fro99er actually stand up to scrutiny. It simply doesn't pass muster.

Also ... Vezok's ISO is even more awful than we thought. I'll let Cerb elaborate on that though.

how long does it take to read 6 pages? 15-20 minutes? i have a laptop now specially to do chores like that.


well screw cases. the case on frogger is already one of the most content in the game. was there a case on beer? was there a case on replace in? your insistence of dumb walls that are more time consuming is just hindering progress. i can't be 100% sure that frogger is scum unless i am a cop and i copo him. i can however be 95% sure.

your town read on him also doesnt stand up to "basic rudimentary logical examination" its just your opinion. and there are clearly many people that disagree with you. and they are probably right

[Sonic X]

im in a "Hydra" with zzzx. you want to tell me that omgus is not a town action? back that shit up

It's null no mater what.

You back up only town does it and I show you scum doing it and then what do you have?

i have zzzx loser omgus meta

[Sonic X]

im in a "Hydra" with zzzx. you want to tell me that omgus is not a town action? back that shit up

It's null no mater what.

You back up only town does it and I show you scum doing it and then what do you have?

if its null then why did you complain about it? are you just trying to discredit me with something "null"?

[Sonic X]

theres nothing wrong with using others cases. why must i make my own? waste time.

and i have already made my own, just so you know. so dont bs me

[Sonic X]

i didnt say its a town only action

i said it was a town action

and i can say this because i am in a hydra wtih zzzx

[Sonic X]

Also, now is a good time to say that we have several pieces of weak evidence, which when taken together make it very likely that Fro99er is town. The pushes on him are all suspect in my opinion (Cerb may agree or not on this front, but I think he agrees with me that all cases thus far against Fro99er are shit). Mastin gets a pass because she gets cleared, but everyone else is rising up the scum list. After Fro99er got back from the vet, he was quite willing to submit to our questioning, and one particular thing he said simply doesn't make sense coming from a scum viewpoint, on top of the other evidence for him being town.

For the sake of the game state, either Sonic X or Fro99er need to be lynched today, and since we believe that Fro99er is town, then the logical move is to take Sonic X to the gallows today. It's possible that's a Town v. Town situation, but it has read to me like either one or the other of them was scum going back as far as I can recall having formed an opinion on their spat, and since Fro99er has the different pieces of weak evidence plus a personal town read from us, Sonic is like to be scum, in our opinion.

this is stupid

are you not going to listen to mastina that frogger is scum? i dont know how else to help you. frogger is sitting there bullshitting "you can't lynch me if you have no case!!" which is a typical scum reaction to being caught but town is too dumb




i can compromise on fuzzy but theres 5 votes on frogger 0 on fuzzy, i'm taking the frog


i can also remove farside. shes remarkably useless and bad here. that vote on me? super bad

And there is the omgus from sonic since I've been calling him scum since day 2.

then why did you make this post? are you trying to call me scum with it? are you trying to misrep or discredit me? what?

[Sonic X]

theres nothing wrong with using others cases. why must i make my own? waste time.

and i have already made my own, just so you know. so dont bs me

The same bs that had nothing new.

that doesnt diminish the validity of the earlier cases? you make it sound like because i am pointing you to mastin's guide on "why is frogger scum" my hands make her guide dirty and it is suddenly wrong

such bs

[Sonic X]

RR, are you rational here. how many conftown you know are scumreading frogger? at least 2. AT LEAST 2. Beer and mastina

how many conftown you know are scumreading me? yourself? you aren't even sure yourself. how can you count that.

so are you going to ignore their views because of your own "reads" that arent even based in fact? do you think you are a beter scumhunter than these people combined on an agreed opinion?


its so fucking difficult to lynch scum and you losers are telling me to "look at more scumreads"? screw off.

Being conftown doesn't make you more likely to be right. The reasons mastin and you have presented for scumreading fro99er are, as I've said thrice before I believe, shit. I don't listen to shit logic. I don't follow the lead of people holding to shitty positions on a topic. As I said before, if you want me to believe fro99er is scum, pretend you never played with him before, and this is the first game of mafia either of you have ever played. Show me how he's scum, using just his play in this game, and no other resources. Do that in a logical, comprehensive fashion, and I will gladly hammer the shit out of him.

-Cerb

being scum makes you more likely to be wrong (because you want to mislead town into lynching town)

therefore being conftown makes you more likely to be right

oh and cool niccage has a guilty now CAN YOU HAMMER THE FROG INTO PASTE

[Sonic X]

well being conftown does not make you more liekly to be right

but it means that you have town's interests at heart so you should

take them more seriously than a random person's

and not dismiss them as "oh it *looks*bad therefore frogger is town"

[Sonic X]

haaaaaaaaahahahahahahahha all you shitheds

[Sonic X]

yea frogger how about you explain how you visited someone if you're a passive votethief and a passive ascetic

[Sonic X]

also grapes i am allying with you OK?

can i still remain in the hgood with mastin/



hmm i ahve to go now

[Sonic X]

First post!!!

VOTE: fuzzy

Die!!

[Sonic X]

I TOLD YOU SO BUSTERS

[Sonic X]

I figured that everyone was pretty much going to stay with their partner. This seemed like a safe assumption

No I am only a 1x shot FruitVendor. I get it back on day 4 if I used it, If I don't use it nothing happens. I can only have 1 slice of pizza at a time

Ok, does anyone else claim a shittier PR than this guy? otherwise I'm taking this as bullshit crafted by his scumbuddies

[Sonic X]

I TOLD YOU SO BUSTERS

Let's boom. You were right. Enjoy your "boom" apology.

Gotcha. Let's boom

[Sonic X]

This is bullshit. I called for people with night actions to target me, especially if you have a night action that is weak or useless. Why didn't you give the fruit vendor to me?

I think you gave it to mastin to buddy her... Or are scum who is giving out poison pizza. There's is no reason for you to have 1) such a bad and probably fake PR and 2) give it to mastin

[Sonic X]

fuzzy is scum for not using his very useless PR on me!!!!!!!

[Sonic X]

please use it on me tonight please.

[Sonic X]

even though i can tell you nobody visited me. its for charity

[Sonic X]

can you out your results from last night? do you have a guilty

[Sonic X]

why am i like so low on your list?

why is grapes so low?

also, if you have a night action, please use on me

[Sonic X]

its almost as if i am going to begging-level now


ffs

how do you people work

[Sonic X]

umm okay...

[Sonic X]

VOTE: maxwell

If I don't get a satisfactory answer from fuzzy he is going down.

Sleeping mastin for now

[Sonic X]

I kinda wanted to see her reaction as well. Reaction test. She has keep claiming that she is town and we got no conf so far. Neither has she seemed interested in doing so.or proven in anyways her claim is true. I got frustrated and decided to reaction test her.

I am half and half on Max, Part of me is thinking he is town that defending me and part of me think Scum defending me.I

I wierded out that RR has claimed Steven and did not get killed last night.if I was scum they would be my number 1 target.


Sonic
I dont know what to say ... I am an 1 shot pizza vender I cant change that. My claim is solid. As Mastin has pointed out the real decison is if I am a town vender or a scum vender.

also what motivation would I have sending it to you?? I cant think of any

Nic
I am a 1x motivator. I think thats whats its called

Night is what you want it to be and there no such thing as time.....
Each night you can target an ally and allow them to get thier 1 shot back. I can do this once per game. However like the pizza thing
I get it back during the season finale. Can be dangerous to scum ...since I can revive aPR. Also can be usefull if I accidently use it on scum. I was hoping to get Nic bc he town in my opinion. I am confused how this is connected to the show. I get the puzza thing but I am confused how this is something the cool kids would have. I admit my knowledge of SU mythos is not good

I like to see you happy in the pizza rain.
I can send anyone a slice of pizza. I can do this once than on season than gain it back during season finale.

so why didnt you use the motivator on me??????

didnt i say for people to use night actions on me? in fact you can give me my gladiator back so that i can hit scum again.

i said for people townreading me to use their night actions on me. apparently i am a universal townread but nobody gave me anything at all? this is very bad.

[Sonic X]

why didnt you use the motivator on ricastle so that he can dayvig again even?



you better give us a good reason or else.

[Sonic X]

Fuzzy's claim makes absolutely no fucking sense.

Has max claimed yet?

What PT?

Didn't he get cheated out of an alliance last night or something? Lololol

HYDRA LEAK

[Sonic X]

That kind of means he's scum

[Sonic X]

Scum lost once we managed to mega destroy frogger who is probably the scums best PR(?)

[Sonic X]

That was a very bad post by fuzzy

[Sonic X]

Well she helped me hang frogs and you didn't

[Sonic X]

Has fuzzy answered why he hasn't given me and of his night actions even though I am so ducking obvtown yet?

[Sonic X]

So I want to lynch fuzzy because he didn't give me a present

There was no reason NOT to use it on me

[Sonic X]

There's a thing called bussing Sonic. But I'll put you down as Xtoxm is scum category for now.

Nope. Fuzzy hasn't given a good response for that. He attempted in his claim post.

Ok. Titus doesn't bus. Titus didn't lynch frogs. Titus could be scum.

That makes sense

[Sonic X]

Yeah I am literally begging at this point


Good bye dignity

[Sonic X]

Not sure if insult or crumb

[Sonic X]

VOTE: fuzzy

i see no reason to be cagey about who gets a "fruit vendor"

[Sonic X]

the best move for fuzzy was to return ricaastle or me our dayvigs so that we can eliminate another scum (regardless if ricastle was accurate)

not doing so, looks very suspiciously like a scumclaim

[Sonic X]

Maybe you are right. Maybe I am throwing a fit for not getting my way.

Easy questions: who did you ally with night 2 and night 3?

Hard question: What "reasons" did you have to give pizza to Mastina instead of me?

[Sonic X]

That's a nice article Mastina

Was it in the Academy? I'll go read it now, just for relaxation

Wall post of totally non game related stuff.

Psa: If you didn't read that, then let me warn you: you don't have to

WOW this is really well written

I like it

That's why I read it. I saw a nice recent revision date.

Yes you should.

An outdated article turns me off immediately, unless specifically pointed to by a respected expert.

[Sonic X]

Frogger died n3, so how did you target him n3?

ok that is a reasonable explanation

[Sonic X]

i'll check back with you again about that

[Sonic X]

So should I use my shot now on maxwell and force fuzzy to give me a refill? Or should we just remove fuzzy now?


Nic age should watch me in case fuzzy tries any funny business

Huh. That's confusing

Oh wait, o just got it. That means I only get the refill the following day -__-

I'm not really fond of allying with scum though. Can't somebody else do the babysitting ?

[Sonic X]

That would be the timeline, yes. And, what if fuzzy isn't scum Sonic?
-Cerb

I still don't want to babysit

[Sonic X]

I'll go with vezok

[Sonic X]

im going to ally with vezok. someone else can go babysit fuzzy.

[Sonic X]

Ugh fine then I'll baby sit fuzzy

VOTE: maxwell

[Sonic X]

i like how conftown are saying both wagons are on scum, then dodgy looking people defend both wagons as "both wagons are on town"

lol

[Sonic X]

that said, i am really bored. i have an itchy trigger finger so hurry up. what are we waiting for?

[Sonic X]

do you know something we don't?

[Sonic X]

boom headshot.

scum have been destroyed.

[Sonic X]

there's still at least two more

I will destroy one today.

Any preferences? I already have one in mind by default but if there is overwhelming consensus I'll do that instead

[Sonic X]

That's funny because hermit is not a good NK target

[Sonic X]

Let's see if anyone has a guilty first.

Someone make a timer for 24h. Titus?

[Sonic X]

Make the timer for nuke

[Sonic X]

Let's see what Mastina has to say. We've been working pretty well ^^

[Sonic X]

Ok.

48h then.

[Sonic X]

That's still kinda long but mmmm all right i guess that okaaaay

[Sonic X]

Come on set it so I can blow up the place

[Sonic X]

Shit I'll have class in 2 days

[Sonic X]

(expired on 2015-08-21 00:00:00)

The prophecy mentions that a supreme being will arrive in the thread at around this time.

[Sonic X]

Oh and fuzzy is likely to be town.

Not "conf".

I confirm that I have receive fuzzy' pizza and it has no vile or hidden scum properties, just fresh delicious pizza. It's not poisoned.

[Sonic X]

Mastina can eat her pizza in peace now.

[Sonic X]

She's not technically conftown but she killed two scum just like me so

[Sonic X]

RR can always move the time up Sonic.

Personally after RR's wrongness about frogger and maxwell, despite his conftown status he is not the boss of me.

[Sonic X]

fuzzy stop posting dumb stuff

[Sonic X]

Reasonably rational is not reasonably rational.

[Sonic X]

I am pretty sure a fake day kill did not count as intent for a gladiate, cerb

[Sonic X]

And I can be sure because I told Varsoon that was not a gladiate so don't activate it even if hes not supposed to anyway

[Sonic X]

And I can be sure because I told Varsoon that was not a gladiate so don't activate it even if hes not supposed to anyway

Cool, so what are the exact conditions under which your gladiate is activated...because you know, it's the only one we've seen used that seems to have this kind of wiggle room.

Ricastles vig used an exact quote
TW's two role cops used an exact quote
My conftowning said to post the name of the ability in bold in the thread in order to activate it.

-Cerb

All the aforementioned roles involve publicly outing a normally secret role. Rolecop and dayvigs and ICs normally have to send a pm to the mod.

The rationale of making weird phrases like that to activate in thread just means that Varsoon wants your roles to be public.

My role is different in the fact that it's a 1v1 gladiator. By nature Varsoon did not set a fixed restriction, I just made it clear to him that my intent would be a bolded "seven chaos emeralds" + an individual PM.

So my call phrase is a sonic reference. Sucks to be you.

[Sonic X]

ayo

vc

DAMN YOUR FLAVORED NONSENSE. Seriously, I like was refreshing compulsively to see what Sonic was gonna say to respond and saw the last post author change from my name to yours and clicked into the thread for no reason out of reflex!

-Cerb

Oh, also, Sonic, Drixx would like me to make it clear that HE was suspicious of Maxwell, even if I wasn't. He seems to feel that if you're scum you're working to undermine any future reads or pushes we might make by pointing to the situations with fro99er and Maxwell.

Dude you have no logical flow. I am conftown like 95%. You're 100%, but your track record seems like you're working for scum.

You should explain how "oh, I didn't think sonic gladiate uses a catchphrase" into "oh, sonic must be scum and he orchestrated all that and bussed frogger and maxwell and is acting all towny but he is scum and he is trying to undermine us Even with facts that we suck this game"

[Sonic X]

What question?

[Sonic X]

Nail scum with me.

[Sonic X]

I think all of hermits post have been shit today. Have you given up?


Niccage, important: do you still get to watch people?

[Sonic X]

wait for it.

[Sonic X]

Spoiler: pick up quotes

No.

Partially to grapes. I'm not saying a word to fuzzy yet, except who I am planning to gladiate soon.

Yesterday alliance.

K.

TW: Why would town have two role cops?

-Cerb

Pedit: if you gladiate anyone before I say so(say, within 48h I'll probably give the word), I will probably vote you on principle.

And, when did you tell grapes?

I'm gladiating at the 48h mark. Everyone has checked in, and nic cage has no guilties, so it's a go.

You can give the word, but I have made it a very public affair. You snooze you lose.


You should also suggest gladiate targets but those are "suggestions", I'll take them into consideration but no guarantee I'll sheep you.

<3

Is RR and Far in a hood?

"Oh, Steven. Humans just lead short, boring, insignificant lives, so they make up stories to feel like they're a part of something bigger. They want to blame all the world's problems on some single enemy they can fight, instead of a complex network of interrelated forces beyond anyone's control."

-Pearl,

Keep Beach City Weird

VOTECOUNT 4.06: LYNCH

MaxwellPuckett (

LYNCH

):

grapes, Xtoxm, NicCage, farside22, Sonic X, Vezokpiraka, Vezokpiraka

thefuzzylogic99 (2):

St Constantine the Hermit, Trench Warfare

CooLDoG (1):

MaxwellPuckett

mastin2 (1):

Thefuzzylogic99

Vezokpiraka (1):

grapes

Not Voting (4):

vezokpiraka, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, Mastin2

With 13 Alive, it took 7 to Lynch.

But you weren't voting him at the end of the day. I mean, if anyone was responsible for maxwell lynch, it wasn't you..or sonic. :p

-Cerb

Did you just say that I was not responsible for the maxwell lynch? Are you daft? Look at your own vote.

Wait for me to get to a computer. 8 hours.

Oh. I forgot that you were pushing maxwell.

My bad.

Actually not my bad. My quote was 100% true. I did not say you did not push maxwell, I just asked you to look at where my vote was and where yours was. Somehow you accuse me of not pushing maxwell.

You should apologize.

You got that right.

Well we have to credit the maxwell push to Mastina. I'm surprised scum didn't kill her

Well said

That explains the nasty posts you make earlier.

You are forgiven.

Acknowledge that I'm a special snowflake y/n?

[Sonic X]

OK I read RR's case. The part where he comes up with TW being scum is "valid" as in if she did slip that info, she's confscum. The part where he ends up with me being probscum is not. also, titus preaches that "valid" and "sound" gibberish. if she's scum, she'll be difficult to out argue (i dunno, you may enjoy it though). I will execute her if I am convinced without doubt of her guilt, but remember that the net loss if she flips

town

is pretty heavy.

With regards to the evidence themselves, if I tilt my head funny,

yes I can see it from your perspective

. But remember I said this earlier

Nah I'm only a stump for this day phase.

Constantines post have looked bad to me for awhile, though grapes brought up a good point about him being in both Frogger and maxwells lynch pools. I remember maxwell going after bins for awhile too. However, I can't remember who brought it up before, but someone pointed out that bins really put the brakes on the raging bull wagon D1, and was town reading Frogger for pretty poor reasons, while preferring a beer lynch for information. I wouldn't count him out.

I'm wondering what characters would share a pt with steven. I really think a mass flavor claim would be helpful.

Also I agree that it's strange that Sonic's role is the only one that doesn't require a specific phrase to activate an ability, though it's possible that there are no phrases associated with his character.

Another thing I want to mention is that I still think it's odd that TW is the only gem without specific alliance and fusion abilities.

They're claiming that could have been intended to protect Frogger from my setup spec.

Mass Flavor claim pretty please

Where did they claim that? They also claimed in our pt that their role cop was tied to alliances/fusions but they just didn't notice at first.

Also, to everyone: What would be your first assumption if someone displayed knowledge of an aspect of another players role which they had no way of knowing? There is no combination of alliance meetings by which said knowledge could have reached the player, and the information has absolutely not been shared in this thread.

-Cerb

That is a serious crime. I would se if the evidence is explicitly damning or could it be ambiguous misreading. If it is confirmed scum then I will destroy the scumbag.

I noticed those posts that you quoted when you posted them, and yes I found those statements redundant. Like, "gives me back my refilled ability" on first thought could have meant "give me back my gladiate", but she already mentioned that "my gladiate is full".

I think that your evidence is not explicitly damning enough, but for discussion, let's say it is true.

Your case has a really huge hole when it comes to describing TW scum = me scum. Why must be

the rolecop

who rolecopped me then? Why must the set be [mastin, xtoxm, sonic] when another player of her scumteam (she's not the last member of the scumteam, btw) could have gotten the info? remember, I auto scan anybody who uses an action on me. Rolecops *should not* be able to get past me undetected. Once again I ask you if you received the message. Do you even want me to out that? Or do you want me to be discreet. Thanks for outing me btw. Now scum won't target me, but its not like they did throughout this game anyway.

You are facing

n > 1 unknowns, where n = number of remaining scum members, who might have received the information on TW's behalf.

. I ask you, how can you justify your scumread on me?

I'm not even defending myself yet. Just poking your case here. It is obvious to everybody that I can be considered confirmed town by play.

[Sonic X]

mastina, talk to me. RR has hard defended frogger and wasn't going superman on maxwell when it needed to, and now he is scumreading me. these ICs >_>

[Sonic X]

also

VOTE: titus

you have 24 hours.

I am judge.

RR is prosecutor

go

[Sonic X]

Again, tell me HOW someone else would have that knowledge. You told me you didn't tell anyone else., except a hint of I'm not sure what exactly to grapes. Don't present the hypothetical like I'm unaware of the possibility and didn't specifically ask you to address it already. Tell me how. Give me the method by which TW gained your role information without involving you, mastin, or xtoxm, AND without triggering your ability.

i was in an alliance with mastina and grapes. mastina agrees that you're wrong, so number one, get off your fucking high horse.

next, this discussion is still hypothetical. the premises are not necessarily true. when TW said "refilled ability", i read it as my gladiate the first time. The "refill in confirmed town"? Well, the refill is indeed going to confirmed town, I read that

the time Titus made the post

. she did not say "refiller ability", only "refill". I've earlier told you my policy about ambiguous wording, before you came up with that, so don't you

dare fucking say that I'm changing my stances here

. you know what my ability does, and you could have over analyzed and seen something that was not there. This is irrelevant to whether TW is scum or not; You poked me by calling me scum, and you wanted people to poke holes in your case, so here I am. "oh, you're scum, you're defending titus scum"? Well, fine, then listen to mastin. "oh, mastin's opinion doesn't matter lololol" well then fuck you too.
---

Well, because you look apparently serious about this fiasco, then I must reveal evidence that would clear my name.

Firstly, evidence related to this case: Titus gave me a tracker last night, and this is documented here:

Spoiler:

What bolded quotes?? If you are telling the truth than fine but I dont see any bolded quotes.i dont know if I am just being the usual dense self or you are lying.
how about this. Just the post number where you claimed RC.

Sonicc
I had no reason to want to use it on you. I said this like 20 times already.

Sonic is obvtown and begging for people to visit him, and you had no reason?

There's a thing called bussing Sonic. But I'll put you down as Xtoxm is scum category for now.

Nope. Fuzzy hasn't given a good response for that. He attempted in his claim post.

Ok. Titus doesn't bus. Titus didn't lynch frogs. Titus could be scum.

That makes sense

Take your medicine tonight.

Not sure if insult or crumb

Which one is reasonably rational?

This invention action was not detected by my ability.

I received the track, but my ability did not ping a "you received the ability to give someone a tracker invention"! This suggests that TW has access to at least 1 ability that can bypass my watch/copy. However, that is null.

Firstly, your question:

Give me the method by which TW gained your role information without involving you, mastin, or xtoxm, AND without triggering your ability.

1) Her rolecop, like her Inventor, bypasses my ability. A ninja has not flipped yet, but we have a confirmed watcher + tracker.
2) Informed Townie/Scum that knows the roles of Others (this explains the crumb that mastina found when she encouraged people to visit me, though that could be attributed to our close rapport)
3) A game specific ability that may or may not explicitly bypass my ability. Neighborhood Invader (Like Hermit, but Invisible.) Oracle. Dreaming God. No fucking clue.
4) Scum could possibly have immunity to my self-watch and this was not being made known to me (Assumption that TW is scum)
5) She guessed it because she knows me too well.
---

The next piece of evidence that should clear my name is information that only Farside is privy to. Get it from her if you haven't already. I don't want to out nice people because that is rude and dumb.

All said, your assertion that I am partnered with TW is dumb. You implictly assert that I am partnered with dead scum Frogger and Maxwell, which is absolutely ridiculous, and I suppose that you did not consider that.

In fact, thinking that I am partnered with anybody... is bad. Paranoia is less bad, but stop being a dick about it. Thanks.

[Sonic X]

All you're doing is defending yourself and distancing from TW, after a day full of interactions in which you each stepped in when the other was being discussed/questioned. It's hilarious that you're even attempting to disguise your defense as anything else.

Also, how interesting. In the evidence posted above, I clearly expressed doubt about TW. Somehow you overlooked that.

I want you to drop the point that I am scum. Then we can have a productive discussion and/or win. Thanks.

[Sonic X]

I started to test TW a little bit, and you stepped in to defend her.

did i?

The most simple explanation for you not receiving Titus' power to invent is really simple; your scum partners don't get to give you their abilities. That seems like a reasonable restriction to build into a role like yours, and also explains you openly inviting town powers your way. It's much more believable that your scum buddies cannot give you their abilities

Sorry dude. I don't have scum partners.

You're working from the conclusion that I am scum to come up with reasons for how TW is scum with me. The theory should suit the evidence, not the evidence suit the theory. You can come up with 1001 reasons for why I am scum but most would be weak or invalid. Some less than others.

I can also come up with 1001 reasons why I am town. It seems like you don't listen to opposing viewpoints so never mind.

you are left with only you as the possible source of her knowing.

This is where your logic falls down bro.

you cannot make this claim because you do not know all the information in the game. simple as that.

anyway i am town. stop yelling at me. don't think you are IC means you can boss everyone around.

[Sonic X]

if you are talking about me asking titus to make the timer for me... lol.

she was active, i was on my phone, and she is using timers when she is modding the other game. you are clearly confbiasing here.

[Sonic X]

Here's you responding to a post aimed a TW, who was voting fuzzy (and fuzzy seems to have been today's designated mislynch by the scum team if what went on before we dropped our case into the thread is any indication). You also throwing some shade on us when we had our vote withheld specifically because Cerberus and Titus had some things to talk about in real time, but Vezok ended the day with his double vote.

YOU CALLED ME SCUM YOU ASSHOLE

[Sonic X]

But you weren't voting him at the end of the day. I mean, if anyone was responsible for maxwell lynch, it wasn't you..

or sonic. :p

DID YOU THINK THIS WAS FUNNY.

YOU CALL THIS DEFENDING TITUS?

YOU GO HOME RIGHT NOW.

I AM ALWAYS DEFENDING MYSELF. SCREW. OFF.

[Sonic X]

Wait for me to get to a computer. 8 hours.

THIS WAS ME WRITING A LONG LETTER TO FARSIDE YOU SHIT

AND YOU CALL THIS STALLING?

IF I WERE SCUM I WOULD HAVE GLADIATED SOME RANDOM SHITEHOLE AND CUTTING DISCUSSION INSTEAD OF WAITING 48 HOURS FOR WHAT?

[Sonic X]

oh. cool.

argue i am 3rd party now. go on. be a SMITE master and mislynch me.

your attacks are not even logical in the slightest. stop poking me for circumstantial hypothetical reasons when me and mastin wanted you to shut the literal fuck up during the frogger lynch. okay? okay.

not okay?

[Sonic X]

But you weren't voting him at the end of the day. I mean, if anyone was responsible for maxwell lynch, it wasn't you..

or sonic. :p

Did you just say that I was not responsible for the maxwell lynch? Are you daft? Look at your own vote.

read carefully. in what way is this a titus defense?

[Sonic X]

uh, no, claiming it was a reaction test later doesnt work.

you have yet to explain how it was a "titus defense".

now you're saying its a me defense. that's good, we are on the same page.

please explain your logic flow.

[Sonic X]

First you asked us if we were in an alliance with farside, then asked us to wait 8 hours. I like how you are devolving into like frothing at the mouth and slinging profanity. It's kind of amusing.

Don't tell me about facts. You were supposed to explain how it was "stalling". And for what purpose? I said that the purpose was to write a long message to farside which she should have sent you and immediately cleared me. Unless she's an unreliable messenger (which could be the case, I for one don't know what goes on in your PT), and not only that, that came before your "case", you should explain why it is stalling.

I was on a phone and I needed to get to a computer to write it in depth. It's a one shot ability that I don't want to waste with a "hi im sonic nice to meet you".

If you see scum motivation in this, lol.

[Sonic X]

Spoiler: frogger is town and i am too lazy to find all

Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo


I'm other

Interesting. Okay, so there are more possible scum in the game than just frogger. Who else is at the top of your list, if frogger isn't an option for today?

-Cerb

Hey Sonic, is your desire to be targeted by things from those who townread you still true, or do you no longer wish to be targeted? Also, I don't think either you or Frogger are scum. Also, are you a gem or other, I asked you this before, and you haven't been around to answer. Kinda curious what the light prism is classified as in this game.

-Cerb

Sonic's Gladiate attempt on Frogger. Sorry. Mixed up some words in there.

-Cerb

pedit: I like having a little wiggle room so I can salvage my ego if I'm wrong.

Skybird: Sorry about that, minor crisis arose at work and my day wasn't as free as I expected it to be. In regards to CoolDog, I remember in conversation Drixx and I had about his slot Drixx and I were both feeling scum vibes from him, and when I went to the thread to read his posts then I said I felt like it was because he was just "taking the opportunity to snipe at sonic, and just parroting the thoughts others had." However...upon skimming his iso, it isn't immediately apparent whose thoughts I thought he was parroting/what led me to that conclusion. I need to look at things in context to see what Me of several days ago saw about him and why i thought his behavior was scummy.

Mastin, Sonic: No, we are not lynching Frogger today. Frogger v Sonic screams TvT, how do you not see that? I'm making an assumption here, but if sonic wasn't lying about his gladiate increasing the time we had before lynch, his gladiate attempt itself, both today and yesterday, isn't scummy, and without that I just don't see scum in him. Frogger there isn't even anything there to think it scummy, beyond the lurking D1 while he was hydraing, which has been explained by Frogger to my satisfaction at least.

-Cerb

Fro99er: Hmm. I'll be honest, in all the noise sonic was making about you being scum, I kinda missed your opinion on sonics slot. Do you think he's scum?

Oh, and CoolDog: you're right, bad scum can win games too, that's true. It's generally safer, though, to assume your enemies are competent, so you aren't surprised by something clever and effective. Something stupid and effective is generally less threatening than clever and effective...since clever and effective will get them to endgame with a handpicked set of players, and stupid and effective will let them skate until end game, at which point their terrible play gets them lynched.

-Cerb

Frogger v Sonic screams TvT, how do you not see that?

How do you not see that Frogger isn't town? It's townVscum, SonicVFrogger. And now I get to turn around and flip the point in Frogger's defense against him:

you're saying this generic thing about Frogger being town, without backing up why.

(The irony!)

Skybird: Sorry about that, minor crisis arose at work and my day wasn't as free as I expected it to be. In regards to CoolDog, I remember in conversation Drixx and I had about his slot Drixx and I were both feeling scum vibes from him, and when I went to the thread to read his posts then I said I felt like it was because he was just "taking the opportunity to snipe at sonic, and just parroting the thoughts others had." However...upon skimming his iso, it isn't immediately apparent whose thoughts I thought he was parroting/what led me to that conclusion. I need to look at things in context to see what Me of several days ago saw about him and why i thought his behavior was scummy.

Mastin, Sonic: No, we are not lynching Frogger today. Frogger v Sonic screams TvT, how do you not see that? I'm making an assumption here, but if sonic wasn't lying about his gladiate increasing the time we had before lynch, his gladiate attempt itself, both today and yesterday, isn't scummy, and without that I just don't see scum in him.

Frogger there isn't even anything there to think it scummy, beyond the lurking D1 while he was hydraing, which has been explained by Frogger to my satisfaction at least.

-Cerb

Which, I will freely admit, isn't an exhaustive case for town as I displayed for say, Ricastle and Constantine, but, Fro99er also hasn't *done* anything. It is, however, more than just the "nothing" you're pretending I said by taking my quote out of context. Is Frogger good at this game? I think the consensus is yes, Frogger is at the least competent, Would scum ascetic frogger not tell town he was ascetic, so that way he gets to be a PL for not sharing that information earlier in the game? no, i don't think he would. I just don't see scum motivation or thoughts in his play. I don't see inconsistency, or bad logic, or anything I can point to as a reason to think his slot is scum.

-Cerb

Hey mastin, any reads beyond frogger before the night sets in? While you're possibly actively on the site doing stuff?

-Cerb

VOTE: Trench Warfare

They just claimed the Lighthouse Gem Monster in our alliance. Let's go.

We have to lynch frogger today my man

That's also likely a bad idea. The cases are all terrible. Give me a reason to lynch frogger that isn't absolute shit and I'll think about it.

-Cerb

[Sonic X]

You jumped into a conversation between Ceberus and Titus in order to react to that little "or Sonic" bit, and then followed that up by asking if we were in an alliance with farside, and then followed that up with a request to stall for 8 hours. And all of that was before there was an actual case on the table. That was just a little poking and prodding to see how you two would react.

well you mentioned my name. why wouldnt i hop in? lol.

[Sonic X]

and all of that was before there was an actual case on the table. that means that it is more authentic right.

once again you can't find meaning in those actions because they are

town actions

and you are failing to explain what is scummy about them.

just repeating the same thing over and over again. yes we get it. i jumped into a conversation because you mentioned my name, then when farside gave me a message i was on my phone so i wanted to wait 8 hours to go home and write a reply on my computer. so scummy

[Sonic X]

Spoiler: frogger is town and i am too lazy to find all

Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo


I'm other

Interesting. Okay, so there are more possible scum in the game than just frogger. Who else is at the top of your list, if frogger isn't an option for today?

-Cerb

Hey Sonic, is your desire to be targeted by things from those who townread you still true, or do you no longer wish to be targeted? Also, I don't think either you or Frogger are scum. Also, are you a gem or other, I asked you this before, and you haven't been around to answer. Kinda curious what the light prism is classified as in this game.

-Cerb

Sonic's Gladiate attempt on Frogger. Sorry. Mixed up some words in there.

-Cerb

pedit: I like having a little wiggle room so I can salvage my ego if I'm wrong.

Skybird: Sorry about that, minor crisis arose at work and my day wasn't as free as I expected it to be. In regards to CoolDog, I remember in conversation Drixx and I had about his slot Drixx and I were both feeling scum vibes from him, and when I went to the thread to read his posts then I said I felt like it was because he was just "taking the opportunity to snipe at sonic, and just parroting the thoughts others had." However...upon skimming his iso, it isn't immediately apparent whose thoughts I thought he was parroting/what led me to that conclusion. I need to look at things in context to see what Me of several days ago saw about him and why i thought his behavior was scummy.

Mastin, Sonic: No, we are not lynching Frogger today. Frogger v Sonic screams TvT, how do you not see that? I'm making an assumption here, but if sonic wasn't lying about his gladiate increasing the time we had before lynch, his gladiate attempt itself, both today and yesterday, isn't scummy, and without that I just don't see scum in him. Frogger there isn't even anything there to think it scummy, beyond the lurking D1 while he was hydraing, which has been explained by Frogger to my satisfaction at least.

-Cerb

Fro99er: Hmm. I'll be honest, in all the noise sonic was making about you being scum, I kinda missed your opinion on sonics slot. Do you think he's scum?

Oh, and CoolDog: you're right, bad scum can win games too, that's true. It's generally safer, though, to assume your enemies are competent, so you aren't surprised by something clever and effective. Something stupid and effective is generally less threatening than clever and effective...since clever and effective will get them to endgame with a handpicked set of players, and stupid and effective will let them skate until end game, at which point their terrible play gets them lynched.

-Cerb

Frogger v Sonic screams TvT, how do you not see that?

How do you not see that Frogger isn't town? It's townVscum, SonicVFrogger. And now I get to turn around and flip the point in Frogger's defense against him:

you're saying this generic thing about Frogger being town, without backing up why.

(The irony!)

Skybird: Sorry about that, minor crisis arose at work and my day wasn't as free as I expected it to be. In regards to CoolDog, I remember in conversation Drixx and I had about his slot Drixx and I were both feeling scum vibes from him, and when I went to the thread to read his posts then I said I felt like it was because he was just "taking the opportunity to snipe at sonic, and just parroting the thoughts others had." However...upon skimming his iso, it isn't immediately apparent whose thoughts I thought he was parroting/what led me to that conclusion. I need to look at things in context to see what Me of several days ago saw about him and why i thought his behavior was scummy.

Mastin, Sonic: No, we are not lynching Frogger today. Frogger v Sonic screams TvT, how do you not see that? I'm making an assumption here, but if sonic wasn't lying about his gladiate increasing the time we had before lynch, his gladiate attempt itself, both today and yesterday, isn't scummy, and without that I just don't see scum in him.

Frogger there isn't even anything there to think it scummy, beyond the lurking D1 while he was hydraing, which has been explained by Frogger to my satisfaction at least.

-Cerb

Which, I will freely admit, isn't an exhaustive case for town as I displayed for say, Ricastle and Constantine, but, Fro99er also hasn't *done* anything. It is, however, more than just the "nothing" you're pretending I said by taking my quote out of context. Is Frogger good at this game? I think the consensus is yes, Frogger is at the least competent, Would scum ascetic frogger not tell town he was ascetic, so that way he gets to be a PL for not sharing that information earlier in the game? no, i don't think he would. I just don't see scum motivation or thoughts in his play. I don't see inconsistency, or bad logic, or anything I can point to as a reason to think his slot is scum.

-Cerb

Hey mastin, any reads beyond frogger before the night sets in? While you're possibly actively on the site doing stuff?

-Cerb

VOTE: Trench Warfare

They just claimed the Lighthouse Gem Monster in our alliance. Let's go.

We have to lynch frogger today my man

That's also likely a bad idea. The cases are all terrible. Give me a reason to lynch frogger that isn't absolute shit and I'll think about it.

-Cerb

This is a continuation of the discrediting our future reads based on past actions which I accused you of earlier today.

-Cerb

you're calling me scum. of course your reads are shit

im not the only person who thinks so. go reflect.

[Sonic X]

let's see... at the start of the day you were calling me scum because... oh, i have a different activation phase from the others.

now you are calling me scum, because, oh, titus says something ambiguous that may or may not be scum about me so i must be scum with her.


this is obviously a gut scumread on me that you are trying to articulate into words but cant because it does not actually pass logic test. when a counterpoint or counter example presents itself you dismiss and ignore it.

that is the reason why your premise is "sonic is scum therefore x,y,z are scummy" instead of "x,y,and z are scummy therefore sonic is scum".



the reason for your gut scumread on me is simply because you don't play with me before. farside and mastina and a couple of friends know my style and this is obviously my town style. stand down.

[Sonic X]

thanks, wisdom

[Sonic X]

you're finding me scummy because i naturally seem scummy to players who don't have experience with me.

in all my friends first games with me they were scumreading me like crazy. i have to deal with this shit, sometimes i get mislynched, sometimes i don't.

look. i am not scum. i'm going to be more patient with you, but after doing this exercise more than 10 times this will result in bad thread health and wall stuff that nobody reads and they will conclude that its TvT.

if you want to go this road i cant stop you. nobody can. *shrug*

[Sonic X]

then followed that up with a request to stall for 8 hours.

also, this is the best evidence you call stalling? no man.

if you want to hit hard. you should say that me not gladiating TW immediately is stalling. not about i am on a phone at school and received farside nice message so i had to go home and reply with Lots of Love and Hugs and Kisses.

see. that proves that your logic is weak. even i can come with better reasons, and i know am town. that is how I know that your scumread on me is just a gut scumread that is because of my playstyle.


now, let me explain this to you like a 5 year old. i am not gladiating titus yet, because it has been less than 24 hours from when you posted your case, and if we're wrong, we lose something heavy. okay?

[Sonic X]

Firstly, it's still questionable why

every other example

of a triggered ability requires a specific phrase taken from the television show, but you, and you alone, get to make up your own flavor and do it differently. That doesn't make sense, but that alone isn't evidence of anything, since it's possible Varsoon might make a different mechanic for some reason known only to him. If so, it's problematic and bad game design, but whatever.

and we all couldn't see how that led to me being scum. that shows that your logic breaks down. the fact that you tried to argue this in the first place...

There was nothing at all ambiguous about what Titus said. She clearly referred to you as "Confirmed town" and she clearly said that you would gain the refiller ability, and that you would also have your gladiate refilled. I can tell you guys must have daychat because before you just ignored this and now you're trying to say it's ambiguous when it's not.

So let me get this straight

Maxwell lynch today
Fuzzy + Sonic neighorize tonight
Sonic gladiates any scum suspect but Fuzzy after we decide who he gladiates tomorrow
Fuzzy refills Sonic, and gives him

refilled ability

?

Refilled ability, not

refiller

ability. Oh gosh. There is a big difference between "refiller ability" and a "refilled ability". one is a scumslip, one is a gerund noun. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. I saw no problem with this because

Fuzzy refills Sonic and gives him back his refilled ability

what the LITERAL FUCK. THAT IS A DEPENDENT CLAUSE OF TIME, NOT OF ADDITION!


The next thing is about I stated my stance on ambiguous scumslips

before you written your case.

It's not like I came up and said "surprise! that's ambiguous! i think TW is town!". No. I am poking the hole in your case (which conveniently calls me scum, so of course I'd pay attention to it), according to my policy/law laid out earlier before

it happened.

.

You cannot explain how Titus knew your role. Give a reasonable explanation for how Titus knew your role and thus knew having farside visit you would give you farside's ability as well as let farside refill your gladiate. A reasonable explanation is one that does not rely upon some wildly unlikely heretofore unknown role or mechanic to be the deus ex machina.

Of course I cannot explain how Titus knew my role! I am NOT TITUS!!!

I CANNOT EXPLAIN WHAT I DON'T KNOW OR I DON'T UNDERSTAND. KAPEESH? KAPEESH.

ufhghhhhhhhhhhh

Only three people could have told her.

this is still wrong, because its based on assumptions.

[Sonic X]

I'm gut townreading you, but it seems logically unlikely for that to be the case, except in x situations which will be determined by TW's flip.

this is clearly a lie.

people always gut scumread me and therefore come up with "logical walls" to make them not sound like idiots after i flip town

[Sonic X]

You believe others are scum. Who and why?

this confirms that you haven't read farside's message.

i sent a long list of my reads and important information for farside to know and to share with you. all my reasoning is in that piece posted 24 hours ago... before your "case"

[Sonic X]

Oh, and hey, look Drixx, Sonic is making the semantics argument that we expected TW to make for them, even though it's clearly terribly redundant for them to be referring to that twice, AND considering TW ALREADY ADMITTED to knowing what his power is. Like, Sonic, you do realize TW said they knew your power, and essentially admitted those posts showing they knew your power were correct, they were only focusing on obfuscating the SOURCE of their information, right?

well, then obviously i am town then.

[Sonic X]

pedit: farside didn't share all of that with me. Only a bit about fuzzy's abilities and your intended gladiate target.

THAT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

[Sonic X]

Why do scum kill a watcher/double-voter over a cop?

Well one reason could be that they did it to kill two near confirmed townies who will never get lynched instead of a slot which has had some suspicion on it. Also I still had a watch to use, while TW is out of shots.

...I didn't realize they claimed xshot. Even then at least if I'm scum I kill it anyway because taking xshot claims at face value is naive and can bite you in the ass. It's almost a cliche thing to do these days because cops obviously don't want to get killed and in TW's case probably wanted an excuse to be alive.

And yes they've been scummy as fuck for a while now but you normally don't lynch cops for a few days and try to get a couple clears or w/e. So even that's kinda meh.

Trench claiming to somehow know sonic's

exact

role based on a crumb is pretty stretchy. Like, believable I guess if them and sonic are like telepathic or soul sisters or something.

The buddy I could make a case for either X or sonic honestly. But we've got enough wiggle room to purge all three so not too worried about it.

Sonic if you are scum bro, like, you had me fooled.

But like, you're a gladiator presumably and were the ultimate decider of our lynch today, so why until you get called out have you been all ghosty and vagueish. And then proceed to spend all your energy getting into a semantics debacle with conftown?

Reminds me of your hash out with beer honestly.

I was not actually ghostly and vagueish. But that was because I was going to gladiate a certain person (make a guess) and I think everyone was waiting for me. I wanted to wait 24h so if anyone have a confirmed guilty I can change my target. Now RR has a half guilty so I am waiting to see how this hash out. Unfortunately he is calling me scum in the same post so ._.

Beer was scum reading me initially and town reading frogger ( I think) then later he changed it to scum reading frogger and townreading me. He got it right at the end

[Sonic X]

Oh and we are soul sisters. Just in case you didn't know.

[Sonic X]

In light of RR's case I am inquiring into sonic further as seen this page
The turnaround on fuzzy after he realized he could milk him for more shots. If you genuinely think somebody is scum then you don't just up and 180 on them because you've suddenly figured out you can use them. That's not a town mindset imo.

Alliance related stuff bro. Top secret wtf1123)! BBQ stuff going on in here

[Sonic X]

That first sentence didn't make sense. Rephrase?

[Sonic X]

Farside ally wit me tonight

[Sonic X]

I need to check a couple of things. But maybe I won't. Lazy but ugh

[Sonic X]

Hmm. I said two things were shared with us, one was your gladiate. The other thing....should be directed at you.

-Cerb

Then I will have to re ISO you later because hard to read the walls like that

[Sonic X]

i am dense as all hell

Do you want me to kill TW or what

[Sonic X]

Also, farside, relax. don't get frustrated. I think I'm just not communicating it very well. :/ sonic, what I'm talking about has nothing to do with YOU except you delivered the knowledge to myself and farside, and it should be USED on you. Not the motivate.

-Cerb

Ohh I totally didn't get it the first time. Ok hold on

[Sonic X]

Hi all, RR wants me to do this fullclaim:

My flavor is the Light Prism. My race is Other. I have two unique abilities, a gladiate and I can passively and reflexively copy active abilities used on me (this ability is henceforth referred to as "copier").

My gladiate is one shot. It only works during the Exposition Phase. Making a post that bolds the phrase "By the 7 chaos emeralds" along with clear intent to gladiate a certain target, may activate my gladiate.

My copier does not work for all abilities. Some abilities cannot be copied. Varsoon did not mention in my role PM which actions exactly cannot be copied.

Currently two abilities have been traced and successfully copied. These are a pizza-giving 1-Shot Fruit Vendor from TheFuzzyLogic99, and a 1-Shot Day Messenger from farside22.

At least one ability has been used on me without triggering my copier. This is known to be Trench Warfare's tracker invention, which I was unable to successfully copy.

----

I am town. Therefore I know that Reasonably Rational's reasoning for me being scum (based on his assertion that there is one scum in [mastin2, Xtoxm, Sonic X], along with the assertion that the set [mastin2, Xtoxm] cannot contain scum) is wrong.

I have used Farside22's Messaging ability today to write a long message (long being defined as having more than 600 words) to farside22. This message was written and delivered to Varsoon before Reasonably Rational posted his case in the Main Game Thread.

In the message, I also told farside22 to call Reasonably Rational a moron. I do not know if she has delivered this piece of information.

I think that Reasonably Rational calling farside22 "scummy" is pretty dumb.

[Sonic X]

I mean if you want to show me a large game with no scum day 1 I'll consider not voting xtoxm.

There is a game like that. It was 2014 Game of the Year, Organic Chemistry. Mastina can tell you all about her happy fun about being lynched as a Doc Day 1 with an all town wagon. A couple of people in this game were there too.

[Sonic X]

Sometimes you can look like scum and help the scum, and still be town. There's evidence of that in this very game.

This is a fact. I agree completely. Ricastle is one of them. The person who made the above statement too.

[Sonic X]

RR. Your "logical deduction" that "mastina and xtoxm" cannot be scum is because there is a strongman that would kill you or something?

Do you think it is more or less likely that Varsoon would create a scum counter to my role?

[Sonic X]

Scum , by rights, should not be able to roleblock me, because if they do that, I can use that against them in all future nights. By rights.


If there is a doc, we can create a doc circle and both be bulletproof. Unless, of course, strongman (psst, another reason why I'm town)


Basically it is in scum's best interests not to interfere with me through night actions, and conversely the more town target me the more I am able to contribute back to society.

[Sonic X]

for flavor reasons.

Who, in your opinion, would be responsible for the janitor?

[Sonic X]

nobody has even tried to contradict

this is a lie

[Sonic X]

im waiting for fuzzy to log on first dude. >_>

[Sonic X]

nobody has even tried to contradict

this is a lie

Show me the post where someone attempted to contradict our logic progression for why Mastin and Xtoxm can't be scum (I already mentioned the edge cases myself). Also ... you do realize it's super scummy to cherry pick someone's post to try and mislead right? If you can't even quote an entire sentence in context, and you're just cherry picking to try and score low blow, you just make yourself look petty and scummy.

If you want to be a petty asshole and make yourself look scummy ... that's your decision.

you called farside scummy, so i don't actually know what that word means from you anymore.

i think most of the players who are in a PT with you atm agree that you are the asshole here.

[Sonic X]

nobody has even tried to contradict

this is a lie

Show me the post where someone attempted to contradict our logic progression for why Mastin and Xtoxm can't be scum (I already mentioned the edge cases myself). Also ... you do realize it's super scummy to cherry pick someone's post to try and mislead right? If you can't even quote an entire sentence in context, and you're just cherry picking to try and score low blow, you just make yourself look petty and scummy.

i think it has been pretty obvious that the only one giving a shit about your cases as me


generally because you're calling me scum

[Sonic X]

don't hammer before fuzzy uses his thing. oi.

the exercise might be one in futility

[Sonic X]

yea titus not posting her VCA is just ugh.


but in another game she lost because she was too busy to do her vca. so it is null.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62114

[Sonic X]

Assuming you actually are a Gladiator (which you should easily be able to prove by Gladiating Titus), there was a counter to your role, wasn't there? All of your town cred rests on you having attempted and expended your gladiate charge against Fro99er. Are you saying that isn't the case?

well, i was talking about my copier.

anyway, i've been obviously town by play. even beer called me town and frogger scum day 1. so... "all my town cred"? hmmm.

[Sonic X]

I can look through Titus' game history and every time she is scum she has a remarkable ability to wriggle out of getting lynched. I don't want that to happen here.

i have the ability to lock her down if she gets out of hand.

stop being a dick to your teammates.

[Sonic X]

I don't cherry pick your posts to try and score cheap points on you though.

yeah, you don't do that. you cherry pick titus's posts to try to score cheap points on me. that's like, better, or something

[Sonic X]

I'm unvoting so fuzzy can do something.
I hope that's okay.
You know being targwtted by scum and giving my view on why I think some is scum is not enough to be just left alone in this freeking game.

its ok mafia mum. i will be with you. we can play together.

[Sonic X]

I did day 1 only and I haven seen all town on a town wagon in a large game.
That is it.
Nothing more.

There has been all town on a town wagon in a large game dearie.

Check this game out? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=54597

[Sonic X]

i am dense as all hell

Do you want me to kill TW or what

Also, farside, relax. don't get frustrated. I think I'm just not communicating it very well. :/ sonic, what I'm talking about has nothing to do with YOU except you delivered the knowledge to myself and farside, and it should be USED on you. Not the motivate.

-Cerb

lol

[Sonic X]

RR, try explaining how frogger was able to jailkeep farside earlier in the game (which got him caught, otherwise you would continue happily stonewalling us )

did he do it randomly? guesswork?

[Sonic X]

i am actually fine with your postulation that mastin and xtoxm are town if titus is scum. she has been throwing shit on them for a while now.

[Sonic X]

we've only see abilities that are one shot or unlimited shot, so ha ha.

yeah i want to know too

[Sonic X]

who are you going to ally with, RR?

[Sonic X]

you guys should sort alliances up. i think this day is a wrap fairly quickly.

if tw flips town... we can blame rr.

[Sonic X]

not like they care

[Sonic X]

If we are wrong, it won't be because we were lazy or stupid or didn't do our due diligence.

if you are wrong, its because you made an assumption that you shouldn't have made, as titus would always tell me.


hope you're doing well drixx. cerb will probably be awesomesauce.


speaking of titus, where is she? has she given up?

[Sonic X]

You win the game when all threats to the Beach City Residents have been defeated and at least one Beach City Resident is alive.

[Sonic X]

cerb do you actually have a guilty on titus though. because it does seem like it

[Sonic X]

never mind thats just me musing. dont answer that

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Do you want to claim scum?

My biggest issue with tw is the fuzzy push. I don't get it, the kid is bleeding town.
On a personal level I'd like to see cooldog lynched.
I think he is lurking scum and during the maxwell wagon be said nothing and votes fuzzy for fuck all reasons

I don't see Fuzzy bleeding town. He's spouted absolute gibberish today but not claiming to have reread the thread, he defended Maxwell yesterday, Maxwell wouldn't vote Fuzzy, he's wanting to fish my claim. Fuzzy is doing calisthenics to support RR's absurd scumread.

You didn't support maxwell.
Scum know who each other are and bussing makes more sense given the situation.
Hermit spouts gibberish too but you aren't pushing him.
Fuzzy is trying to figure the game out.

I want a claim from you.

2nd

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cerb do you actually have a guilty on titus though. because it does seem like it

The only reason you would dare to think this question is because you're wholly unpersuaded by RR. Grow some balls and gladiates scum. Conftown isn't confright.

you dont say

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i mean thanks for paraphrasing whatever i've said the entire day phase

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btw titus

the reason why im scumreading you is this maxim: titus does not bus

i just need to take a look at your stances on frogger and maxwell. both scum who are powerful: maxwell was circumstantial in the fact that he needed to survive n4 to OHKO steven (PS: RR claimed that he would be "conftown" on Day 5. That's LITERALLY a Steven claim)

so...yeah

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considering that RR is sticking with calling me scum, rest assured that i pay less heed to his case against you.

but he's right this time, you really are scummy

[Sonic X]

here is the plan:

Titus posts her VCA.

if titus flips town, sheep her reads. (not rr's!)

if titus flips scum, disregard, sheep mine

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set up pairings folks.

me with farside.

[Sonic X]

Scum know who each other are and bussing makes more sense given the situation.

this is wrong btw. they won't bus considering they lost frogger + maxwell could activate strongman on season finale night... he missed it just that 1 night.

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i love how i was the only who caught jingle in dating game btw.

but if i didnt get a guilty on him i don't know if he might even win the game!

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I also do have a few scum games where I bussed. For instance in a mini Cheetory hosted, I subbed into a boned scumslot and only attacked my buddies. One coasted till the end and won.

yea except there is no reason for you to bus here.


the scenarios in this game clearly show that bussing is not optimal.


*maybe* someone is bussing you right now. i don't know. but the previous two lynches, nah, no bussing

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Right. That goes against your assumption that Titus wrong = Titus scum doesn't it?

Why don't we skip the mislynched TW part and you use your own brain?

I gtg again.

you lynched peregrine + ika.

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I get what your saying sonic about frogger lynch but either fuzzy or max was going to be lynched that day it makes no sense not to push each other at that point for distance.
Titus hydra voted and pushed fuzzy over max and to me that reads more scummy.

i don't understand. are you saying that fuzzy is scum?

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i need to check something. i'm looking at your read of xtoxm. something is not right here, i agree.

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but i need to do my homework first

[Sonic X]

never mond. i will do my homework, my xtoxm reread, and my killing of titus, tomorrow

[Sonic X]

ok i think we can lynch TW now

shes at l-2 i dont think my gladiate is necessary (let's not waste precious resources, especially when the IC doesn't want me to be refilled!)

[Sonic X]

fuzzy will prove it?

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you already used a serious steven thing right?

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its a shame that farside cant write the flavor here

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I win the game when all threats to the Beach City Residents have been defeated and at least one Beach City Resident is alive.