DragonsofSummer wrote:Sir Chris wrote:I don't think the voice matters much right now, it can't really help/hurt is either way so early as we have no idea what to make of it. I would guess scum, though.
I haven't liked any of Gorrad's posts, they seem to really dance around any issue and aren't, how to say, impressive to me.
unvote vote Sir Chris
Why do you feel the voice is any less important than any other player in the game? Why do you think it is scum related?
Also his posts have had zero content and have thrown around suspicion on players with no real reasoning. The quoted post is good evidence of such.
This is DoS's first statement against you, and I agree with it for the most part. You hadn't up to that point said anything of importance, just a back and forth banter with RF, and then you say Gorrad's posts aren't impressive? As if yours were?
Next post:
DoS wrote:I would like to point out that Sir Chris who has said as little (of relevance) as foilist showed up when I posted a case against him and then disappeared again. Way way way scummy.
That is all.
A true post, you did disappear, HOWEVER, so did DoS only to come back to point out you were gone, which does make that point moot. You replied and gave your reasoning, which was fine. You then attack DoS using the same argument he had against you, voting him, and then calling attention to it before DoS had even responded. When he did, he unvoted you:
DoS wrote:Unvote There is a subtle difference in not posting, and posting nothing of content. For now you have started participating (as you state it is your day off) and so I am inclined to believe that which you say. (I also work retail I know how the hours can be).
The reason I was attacking you is because you had made no thoughts on anything or anyone in the game imo in your posts, not because of how few you had.
The omgus on me is noted, but I like the activity so no vote on you any more.
Cobalt makes a good point about Vaya wagon, but what do you think of RF's case against her as he is the only one on the wagon who has posted one?
vote Zwetschenwasser his activity is definitely less than the other games I have seen him in.
And continued on to Zwet, who was by far acting the scummiest at that time. When you called him out on backing off your case he responded:
Dos wrote:Ah but Chris when my main point for attacking you was that you had posted very little with no content. I at least have let my thoughts be known, and its not hypocritical because of this. The reason I left your case is because you have changed the way you are playing now with the reasoning that you have some free time today. Which is supported by the fact that you have been interacting as opposed to saying nothing.
Sounds like a legit reason to me, but hey, what do i know right?
Then:
DoS wrote:Chris you are tunnelling. Its a bad thing. In general on this site if people are ignoring it, it is because they don't believe it worth talking about at that point in time.
He calls it tunneling, you call it found scum and pushing for it, still sounds like two townies butting head to me at this time.
Dos wrote:I'm recently back from a break, my play style will be a little different than it was previously just based on time passed. Chris, I am not saying that you shouldn't look at me, I am just saying it appears you are looking at no one else (i.e. tunneling).
And I'm not saying they will ignore it forever, you misunderstand me. What I am saying is people have other concerns with other players they feel to be a better option than I am right now, so they are working those options instead.
You really feel I am being rigid and formal?
Also if you want to do more background on me or any player if you click on their profile you can look at all posts made by them through that (and as such games they have been in).
DoS goes on to tell you he was not encouraging tunneling:
DoS wrote:Wait when did I encourage tunnelling? I don't believe I ever said anything about it in a positive context?
DoS wrote:On a related note, did anyone else notice, that in all of chris's posts on the last couple pages only 1 (thats all I can remember but it might have been 2) didn't include an urgent call for my lynch? Anybody else wanna say he isn't tunneling now?
DoS wrote:Ooh Chris has convinced some people, and there is now a wagon on me. All I have to say is at this point I have posted way more than you are giving me credit for Chris, and given thoughts on multiple players.
Also I still <3 you dgb it would kill you not to be on a wagon on me I know.
My thoughts on all this. meh.
DoS was being nice here, "convincing" is what he said, being overly pushy was how i saw it, i was a lil surprised that DoS wasn't really taking the wagon seriously though.
He listed you as one of his top scum:
DoS wrote:My top 5 scums:
Sir Chris
Raider
Cobalt
Hayker
Joe478
and stated he had given extensive thought about you and raider.
When asked to elaborate he did:
DoS wrote:Also for those asking, that list isn't in any particular order, those are just my top five suspects, and as for chris. Lets see. His period of ranting at me, contains a blatant statement of tunneling, various AtE's and overall bullying of the rest of the town. What is there to like about him?
then stated:
DoS wrote:Have fun following chris into sure oblivion. He has committed so many obvious scum tells that he admits too in the last 10 pages or so that it is asinine that you are all still following him.
He ends up voting for you, even posting quotes that he based his case off of:
DragonsofSummer wrote:Just cause townies do all 3 doesn't make them any less scummy.
Fine I've posted most of it in previous posts over the past few pages, but I'll clutter up the thread with a ton of the same info for you.
Tunneling:
sir chris wrote: I also, as you are starting to find out, believe tunneling is a in fact a good practice if it is towards the result you want.
sir chris wrote: THAT I SAID I WAS NOW TUNNELING ON HIM.
AtE/Bullying:
sir chris wrote:Seriously people, if you are just going to keep getting swept away in the idiocy of the moment and ignore my excellent case against DoS I am going to have to get uglier and uglier.
sir chris wrote:Cobalt, how about you vote DoS so he posts something worthwhile.
sir chris wrote:Ignore what the other people says, joe: I hate you for that vote.
DragonsofSummer wrote:sir chris wrote:I've got a scum read on DoS, I would like every one to place their vote on this scummy bag of bones so when can lynch him and find a probable scum behind this mask of defense and vanishing and
then we can all just be great friends and have cookies
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sir chris wrote:You guys just piss me off, I've got to say. Wrong on one lynch, gee, let's just hop on another
sir chris wrote:I can't help but have regret when DoS still draws breath, and if that is a scumtell then you got a messed up book of scum tells.
Those are just a few of the statements you made that appeal to emotion in some fashion.
Next two posts by DoS where basically him not caring much at that point if he got lynched, and it was because of his assurity that he would flip town, which bad reason or not, made me completely sure he was town. Why call for his own hammer? Had he been hammered as it looked like it was going to happen, his case against you Sir Chris would have been null, but he was still claiming it.
He still goes on:
DoS wrote:I just find people who use AtE/bullying to get other players to do what they want come out scum more often than town. Tunneling is really a null tell its just a bad practice because you lose sight of everyone else. You stop looking for connections between players, you stop looking at players who could be doing even more blatantly scummy things than the person you are tunneling on, and thats just not good for anyone involved. Plus it will result in you needing to reread over 60 pages to have somewhere to look day 2 (I don't feel bad for you about this by the way. Its my vengeance in action).
Now to me, this is what made me post that DoS was trying to point out that to him you were acting scummy. I don't believe at this time either of you truly are scum, just two very different playing townies. Hope that answers it for you Sir Chris.