The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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Ok, before I dive into this mess, can we seriously tone it down here folks? I have no intention of reading nine pages a day. That's ridiculous and most likely, unnecessary.
Moving on.
Yes, that is good advice to follow indeed.jordan wrote:Kise wuld not want us to kill him if it didnt benefit him. Come now, people. Think.
I agree.battlemage wrote:Jordan is obvobvscum.
I sense the tides turning.jordan wrote:Nothing special; but at least by pure luck I havent lost yet
+1kmd wrote:Are people really taking Kise seriously? Come on people.
Why are you not dead?jordan wrote:Kise may have a suicide-y martyr problem.
You're dead to me. KK thoughts?Snowbunny wrote:I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.
(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)
Ok good, just checking.kk wrote:Vote: Snow_Bunny ('cuz I don't feel like falling for my own trick)
Wowzas.Deathnote wrote:I am playing a game where I am unsure what alignment is town or not.
That's what racists say.Kise wrote:@Khan - How am I racist?
Frankly, half of the players who have posted so far are in need of a vigging. Though I have to say, that was the quickest nine pages in the history of mafia.-
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shh, don't encourage anyone.benmage wrote:Hey budddy, don't die so early this time...K
Should we not? Don't make me get kublai in here.volkan wrote:why should we lynch millers?
I don't know you to be a person who doesn't think about things. You seem to be playing quite reckless this game so far, why is that?Spyrex wrote:Thanks Volkan for making me THINK about this and actually LOOK back at what happened.
Hint: get with the program.milkshake wrote:I would also like to know: what about the investigation claim, Kise?
And, if it is legit, did you direct it yourself? If so, extreme coincidence.
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I can't believe you are actually making me link this game. You just wanted to dig up the wounds after they finally healed.Battle Mage wrote:Snow Bunny is obvtown. You have 1 post in which to remove your vote from her, or you earn mine.-
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I don't know if he did or not, but it was certainly the talk of the town when it happened, so I wouldn't doubt he could have heard of it. Regardless, I'm willing to ignore it now because there are other scummy characters to deal with Day 1 and maybe, just maybe, it will resolve itself. That being said, I'm not going to support him getting anywhere near endgame and if that means a lynch, so be it.BM wrote:Snow Bunny read that game? I doubt it. I can sympathise with your meta, but in this case, i still feel it's highly unlikely Bunny is running a gambit. And if it IS a gambit, it probably deserves a good run.YOUR AD HERE
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stark, why did you tell deathnote that it says "council=town" in his pm, and then later give a long explanation about checking his PM against the OP? That is what I would like you to explain.
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kmd did not explain this. Please proceed.VP wrote:stark, why did you tell deathnote that it says "council=town" in his pm, and then later give a long explanation about checking his PM against the OP? That is what I would like you to explain.
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Only a page over night....that's an improvement I suppose:
Why did you ask her this? I see it as fishing for information.stark wrote:Also, Snow_Bunny, what's your name?
People have answered this already, but I'd like to look at the actual posts, because I think interpretation is particularly important in this case.Llama wrote:Can someone also give me a good consise version of why stark is being wagoned? Im trying to string it together and cant tell if I am missing something or if its grasping at straws.
The important post is stark iso 4:
This is after DeathNote's alleged slip. He was confused over where it was clarified that council is the name for town in this game. Stark comes in and says that this is in his PM and votes him over it. Now, it actually does not say in the PM that council=town.stark wrote:
It should say it in your PM, scum.DeathNote wrote:Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.
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When questioned over this, stark later changes his story to 'compare your PM against the opening post to determine you are town'.
I fail to see how what stark first said equates to his later explanation. I hate going after people for scum slips, and that is why I have asked him to clarify, but this does seem significant enough to me to warrant suspicion. Given the complexity of the role pms, I could see a scum tripping themselves up on it.Stark wrote:1. The game begins with the death of "The Giver"
2. "The Giver", as stated in the introduction, is aligned with the Council
3. "The Giver"'s name has been written in green.
4. Green is the color asigned to all dead player/NPCs aligned with the town.
5. I am aligned with the council
I don't understand how this was even a question.
Did you ask if you were town or scum?DeathNote wrote:The first thing I thought was, "Damn, that sucks..." The first thing I did was ask Mod for clarification on my role. I sent him a message detailing what it was I could do and what I couldn't.
No, he wasn't.Plum wrote:Tubby's policy vote is *shudder*. Was he in the game with KK and traumatized?
I can link a game where I, as scum, argued for this exact point to direct investigations away from me, though the miller was real in that game.Plum wrote:Snow_Bunny - link to the game you mentioned when you said "In other games with many investigative roles. It helped them clear their sanity.
See the game I linked. KK was found guilty on a N0 investigation and just happened to claim miller immediately (don't ask me how he got that lucky). He survived to endgame and won because of this. I realize it is only one game, but it was pretty highly praised move, and I think it is reason enough to shift the site meta back toward lynching claimed millers well before endgame.volkan wrote:The general presumption is that you don't lynch somebody without overwhelming good reason. I've never seen an overwhelmingly good reason for lynching claimed millers. If you have one, I'm all ears.
Didn't she already say she's not a newbie? She said she had experience on the site about six months ago and then left for a bit. I don't remember if she said how much experience that is. I think I have an idea of what her other account was, however.poptajo wrote:Yeah but thats an obv newbie town move, not a scum move.-
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What made it disappear?stark wrote:I was concerned when DeathNote expressed confusion on the matter. This concern dissapeared over a very brief period of time; incidentally, this particular process would be really nice to see in terms of my wagon.YOUR AD HERE
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Yes, I think his response and the DN wagon in general aren't very good.kmd wrote:You disagree?
It's better than sex aaaaand it's the first time I've caught scum in my first vote.Spyrex wrote:I'm still pro-Jordan at the mo'.YOUR AD HERE
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Didn't some of them catch a prod somewhere in there?Kise wrote:You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:
Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.
Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.
Said the buddy of a miller-claiming-scumbag.Kise wrote:Only the buddy of a miller-claiming-scumbag? Well, sheeyit, if that isn't reaching, I don't know what is.YOUR AD HERE
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Translation: I am scum in mega stall mode.jordan wrote:oh. THere are votes against me. Thats strange.
Don't worry though people. If it comes down to it, I'll make sure you don't mislynch. Just give me time to post if somehow it comes down to hammer. But I'm town. I'm just a sadly inactive town who can't tell a joke from truth especially on a forum
Nonetheless...still re-reading.
Whyjordan wrote:My vote is still on stark, I believe. And I uphold that.arewere you voting stark?
You, please.jordan wrote:Using this argument, who should we lynch today?
Llama-You haven't commented much on jordan thus far, thoughts? Also your reasoning for finding stark townish baffle me with its complete lack of logic.
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and repeated sarcastic non-sense continue to be his only contributions to the game. I fail to see how that equals town or any genuine effort to scumhunt in your eyes.stark wrote:Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot I was supposed to do that in all the free time I had when not defending myself from the stupidwagon.
yeah, and I certainly don't disagree with you in that sense. It was a one in a million sort of thing, but it did happen and was remarked upon in several threads, so I feel it is at least worth noting (though I am no doubt biased). Regardless, I'm not worried about SB right now. I want Jordan dead asap.volkan wrote:In that game, you have a fairly exceptional array of circumstances combining: odds of any given player being investigated, odds of scum deciding to claim miller, odds of that particular scum member being selected as the claimer. In short, it's not only just one game; it's also an exceptional case.-
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except you voted him for what seemed like the same exact horrible reasons you voted Snow Bunny.SocioPath wrote:
Except I am voting alvinz, not Snow.populartajo wrote:Do you at least now why Socio and alvinz are voting Snow instead of first calling out on my normal play?
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^ This is you voting for shitty wagoning purposes.SocioPath wrote:Alright,
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^ This is you voting alvinz shortly thereafter, who voted for shitty wagoning reasons.SocioPath wrote:alvinz95 wrote:too. much. stuff. will catch up (hopefully)alvinz95 wrote:Vote: Snow_bunnyUnvote
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@ tajo- Stark's scumminess has been explained in detail several times by several different people. I did so myself here.
In addition to that, he is not scumhunting at all because he said he has had to spend too much time "defending" himself to do so. First day of a large, that is more than enough to lynch on imo.
Snow Bunny is not scum as far as I can tell, so you'll have to ask someone else about that one.
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wtf? So you think a lurker lynch is a better case than someone who has acted outright scummy and refuses to do anything to the contrary? Why don't we just replace alvinz and lynch actual scum today?kmd wrote:Oh. Forget my question about Alvinz. I just looked at him in ISO. He's a better lynch than either Snow or Stark.-
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@ sociopath as well
VP wrote:wtf? So you think a lurker lynch is a better case than someone who has acted outright scummy and refuses to do anything to the contrary? Why don't we just replace alvinz and lynch actual scum today?YOUR AD HERE
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Do you think it's a possibility he is simply behind in a very fast paced game? What do you think about simple replacing him?Kmd4390 wrote:
I know Alvinz can do more than he has so far. Snow hasn't done anything scummy yet. There isn't a good argument against Stark yet. Alvinz is the best lynch of the three.VP Baltar wrote: wtf? So you think a lurker lynch is a better case than someone who has acted outright scummy and refuses to do anything to the contrary? Why don't we just replace alvinz and lynch actual scum today?-
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Well, my limited experience with dramonic has shown him to take some very odd stances for little logical reason, but for how active he has been I'd think that it would be easier to tell where he stands on at least a few people.YOUR AD HERE
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Pretty sure I said I don't think she should make it to endgame after the miller claim, but I don't think spending a lynch on her right now is the best move when it could potentially resolve itself at night.dramonic wrote:Just reread you in ISO. WHere the hell did I see you wanted to lynch her? XDYOUR AD HERE
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Llama's post 830 is excellent and tubby's attempt to backhand it with sarcasm is quite telling, imo. I agree that tubby needs to explain his massive change in stance on millers from that game to this one.
Also, I'd like your opinion of kmd and stark, tubby.
In what way?milkshake wrote:Of course, this is largely just theory at the moment... since the whole SB thing has gone way beyond his miller claim.
This seems like a mega bit of reaching to me. This is what has been bugging me about you kmd. Normally you are a good logical player who tries to argue good points, but all of your cases thus far in the game have seemed overly fabricated.kmd wrote:No, Yaw's game was pretty bad as far as walls/spam/lurkers. Whether it's why we (the scum) won or not, it was a pretty hot topic in the postgame. Benmage saw that and I believe he tried to replicate it. Thanks for reminding me. I'd forgoten that point against Ben.
Nice subtle PR direction. I'm sure if there is a cop, he/she can figure out what to do on their own withour your help.Kise wrote:dramonic wrote: Knowing all this, I doubt any cop in their right mind would investigate SB tonight
I'd hit it.
If I were daycop, that is. Less chance of blockers/watchers/the gov'ment.
No. I was pointing out that you weren't actually paying attention to the real reason the wagon dissolved. You needed a reason to get off the wagon after it collapsed, and you posted a sloppy reason for doing so, imo.kise wrote:You thought I was DN's scumbuddy? XD
What do you think of kmd's scumhunting thus far, Kise?
From my experience with ben, this is true. I don't know what kmd's experience with him is, but in Yaw's game he did the same thing....so I don't see how it is a scumtell here suddenly.volkan wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong on this in Ben's case, because I haven't meta'd him, but I am going to say that odds are he spams a lot just as a personal trait.
benmage posts before dying in Yaw's game: 356kmd wrote:I don't see Ben spam normally.
kmd's posts after surviving to endgame: 142
battlemage (known spammer) posts: 359
jammer: 111
Spyrex: 187
Sensfan: 123
Vi: 152
alexhans: 202
GIEFF (mega-spammer): 589
etc. etc. some of those might be off by 1 or 2 posts because I was just going through quickly, but you can clearly see that benmage was indeed one of the spammers in that game, which only recently completed. I don't see how kmd can say he doesn't normally see him do it WHEN HE JUST DID SEE IT.
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You can pull anyone else from that game and they won't have near your numbers. That is my point. Vi wasn't in the game until late, but she was actively posting still. I was pointing out that kmd's argument you are not an active poster is categorically falsebenmage wrote:And those numbers are off. Vi wasn't even in the game till D3 I believe. Alex was one of the leaders D1, but he also slowed. You didnt list DDD, scum who survived till endgame with like 60 posts.YOUR AD HERE
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Which is what I said is stupid....I don't understand what you are trying to argue with me about it for.ben wrote:But kmD's argument is that Yaw, the mod said the spam/active posting style was bad for the game/town. So that since I acted similarly in this game, i'd only be doing so as scum.. Which is logically sound, but a false understanding of myself. (This is funny, defending kmd's case against meYOUR AD HERE
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See, I saw that and all, but surprisingly that doesn't explain WHY you changed your feelings on millers, which was the question asked.tubby wrote:vp i don't explain anything, but i will tell you to look at the time stamp on that game , my join date and figure it out.
You may proceed with your explanation.YOUR AD HERE
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Got anything a little more recent you'd like to comment on?stark wrote:Maybe it's a dumb idea, but the way in which SB was saying that cops should use her to test their investigations bothered me.
Could it be possible that it's some kind of trap? That she might have some kind of ability that does bad things to people who target her?
While I can see your point, I disagree somewhat when it comes to large games, especially in the early going. Right now it takes 14 to lynch somebody, surely somebody is going to have to compromise somewhere out of that group. Now, compromising 4 people down your list is an entirely different argument that can be made, but I dont' think the act of being willing to compromise in and of itself makes one scummy in the early days of a game this size.volkan wrote:There's also another issue here which I haven't raised yet which is that the "X lynch is not my first preference" post is a scum attempt at a get-out-of-jail-free. It's just not a post that has any point otherwise. If you sincerely think another wagon is preferable then argue for it.
That post of Cass' stuck out to me as well, most notably because I don't remember any slip from SB. It was DN who allegedly made the slip, wasn't it?llama wrote:the slip of stark is brought up and apparently the same applied to SB.
He's being replaced hopefully. You have anything else to say? Have you read the game yet?Papa Zito wrote:unvote: DGB
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Ah, true enough. I guess that is unfortunate for us.PZ wrote:ORLY? Last thing I saw from the mod was that he'd picked up his prod today. Why would you assume this?
And yeah I've read the game.
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@PZ- Holy crap, I completely forgot tajo was even in this game. Yeah, he definitely needs to be speaking up. I don't view him as a town lurker.
And I agree with Spy, there is a massive disparity in activity in this game that is making me very uneasy. I don't see why there are so many people hanging out in the shadows. We're almost at page 40 people and I don't know who half of you are at this point....that's not good.YOUR AD HERE
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@KK-what bothers me is that all of his scumhunting this game feels horribly fabricated. Volkan pointed this out regarding his stances on DN. I pointed it out regarding his "spamming" accusations against benmage. I don't normally feel forced scumhunting from Kmd, so I think it's reasonable to conclude that he's scum.
Has his scumhunting struck you as odd at all or does it seem genuine to you?YOUR AD HERE
Too busy with work to play mafia right now but I shall return some day!-
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