The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)


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Post Post #2475 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:42 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:
Vaya wrote:Elmo, and she was RB'ed by dram.
why would you target Elmo? Also, why would Dram block Plum?

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I was suspicious of Elmo because his behavior and the behavior of the guy before him was a bit weird and they almost seem to be making a point to be unhelpful and do pretty much nothing so far this game.

I believe dramonic said he blocked Plum because he thought a SK kill was blocked by him or SP N1, so he blocked Plum to see if the SK was her.
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Post Post #2476 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:45 pm

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Why havent u asked elmo to name claim?
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Post Post #2477 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:47 pm

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We were blocked, we have no results.
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Post Post #2478 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:22 pm

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Who claimed to be the "Causer of Weep"?

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Post Post #2479 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:43 pm

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SP? I think. One of the damn million "town" roleblockers running around.
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Post Post #2480 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:51 pm

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SpyreX wrote:SP? I think. One of the damn million "town" roleblockers running around.
Ok. Plum, Vaya, Why would you not have targetted HIM last night? That rolename is so obviously BS it's hilarious. xD

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Post Post #2481 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:23 pm

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Vote Count (Page 100, Day 3)


milkshake
-3 (dramonic, Plum, tubby216)
dramonic -3 (Snow_Bunny, Papa Zito, Battle Mage)
Papa Zito -2 (LlamaFluff, chamber )
Snow_Bunny -2 (Elmo )
Sajin -2 (Benmage, stark)
SerialClergyman -1 ( VP Baltar)
tubby216 -1 (SocioPath)
chamber -1 (SpyreX)
Benmage -1 (Kise)
Snow_Bunny -1 (milkshake)

Not Voting:
SerialClergyman, Sajin, Vaya

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Deadline will be at the earliest 11/14 at 5:00 PM EST. With 20 whole votes available, it takes 11 to lynch.


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Post Post #2482 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:24 pm

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Plum wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:Ok, based on my LoS, and subsequent flips and comments, i'd say my 3rd suspect is Plum. KK flipping Mafia reflects badly on her, and my case on Sajin is undermined by KMD flipping non-Mafia. That said, her claim could get her out of trouble. If she and Vaya need to be tested, Plum should go first. Then again, meta-wise, im less sure.

Eh, a fullclaim will resolve this either way.

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DRAMONIC: Yesterday everyone put Milk in the 'prob Town if Tubby is telling the truth due to the Hider claim' bin. You KNEW that Milk was untargetable Night 1 and thus that Tubby's Hide attempt proved nothing about Milk's alignment. WHY did you not speak up about this???
Because yesterday I was quite suspicious of YOU plum. SO I wasnt really buying the namecop mason daytalk claim.
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Post Post #2483 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:34 pm

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Vaya wrote:We were blocked, we have no results.
Wait...One of you gets blocked and you both get blocked?

Because Plum got blocked. Plum claimed you did the actions of role/namecopping and she just got the info from the mod aswell....
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Post Post #2484 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:37 pm

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one of them does the action at night, but they both receive the result.

At least that's what I understand...
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Post Post #2485 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:40 pm

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benmage, how have you missed all of this?
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Post Post #2486 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:40 pm

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Okay, I missed the pregame kill. I am surmising here that Tajo killed Kublai. My problem is that Kublai was Mafia and I only skimmed very quickly, but it seems Mafia would have a great incentive to kill Tajo and the SK not very much (unless he was attacking someone else strongly that I missed). I would imagine a SK would have more immediate problems.
I can't really understand why either the Mafia or the SK would target DGB from what I know.
The fact that The Giver was
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1. dramonic
2. Benmage
3. VP Baltar (OMGUS!)

Fairly arbitrarily.
unvote, vote dramonic


I kinda figure Plum, Vaya, Socio as town right now. I didn't especially want Plum's partner to claim, but I figure with Vaya out, she's likely town; VayaPlumScum can happily have that gambit paid of for the short term, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see any particular reason for a fullclaim unless Plum/Vaya want to.
Benmage wrote:Yes Elmo’s play is quite poor.
Why, in your opinion? Or do you mean Rosso's, or what?
VP Baltar wrote:Hidden double vote is a threat to the town until I see evidence that the scum can manipulate the votecount also.
Why is that?

It would be really good if people hating on me could give a reason why, instead of just doing something simple like play normally and abuse the fact that double-voters are commonly seen as town, the mafia would decide to try and get a double-voter through
the entire game game without voting anyone at all or doing anything ever, despite the fact that the number of available votes are listed clearly in the vote count or the fact we started out with 29 players and it's clearly self-defeating. (Note that hiding the double vote for a short while is liable to make the mafia's life a little harder if they're not paying attention, albeit I wouldn't do it.) I think this argument is fairly silly, but I can't really have it floating around out there as-is.

Also, this "zombie" (maybe the word is misleading, but we know what we mean) thing needs to be sorted out post-haste. What the hell kind of town role does that? But, eh he claimed freely, right? Still weird. :?

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Post Post #2487 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:52 pm

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VP Baltar wrote:re:Kise's note theory-I think that is a bit of a stretch...though the death of Volkan isn't entirely lost on me.
Wow.. you've got a
'good memory'
to recall their argument. I had to iso volkan just to know exactly what you were referencing. Hmmmm...
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Ok... Thanks to this post, my suspect list is: Benmage, chamber, milkshake, Snow Bunny, Sajin and tubby (in that order). Milk claims to be psychiatrist or Sane Modifier (I need clarification). Personally, if I was an SK and had knowledge of a curer, I'd jump on claiming in a heartbeat. It's much harder to win as SK so I'd defo convert to being town. Thing is, the claim kind of smells like boo-boo, so I'm still keeping her on my suspect list -- she's been there for a while... wait, milk is a she, right?
Benmage wrote:I cant believe your #1 read is that scribe thing....play better
It's brilliant. KK had no reason to protect you from being lynched unless you're his buddy. I am a bit worried VP doesn't see this though.
They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.

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Post Post #2488 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:05 pm

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SerialClergyman wrote:benmage, how have you missed all of this?
dramonic wrote:one of them does the action at night, but they both receive the result.

At least that's what I understand...
I thought Vaya did the action.... Yet Plum got blocked and no action...hence the confusion SC.
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Benmage wrote:Yes Elmo’s play is quite poor.
Why, in your opinion? Or do you mean Rosso's, or what?
You aren't active enough. Why did I make #2 on your list?
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Benmage wrote:I cant believe your #1 read is that scribe thing....play better
It's brilliant. KK had no reason to protect you from being lynched unless you're his buddy. I am a bit worried VP doesn't see this though.
Still baffled at you....KK clearly didn't protect me saying I should be lynch to fulfill KmD's WC...how the fuck is that at all protecting me???KmD said the one he needs to kill is the SK...puhhleeeeassse elaborate more Kise...and not in 5 days.
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Post Post #2489 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:07 pm

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Kise wrote:I am a bit worried VP doesn't see this though.
Why, you think VPB is in this grand scheme?
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Post Post #2490 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:24 pm

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Ben, can you explain the distinction between between not being active enough vs. playing badly/scummily when I'm here? When you say "I don't like your play", I thought you mean the latter. And also why you're looking at me in particular for not-active-enough?

I'm not too sure about why #2, yet.
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Post Post #2491 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:31 pm

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Battle Mage wrote:Have Plum and Vaya claimed to have targetted someone last night? I demand that we know the true name of the alleged "Causer of Weep"! lmfao :D

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Post Post #2492 (ISO) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:42 pm

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Benmage wrote:Still baffled at you....KK clearly didn't protect me saying I should be lynch to fulfill KmD's WC...how the fuck is that at all protecting me???
He didn't recommend that you be lynched. He wrote a note saying KMD would win the game > town if you were ever lynched. So it's protective in the sense that it attempts to scare everyone into NOT voting you. Why would KK go to these lengths for your benefit?
Benmage wrote:KmD said the one he needs to kill is the SK...
Don't matter what KMD said, if that's even what he typed. KK tried to use a smoke and mirrors tactic (for what?) and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't just write a bunch of bullshit. What good would it do him to merely confuse town, when he should put those notes to use by assisting his mafia? And by assisting his mafia, I mean trying to protect you from being lynched.
Benmage wrote:puhhleeeeassse elaborate more Kise...and not in 5 days.
30 minutes, in yo face!
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Post Post #2493 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:12 am

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Kise wrote:He didn't recommend that you be lynched. He wrote a note saying KMD would win the game > town if you were ever lynched. So it's protective in the sense that it attempts to scare everyone into NOT voting you. Why would KK go to these lengths for your benefit?
That's simply not true. Kmd was already dead when KK allegedly wrote the note. Therefore, he could not win if benmage was lynched. He was clearly trying to get benmage lynched if the note came from him. If KK wrote the note, then it is increasingly likely that benmage is prob town.
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Post Post #2494 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:19 am

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I think VP should just post everything, and his method of tabulation. All the raw data is in the thread anyway.
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Post Post #2495 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:30 am

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chamber wrote:I think VP should just post everything, and his method of tabulation. All the raw data is in the thread anyway.
i think thats a lil rude,,

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Post Post #2496 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:43 am

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tubby216 wrote:
chamber wrote:I think VP should just post everything, and his method of tabulation. All the raw data is in the thread anyway.
i think thats a lil rude,,

you never ask a magician to reveal his tricks
The second he's confirmed town I'll trust him to be secretive, until then I like transparency.
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Post Post #2497 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:03 am

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I'm happy to post everything if that is what the general population wants. I personally think that the top five with my method should be sufficent while also not giving the scum a target list of those near the bottom who are least suspected. However, if the town as a whole wants the full list, I shall reveal it.

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Post Post #2498 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:09 am

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Elmo wrote: I kinda figure Plum, Vaya, Socio as town right now. I didn't especially want Plum's partner to claim, but I figure with Vaya out, she's likely town; VayaPlumScum can happily have that gambit paid of for the short term, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see any particular reason for a fullclaim unless Plum/Vaya want to.
If i recall correctly, they do not have alignment confirmation of each other. Therefore, it's quite feasible that one is anti-town, especially given the role doesn't ring as particularly protown. I think we can give them another Day or 2, but after that, we will need to reassess. Ofc, if they dont investigate Sociopath tonight, i will happily string them up tomorrow. :D

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Post Post #2499 (ISO) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:12 am

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who claimed that rolestealer thingy?

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