The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[Vaya]

Sadly, however, despite everything I said above, I'm inclined to believe her flavor, and stark is just as vote-worthy, for similar reasons, minus the stuff about being a miller.

Unvote
Vote: stark

[LlamaFluff]

Question time!!

@Socio - Jordan or Ben lynch? Why?
@Vaya - What about the wording of the miller claim makes you disbelieve it? Also do you belive it?
@Sajin - Do you believe the miller claim?
@tubby - Have you played a game with a miller claim before?
@milk - Now that we know that investigation thing was false, thoughts on what is happening?

[VP Baltar]

So we have DeathNote, Benmage, Sajin, and Jordan as scum. Cool.

Why is Sajin scum again?

Why do you think the DeathNote "slip" is more telling than what Stark said?

[dramonic]

DeathNote isn't obvscum, he's obv3rdparty.

[Vaya]

@Vaya - What about the wording of the miller claim makes you disbelieve it? Also do you belive it?

Maybe its just me, but the way she said it before made it look to me that she wasn't very sure if claiming was a good idea. It kinda gave me the impression that she may have been convinced to do it by someone else. That's why I asked where she had heard about claiming earlier.

Her flavor, however, seems believable. It's not too straight-forward about why she's a miller, and overall doesn't really sound completely made up. I'm leaning toward believing its real right now.

[DeathNote]

DeathNote isn't obvscum, he's obv3rdparty.

Your crazy

Unvote

Vote: Stark

[Benmage]

DeathNote isn't obvscum, he's obv3rdparty.

Your crazy

Unvote

Vote: Stark

BUssssss

way to vote the person defending you. *claps for the scum hunting*

DN needs to go too.

[DeathNote]

I do not... I am always helpful to the town. :/

[stark]

Stark still has some explaining to do.

I'm pretty sure I really don't.

Unvote

[SocioPath]

Socio is ignoring the deathnote situation

You should know from a lightning quick meta read that I generally try to avoid debates on role PM formatting.

[milkshake]

@milk - Now that we know that investigation thing was false, thoughts on what is happening?

I was just happy with my little role interaction and now I am sad because no cop investigated me.

Other than that... wel, I thought we were over the DeathNote "slip" so I was surprised when kmd joined in on that.

[milkshake]

Oh, also I was under the definite impression that miller claim was a null-tell or slight town tell because it meant cops had something to test their sanity on. (Mafia claiming miller = guilty result, townie claiming miller also = guilty result). Unless you think we have a scum that looks innocent to cops claiming miller?

[VP Baltar]

Socio is ignoring the deathnote situation

You should know from a lightning quick meta read that I generally try to avoid debates on role PM formatting.

From a theory perspective, why may I ask?

[VP Baltar]

stark, why did you tell deathnote that it says "council=town" in his pm, and then later give a long explanation about checking his PM against the OP? That is what I would like you to explain.

Also, why did you just unvote?

[Kmd4390]

Why is Sajin scum again?

Not playing to his town meta.

Why do you think the DeathNote "slip" is more telling than what Stark said?

I don't think Stark meant that it directly said council is town, but implies it. DeathNote couldn't even see this much.

[SocioPath]

Socio is ignoring the deathnote situation

You should know from a lightning quick meta read that I generally try to avoid debates on role PM formatting.

From a theory perspective, why may I ask?

Some mods will modkill when it comes to confirming people based on PM structure.

I personally play mafia for the psychological and psychoanalytical parts of the game, not the 'guess the third word in my PM and break the game' reasons.

[LlamaFluff]

Dont ignore my question there SP

[SpyreX]

I don't know you to be a person who doesn't think about things. You seem to be playing quite reckless this game so far, why is that?

Well, this is a two-parter. First off I was posting about Jordan being scum and since I blinked away for about 2 milliseconds a whole new page of posts showed up and I saw dramonic's post and looked at it and went "WELP, thar be scum (and dragons)"

Then, after Volkan asked me about the logic I opted to go waaay back and look at it contextually and then cried a little inside. Because, really, one or two people could make the mistake I did but that many? No.

I guarantee there is at least A scum (probably two) on that wagon that was forming. It was too perfect to not latch onto.

However, this belies the other issue this game is having:

Condense. Your. Posts.

There is no reason we've got this many posts this game. Its not a race, and if it were it's a race to failure. Make sure its relevant, and then post it.

Fluff posts in this setup with the way things are moving aren't simply fluff or even anti-town. They are scummy.

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That said,

Unvote, Vote: Jordan

Before I got distracted by a sweet low hanging fruit I went here. I'm going back. He's paying enough attention to this game to, dare I say, be actively avoiding questions. Which I'm cool with nipping in the bud because I think there is an actual non-PM slip there.

[SpyreX]

GOD DAMNIT. Hypocrisy, thy name is SpyreX.

Unvote, Vote: Jordan

[dramonic]

You are aware I suppose that you just unvoted and voted Jordan while you were already voting him?

So, you said "Thar be scums (and dragons)" in response to which of my post exactly?

[SpyreX]

I was not voting for Jordan. Or I didn't bold it properly.

I was talking about DeathNote in 179 - his slip + your "third party / not scum" business.

I need to do an analysis on the game as a whole. I'll freely admit that I couldn't even name half the players at the moment and that isn't a good thing.

[Kmd4390]

Spy, why so sure you were wrong about DeathNote?

[Sajin]

Question time!!
@Sajin - Do you believe the miller claim?

Miller claims are null tell for me. The best way to deal with such a claim is to vig them if they are scummy. Unless they are quite obviously town. I do not think snow bunny is obviously town and therefore should be vigged.

@KMD- Interesting. So I am scum with a group of other people based on meta? How does that work? I find it far more likely that your basically copying spyrex's theory word for word and just providing a reason because you were called out on it.

I'm pretty sure I really don't.

Your 2 statements do not mesh with each other.

@Socio- I did not ask for any information from another players role PM nor did anyone else. Stark volunteered this information when jumping on DNote's wagon. Stark stated something I found as a contradiction and when I questioned him about it he tried to explain it off using different logic. Evidently others found the same thing questionable.

[SpyreX]

I'm not -sure- I'm wrong.

However, I am positive that the reasons for the lynch were not what I thought and thus the speed and style of the bandwagon bother me a LOT.

If he ends up lynched I wouldn't shed a tear based on reactions, but as I find Jordan scummier, would rather hit a miller AND am confused by Stark (off the top of my head - this is before I've actually got to really LOOK at everyone) I'm not gung-ho about it like when I thought there was a power slip.

[dramonic]

I'll agree we have a nice scum kebab.