Monty Python's Mafia Circus Game Over
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We will not stand here and be made fun of you sons of childish goathearders. We will raise our hands HIGH and bellow down laughing-foolery at your mother's feet.
And now for something completely different...
Did you know? Douglas Adams actually has writing credits for Flying Circus?
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We may all use the lines! Together!
Unless you are too silly
THEN BURN THE WITCHES.
And now for something completely different...
Yep, The Hitchhikers Douglas Adams - he was even in an episode of the last season too.
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GENTLMEN
I HAVE FOUND THE ANSWERS
We are here hunting for those that are far too silly. Whom here, of course, causes silliness?
You know it as well as I
Vote Mirth[\b]
There will be no silliness on my watch you eldeberry scrounger-
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Unless they are space frogs.
Vote Mirth[\b]
Mirth leads to silliness! WE CAN NOT DON THINE HATS
I did this once, but NOOO the game hadn't started yet. What a silly reason for my vote not to count.FoS Shafted[\b]-
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Now is definitely not the time for roleclaims I'd say.
Although, with monty python... I have no way to ever tell if we're out of the joking stages.
Forward men, to the cave of AUuuuuhhgghhhhh-
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I haven't played in a lot of games yet, but I've read quite a few. Its not enough to build a case on, but in general "I'm soo confused" is a scum-maneuver. Especially in context of random voting.
THIS ONE IS FOR REAL
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I dont know what I think about the whole breadcrumbing at al... it really seems like an odd move this early.
I still like my honest, non-silly, vote. Its FAR too easy to use "I'm confused" in this setup and I dont like it one bit.-
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I dont see The Internet's "rolefishing" as honest rolefishing. IM came out and said "I've got a role! Wooo" so, of course, people are going to look for it.
The thing is faking a claim, even believable, would give everyone else a chance to look for discrepancies. It'd have to be a good a fakeclaim to be 100%.
I have to think that IM is doing this as part of a PR or something.... otherwise, if you asked me with a gun to my head which one of the two was scum I'd lean towards Ironman.-
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I've been thinking about the Iron Man issue.
Now, its obvious the town isn't going to let it drop unless we get a full disclosure. At this point, what purpose does it serve to keep hiding that information when it is apparent that, one way or another, the town is going to need it?
You cant dangle information and not give it.
So, Iron Man, please just spit out whatever it is you're trying to have us hunt. It is becoming too large of a distraction and we should start moving forward and looking for scum.-
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In general, I do not like rolefishing, at all. Let the town use their roles to what they feel is going to help the most. Now, if you have some method to FIND roles without alerting everyone then, yes, it would help the town (assuming both sides involved were town, )
The ONLY time I can understand rolefishing is in an open setup where, by knowing a role, you can eliminate options. But, thats about it.
As for this situation, I dont like The Internet backing away from what is going to be the OBVIOUS next question:
Ironman, what, if anything, do you do as the Announcer?
If someone is going to claim, it bothers me when they just dont claim it all. Again, once you've hinted, the town is going to need to know before we move ahead.
But, SpyreX, you said that you dont like rolefishing??
I dont, but if the net has been cast by the fish themselves, you have to pull it up.
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I expected to get a vote for that, honestly, more than one.
Now, under normal circumstances, I'd never even ask. However, when someone does "I'm role X, guess what X is." and I know, at that point, they're going to just have to claim...they better just claim fully.-
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Chenshi,
You've really got to post some content. I'm glad you're posting, but you're still just acting like "I'm confused" and not really doing much. It's why I've got my vote on you and its why its staying there for now.-
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I'm not into the whole WIFOM, but the minute he started playing "guess my role" it implied something was there. It'd be better to know what it IS then to just let it slide.
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Lurkers aren't for day one. Scummy players are.
I'm gonna meta some and chen sure doesn't seem this confused in the other game I've seen him in. I've done the "I'm soo confused" as scum on other sites before as well.
Not likin it, one bit.
Also, just so that no one things I've dropped it, I personally want to know what IM's full claim is. If I am outvoted by the town I'll drop it...for now.-
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Python or not, there is still room to hunt. Hell, you're totally shaping up on your post restriction to the point I barely notice it anymore.
Yes, its going to be a little more Zany in here, but it isn't any more "confusing" than other games.-
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I think that would go against the whole concept of the Bruce, adding in a level of confusion that would make Bruce become not-Bruce, thereby destroying our fabric of lives.
Bruce, the real Bruce, is right. DBE needs to step up some.
However, confused Bruce is still acting far too confused for me to like it.
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Chen,
You better post some content, I swear. I can't believe after those responses I'm taking my vote OFF you.
Luigi,
You faked a PR for no reason, provided no content (but responded quickly enough to show you're not lurking) in your 6 posts and, mostly, have been parroting.
DBL,
Are you trying to say you have a time based PR or a content based one? Either one is hard to beileve.
Anywho,
Unvote
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Ok, now I've got more reasons to think DBE is up to no good based on the posting and what I -think- she is implying her PR is.
As part of this,
Unvote
Vote: DBE
Lets see a supposed change in the PR with less votes on Luigi and keep on truckin, because I think I done got you busted.-
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Ohh, I've still got:
FoS: Luigi
FoS: Chen
Luigi for now saying it was a joke, he was confused AND he's not sure if he has any powers.
Chen for, well, being Chen at this point and not giving any information.-
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Ohh it feels SOOO GOOD when they fall into it. SOOO GOOD
PLEASE ALL HEREIN READ THIS REVELATION:
Darla is full of it.
I, you silly eldeberry sniffers, am the http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S1yjT8XsDI8 ONE TRUE French Taunter.
It sucks coming out like this for it, but I'm not going to beat around the bush with it. I have a night action as well. I didn't want to get into it day 1, of course, but when someone else claims my role I sure as hell am going to jump on it.
So, this makes me believe that the scum weren't given fake claims as well. That's delicious.
This day 1 will go down in memory.
HUZZAH.
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Ok, there was a lot of posting, woot
I'm going to lay it out - I am, of course, a confirm able power role.
I am the French Taunter.
What do I do you ask?
Taunt, of course.
The taunted must use their night actions if any on me instead of their target.
NOW, I do not know if they KNOW they've targeted me or if they think they've still targeted their original target. If its the former, awesome, if its the latter...not so awesome. I was worried about this because I didn't want to nail a cop or something and have them think they got an inno on a scum.
However, depending on how some things go, this might be an amazingly powerful role:
If the scum's nightkill counts as part of my taunting, I would be able to deduce scum by taunting them and being doc protected.
Regardless, it should be easy enough to confirm me - If need be I'll target who the town wants and we'll see the results.
I breadcrumbed a little pre-game (my first posts mention not only the classic taunts but the catapult as well). I have NO PR so that's what started to tip me off. I just wanted to see if DBE was going to specifically claim the taunter or not.
Now, I suppose there may be multiple taunters but she did not say she had any powers. I cant see them having two people with the same name BUT different roles AND only one having a PR.
Of course, I dont think we need to powerlynch. Let DBE say whatever she is going to. The more this goes on, the more we have to work with tomorrow.-
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If Taunter was a vanilla, I'd buy it as some kind of default. As I claimed a power role and I really doubt there'd be more than one, I'm not buying it.
With all of the python roles that would be in here, I'm sure that there's no need for two of us to have the same role with different abilities.
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There may be two of us, but its not adding up to me at all.
Why give us the exact same name?
Why would YOU have a PR and I dont, if we are both taunters?
Why did you use it as a method to avoid giving content?
and, maybe its just me, why would they give us two roles so similar with no method to expect a similarity within the game?
Its all of Monty Python, there's no need for a double-role with so many roles floating around.
So, if it was just that we were both taunters without anything else, then I'd be more inclined to believe it.
And, its mafia - why make an appeal to emotion about being accused a liar when, evidence suggests, there is a huge possibility you're lying?
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God, should learn to preview before post.
So, you have to insult and can not answer questions unless there's votes on you?
I've seen some PR's, but that's a strange one.
I'm thinkin about it.-
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DBE,
It just isn't makin sense. I cant wrap my brain around it.
Maybe the Mod is playing an amazing jest, but I honestly dont think so.
Your responses also aren't giving me a warm feelin' about it. When you're on the block, repeating yourself isn't a bad thing. Your answers seem very vague so far and you're not really being forthcoming to me.
I sure dont think I'm wrong, but if I am I really am giving props to shaft for making this a mindbreaker.
We're in an 18? Person game? I honestly dont expect two of the same role.-
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Mine says a as well, but thats because it is A french taunter and not THE french taunter. There are more than one and its not a specific one.
I'm still not buying two of us with that part.-
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I assume the worst, so I doubt its going to help in the regular sense. On some level, I could see it though (I think the PR is faked).
However, you are asking for her to, in essence, modkill herself if she IS telling the truth.
So, I'm going to hold with it, but I really dont like what you just did.
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I think its the flipside of whats happened already.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are different penalties AND, regardless, why would LG know exactly what happened when DBE got some very vague description.
We're running into more issues with flavor not matching than anything else.-
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Ok, I think I've confused myself with the abbreviations. I should have just stuck to Bruces.
BUT, I think the main point stands with what I was trying to pull out:
1.) Bruce KNOWS what happens if he breaks his PR.
2.) Albatross KNOWS what happens if he breaks his PR.
3.) DBE, however, does not.
When you add in the fact that we've got the same clip and the same role yet different abilities...
I personally think DBE is scum AND that scum now don't have safeclaims, which could come in handy later.
Only in Python could we have a day 1 like this.
Ohh...
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Lord Bruce, I hope you're talking about DBE and not me? You use a he, and I'm hoping thats a typo.I also find Bruce's claim to still not have found anything worth talking about really, really hard to believe. He seems happy enough to pipe up when people are asking him direct questions, but is contributing nothing otherwise. Silliness and suspiciousness are all around us, Bruce, surely you have some thoughts on which of your fellow players seem dodgiest?
Yes, I still want more information from Ironman. Very, very much so.Certainly, I don't think we should rush to a quick lynch of Bruce when several other players still have significant questions to answer, such as the issues around Bruce's partial role claim. His latest post, voting without reading in detail and without addressing the questions he's been asked, is very suspect, and he really needs to address the roleclaim questions one way or another.
My only problem with this is that, personally, I think DBE is telling the truth about her "ability" just not her "name" and "alignment". She could call out her roleblock and I think it'll go through. However, with the other inconsistencies I don't think she's town.I also wonder whether (and again this may be bad tactics so don't hesitate to tell me if this is a silly idea) rather than lynch Bruce today and then lynch Bruce tomorrow if Bruce does turn out to be telling the truth about her role, we might be able to find out more if we let them both live tonight? It seems handy to know that we have another maf already in our sights if we can find a different maf to lynch today. (Don't get me wrong: if we decide to lynch one or the other of them, I definitely agree that Bruce is the one to lynch first, I don't think it's a 50-50 call by any means.)
I know I've got a bad case of reading today but, Imaginality, do you KNOWspecificallywhat will happen if you break your PR? This is important to me. It should be obvious, but if LG KNOWS what happens if he screws up his albatrossing but DBE doesn't know with her conditional PR, thats one more nail in the coffin.-
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Thank you!
Its the weekend, I'm bad at reading.
So, that's another part of it right there.
1.) Claiming the same character with different abilities.
2.) Having a different mod-set for your PR.
3.) (Personally) the not-PR insults you've been throwing towards the town if you're lynched.
I dont think scum have fakeclaims and DBE picked what, obviously, would make sense for a roleblocker.
Ma vote is staying where it is.
As an aisde, I'd still like some explanation from Ironman and Chenshi sure hasn't slipped under the radar (he's got enough experience in general to not be playing the confused card) and Luigi as well.
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I just did a search of your name:I have experience?
Monty Python
Polygamist Mafia
Freelancer Mafia
Science Mafia
Mini 624
Mini 621
Haunted Mansion
Deadly Game Show
Vending Machine
Mini 626
Newbie 641
I dont even think that's all of them.
Look at my stats. YES, you have experience. Far more than enough for this kind of play to set my radar off. If it wasn't for the fact DBE has either gotten herself mod-screwed (which I doubt) or IS scum I'd be voting for you in a heartbeat and that kind of reply doesn't make me feel like I'd be wrong about it.-
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I didn't say you had more than me, just that you have enough to have opinions. No matter how you chuck it, you do have more than I do, but that really isn't the point.
The fact is you haven't provided anything this game and that's starting to irk me because you're obviously not lurking.-
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My biggest problem with this is, DBE has eluded to it being a modkill. So,I have a thought. Just a thought mind you. Why don't we test DBE, PR. Let's unvote her (for the moment), she in turn must still talk without taughting to one person (just one post DBE) and tell us what happens if anything the Mod does for breaking the PR.
**Mind you this doesn't clear DBE, but the fact that she has be doing the PR since the game started makes me want to give her a bit of a chance.
1.) She wont agree.
2.) She'll agree and it doesn't happen.
3.) She agrees and gets modkilled.
None of these really help us. I think DBE is scum, but either way solving it by a modkill isn't a good idea.
I thought I was pretty clear. Claiming like that is bad. Softclaiming without divulging all the details is, well, worse. If they're going to go half-way, might as well finish the job and give us some information and a tool to use.Why do we need to know this?
Now, onto the both of us scum case:
1.) The French Taunter's quotes are very obvious python. I could have seen people putting them in their posts for a myriad of reasons.A) SpyreX not counterclaiming the French Taunter role earlier. Really, with how obvious it was that DBE was going to claim that role because of the PR she may have been faking, I'd really think, if SpyreX is really a French Taunter, he'd have noticed this earlier and claimed that he thinks DBE is scum because of it. The PR made the charachter associated with it fairly unmistakeable.
2.) I dont have a PR, so I wanted to see if/when she would do it.
3.) I, of course, thought maybe there was a CHANCE of a similar role or something of the like. She could have been "French Leader" or something that would have had the PR but not been my EXACT role.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: 477
Catch-up post time, was unexpectedly pretty much afk for the past few days, eeeep at how fast the games moving lol. Typing as I read, apologies if I start parroting other people (pun intended).
strappado wrote:
I still say we get rid of Imaginality to eliminate the Bruce confusion.
Having a PR is not scummy, therefore it's a terrible reason to lynch someone. FOS: strappado
LATER AMENDMENT TO THIS POINT: Why target only Imaginality for your vote when others (eg. Lord Gurgi) also have PR's, especially since LG's PR is, if anything, more annoying and makes him less useful as Imaginality.
Mirth wrote:
Iron Man: The announcer is not unique to that sketch. I don't think I buy your claim. Why did you feel the need to make us guess it?
Quite a lot of MP charachters are not unique to one sketch, even some one the more well known ones (eg. Mr.Praline, the dead parrot guy). If that's your only reason for not believing the claim, then it's not a very good one.
Iron Man wrote:
To tell the truth, I was bored and was looking for some fun.
Since this is Monty Python mafia, I thought a deviation from the norm was in order.
*headdesk*
Congrats on making us waste 7 pages on a pointless quest to discover your role that only really gave an advantage to the scum by letting them know a town role (assuming you're not scum yourself, which wouldn't be too far-fetched considering you led us all on a wild goose chase for no good reason).
FOS: Ironman
The Internet wrote:
If Iron Man's claim is sincere, then he is probably not a power role. Claiming this early exposes him to NKs too early in the game. So I think the next action would be to ask about features, but I'll let someone else do that. However, we must consider WIFOMs.
If you weren't rolefishing before, you sure are now (underlined part). And asking someone else to do the rolefishing for you makes you look even worse, since then if someone finds rolefishing scummy, the person who did it on your behalf will look scummy instead of you, even though you came up with the idea. Liking my vote very much atm.
SpyreX wrote:
Ironman, what, if anything, do you do as the Announcer?
Why do we need to know this?
strappado wrote:
Sure, I'd much rather vote someone because they said something like, "Oh, my role? I'm mafi--oops oops, I mean...errrrm...I'm a notorious silly walker, yes yes, nothing to see here, move along" ...but unfortunately nothing like that has happened so I'm going with the possible least helpful member of the cast, until something better comes along.
Just because nothing obviously scummy has happened yet doesn't mean that nothing scummy has happened at all, it is always better to vote for someone because they're scummy than for any other reason, and a PR is one of the worst reasons for voting someone. You're now my 2nd fave lynch target behind Internet HOS: strappado
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spyrex wrote:
Ironman, what, if anything, do you do as the Announcer?
Unvote, vote spyrex.
Less power role speculation please.
Exactly what I was talking about before with TheInternet.
Lord Gurgi wrote:
Strappado's actions seem more like bad play style than scumminess.
What makes you say this?
chenhsi wrote:
This is really weird. That is the weirdest post restriction I have ever seen!
Content please
farside22 wrote:
Hmm I saw Jordan online yet he didn't post in this game. I call lurker shenanigans!
Judging by how the past couple of days have been, I was probs online only fleetingly. It's probs best to check if someone's online for a long time without posting before accusing me like you did.
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Are we all going to start saying Bruce now? Sure, I can jump on this trend too.
Bruce, (the one with the scary dancing avatar) needs to post some bloody content too.
Lets not, that'll just be too confusing lol
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Lol Iron Man, i looked at ur sketch, it's awesome, so what exactly do you do, as the anouncer?
Fishing and faking posting restriction?
You must die!
unvote; vote luigi gangsta
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I agree. The posting of sketches in every post I could see, but a sudden backwards talking restriction. There should be no reason for it to happen out of nowhere
unvote:
vote: luigi gangsta
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Albatross!
Math check mod, Unvote; Vote: Luigi. Causing chaos is scummy.
Albatross!
I think he was joking with his backward post you three. I find your sudden jumping to conclusions and sudden vote a bit suspect (although I do concede that causing confusion like he did was scummy, LG's actions is less suspicious than the other two because of him pointing that out and not mentioning faking PRs either.)
AMENDMENT: Bruce, Azimuth, DBE and SpyreX have now also voted Luigi, so has Ironman, and I find his post the scummiest of everyone's (beating the first two):
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Ok, Luigi was definitly trying to fake a restriction. That calls for a Unvote, Vote Luigi Gangsta.
How do you know he was DEFINATLY trying to fake a restriction? He made one post that could have easily been a joke, way to try to fuel the rampant wagon with false statements, along with the goose chase you sent us on, you displace strappado into 2nd place on my scumlist.
FOS: Ironman
Btw, for those curious, my scumlist atm is, in order: Internet, Ironman, strappado, chenshi, farside, Elvis.
I don't think Luigi is scum, mostly due to how fast the wagon on him grew for very little reasoning, I feel it is scum fueled, which is why farside and Elvis appears on my scumlist, among other reasons.
chenhsi wrote:
Although I have nothing to say...
DING DING DING, there goes my scumdar!
DarlaBlueEyes wrote:
you smelly elderberry.
I indeed have a restriction.
I am not a liberty to discuss it with the likes of you but you shall see a change in my play dependent on the amount of votes on the main lynch candidate.
That is all, you may return to your hamster mums.
I'm fairly certain of what your restriction is, and therefore who your charachter is. But I'm not sure I buy it, why would he appear in a Flying Circus Mafia game?
AMEDMENT: You've confirmed my suspicions, so again, why would a French Taunter, a Holy Grail charachter, appear in a Flying Circus game?
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I think luigi should die. In a game where you are confused, why would you ADD to the confusion by typing backwards?
Poor posting, while Luigi may have made a mistake in adding confusion, I didn't find him too scummy, since we were all being silly at that point, everyone calling eachother Bruce, he made a reverse post for fun, going a bit over the top, but it wasn't scummy. Saying he should be lynched for it moves you past farside in my scumlist.
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Ohh it feels SOOO GOOD when they fall into it. SOOO GOOD
PLEASE ALL HEREIN READ THIS REVELATION:
Darla is full of it.
I, you silly eldeberry sniffers, am the http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S1yjT8XsDI8 ONE TRUE French Taunter.
It sucks coming out like this for it, but I'm not going to beat around the bush with it. I have a night action as well. I didn't want to get into it day 1, of course, but when someone else claims my role I sure as hell am going to jump on it.
So, this makes me believe that the scum weren't given fake claims as well. That's delicious.
This day 1 will go down in memory.
HUZZAH.
Confirm: DarlaBlueEyes - Thou are NOTS the taunter.
AHA! Now here's where things get really interesting. I think we can safely narrow down the lynch target to between DBE and SpyreX for today, though I shall continue to point out scummy actions by other players.
SpyreX counterclaimed DBE, which makes me think SpyreX is the true French Taunter, scum would have to be extremely ballsy/mad to counterclaim a role that isn't theirs. Plus, DBE has been generally scummier than SpyreX I think so far this game, SpyreX has been fairly protown, while before this, I was leaning on the scum side for DBE. BUT, DBE did have a PR, while SpyreX didn't (as far as I can see). In a game that is meant to be silly, I'd imagine a role like a French Taunter would be more likely to have a PR, since it's a fun and silly PR to have in a game, which swings it slightly back towards DBE for me. Also, DBE made it a little bit obvious what role she has/would fakeclaim by how obvious her (possibly fake) PR was. If SpyreX is the true French Taunter, would he have spotted what she may have been planning earlier because of the PR, and thought "Wait, is she trying to suggest that she has the role I really have?". It's quite suspicious. I still feel DBE is the more likely scum, but it's worth keeping the PR thing in the forefront of our minds, and tbh if DBE turns out to be telling the truth if we lynch her and SpyreX is a very ballsy scum, I will be kicking myself for not think he was scum because of the PR thing.
Unvote Vote: DBE
BUT, I actually have another theory in mind as well in this regard. What if they are BOTH scum? My alternative theory is that during Night 0, the scum, which include both DBE and SpyreX, came up with a mastermind plan to make one of them (SpyreX) a very trusted member of the town by setting up one of their own (DBE) to fakeclaim a role, then have SpyreX counterclaim that role, have DBE lynched, and when she comes up scum, BOOM, SpyreX becomes very trusted, maybe even confirmed as town. I'm actually reasonably confident that this theory may be true for two reasons:
A) SpyreX not counterclaiming the French Taunter role earlier. Really, with how obvious it was that DBE was going to claim that role because of the PR she may have been faking, I'd really think, if SpyreX is really a French Taunter, he'd have noticed this earlier and claimed that he thinks DBE is scum because of it. The PR made the charachter associated with it fairly unmistakeable.
You know, this case oddly has some merit considering. All I know is my role.B) I feel this one is the more compelling reason: Ealier I asked, why would the French Taunter, who is a Holy Grail charachter, appear in a Flying Circus Game? My answer: There is a Monty Python Movie Mafia Team. I feel this makes sense, I can't think of many groups of people who would have reason to start killing Flying Circus charachters, but the flavour may be that the movie charachters may be sick of Flying Circus charachters stealing part of the MP limelight, especially since MP discontinued the Flying Circus, and THEN went onto making movies. The movie charachters may feel the Flying Circus should be killed off because it is unfairly still stealing MP limelight even though it has been discontinued, so they may feel it is time to finish them off. Further evidence of this is that if this is true, and SpyreX is really the French Taunter and is in such a scumgroup, he will never be counterclaimed because he has that role.
I'll ask this one question though:
(Without saying what or from what) Does ANYONE else have roles from any of the movies (not FC).-
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My biggest problem with this is, DBE has eluded to it being a modkill. So,I have a thought. Just a thought mind you. Why don't we test DBE, PR. Let's unvote her (for the moment), she in turn must still talk without taughting to one person (just one post DBE) and tell us what happens if anything the Mod does for breaking the PR.
**Mind you this doesn't clear DBE, but the fact that she has be doing the PR since the game started makes me want to give her a bit of a chance.
1.) She wont agree.
2.) She'll agree and it doesn't happen.
3.) She agrees and gets modkilled.
None of these really help us. I think DBE is scum, but either way solving it by a modkill isn't a good idea.
I thought I was pretty clear. Claiming like that is bad. Softclaiming without divulging all the details is, well, worse. If they're going to go half-way, might as well finish the job and give us some information and a tool to use.Why do we need to know this?
Now, onto the both of us scum case:
1.) The French Taunter's quotes are very obvious python. I could have seen people putting them in their posts for a myriad of reasons.A) SpyreX not counterclaiming the French Taunter role earlier. Really, with how obvious it was that DBE was going to claim that role because of the PR she may have been faking, I'd really think, if SpyreX is really a French Taunter, he'd have noticed this earlier and claimed that he thinks DBE is scum because of it. The PR made the charachter associated with it fairly unmistakeable.
2.) I dont have a PR, so I wanted to see if/when she would do it.
3.) I, of course, thought maybe there was a CHANCE of a similar role or something of the like. She could have been "French Leader" or something that would have had the PR but not been my EXACT role.
You know, this case oddly has some merit considering. All I know is my role.B) I feel this one is the more compelling reason: Ealier I asked, why would the French Taunter, who is a Holy Grail charachter, appear in a Flying Circus Game?
I'll ask this one question though:
(Without saying what or from what) Does ANYONE else have roles from any of the movies (not FC).-
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There could be dozens of reasons for putting in flavor. Its a MP game, for petes sake. Until the moment you claimed my exact role, I was willing to let it slide.Why did you not say something before hand when you saw a consistent French Taunter flavor in my posts? Did you not get suspicious?
You never answered this question, if we're playing this game:
Why, PR aside, didn't you come up with meaningful content on your own? That sure seems like a pretty good way to be helpful town without breaking the PR.-
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This, honestly, baffles me. So, if I'm right about DBE, you want to hang me, but if I'm wrong its OK?If she is scum, i will vote Spyrex, sorry Spyrex, but i think it is more likely you 2 are in this together than Darla for some reason fake claiming from day one without reason. If they are in this together, they would probably expect this massive play to clear the one of them that survives at the cost of the life of the other but i won't buy it.
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Ok, my case on DBE:
1.) You didn't ever address my question about providing content.
2.) You claimed the exact same role as me, but with a different function.
3.) You somehow have a PR when I do not.
4.) You make suggestions that there are two of the exact same role, yet you ask me questions implying that there isn't (why didn't I say something sooner)
5.) Your flavor regarding breaking your PR is not the same as everyone else.
Why these bother me:
1.) A PR is no excuse to not provide content.
2.) I'm still new, but the only time I've seen the same role is when it is the EXACT same (I've read a lot of games not on here too).
3.) Why would you have a PR and I not if we are the same role?
4.) You play both sides of the fence on this issue: I do not think there are two French Taunters, period.
5.) Why is this different from the other townsfolk that have PR's? In fact, why is most things about your claim different from the other people? I don't think the mod would actively be screwing with us, so.
Now: Luigi Gangster - When DBE does flip scum, you're next.
1.) You setup a case where if I am right, you want me hung.
2.) Your other alternative is easy enough to say - if I'm wrong, the town WILL and SHOULD probably hang me because, yes, the chances of two of the same role are low and you could distance yourself from it.
3.) You, too, haven't provided much content (and most of your content has revolved around faking a PR).
4.) The majority of your other posts are noise with no signal.
Dear town,
I've got a question for you. I HAVE to use my night action to taunt. I've got a couple people I'm thinking of.
1.) Would you like me to say who and why.
2.) Would you like me to just say who I am going to taunt, without reason.
3.) Would you like me to just do it, and not say a word?
If there is other options, sure, let me know.
It's pretty obvious why I wouldn't out myself before she claimed my exact role. I AM a power role with the potential of being very useful. I was not about to let a claim like that go however.
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Woo, something to post to (my games are dead right now)
I've got the main assumption for my arguments: The scum were not given claims.I have said clearly that i don't believe it would make any sense for Darla to fake a PR right from her first post if she was scum by herself, it could possibly help her lynch the true french taunter but more than likely get her lynched so she would have no reason to do it. And how would she even think that up from the start of the game along with the PR?.
So, with that in mind, lets look at the game. Before DBE posts AT ALL Albatross and Bruce come into it with their post restrictions. Hell, at that point even I could be said to have a PR (I was joking with the something completely different).
Lets look at her first two posts, as well:ahh, we have begun!!!
Voteth:Iron Man
what be this man made of Iron? Surely it is the work of evil.
Neither of those really show the PR. Hell, her 2 and 3 posts ALSO dont. So, lets not say from post 1.How darest thou correct a lady!!
vote: mirth for disrespect!
SHAME!!
Now, as scum, why fake a PR?
Its a shield. Especially one like the one she's claiming (a method to avoid delivering content).
Also, with multiple PR's it would make sense to do one. And... follow me here... think about Monty Python. Think about what had been said up to that point. What would be a pretty damn obvious PR? You got it. The taunter.
You really think I'm expecting to get off scott free because of this? I hope not. That'd be bad play from the town. I'll be watched based on my actions - and yes, before lylo I guarantee a good town will use at least one investigative role on me. Hell, in this case, why would I claim a provable power role?It would however make sense if she had a scum buddy who was also pretending to be a French Taunter, they could both accuse each other, one of them would enevitably be lynched at the end of day 1, and the other would go the rest of the game without suspicion, i.e one sacrifices themself to save the other suspicion for the rest of the game.
Assuming a passing knowledge of Monty Python, pretty high, actually. The taunter is one of the most remembered roles of Holy Grail which is, of course, the most well known Python movie.Another interesting point, what are the chances that of all the Monty Python characters, she fakes your one, and upon seeing the character in the Holy Grail sketch give it the same name the mod gave it? The chances are that if she was on her own and faking a Monty Python character that from all the characters in all the Monty Python movies and TV shows, she would pick one that was not given to one of us.
The flipside to this, and what I've been saying: Given all the characters and roles and everything else, why would we have TWO french taunters? Why?
I believe she's a roleblocker faking the taunter because she had no real role to give in a flavorful situation. Again, I should not and will not be freed of suspicion by a good town by this.I believe that if she is faking the French Taunter, you guys would be in it together, a clever strat that would require planning from before the game started. This would benefit the scum of this game because you would be cleared of suspicion for the rest of the game, if Darla was scum by herself she would have nothing to gain from faking French Taunter, the risks would outweigh the benefits.
The fact you've been scummy this game independently of this issue and the fact you said to hang me if I'm scum? Yea, thats pretty good day 1 if I'd say so myself.How am I next if Darla is found to be scum? It would make far more sense that you are in it with Darla than me.
She was garnering suspicion. You ARE garnering suspicion. Every day you two manage to not get lynched is a day that helps the scum overall. It's the flipside of the bussing argument.If i was scum with Darla:
Why would she go into all the effort to fake French Taunter with little to gain and so much to lose? Why would I still tell everyone that she is innocent when she is about to die and be found guilty? Wouldn't I distance myself from her to clear me of suspicion and vote for her myself?
So, BOTH of us faking a role that is likely to be in the game makes more sense than her getting caught on a bad claim? Or are you saying the taunter is a scum role and I told my POWER ROLE SCUM PARTNER to claim the same role to free me? (P.S. If I was scum I sure wouldn't sacrifice my ROLEBLOCKER day 1).If you were scum with Darla:
That would explain her irrational decision to fake the French Taunter, a strat planned by the both of you which makes a whole lot more sense than her faking it on her own. You are voting for her and have distanced yourself from her as much as possible to make the strat work most effectively. It also explains why the two roles would have different abilities, you are both faking and decided to make them different with the same name, so we would figure that both of them couldn't be legitimate so we would lynch one of you on like you planned.
Why would the mod give two power roles that are, of course, going to get each other hung if the alignment is the same? I haven't played in games with shaft.ed but that seems like a very bizarre play to me. I dont know why "the mod fucking with us" is your most likely case.If neither of you are scum, which i believe is the most likely option:
These previous arguments are irrelevant, Darla will be proved innocent.
The mod will be having a laugh, he will have made both the French Taunters have different abilities to create suspicion and get them both lynched. This would have been easy for the mod to do, would require far less planning than you two faking it together and make far more sense than Darla faking it herself.
I'm not saving it. I'm making it clear right now based on your play. Yes, it is going to be an easy push to get me lynched if Darla is innocent AND yes, I expect it to happen if she is. However, the way it goes will give some definite benefit to the town AND, of course, I'm not going to buddy up to you because you're defending me. You've been behaving scummy and this doesn't change that to me.I never said that, and never will. That would be an easy case to make considering how quickly everyone hopped on the Darla wagon, and how everyone believes that one of you is scum, so that if she is innocent they will immediately suspect you. However, if Darla is proven innocent, I will defend you and follow other leads, and if i don't you can make a case against me for lying. If Darla is innocent, which i believe will happen, us 2 will stop accusing each other and both have to fend off the massive band wagon that will probably start against you.
But let's save most of the 'if Darla is scum then you are in it with her' arguments for when Darla gets lynched, because if she gets proven innocent all those arguments will be irrelevant and we will have wasted a whole lot of time arguing a moot point.
I'm not telling the town to kill me - it is a logical conclusion. In a game with this many roles assuming two power roles with the same name exist and are the same alignment (P.S. this is what you've said) is nowhere near Occam's Razor. I dont think the mod is screwing with us, I think we've hit a definite lynch-worthy issue day 1 and if I am wrong (the mod is screwing with us) I honestly dont expect the town to believe me - part of why I'm being this direct now is because on that offchance I am wrong I want the town to read this after I am lynched; namely, hanging you.Another thing about this post, you seem overly confident that she will be proven guilty, i.e you are telling us to kill you if she doesn't. This futhers my belief that you are both in the same boat, i.e you are either both scum so you know she will be found guilty and can safely make point number 2 without being lynched the next day. Or you are both innocent and neither of you can believe that the mod would have given you the same role with a different ability so you both genuinely believe that the other is scum so you are throwing it all on the line to get her lynched.
Why you said what you said isn't the crux. It's the end results of it.
If I am right, I'm killing a scum and your response is to kill a claimed power role.
If I am wrong, I've killed a power role and your response is to let me (who would be very suspicious at that point) live.
That plan makes a lot of sense as scum. Not so much as town.
(Yes I am irritated because I was floored by your statements - if, between the two of you, there isn't scum I am going to get a shafted voodoo doll AND cry myself to sleep)-
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I did think of another scenario where the events of today make sense although, in general, I hate bringing it up because it tends to cripple discussion:
DBE COULD be a jester.
Now, this DOES make everything today make sense, but I personally dont want to believe it. Jester is one of those roles that makes a town disintegrate... but it does make it all make sense.-
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