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In post 463, Lurker wrote:(Also, Who Would I watch? Early in the DP, nobody needs watched more then any other person at the time.)
Couldn't sleep and read the thread. Obviously holding off game-related content for now, but I bust a gut reading this.
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(I missed this) EBWoP:In post 568, Agent_Ireland wrote:I'm busy for the next couple of days.My opinions on everyone hasn't really changed. Anything I could say has already been said.
Stop doing that. You're either coasting Scum or unhelpful Town, and it's AntiTown play either way. I don't care how busy you are, you haven't postedonescum read all game even though it takes all of 20 seconds to go: "The players I think are scummiest are X, Y, and Z. I'll explain later."I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 572, Mehdi2277 wrote:In post 564, Baby Spice wrote:In post 555, Mehdi2277 wrote:I suspect you. Jal the main person who argued might be voting elsewhere but that is not a reason for me to stop pushing you.
Actually you're last ten to fifteen posts are trying to stir Jal up against me. No one else.
No, this is why she's scummy. Nothing.
Just you trying to stir Jal up against me.
That you continue whilst denying it is scummy as hell.
SC's posts and votes are not town SC, but then that could be explained by SC's "replace out" post.
But Medhi trying to stir up an arguement like he is.
Vote Medhi
Scum medhi means conf town Jal, since no scum would stir up an argument like that involving a buddy.
So I'm supposed to be saying my action is scummy and if I don't I'm even scummier. And you can call it stirring up against you or me wanting her to vote you. Yes I want you to look suspicious to others when I think your scummy.
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Goal of the first couple quotes to me is? I've already changed reads on the player I was referring to with that.
What would you rather me call Xis's vote? I think it's obvious I was criticizing the lurker wagon there.
Although the argument to definition on SK vs just scum on wagon is weak. Do you think it's scummy to treat a SK as scum for wagon checking purposes?
First post is probably pretty pointless since we're in late D1. I'm just used to replying to stuff like that, since the discussion it generates is usually good RVS icebreaking stuff. That said, it does matter (although only a little) even if you've changed stances, since you could just as easily change back.
I'd rather you call Xis, well, Xis. Adding "the sheep" to the end of his name doesn't criticize theLurker wagon, it criticizesXisand paints him as either Scum or weak-willed/derptown. It's like Baby's repeated use of "strange" that got called out earlier.
Depends on the context. Baby was using that data to help push Jal's wagon and/or to get more focus on the people on Lurker's wagon. Since (at least on D1) SKs aren't usually privy to information the Town doesn't have, I feel they should be treated as such in terms of VCA. In short, she was using bad data to help build a wagon on Jal and/or get attention off of Lurker, which I do feel is scummy.
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In post 581, Mehdi2277 wrote:Considering it was in the context of comparing wagons it was meant to criticize the wagon.
I think her treating SK as scum is a weak detail thing, but overall we agree at least.
I see where you're coming from with that.
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In post 570, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
In post 216, Mogadishu Jones wrote:I dont look for scumtells, but scum mindsets.
This x1000. Scumtells are manifestations of Scum mindsets, and it drives me up the wall when people go on about scumtells for days. Chase the people instead of their shadows, so to speak. Currently, this is very relevant to Lurker's claim. Not claiming full info under pressure is usually a scumtell, yes, but any Scum mindset that would prompt him to do that here could be a Town mindset just as easily.
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Lurker feels very tonally Town, but his actions are closer to null/slightly Scum. All in all, slight town lean.[/spoiler]
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In post 586, Baby Spice wrote:In post 580, TehBrawlGuy wrote:@Spice Spice Baby: How exactly did you reach the figure of 72%?
Went back through the mini theme queue and looked at completed games, using the first vote count post that had a wagon of at least four people for my data points.
Then just counted and divided and all that good stuff.
Mini games are remarkably consistant in their format which is why I feel this sort of approach works. Actually, it was a game where a player declared there were three scum because there usually is three scum in a mini that got me thinking about it. (Turned out a scum tell for him in a mini was being vague about the number of scum in a mini)
I counted the SK as scum, though I will grant that counting an SK as town might have been better. As it was there was only one SK in the set anyway so it made little difference.
I'm reasonable happy with the result since in a 3:10 format (By far the most common mini format) any random grouping of four players has a 71% chance of having at least one scum in it. (Not that that is anything more than an indication that the rough and ready survey of the games is about right)
Pretty sure that most of this is mentioned earlier, but I can forgive you if you skimmed over it a little.
and Medhi, I do believe I stated that I specifically wanted to look at the first wagon to get to four votes.
(Ok, a quick check shows that it was more implied)
I didn't skim it, but I read the whole thread at like 04:00 in my timezone and I was super tired. My notes were pretty derpy, so I imagine a lot was lost. I had a couple posts flagged as scummy/town that were totally not. (sometimes even the opposite!)
You know you just defeated your own argument, though, right? If I can get a 71% chance of a Scum being in any 4 names I draw out of a hat, I don't really need to focus on the first 4 people on a wagon so I can get a ~71% chance of one of them being Scum.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 592, Baby Spice wrote:In post 588, TehBrawlGuy wrote:You know you just defeated your own argument, though, right? If I can get a 71% chance of a Scum being in any 4 names I draw out of a hat, I don't really need to focus on the first 4 people on a wagon so I can get a ~71% chance of one of them being Scum.
Of course most of that was in this post.
Including the answer to your follow up question.
So you knew mathematically that it was no better than drawing from a hat, yet still trusted it under flawed logic? The point I'm trying to make is that since:
In post 586, Baby Spice wrote:in a 3:10 format ... any random grouping of four players has a 71% chance of having at least one scum in it.
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ebwop:In post 593, UberNinja wrote:In post 576, Mehdi2277 wrote:Getting me confused with someone? I don't think I've ever played that game.
http://drawception.com/player/7790/shana/
Don't lie to me!
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In post 600, Mehdi2277 wrote:How many times does he need to call you on it?
*shrug* I suppose I've trained him well enough that he'll call it for me.
As amusing as it is, though, he really is active lurking and sidestepping actually commenting on current events by pointing out he's active lurking.
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Brawler duder, what is your interpretation of baby's motivation to get off my lynch and start a new bandwagon?
Self-preservation. She's deader than the Cowboys playoff dreams if she can't getanyother case rolling.
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In post 605, Mehdi2277 wrote:And wasn't that from a. a while ago when you were playing and tbg wasn't and b. already explained.
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In post 614, Jal wrote:Also, still thinking Baby's switch is town. Given the double vote on me and Uber, why leave?
Haven't looked at the other person's meta though. Maybe their alt says strange as scum like they're in Assassin's Creed too.
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In post 618, Jal wrote:In post 616, Mehdi2277 wrote:So explain how spice calling your vote bs after wagon analyzing isn't different then not saying it immediately to your don't say every little thing I think?
The wagon on you really hasn't gone anywhere so that's why leave.
First off, she tried to make it like she looked at the wagon and looked at the posts to see who was scummy on them. Yeah, not analogous. To even get to the vote count and see the wagon, she would have to read my post first which he apparently thought was bullshit, so my logic is - why not roll off of that? Didn't need to bring statistics into it.
Brawl person: And start a wagon on Medhi? At that point, I don't think the wagon looked that likely.
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In post 621, Jal wrote:She had three votes on her. Not really, "caught." And I don't think voting for MEHDI out of all things to be the next rational choice.
The lack of rationality in it is what makes it feel Scum to me. Town Baby stays on you, while Scum Baby attempts to put as many up for lynch as possible to get better odds.
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In post 625, Baby Spice wrote:In post 570, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
In post 564, Baby Spice wrote:
Scum medhi means conf town Jal, since no scum would stir up an argument like that involving a buddy.
I find these kinds of statements are incredibly dangerous. (and made often by Scum, to boot)
...it also confirms Jal as town. .
Really?
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I'll tell you why any statement like these is bad:
1) It's arrogant as all hell. You, right now, are cocksure you've gotten 2/3 Scum (and an innocent!) pegged on D1, while the entire rest of the game isn't even sure about one. Do you truly think you arethatmuch better at this game than all of us? The reason none of us are that sure is because...
2) ...the game is just not that simple. Even if Medhi IS Scum and doing exactly what you say he is, which is a stretch in the first place, he could have many other reasons to do it besides saving ScumSC. He could be simply trying to take an easy lynch on you today, thinking an SC lynch wouldn't be hard to pull off tomorrow, he could be buddying TownSC, he could be framing TownSC so that when he dies he implicates SC, etc.
3) There are no such things as absolutes. Short of mod confirmations, un-CCed/dead Seers in Open games, and other such things, you can never be absolutely sure. Jal definitely could be Medhi's scumbuddy. (although I doubt it) I've seen and done crazy busses, the reason they work is because people say "Oh, that's impossible. X must be Town.", while I laugh my ass off in wolfchat.
4) Planning lynches past today does nothing but help Scum. Again, assume absolute best case scenario; Medhi's scum, you convince everyone, and we lynch him. The scum gets not only all of the Night phase, but also all of today (do Scum have daytalk?) to prepare for tomorrow. If SC's actually Scum, they know without a doubt you're going to go for him hard, and right out of the gate. If he's Town, they know they can sit back and lol while you attempt to lynch a townie.
In post 631, Baby Spice wrote:In post 630, Mehdi2277 wrote:In post 579, Mehdi2277 wrote:Now since it's part of why you're being fosed, I noticed it was never asked, and the question was loaded since I can't see a good answer.
Anddiverting and showing scummy are pretty much the same thingjust worded differently with different connotations. Even if they were separate the motive is the same. I want you lynched.
Just wanted to make sure no one missed that.
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Oops, missed a quote.
In post 629, Baby Spice wrote:
I can, and will if needed, show clearly and concisely that diverting Jal is what you were trying to do.
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In post 635, Mehdi2277 wrote:I'm actually not against chaining lynches as long as the idea is based on one scum flip being true (if you're going to say if he flips town the other will flip scum that's just an easy way to get two mislynches, but if requires a scum flip either you're bussing or know it won't work so it's not as scummy). Anyways another problem with it is why vote me when SC is easier to lynch if she truly believes that.
It's not that thinking "If X is scum lynch Y." is bad, it's that posting it to the thread for everyone to see is. Scum can use that information the second you post it, but Town can't use it until the next phase. Mind-to-Mouth (Mind-to-Fingers?) filters should be in place for townies too.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 639, Jake from State Farm wrote:why can't we just keep the wagon on SC? there is nothing wrong with the SC wagon. I don't oppose a mehdi lynch either cause something about his posts rub me the wrong way, but my gut says SC is scum and my gut is usually right
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In post 647, Jal wrote:Brawl is just being a jack ass. He knows the case.
I legitimately don't/didn't, and I really don't appreciate you speaking for me.
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In post 661, Jal wrote:20WHOLEpages?! Oh deary deary gosh!!!!!111111 Even if he just remembered the people he suspected most, he would should remember the questoning/see it in ISOs of her. Fact is, the SC case has been stated by me, you, and Baby has some some vague shit on it. Jake's questioning doesn't count. I have stated the case again. If he is so tired that he can't remember any of these shit posts, if he doesn't, refer back to horrible replacement/scum bit..
Lurker, if you have time to do that analysis over information crap, then you have time to actually interact with people here as they actually say things or give more lengthy responses.
Going over walls and through Annachie's ISO today.
If you're so insistent about everyone reading everything, why aren't you up in UN's face? He's asking for a summary of the entire game after having prod dodged for days. I asked for one case after posting damn good content.
By the by, the reason for my 'faux internet sensitivities' is because this is mafia. You misrepped me by speaking for me, and additionally, Scum benefit much more from inciting an argument. Once two people start fighting, it stops having to do with t
In post 667, Jal wrote:Also, I totally have been playing that drawception game, and played one with Brawl in fact. Better drawer than I am.
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In post 670, Jal wrote:Mostly because he is usually useless in every game I've been with him in until the last day or so. Not intentionally "misrepresenting" when it looked like you were being a sarcastic ass. Also, no one was going to fight. What would they fight about regarding that argument? Whatever whatever. This is useless.
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In [url=http[list=]://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4604650#p4604650]post 659[/url], Jal wrote: you and your faux internet sensitivities can fuck off.
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in addition to calling someone an ass and saying they're a horrible replacement being fightin' words. I'm not pissed, but it definitely crossed my mind that you may have wanted me to be for strategical reasons.
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In post 682, Jal wrote:Your "faux-sensitivities" happened before all of that. So how would I be starting an argument beforehand?
Added relevant quote.
In post 668, TehBrawlGuy wrote:By the by, the reason for my 'faux internet sensitivities' is because this is mafia. You misrepped me by speaking for me, and additionally, Scum benefit much more from inciting an argument. Once two people start fighting, it stops having to do with t
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In post 685, Jal wrote:In post 683, TehBrawlGuy wrote:What else do you expect to happen by telling someone whom you think is sensitive to fuck off?
No.
Let's look at your post again:
In post 668, TehBrawlGuy wrote:By the by, the reason for my 'faux internet sensitivities' is because this is mafia. You misrepped me by speaking for me,and additionally, Scum benefit much more from inciting an argument. Once two people start fighting, it stops having to do with t
You were upset by me speaking on your behalf. I called this "faux sensitivity" and I called you out later for your comments afterward. My replies to you after calling you a jackass aren't relevant to your post. Given your comment here, you can only be referring to me calling you a jackass about the SC case. So, explain to me how calling you a jack ass would create an argument.
Oh, I get it. The underlined was mostly referring to the 'fuck off' part. The reason I put that in the same sentence is that you called me an ass completely unprompted. Given your posts which followed it and hindsight, the first post looks a lot like you trying to start something. At the time I thought it was just you being a crankypants.
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In post 696, Jal wrote:UNVOTE:
Actually, I just realize we have 8 days. We can scum search knowing there is a confirmed scum who really just wants to end discussion.
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In post 702, Jal wrote:He obviously wants the day to end early too. Fact is, it's more beneficial for scum right now to end the day and end the flow of conversation. Also, I might just die tonight for pointing out his scum slip.
If we don't end up using all our time on D2, it's a waste.
I just thought of it, but I'm not sure I like this. It falls under the same reasoning that planning lynches ahead does. Scum probably are loaded with PRs thanks to the set-up, and I don't really want them knowing exactly where to aim them. Additionally, if they have nighttalk only, (do scum have daytalk? I don't think this was answered) letting them converseafterhearing our plans rather than before is disadvantageous.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 705, Jal wrote:Your reasoning doesn't make sense.
This isn't planning lynches. It's deducing who is scum before going into night. I can just easily argue that this will help investigative roles do their job. As I've said before, I doubt the set up on D1 as created to be uneven. It's the mechanics regarding the cards and how they're powered up and exchanged along with some of the randomness that makes the game swingy.
We're not coming up with "plans." We're talking about who is probably a scum partner. What? You think we'll pick some people who are town as being scum and prevent them from being killed or something? Because, it's very likely they wouldn't have been killed anyway due to the fact we think they're scummy anyhow.
I'll propose the same to you: If we don't use up all of D1, that would be a waste. Why wait for more townies to be killed? Are you hoping for Baby Spice to be night killed for some fantastical reason to eliminate a scum read?
Your reasoning, my dear, is shit, and it goes against what you said for D2.
Please tell me how we are going to give more info for scum to aim. They know who is scum and who is town unless there is a SK. They know who is a threat already. They know who has pointed them out as scum already.
It's very obvious Lurker wants to end the day early for his own motivations. You can't tell me this would be beneficial for scum when scum want to end the fucking day.
Singling out people as top suspicions just means Scum know who to tailor/watch/bus/protect/commute/etc. better, since. As of right now, they don't really have the best targets. Baby's pretty up there, then there's a smattering of stuff behind her, since we haven't really come to any consensus. As far as Town roles, Cop and Vidge just need to be on anyone scummy or AntiTown to be effective, Tracker is less effective if Scum know who's trackerbait, and Watcher and Doc just need to be on anyone Town, etc. It's a lot harder to effectively use PRs as Scum.
They may know who is Scum and who is Town, but they don't know how that differs from what we think, unless we tell them.
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In post 727, Lurker wrote:In post 724, Jal wrote:I'll help you out here UberDuber:
In post 307, Lurker wrote:My 1-shot ability Is watcher.
In post 656, Lurker wrote:#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.
In post 674, Jal wrote:Whoa whoa whao. STOP THE THREAD. Did anyone else actually read what Lurker wrote in his big posts?
In post 656, Lurker wrote:#307 I say the eletric company is 1-shot Tracker.
PLEASE DO EXPLAIN THIS TO ME, LURKER FRIEND
In post 691, Lurker wrote:Truant: "[...] scum can play really well and only make one mistake. That's all that is necessary as not every post will be scummy. All you need is one solid slip and you can find scum.
In post 695, Lurker wrote:VOTE: LURKER
You forgot the intensly sarcastic things that made argument with fixed mindsets useless since you would not think such things seriously.
Vote: Jal
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In post 736, Mehdi2277 wrote:Oh and adding jake how am I scummy for defending lurker a lot? I thought he was town so I defended him. I gave reasons for the defense back then too that you could have argued more at the time if you didn't believe them and found him scummiest.
Tbg role spec probably won't help considering the nature of the role (and I think people said to not cc even if you were a watcher). Multiple people with the same role when it's 1 shot is something I find believable.
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In post 766, Cheery Dog wrote:^probable lurker scumbuddy
In post 758, UberNinja wrote:hey morons, get your votes the fuck back on Jal plz
Who are you insulting here from not voting Jal? If I'm to believe the votecounts, there's only one person who has voted Jal that's currently not there and they left it shortly after you replaced in, so how do we get our votes "back" onto Jal?
I don't think he'd be that blatant about it.
@Lurker: Ctrl-C + Ctrl-V please. It takes up waaaaay less space when it's all condensed into one post. Explain why the 'scum posts' are such. I don't really see any problem with them.
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In post 786, Lord Mhork wrote:But he took that horrible post and used it to confirm lurker as town. The way he phrased itheavilyimplied that he had read what lurker wrote and felt it came from a townie. He then backtracked saying that lurker was scum based on the first couple pages. It looks really, really bad.
If he were Scum, though, he'd know the severity of Lurker's slip/the scumclaim and almost certainly wouldn't even attempt a save. Maybe if he was trying to WIFOM his way into Townie status, but that's a longshot.
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In post 792, Jake from State Farm wrote:Funny lurker mentions lurking and who shows up...
Lurker, you just need to stfu. I'm not active lurking, I responded to a post directed at me. You are trolling and are starting to annoy me. Can we end this day already?
Q, save the read, lurker admitted to being scum. He botched his claim. Lets do this already
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In post 851, UberNinja wrote:BrawlGuy, you too. You seem like a decent fellow and I'd hate for you to be scum this game.
Because then you'd have to die.
Anyway, either way, bussing your buddy Jal early will help you in the long run.
Uh, I'd rather be on the confirmed Scum wagon than the wagon on the guy who found the confirmed scum. Acting like an arrogant prick and threatening me does not help convince me. Try something other than mindless bullying, kthx.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 571, TehBrawlGuy wrote:(I missed this) EBWoP:In post 568, Agent_Ireland wrote:I'm busy for the next couple of days.My opinions on everyone hasn't really changed. Anything I could say has already been said.
Stop doing that. You're either coasting Scum or unhelpful Town, and it's AntiTown play either way. I don't care how busy you are, you haven't postedonescum read all game even though it takes all of 20 seconds to go: "The players I think are scummiest are X, Y, and Z. I'll explain later."
Saying you'll explain later is the exact same thing, and in my opinion actually a worse version of those two options. Though the lack of any scum reads does make it true what you've said, but I still hate those that say they'll explain later and not straight away.
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Just saying "I'll post something later." is, but giving a few reads is better than nothing, and it helps clarify when used with a very small amount of content. Just saying "I think X, Y, and Z are scummiest" without telling us you're too busy to go into detail on it isn't terribly helpful.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 930, Jal wrote:I thought I would throw this out here for discussion: I got a new card today. An actual card, not some community chest dealio. Cards can't be exchanged between players so I'm wondering what happened here.
The dead players' cards might not go out of play if they die, then.
In post 931, Jal wrote:When I went into N1, I was thinking Agent Ireland was scum.
One thing that makes me think Jake is not scum is if he DID he a mistake, why bring up the past at all?
TBG I had townie feelings for the same reasons as Baby - mentioning the community chest cards.
I don't think I ever mentioned them, though. Am I forgetting something?
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In post 955, Jal wrote:I don't think the fact he is not around is a scum tell so much what the implications of that mean.
The person you replaced did, TBG.
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In post 998, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 992, Mehdi2277 wrote:Who do you currently think is town?
(note: I haven't ordered these this time)
Jal, Xis, Mhork, you (now that I'm in the game better, and interacting with you, I think I might have got the day 1 read wrong), and still slightly robert slot.
AI and numQ still haven't produced enough content for me to get a read of them, and I'm starting to think scum instead.
Jake's actions today have confused me slightly as well, and he has dropped into the nuller sections of my reads.
and that probably means I should be doing this as my now biggest scumread.
VOTE: TheBrawlGuy
Nobody by that name is playing.
Can whoever got the railroad that Lurker had claim now?
Starting Safety Dance/Robert ISO.
In post 1016, Mehdi2277 wrote:Cheery actually can likely guess why I did that. The chances of me being rb are a lot lower then one of us being scum.
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In post 1030, SafetyDance wrote:Why would my slot be roleblocked?
*shrug*
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In post 1077, guille2015 wrote:In post 1076, Mehdi2277 wrote: It would seem that Baby got vigged, and I can completely understand why that was. Who ever did that should claim it, if they haven't done so already.
I would definitely not. Usually this gets us a 100% clear Townie, but with roles being random that's not a sure thing. I'd guess whoever did it is Town, though, due to the seemingly obv. ProTown motivation behind it.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 1098, Lord Mhork wrote:
TBG, do you really think that the mod would let a Vig possibly be scum. I'd wager that killing would be a passive ability for a townie or possibly serial killer. Scum Vig just seems way too powerful.
It's in the rules that he would, so yes.
Vigilante is the single best Town PR in the right hands, extra 'lynches' are incredibly powerful.
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In post 1291, Mehdi2277 wrote:He's the first person to claim a power that seems similar to mine (although not in an obvious way at all). The power is completely useless unless we're really off on how deeds works but beyond the weakness the use doesn't seem that strange.
UNVOTE: CheeryVOTE: Monkey Mostly I'm fine going through with either of AI or numberQ's slots. I can add more to why beyond other lynches being less appealing and if both replacements haven't done much outside of introducing themselves then vanishing.
And safety the point of a vig kill is to kill scum. Some people might advocate policy vigging (mostly since seeing someone shoot a town read since he disagrees isn't fun), but if you check vig shot histories the majority are based that player's scum reads even if the town disagrees (sometimes the fact town disagrees is a reason to shoot them even more).
The point of a vigilante is to shoot AntiTown players so that the days run smoothly, and ProScum (i.e. Scummy) if there are no/few AntiTown players.
I"m just still baffled by Jal claiming Vigilante after she's assuming Scum have a roleblocker by not lynching Medhi. I really don't like it. It seems possibly worth it to lynch her, since even if she's Town, it probably gets the card somewhere it won't be blocked. (whereas Scum may have card stealing/snatching powers or etc) I mean, you guys can't tell me two trackers, two watchers, and at least one vigil are out there without something to counterbalance it all.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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In post 1305, Lord Mhork wrote:Also, brawly, if you're assuming that cards go random, why would you want to risk it flying into scum hands?
PEdit:
Holy shit! Park place? Really? Lucky! I wonder what it does in conjunction with boardwalk...
And basically what she said.
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In post 1311, Jal wrote:There is no reason for me, as scum or serial killer, to bring up the fact I have a vig card.
If I'm scum A) There is no reason to make-up a BS killing card claim suddenly when I haven't been tracked to a kill, or significant suspecion on me or whatever. I'd also be setting myself up to be CC killed during the night.
If I am SK B) I have no idea why I would tell scum who I am so they can try to night kill their competition.
If you think I am scum or the serial killer, then vote me. Otherwise, it just looks like you're putting suspicion onto me and encouraging others to vote for me without adding weight to the argument itself. It's scummy as shit. Last time I'll address this.
While it's true that you wouldn't make it up, there's absolutely reason for you to claim a vigilante card if you did actually get one, especially with trackers and watchers everywhere. You're almost certainly getting watched tonight, which means much more wide open killing for Scum on other targets, barring WIFOM in the actions. It's ballsy as all hell, but not impossible by any means. Why did you claim it, anyway?I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.-
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I don't recalling seeing it, could you link me or re-state?
In post 1346, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Secondly, I'm most definitely allowed to say "I don't like X" without being sure enough to vote on it. Getting defensive and threatening towards thatdoes nothelp.
Say it all you want. Doesn't take away how you look scummy as shit for doing it. Threatening? You really are a dramatic one.
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I try.
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In post 1377, SafetyDance wrote:In post 1369, Lord Mhork wrote:Why is there a giant wagon on mehdi? 0.o
In post 1370, TehBrawlGuy wrote:People like to follow roles blindly without scumhunting or using any logic.
(see: policy lynching millers)
I found two guys who haven't read a thing this day! Ignorance slip *hi5*
I see you missed where I posted that literally everything else about Medhi, besides the Tracker discrepancy, is Town.
In post 1382, SafetyDance wrote:In post 1368, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
Tonally Town, content post-early D1 is Town,1-shot Doc claim is Town. Tracker result is weird, but I'm chalking it up to a roleblocker.
Ya rly?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4348301
I don't have any context for that, though. Under what circumstances did he claim, and so on?
In post 1384, Jake from State Farm wrote:In post 1370, TehBrawlGuy wrote:People like to follow roles blindly without scumhunting or using any logic.
(see: policy lynching millers)
Policy lynching millers is one of the best policies ever
Millers are the same as cits post-Cop death, or cits in games with no Cop. You use your brain to figure out whether or not they are scummy, rather than hoping a PR delivers Scum to you on a silver platter. Post-D1 Miller claims are fine to lynch, but we shouldn't get too much into mafia meta.
In post 1395, Jal wrote:TBG my reasoning is essentially in here:
In post 1265, Jal wrote:When I made my first post of the day, it was actually before I got my card. About a minute before to be exact. I would have still have said the same thing about the vig stuff, I think because a Baby Spice scum kill is weird. Also, not really being sure if cards recirculated I think. It really does point to Medhi if so, but now I'm really not sure about the kill flavor of my card anymore I thought it mentioned it. What peaked by interest about Uber maybe being the vig was Cheery saying Uber didn't go anywhere which I thought was weird and refer back to the weird Baby Spice scum kill bit.
I thought it was a possibility Cheery was lying so I brought up how I got vig during the night.
Ah, I get you. That makes sense.
@Monkey: How is Cheery any scummier than people who have their vote on you and won't move because of the claim?
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In post 1448, Mehdi2277 wrote:Monkey who are you shooting if you don't get lynched? I know you said you'd listen to what people said, but if the day ended now who would you shoot? Even if monkey is scum assuming one of the vigs is town (which jal likely is at least) keeping both alive for now has its benefits it the kills aren't just anywhere. UNVOTE: Monkey If monkey is scum and the kill he's referring to is the nk that blocks scum from night killing to just leave him alive and control the kill.
VOTE: guille
He can still just conveniently hit a scummyish/lurker Town and laugh, which bothers me. If we leave him alive we have to leash him to one specific kill.I don't have anything to put here because my normal signature is images. Weeeeee.