Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[TehBrawlGuy]

If I'm scum it's been mod confirmed to me too unless I faked the doc part as well.

No. If you're Scum and somehow got blocked by a Town blocker who refuses to claim, you'd know there's a

Town RBer

, not a

Scum RBer

. It would only make more sense why you assumed any RBer was Town.

It's also possible you lied about the Doc. Maybe you wanted to save it to block any potential Vidge shots or something, or maybe you had some other motive I can't see.


Nobody remembers everything, but I would

absolutely

remember finding out Scum had a strong PR, as would (and do) most Town.

[Mehdi2277]

I claimed 1 shot used up doc so it wasn't for future vig stuff.

I can't prove I forgot, but I did. Excuses are easy to give if you want one (being sicker then I've ever been in years for most of yesterday is one).

[MonkeyMan576]

@Mehdi: Did your grandmother die too. Love the appeal to emotion.

Mehdi is near confirmed scum but Xis lynch still gives us the most info.

[Mehdi2277]

If I'm near confirmed scum then you'd remove me at some point so stalling it for info is just a weak reason that doesn't really make much sense.

AtE isn't really a scum tell. I think it's the only time I've ever used it.

[Mehdi2277]

And monkey am I not supposed to give a reason for forgetting something when tbg is using that as a scum tell? Or would you rather have a lied about reason?

[Cheery Dog]

If he had been taken off L-1, there's only one thing to do, put him back there.

VOTE: monkey

The vig card will still exist, and hopefully go into town hand, which I don't think monkey has.

P-edit
Mehdi has said he was sick elsewhere on the site, I don't think that was to try and fool us, even though he is also quite possibly still scum.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I claimed 1 shot used up doc so it wasn't for future vig stuff.

I can't prove I forgot, but I did. Excuses are easy to give if you want one (being sicker then I've ever been in years for most of yesterday is one).

That assumes you're telling the truth about using it, though.


Even if you were sick, (which I believe) it would apply as Scum too. Bottom line is that you're far more likely to say what you said as Scum.

[Mehdi2277]

I don't think you're likely to find anyone lie about being sick.

Monkey hand and town hand are identical since he can't shoot whoever he wants when it comes to vig kill usage.

It's easy to forget something sick.

[TehBrawlGuy]

If he had been taken off L-1, there's only one thing to do, put him back there.

VOTE: monkey

The vig card will still exist, and hopefully go into town hand, which I don't think monkey has.

P-edit
Mehdi has said he was sick elsewhere on the site, I don't think that was to try and fool us, even though he is also quite possibly still scum.

My problem is that Medhi v. Monkey does not look like SvS, and Medhi's more scummy imo.

[Mehdi2277]

How much more does it apply as scum as sick?

[Cheery Dog]

Monkey hand and town hand are identical since he can't shoot whoever he wants when it comes to vig kill usage.

He is (or at least currently) in charge of the vig card. We're currently giving multiple choice as to who is allowed to be killed. If his scum buddy is in that group, do you think he will choose them to kill?
Yeah sure he doesn't have outright control since you love directed kills so much, but there is enough leeway that I don't think we're able to direct kills properly.
Personal preference would actually to only have one of the vig cards used.

[Mehdi2277]

That's only really a worry if he's a. scum and b. can't get his partner killed within two shots. Lynch the person suspected most, have jal shoot the person suspected second most, and him shoot the person 3rd suspected most if the first two kill someone mafia then the problem of he won't shoot a buddy doesn't really apply.

[TehBrawlGuy]

How much more does it apply as scum as sick?

Sick is null and should be disregarded. I established you as more likely to forget as Scum in my #1588 and #1600.

Monkey hand and town hand are identical since he can't shoot whoever he wants when it comes to vig kill usage.

He is (or at least currently) in charge of the vig card. We're currently giving multiple choice as to who is allowed to be killed. If his scum buddy is in that group, do you think he will choose them to kill?
Yeah sure he doesn't have outright control since you love directed kills so much, but there is enough leeway that I don't think we're able to direct kills properly.
Personal preference would actually to only have one of the vig cards used.

Kills in the Town's hands (either by holding them or via leashing) should almost always be used.

Monkey's on absolutely no leash if he's Scum regardless of anything we do. Assuming he is is to assume the scumteam is stupid.

[Mehdi2277]

I'm referring to you're saying it's unlikely under normal circumstances for me to forget scum likely have a rb and would that still apply under being sick?

And if he's the only scum alive on his team then unless he wants to guarantee a loss the game for himself by not following his vig target he'd do it.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm referring to you're saying it's unlikely under normal circumstances for me to forget scum likely have a rb and would that still apply under being sick?

And if he's the only scum alive on his team then unless he wants to guarantee a loss the game for himself by not following his vig target he'd do it.

Since being sick would also mess up you remembering it as Scum, it's a null tell. (it makes both more likely)

There's no way this is a two Scum game. If it is, and Monkey's our Scum, we've won already.

[Mehdi2277]

That follows 1611.

And it's not null if it changes the chances of it occurring (if it's a 1 percent chance as town and 20 percent as scum to 5 percent as town then it'd have to be 100 percent as scum to match ratio wise).

[TehBrawlGuy]

You're treating it as if it's additive. I think that if we're going to math it out, (which is generally bad) it's multiplicative.

i.e.

it's not 5 + x, it's 5x.

[Mehdi2277]

I thought what I did was multiplicative. 1/20 = 5/100

[TehBrawlGuy]

The equation was, but your tone lead me to believe you didn't like that math. Are we in agreement it's multipicative?

[Mehdi2277]

Yes. The main argument was it has to be multiplicative to be equal and I think the change was additive. Sickness and it being scummy are separate and don't multiply together.

Ex: Assuming it started at 1/20 adding sickness as 10 to each makes it 11/33 which isn't the same as the original and would make it less of a scum tell.

[Jake from State Farm]

Theme games aren't required to be balanced right? Themes are essentially no holds barred?

Cause if this was a normal, this game would be easy to figure out.

[MonkeyMan576]

All games are required to be balanced.

Score one on the derp meter for Jake.

[Jake from State Farm]

Actually according to the theme rules, games don't have to be reviewed, thus they don't have to be balanced.

So lol at you.

[Jake from State Farm]

But if we assune this game is balanced that means 1 of the vig claims is fake guaranteed.

It also means cards that belong to scum, stay with scum and vice versa.

That would mean monkey or Jal is scum guaranteed.

[MonkeyMan576]

I've never heard anything saying any game is not required to be balanced. Just because a reviewer isn't balanced doesn't mean balance isn't required. If a mod ran a game that wasn't balanced no one would want to play their games. People take winning very seriously here.