Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[TehBrawlGuy]

And tbg considering powers are random for the most part chances of scum having an RB is lower then a townie having it.

unvote

The only way you can be Town is if you were blocked, so explain.

[Mehdi2277]

That's literally the only way?

[Mehdi2277]

And to extend it a standard role blocker.

[Mehdi2277]

Well trackers being role blocked isn't doable when that's been clarified but right now you're idea being a problem only applies if it's a nightly rb and there's 0 town rbs that can't narrow down who the scum rb likely is.

[Jake from State Farm]

Interesting notes about the current votes

TBG - voted AI not monkey and he hasn't really said anything about monkey all day
Lord - Like a bunch of the rest of his IIoA, it's just there doing nothing, like a way to look townie without taking too hard a stance on anything. (good point with this one)
Jal - voted right after monkey put mehndi at L-1, asked monkey to explain how mehndi's defense has un-raveled (he has not answered this question yet)
Jake - opportunisic vote on Mehndi, ignoring my questions and others (still refusing to answer)
Xis - Rank survivalism (whatever that means)
Cheery wants to hammer - CD makes valid points in 1408 and asks monkey a question (which monkey ignores)

The only questionable votes on Monkey that I see are TBG and Xis. But note that Monkey has ignored questions/posts from 3 people all of who aren;t on the questionable vote list.

This is why I don;t feel Monkey can be trusted to follow our kill suggestion. He has basically found a way to avoid all questions and hasn't even attempted to scumhunt. All he keeps doing is saying he has to be kept alive because he is a vig and we should trust him (maybe that's what rank survivalism means?, if so than Xis's vote isn't questionable afterall)

[TehBrawlGuy]

That's literally the only way?

Unless you got bussed with someone not performing an action. (and Cheery was not informed of a bus) That, or Cheery's Scum, which makes about 0 sense.

@Mod: If a Tracker was to track Player A, but Player A and Player B got bussed, what would the Tracker be told?

Interesting notes about the current votes

TBG - voted AI not monkey and he hasn't really said anything about monkey all day
Lord - Like a bunch of the rest of his IIoA, it's just there doing nothing, like a way to look townie without taking too hard a stance on anything. (good point with this one)
Jal - voted right after monkey put mehndi at L-1, asked monkey to explain how mehndi's defense has un-raveled (he has not answered this question yet)
Jake - opportunisic vote on Mehndi, ignoring my questions and others (still refusing to answer)
Xis - Rank survivalism (whatever that means)
Cheery wants to hammer - CD makes valid points in 1408 and asks monkey a question (which monkey ignores)

The only questionable votes on Monkey that I see are TBG and Xis. But note that Monkey has ignored questions/posts from 3 people all of who aren;t on the questionable vote list.

This is why I don;t feel Monkey can be trusted to follow our kill suggestion. He has basically found a way to avoid all questions and hasn't even attempted to scumhunt. All he keeps doing is saying he has to be kept alive because he is a vig and we should trust him (maybe that's what rank survivalism means?, if so than Xis's vote isn't questionable afterall)

Monkey's been suspicious Scum at worst, useless Town at best. I was totally fine with lynching him until Medhi's recent posts.

Rank survivalism = Monkey's just trying to stay alive, rather than hunt Scum. Town wins by finding Scum, Scum win by staying alive, so townies usually care less about staying alive than the Scum do.

And to extend it a standard role blocker.

???

Well trackers being role blocked isn't doable when that's been clarified but right now you're idea being a problem only applies if it's a nightly rb and there's 0 town rbs that can't narrow down who the scum rb likely is.

How would other blockers narrow down who the Scum blocker is?

[Jake from State Farm]

Well rank survivalism is exactly what monkey is doing

[TehBrawlGuy]

Well rank survivalism is exactly what monkey is doing

Yup. How do you feel about Medhi forgetting that he had to be blocked to be Town?

[Mehdi2277]

Similar to how any player would guess who someone scum is.

Standard meaning nightly role blocker vs role blocker with some limitation. This is mainly that you made it sound like the chances of controlling monkey's kill if he's town are really unlikely to be helpful.

[Mehdi2277]

Is it any more likely as scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

Well rank survivalism is exactly what monkey is doing

Yup. How do you feel about Medhi forgetting that he had to be blocked to be Town?

I'm still suspicious of mehndi, him or guile would be the best people for Jal to shoot IMO.

[Jake from State Farm]

Tbg, where did this bus idea come from?

[Mehdi2277]

What's the difference between saying jal should one of these two and just mock lynching as a whole? The reason you gave against mock lynching applies for directing kills too doesn't it?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Similar to how any player would guess who someone scum is.

Standard meaning nightly role blocker vs role blocker with some limitation. This is mainly that you made it sound like the chances of controlling monkey's kill if he's town are really unlikely to be helpful.

All you need is a 2-shot blocker. They would just need to block him once, no chain-blocking, etc. required.

Is it any more likely as scum?

Absolutely. If you're Town, it's been all but modconfirmed to you that a Scum roleblocker exists. That should be at the forefront of your mind, since it changes the game radically.

If you're Scum, it's just part of your fakeclaim. We all know how easy it is for Scum to screw their fakeclaim up. (hi lurker)

Tbg, where did this bus idea come from?

Mehdi asked if a Scum blocker blocking him last night was literally the only way he could be Town. (assuming Cheery's Town) Depending on how the mod resolves redirections, a Scum Bus Driver could have done it too.

It's a moot point, since a Scum BD is even scarier than a RBer anyway, and far less likely.

[TehBrawlGuy]

vote medhi

[Xisiqomelir]

Xis - Rank survivalism (whatever that means)

This is why I don;t feel Monkey can be trusted to follow our kill suggestion. He has basically found a way to avoid all questions and hasn't even attempted to scumhunt. All he keeps doing is saying he has to be kept alive because he is a vig and we should trust him (maybe that's what rank survivalism means?, if so than Xis's vote isn't questionable afterall)

There is a little bit more to it.

Spoiler:

MonkeyMan576

: Your vote on me is rank survivalism. In fact, most of your recent posting after being wagonned is rank survivalism.

hammering me would be a bad idea. I'm town so as far as I'm aware my cards are distributed among those on my lynch. So I'm guessing Cherry Dog is scum. This is a scum-like risk, not a town-like risk.

People should unvote me unless they want Boardwalk in the hands of ScumDog and his cohorts.

ScumCherry hamming would allow Boardwalk to possibly change hands from town to mafia. I haven't done anything scummy, besides not having a lot of time to answer questions. CheeryDog HAS done something specifically scummy now.

UNVOTE: Cheery Dog
VOTE: MonkeyMan576

The quotes from Monkey spoilered above are one aspect of his survivalism, but his votes today are also significant. The "unraveling defense" Mehdi vote is questionable, and his read on me evolves this way today:

Post #684 – Xis attacks babyspice. Good post

Nuetral
Xisqomelir

Currently if I had to choose someone to shoot it would be Xis. His post count is relatively low and his unvote of Lurker looks suspicious.

Like the Xis wagon idea...posted my reasons why previously(Lurker unvote, inactivity). Plus Guille seems to have some sense.

Vote: Xis

Which I don't consider at all natural.

PEdit: Ninjaed heavily

[Mehdi2277]

If I'm scum it's been mod confirmed to me too unless I faked the doc part as well.

[Mehdi2277]

And tbg currently you pretty much make it sound like you'd remember everything more when the game has had a ton of claim stuff that honestly at this point beyond vague important parts aren't something worth remembering in detail.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Xis: Changing your reads as the game progresses is a town tell. Thank you for making my case for me.

[Mehdi2277]

Changing them without reason isn't. At this point you're just jumping on what direction things are going and aren't really trying to persuade people to follow you at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

Changing them without reason isn't. At this point you're just jumping on what direction things are going and aren't really trying to persuade people to follow you at all.

Amen, there's hope for you yet

[Mehdi2277]

Still think monkey should live for one more night. Currently lynch one of guille/xis/mhork, shoot the other two, and then lynch monkey.

[Jake from State Farm]

You realize the only alternative lynch will most likely be you right?

[Mehdi2277]

For this day or any? And how is that a bad idea for deaths?

[MonkeyMan576]

Changing them without reason isn't. At this point you're just jumping on what direction things are going and aren't really trying to persuade people to follow you at all.

That's not true at all. My opinions are my own. Just because I'm not begging people to vote the way I am doesn't mean I don't want them to.