Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

~TehBrawlGuy replaces Mogadishu Jones~

[Jake from State Farm]

Back. Will catch up on Jal vs Baby next.

what happened to this?

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: I hereby request replacement. I'm sorry, but I feel really detached from the game.

[Mehdi2277]

@Spice what did you think of jal's vote when she made it and before you saw the wagon and analyzed the wagon as a whole?

I didn't like it at the time. Still don't.


Why do you ask now? Why not a hell of a lot earlier?

Since it's a big portion of why you're being fosed so I wanted to ask it clearly. If it was bad before you analyzed the wagon why not say it then is the root of the problem.

[Baby Spice]

and stiring up an argument that has been ... placed to the side for a while to the betterment to the town, is blowing the town read I had on you.

[Mehdi2277]

I suspect you. Jal the main person who argued might be voting elsewhere but that is not a reason for me to stop pushing you.

[Lurker]

This game has seemed to slown down a bit.

[UberNinja]

It's cause I've been slackin' off. Sry

[Jake from State Farm]

Everyone has been, I need to get back into this game.

[UberNinja]

I should read it. lol

[UberNinja]

Okay fuck it, it's saturday I'll spend a few hours on this game

[Xisiqomelir]

Back. Will catch up on Jal vs Baby next.

what happened to this?

Sorry, got busy IRL with parties etc. Will get to it next year in detail.

[UberNinja]

Next year...

lol

[Agent_Ireland]

I think the slowness is because of the holidays.

@mod: could we possibly get an extra day or two because of the holidays?

[Baby Spice]

I suspect you. Jal the main person who argued might be voting elsewhere but that is not a reason for me to stop pushing you.

Actually you're last ten to fifteen posts are trying to stir Jal up against me. No one else.

No, this is why she's scummy. Nothing.

Just you trying to stir Jal up against me.

That you continue whilst denying it is scummy as hell.

SC's posts and votes are not town SC, but then that could be explained by SC's "replace out" post.

But Medhi trying to stir up an arguement like he is.

Vote Medhi

Scum medhi means conf town Jal, since no scum would stir up an argument like that involving a buddy.

[Jal]

@Mhork

:

Issue I have with that lurker logic is that you're trying to rationalize as to why he hid information when the fact remains that he did in fact try to hide information. I don't care that he backed up and fessed up the rest of his role; why didn't he do so in the first place?

Town and scum do stupid things. You find someone's alignment by figuring out the motivation for why they do the things they did, and if it fits the scenario. If scum Lurker wanted to hide information and is being honest about not knowing how the cards were probably dealt equally, why then as scum, would he even out his card at all a few minutes later anyway?

Why would your case have to be all that great to be worth sheeping?

Answer:

First, why is sheeping bad? Why is it inherently scummy and voteworthy? What if I flat out admit that I liked the point Jal made so much that it seemed like the best vote?

You liked the point I made so much it helped influence your vote.

[Jal]

Jal how did SC's vote on spice affect your read on him?

Not much.

Baby, who is this other account of yours?

Agent Ireland, are you busy too or do you have anything to contribute?\

I'm starting to feel Baby Spice really isn't scum, especially by her recent votes.

[UberNinja]

Unvote; Vote: Medhi2277

[Agent_Ireland]

I'm busy for the next couple of days. My opinions on everyone hasn't really changed. Anything I could say has already been said.

[Baby Spice]

Baby, who is this other account of yours?

Annachie

[TehBrawlGuy]

Spoiler: Wall

I tell him he's wrong. He doesn't take a minute to iso me to check or just look back. He has a scum read on me for something that never happened and it's not worth checking somehow. That's how it's scummy since townies would think more about their scum reads then that.

I generally find the opposite. Townies don't generally worry about looking town or making sure everything 'checks out'. They just find who they think is Scum and roll with it. Scum tend to be more calculated about it all, since the whole thing is a ploy in the first place.

And then add in his vote on Lurker is also blatant sheeping. The reason he gave is near identical to what Jal gave.

That =/= sheeping. Sometimes a player is right and simply beats to you saying something. Secondly, who cares? If you're taking a stance and making a hard commitment, you're generally helping Town. Scum thrive off of times when they can be opportunistic and take whichever side looks better. Players should not be discouraged from making stands because they can't come up with a new reason Player X is scummy.

Ok, My first in a (hopefully) series of reads. First off I will read Lord Mhork.

His first vote, Post #119, He votes me for the same reason as Jal did, or as they call it, sheeping. He goes on to say that Jal is town.

One of these would be a bit of a slip, but permissible. Two however, seems like buddying.

You don't typically think that the players posting cases you agree with are Town, or do you have more of a problem with saying "X feels Town to me" unprompted?

It's more of what do you think of the people on those wagons. Lurker and Lord are on each other so that cancels. Then it's me and SC pushing mhork vs Jal,

Xis the sheep

, and AI the rvs vote.

Don't like the discrediting/mild brainwash.

I dont look for scumtells, but scum mindsets.

This x1000. Scumtells are manifestations of Scum mindsets, and it drives me up the wall when people go on about scumtells for days. Chase the people instead of their shadows, so to speak. Currently, this is very relevant to Lurker's claim. Not claiming full info under pressure is usually a scumtell, yes, but any Scum mindset that would prompt him to do that here could be a Town mindset just as easily.

Vote: strangercoug

I'll give you three guesses why I don't like this post, and your first two don't count.

It's just... really hard for me to get my head into this, and I concede that.

Also, this post is really, really ugly. I don't like it.
.

How so?

Null because I don't have post to support reasons right now, but off the top of my head, I think you, Mehdi, Jones, and Lurker are town. The rest of the people I will keep at null until they post or I do an iso on them.

You don't need posts to say anything

right now

. This is how Scum get away with fencesitting, and frankly that's what it looks like here.

Jal, since you're too lazy to bother doing any research, or too scummy to want to:
Quick precis of the most recent four mini theme's
Mini 1388, scum on wagon, wagon on town
Barkley mini theme, scum on wagon, wagon on scum.
Mini 1380 SK on wagon, wagon on town
mini 1371 no scum on wagon, wagon on town.

What is this I don't even

1388 is a legitimate example for your point.
Barkley mini was a scum lynch, so I'm not really sure how it's supposed to convince anyone to get off a current wagon and wagon a wagoner.

wagonwagonwagon

1380 doesn't really count, since SKs are as clueless as Town on D1, and generally behave as such.
1371 is the other side of D1 mislynches.

So 1/4, where there should have been a switch, maybe 2/4 depending how you look at it? Ehh.....

Scum medhi means conf town Jal, since no scum would stir up an argument like that involving a buddy.

I find these kinds of statements are incredibly dangerous. (and made often by Scum, to boot)







Medhi keeps pinging me as Scum, but something in my gut says he's not, so null/leaning Scum.

Baby's entire interaction with Jal feels really scummy, her data feels scummy, (have we even been told exactly how 72% was figured?) and I just don't like it overall, so

Vote: Baby

Ireland and Jake ping me minorly but nothing to write home about.

Lurker feels very tonally Town, but his actions are closer to null/slightly Scum. All in all, slight town lean.

tl;dr

Read the spoiler, lazy.

[TehBrawlGuy]

(I missed this) EBWoP:

I'm busy for the next couple of days.

My opinions on everyone hasn't really changed. Anything I could say has already been said.

Stop doing that. You're either coasting Scum or unhelpful Town, and it's AntiTown play either way. I don't care how busy you are, you haven't posted

one

scum read all game even though it takes all of 20 seconds to go: "The players I think are scummiest are X, Y, and Z. I'll explain later."

[Mehdi2277]

I suspect you. Jal the main person who argued might be voting elsewhere but that is not a reason for me to stop pushing you.

Actually you're last ten to fifteen posts are trying to stir Jal up against me. No one else.

No, this is why she's scummy. Nothing.

Just you trying to stir Jal up against me.

That you continue whilst denying it is scummy as hell.

SC's posts and votes are not town SC, but then that could be explained by SC's "replace out" post.

But Medhi trying to stir up an arguement like he is.

Vote Medhi

Scum medhi means conf town Jal, since no scum would stir up an argument like that involving a buddy.

So I'm supposed to be saying my action is scummy and if I don't I'm even scummier. And you can call it stirring up against you or me wanting her to vote you. Yes I want you to look suspicious to others when I think your scummy.

@TBG

Goal of the first couple quotes to me is? I've already changed reads on the player I was referring to with that.

What would you rather me call Xis's vote? I think it's obvious I was criticizing the lurker wagon there.

Although the argument to definition on SK vs just scum on wagon is weak. Do you think it's scummy to treat a SK as scum for wagon checking purposes?

[Mehdi2277]

And UN what do you agree with from what spice said (assuming that's it and if not why the vote)?

[UberNinja]

tl;dr

Read the spoiler, lazy.

HAY

THATS MY SCHTICK