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I vaguely recall from the Queue that someone asked the Mod to ensure that Apple didn't get off the hook or something like that, and he assured whomever that he wouldn't. The tone of the exchange implied that Apple would be non-town IIRC. My a priori guess regarding an Apple user's alignment would have been 3rd party or traitor. [/outguess]
I like his target, though. No complaints for now if he remains well-behaved.
Refer to General Rules #7. Flavor is what I was referring to in the queue.-
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Meh, I think the Queue content is outside of "flavor." I'm still taking it into account. Thanks for the notice, though.
Unvote; Vote: Josh Lyman. The insinuation that Glork is unhelpful is rolefishing. Pome did this, too, but she didn't couple it with a vote (i.e. with rhetoric capable of pulling information) or try to pass off the (absent) vote as non-serious after at least 2 serious votes.-
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The bold was to emphasize the part that answered Pome's question.
Even if you thought we were still in RVS because of such an interpretation, your vote wasn't random at all. Glock did something of substance; you voted him for it. The fact that you then tried to frame it as a random vote in the same post was disingenuous IMO.-
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The organization of your confirm certainly made sense, but that didn't keep it from being odd. Also, whether I recognized it was irrelevant to determining why Pome did what she did.
I haven't (to my knowledge) played with about half the player list, so I can assure you that not-knowing-JL is not the basis of my vote. I also don't really understand your insinuation that town players like to lynch unfamiliar players by policy.
I think players should stop pestering Glock.-
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Are you emphasizing that in the abstract, or do you really think that someone who doesn't check guilty would claim Miller? Assuming the latter, could you explain why (other than a Mod-mandated fakeclaim)? Maybe I suffer from lack of creativity.Josh Lyman wrote:
Might I remind you this is a bastard game. NOTHING is impossible, and IIecerint wrote:
Ya, but given that you have claimed Miller and have 3rd party-ish flavor, it's impossible that you are checks-innocent-3rd. Or at least rather unlikely.Fishythefish wrote:A note to iec - typically, third party roles investigate as innocent to cops. I know this.can'twon't say anymore about that right now.
I'm not crazy about JL's elaboration that his vote for Glock was random and the apparent justification for the vote (including the "Glock was unhelpful" bit) was intended to be jokey. I certainly accept that the subsequent jokey parts were jokey, but not the "unhelpful" bit.
(I agree with UK about vote theory.)
Pome, what's your point about scum "not wanting to risk it?" I mean, I agree with you, but why point that out?-
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JL's post is more problematic, but he posted it after Pome had already sorta let the cat out of the bag. I feel the same way about this Pome-JL post pair as I felt about the original Pome-JL post pair about Glock's lack of helpfulness, except that Pome's post was relatively innocuous the first time.-
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I think it would take a pretty clueless player to claim scum in response to a move like that from SK. Now that Pome has pointed that out for everyone, it would take a 100% clueless player. The trade-off is that it lets us publicly evaluate SK's claim without the awkwardness of nullifying SK's potential town gambit, but I think she should have at least given everyone more of a chance to post first.
Also, I dunno why she thinks that SK could be Cult-Leader-recruiting-mafia. Seeing that scum presumably knows scum, that seems like an impossible/difficult mechanic to balance. Could be that recruits become like Traitors, I guess, but that doesn't seem like a very default thesis to me.
I would vote her, but I am busy voting JL. <_<-
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No idea. Alma posted something similar to confirm, though.-
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The likelihood that SK is actually a town-aligned player with that ability is low IMO. Why would he come out and claim it? It would be like claiming CL D1 in a town-cult game. If there are actually games with roles like the one SK is insinuating, please let me know.
I hadn't thought of force-replacing. I suppose that would work.-
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(Err...I support the sentiment. But. Take care?)
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I share your frustration, but I'm not a player who policy-lynches policy-lurkers.
Vaya was town in Moviestar Madness, and he played with reasonable activity after nearly being policy-lynched for lurking D1. Found scum, too, and ultimately survived to endgame to win for town. Something similar happened re: Vaya's behavior in I-Love-You mafia IIRC, minus finding the scum and having the town win. That's the basis of my D1-only claim. It could be that my experience with Vaya is out of the ordinary.-
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I don't see what we have to gain from SB full-claiming. If she is scum, she'll lie. If she is not, I'm sure she can make inferences based on her flavor as competently as any of us. I suppose we might be able to glean something from her hypothetical lie, but I think that possibility is comparatively remote given Alma's softclaim.-
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I asked you because I didn't (and don't) understand what differentiates Vaya wanting SB to claim from Glock or UK wanting him to claim. The most salient feature IMO is that Vaya said you might be scum with JL:
So, since the logic you presented (that Vaya wanting SB to claim was scummy) didn't match your vote, your vote looked like an OMGUS vote, but I wanted to give you a chance to demonstrate otherwise.Vaya wrote:I don't know, I'm really not particularly feeling scum from Josh right now. If I had to make a guess if he were scum, I would think that at least one of his buddies are busing him, as I usually see happen when scum is wagoned like this.I'd guess that this would most likely be SocioPath.-
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There weren't any previous posts. What's your point? We have already established that that is null.
It's not as if Vaya posted a half-baked comeback post. He addressed the current issue (SB), an attack against him (lurking), and the issue he missed (JL). Is there something I've forgotten about that he failed to address?-
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The basis of my claim that Vaya's lurking Wednesday and Thursday was null is indeed with Vaya has indicated. If you take a break from the entire site for a few days, that has nothing to do with your alignment in any existing games. That was why I didn't get too excited about SP's "case" on Vaya.
On the other hand, I am very disappointed that Vaya didn't vote someone in his return post. There had been plenty of issues to weigh-in on up to that point; his failure to vote someone based on any of that looks a little scummy IMO. Coming in a few hours later to vote the player steam seems to be gathering around doesn't help much, either.-
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lolwat.UncertainKitten wrote:...SSK...I've heard you can be a useful protown player.
The only remotely scummy thing Vaya has done is the delayed SP vote, and even that's a stretch. I'd vote SP, except that I don't want JL to get off the hook due to V/LA. <_<
Would also like to hear SSK explain why SP isn't full of crap.-
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SSK has been mislynched-town in every game I've played with him (Lazy Neighborhood, I-Love-You, etc). If anything, I usually get the impression that he doesn't read the game very closely. He apparently forgot he had a town PR in Lazy Neighborhood. Maybe my experience just isn't representative.
Not that it wouldn't be nice for him to participate.-
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EBWOP: Good point about the partial reveal business. I'd totally forgotten.
My bias is that SSK should give us information about his result on Vaya to prevent the SSKscum scenario where he can adjust his fakeclaim to fit with the partial reveal. (UK's already said she has reason to believe this isn't the way to go, but it could be that she forgot, too.)-
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I thought I was the second vote, discounting Vaya? Who's our 4th wagonmate?-
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I'm always very concerned about how I'm perceived. Namely, if I don't edit myself significantly, I end up wallposting everything. (Check my first Newbie game on the site (Mongol mafia) where I was mislynched D2 for an idea of how I'd play uncensored. Because of what happened there, I changed my playstyle significantly.)
I started the bandwagon on JL, so I don't think I'm guilty of bandwagon-following. And I thought I was 2nd on SP. <_<
It's true that I was following there, though. My intent was to provide the necessary pressure on SP to make him active. All he'd done up til then is random vote (though I think his "random vote" on JL was serious) and make a bad case on Vaya. Even if Vaya is scum, I still think SP's case was lazy-to-scummy.-
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I voted SSK for claiming I had a "meta" of protecting my scumbuddies. I have never been scum, so there was no basis for SSK's claim. It looked to me like he was just supplying the easy answer to UK's yes/no question. I think it's possible that he did misremember my alignment in ILY mafia, though, for reasons I've already mentioned.SocioPath wrote:Also reinforced with Iec voting SSK for claiming Vaya as scum.-
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SSK didn't clarify that he had misremembered me as scum in ILY until after I voted him. I was thinking that SSK was just blithely saying "HE DOES THIS AS SCUM" without any evidence. I'm still slightly unsure about it, which is why I asked him who he misremembered I was scumbuddy-protecting.
I took UK's bandwagon-following criticism to mean "Iec has a history of bandwagon-following." In actuality, I have bandwagon-followed once, and for good reasons IMO. That's the point I was trying to make.
You haven't been inactive per se, but you'd kinda fallen on the backburner during the whole Vaya-SSK thing IIRC. You were also the scummiest player who was both non-V/LA and not Vaya or SSK IMO.-
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