Mini 897 - OpenSource Mafia - Game over!!

[Iecerint]

You'd think he'd at least pop in and apologize for the Mod being unresponsive or something. <_<

[MafiaSSK]

You'd think he'd at least pop in and apologize for the Mod being unresponsive or something. <_<

For real.

[SlySly]

Unforeseen circumstances happened this weekend and access to the site and my notes were cut completely off. Access has been restored. Prodding Josh now...

[Iecerint]

Lurk-to-replacement?

[SocioPath]

Lurk-to-replacement?

When, more often than not, when given the first player to do so, is generally more likely to be scum.

But with Joshy, its unfortunately a null tell.
He is one of the most spotty people I've 'played' with.
I think every game I've been in with him in the past, he has been replaced out.

[Iecerint]

Mmm. Does he always play this way, too?

[SocioPath]

Mmm. Does he always play this way, too?

As far as I know.

He is a busy parent.

[Iecerint]

I mean, for the bit where he's actually playing the game, does he always seem scummy?

[SocioPath]

I mean, for the bit where he's actually playing the game, does he always seem scummy?

Not as scummy as hiding behind his V/LA.
He isn't a bad lynch at this point.

I've never got a good read on him before though.
I've never had a chance to.
Really I've just let others taken care of it in the past while I've focused on others.

[Iecerint]

K. Was gonna wonder why you hadn't mentioned it before.

[Glork]

I'm just worried that game momentum has been completely destroyed. There was a ton of really productive posting for like 90% of Day 1, but the last few days have been us just sitting around, twiddling our fingers. I fear that the enthusiasm and interest we started the game with has waned somewhat, and that definitely favors scum.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm just worried that game momentum has been completely destroyed. There was a ton of really productive posting for like 90% of Day 1, but the last few days have been us just sitting around, twiddling our fingers. I fear that the enthusiasm and interest we started the game with has waned somewhat, and that definitely favors scum.

If I weren't already voting him I'd probably have surprise hammered JL just to get the game moving, if that helps any ^-^;.

Well, probably not surprise hammered. But definitely declared intent to hammer.

[Fishythefish]

^This.

I think people should be thinking about hammering now. Deadline hits in three days, and we want a lynch.

[Fishythefish]

Oh, "^this" was supposed to point at 510.

[SlySly]

JL has not picked up his prod. I will begin the search for a replacement this evening.

[UncertainKitten]

JL has not picked up his prod. I will begin the search for a replacement this evening.

Honestly, I think you shouldn't bother unless by some stretch of the imagination we DON'T lynch JL today. I'd just save the replacement.

[Glork]

I don't envy whomever replaces JL. They have the task of replacing, reading a 21 page thread, convincingus not to lynch JL without being able to defend/explain JL's throught processes, and find an alternate lynch which six other players are willing to support.

In three days.

Basically, our D1 got completely boned unless we get another extension.

JL has not picked up his prod. I will begin the search for a replacement this evening.

Honestly, I think you shouldn't bother unless by some stretch of the imagination we DON'T lynch JL today. I'd just save the replacement.

Thing is, JL was (allegedly) prepping a claim when he disappeared. While it may not reflect well if he strategically "flaked," it's entirely possible that he *DOES* have a protown role that we really don't want to lynch today. I don't know about you, but I always keep that possibility open. If JL's replacement does claim a role that makes you go "crap, we need to put this off until tomorrow," what do you propose we do?

[Glork]

EBWOP: Is the site horrendously slow for anybody else? It took me like ten minutes to post that, when it should have taken two. :/

[UncertainKitten]

Thing is, JL was (allegedly) prepping a claim when he disappeared. While it may not reflect well if he strategically "flaked," it's entirely possible that he *DOES* have a protown role that we really don't want to lynch today. I don't know about you, but I always keep that possibility open. If JL's replacement does claim a role that makes you go "crap, we need to put this off until tomorrow," what do you propose we do?

The problem is we really DON'T have a good back up lynch. If Josh claims a role we want to leave alive, that means that we've effectively cut off 1/3 of our viable options for lynch today (I'm assuming you won't lynch me since I'm going to be trying to resolve the Vaya/SSK situation, and you won't lynch Vaya or SSK for the same reason). I'm honestly willing to take a chance on lynching JL. Of course, I think the rest of the town should chime in on whether JL is worth replacing at this juncture.

[Glork]

No, I understand what you're saying. And while part of me is getting cold feet (and would very gladly lynch any among Pom/Iece/SP as an alternate), the other part of me wants to stick to my guns and knows that an alternate lynch is basically impossible without an extension.

I guess our differences lie in that you're roughly saying, "Don't worry about the replacement, let's just go with the lynch," while I want to say, "Let's get that claim and see if it's actually enough to deter us from lynch."

Yes, it would suck for whomever has to replace, if they spend hours reading only to be lynched. But I really don't want us to short-change ourselves if we can get the information we were supposed to get.

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, it would suck for whomever has to replace, if they spend hours reading only to be lynched. But I really don't want us to short-change ourselves if we can get the information we were supposed to get.

I think part of the problem is I'm not thinking about this just as a player. I'm thinking about it both as a mod and as someone who has been cajoled into replacing into games before. And I wouldn't want to be dragged into this situation. Further, SlySly will have a more difficult time finding someone who would be dragged in this situation. Basically what they'd do is walk in, claim, and then be lynched.


[quot="Glork"]
No, I understand what you're saying. And while part of me is getting cold feet (and would very gladly lynch any among Pom/Iece/SP as an alternate), the other part of me wants to stick to my guns and knows that an alternate lynch is basically impossible without an extension.
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Yeesh, thanks for catching that. I completely forgot about them thanks to this all consuming Josh issue. Pom or Iec does seem like a good choice. For some reason I'd like SP to live a little longer. Probably just bias.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP:

No, I understand what you're saying. And while part of me is getting cold feet (and would very gladly lynch any among Pom/Iece/SP as an alternate), the other part of me wants to stick to my guns and knows that an alternate lynch is basically impossible without an extension.

(Fixing quote tags)

[Fishythefish]

Only JL's claim can prevent his lynch at this stage.
All the replacement needs to be able to do is claim.
I don't think it's a disastrous position to replace in to - reading 20 pages shouldn't be necessary.
For alternate lynches, iec has my vote.

[Iecerint]

Could we have a brief extension due to the replacement?

If JL has not picked up his prod and returned by the time I start my search tonight, I will grant a short extension and set a new deadline that will be announced along with the new replacement.

[Pomegranate]

I don't envy whomever replaces JL. They have the task of replacing, reading a 21 page thread, convincingus not to lynch JL without being able to defend/explain JL's throught processes, and find an alternate lynch which six other players are willing to support.

Yeah, but it's important to get the claim, since Sly said he will give an extension. But if it gets closer to the new deadline, and there is no other likely option, I'll be fine hammering.