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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:22 pm

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@Kitten: I'm not sure I buy your change of stance on Josh. He made some scummy posts, which make him more likely scum. How does your feeling that his posts will improve make him less likely scum?
Gut, honestly. Something feels...not scummy about Josh despite my earlier stance. I understand if that's not enough for you.

And plus, I want to see where this Socio thing goes ^-^.
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:26 pm

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I think its worth repeating that this is a partial reveal game. I do have to wonder if SSK is scum expecting to get away with this because of that.

I'd really prefer not to have to claim my role here, but I will if I'm going to be the lynch for today.

I still think its a good idea for SSK to fully claim this result he has against me. Kitten, do you have actual reason here to say that SSK shouldn't claim, despite the fact that he would be an obvious kill target regardless?

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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:27 pm

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I can get behind an SPwagon. It's certainly better than my current vote, and while I don't want to fully abandon JL, his limited activity would make a JL revote pretty inert. And I trust UK's official information on how to handle the SSK/Vaya situation.

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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:30 pm

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I think its worth repeating that this is a partial reveal game. I do have to wonder if SSK is scum expecting to get away with this because of that.
He probably won't get away with it.

I still think its a good idea for SSK to fully claim this result he has against me. Kitten, do you have actual reason here to say that SSK shouldn't claim, despite the fact that he would be an obvious kill target regardless?
He's an obvious kill target, but there is a possibility he's actually harmless to scum. I'd like to remind scum of that possibility without playing too many of my cards. Of course, I don't think he is but I'm a gambler, and I'm hoping my adversaries are as well.

If he claims that possibility may increase or decrease, making him ineffective or night kill bait.

Further, I'm not as certain as he is in his results. Due to the information I have. The reason I supported it at first was honestly because I forgot what I knew and that this was a bastard game. But, as I said, this is a solvable situation without losing potential assets.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:30 pm

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EBWOP: Good point about the partial reveal business. I'd totally forgotten. :?

My bias is that SSK should give us information about his result on Vaya to prevent the SSKscum scenario where he can adjust his fakeclaim to fit with the partial reveal. (UK's already said she has reason to believe this isn't the way to go, but it could be that she forgot, too.)
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:31 pm

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My bias is that SSK should give us information about his result on Vaya to prevent the SSKscum scenario where he can adjust his fakeclaim to fit with the partial reveal. (UK's already said she has reason to believe this isn't the way to go, but it could be that she forgot, too.)
I'm aware of the partial reveal. It does not effect my plan. Well, unless the mod is an INCREDIBLE bastard, but I'll determine that by D3. But I'm getting ahead of myself ^-^;
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:35 pm

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Out of curiosity, who did you remember me protecting in ILY, SSK? O_o
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:35 pm

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UncertainKitten wrote:Here's what I'd like, if at all possible

Vaya and SSK do NOT get lynched today.
SSK, do NOT fullclaim today.
Any protective role that exists, please protect SSK from kills.
I think D2 will be quite fruitful.

Before it's asked, yes, I have official reasons to believe this is the best course of action.
I'll go with this, based especially on the last sentence.

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Iec, your vote is suspicious. The third vote on a bandwagon/in a row is a tad scummy. It's not very scummy- I'm just throwing this out there.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:37 pm

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I simulposted with Vaya.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:37 pm

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Iec, your vote is suspicious. The third vote on a bandwagon/in a row is a tad scummy. It's not very scummy- I'm just throwing this out there.
It's the fourth vote actually. It bothers me as well. Initially Iec wanted to stay on Josh, despite the V/LA being pointed out. I did the same thing. Now that I've switched off Josh though, Iec has followed. This does not put me at ease, but I'll take a wait and see approach. His vote on SSK did feel more self motivated and actually scum hunty.

Also, lol at wikitell, Pom :P.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:38 pm

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I thought I was the second vote, discounting Vaya? Who's our 4th wagonmate?
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:40 pm

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I simulposted with Vaya.
Oh, makes sense with the timestamps, I guess.

Actually, I've been accused of the same thing (putting down a third vote quickly, while meaning to put sown the second).
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:42 pm

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Actually, I've been accused of the same thing (putting down a third vote quickly, while meaning to put sown the second).
It's not really a scumtell, and I wish people would stop saying it is. Then again, if they did, I guess it stands a chance of becoming a scumtell again. Ah, the wonderful world of the metagame.
I thought I was the second vote, discounting Vaya? Who's our 4th wagonmate?
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:43 pm

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I've checked back and don't see anyone...are you counting Vaya twice?

It's certainly true that the basis of my vote was partially UK's vote, though. I disqualified myself from starting an SP wagon back then because he was already voting me.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:44 pm

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It's certainly true that the basis of my vote was partially UK's vote, though. I disqualified myself from starting an SP wagon back then because he was already voting me.
That's...decent but I still have my eye on you.

But yeah, people got on Vaya because he followed Gorrad onto SP, IIRC?
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:45 pm

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I was mistaken. Gorrad did not vote SP unless he was already on SP.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:46 pm

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Gorrad's not in this game. Unless you're saying his alt is?
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:46 pm

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Oh, Glork, OK.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:48 pm

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Gorrad's not in this game. Unless you're saying his alt is?
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:55 pm

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Well, good that's cleared up, I got extremely confused.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:13 pm

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UncertainKitten wrote:I think SP is being too reactionary though.
An odd stance, I would have thought that you of all people would appreciated behavior of the reactionary sort.
UncertainKitten wrote:And plus, I want to see where this Socio thing goes ^-^.
Me too!

I'm loving the wagon on me so far. I think your vote was awesome in that the reactions it caused. Mainly 2 'other' people to immediately vote me. Which are both awesome for their own reasons:

The Vaya vote:
MafiaSSK wrote:
Vaya wrote:
MafiaSSK wrote:
Vaya wrote:
MafiaSSK wrote:
UncertainKitten wrote:

SP has the right of the situation because Vaya's obv scum No, I will not elaborate more on that matter.
Is this due to official information or just a desire to protect certain scumtells you feel are true? Or is even that asking too much?
Official information.
Okay, I want you to elaborate on that, SSK. You're claiming to have role-related reasons to believe I'm scum?
Yes.
Alright, as far as I'm concerned, you're either drawing the wrong conclusions from the info you have, or are lying. Please share with us exactly what it is you know so I can figure out which it is.
1. This is exactly what scum would do.
2.I do not want to be night killed for the reason for this info.
UncertainKitten wrote:
MafiaSSK wrote:
You have mostly persuaded me. One last question that you may deign not to answer without me worrying. If you were to place a percentage confidence in your results, what would you put it as?
99%.
For the time being,
Unvote, Vote Vaya


Just be aware if Vaya is lynched today and flips town, there's only a 1% chance I'm not going after you ^-^
Vaya wrote:I still think its a good idea for SSK to fully claim this result he has against me. Kitten, do you have actual reason here to say that SSK shouldn't claim, despite the fact that he would be an obvious kill target regardless?

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That is a lovely chain of events. Also reinforced with Iec voting SSK for claiming Vaya as scum.

The Iec vote:
Iecerint wrote:I disqualified myself from starting an SP wagon back then because he was already voting me.
Clearly not voting for people he thinks to be the scummiest in his eyes.
More interested in actual wagons than just votes for who he thinks is scum.
Basically saying 'oh I didn't vote then, because it would look like OMGUS, but now that you voted for him, its not OMGUS, but a wagon.

The coaching between Iec and Vaya has been thick as well.


At this point, I'm half expecting to be daykilled, and then Iec and Vaya forgotten about and watch them live to endgame. :P
Which I'd blame UK for, for not being reactionary enough.
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:28 pm

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An odd stance, I would have thought that you of all people would appreciated behavior of the reactionary sort.
Maybe I'm picking a different playstyle today ^-^

I'm loving the wagon on me so far. I think your vote was awesome in that the reactions it caused. Mainly 2 'other' people to immediately vote me. Which are both awesome for their own reasons:
The Iec vote was my favorite point, actually ^-^

That is a lovely chain of events. Also reinforced with Iec voting SSK for claiming Vaya as scum.
Actually, that does weigh more on my mind thinking about it.

Clearly not voting for people he thinks to be the scummiest in his eyes.
More interested in actual wagons than just votes for who he thinks is scum.
Basically saying 'oh I didn't vote then, because it would look like OMGUS, but now that you voted for him, its not OMGUS, but a wagon.
...that last point is strong. Why should a townie care what they look like? I didn't even think about that :S
Which I'd blame UK for, for not being reactionary enough.
Hehe, sorry, I don't have any bullets this game ^-^

Yanno what? I've definitely been glossing over Iec's actions too much. For some reason I was biased towards thinking he was town, but honestly his recent behavior hasn't been very townie.

Unvote, Vote Iecerint


-Worrying too much about appearances (It's not OMGUS if you actually have reasoning, so damn the accusation and go forward. At least if you're townie)
-Bandwagon following (not scummy in and of itself but not very helpful to town)
-Strong defense of possible scum, assumption that SSK was the liar rather than Vaya at first (chainsaw possibly)
-Strong defense of Vaya prior to SSK's claim

I realize the last two points hinge on Vaya's alignment, but we have more information than usual regarding that. I'd say the first point though is strong enough to stand on for a vote switch.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:22 pm

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Haven't read Pages 9 and 10 yet, but


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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:23 pm

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Haven't read Pages 9 and 10 yet, but


Vote: SSK
Claim info or die.
Pages 9 and 10 remove the need for this, IMO.

I will allow you to make your own assessment, but I'd like you to tell us how you feel after reading them.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:25 pm

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I'm always very concerned about how I'm perceived. Namely, if I don't edit myself significantly, I end up wallposting everything. (Check my first Newbie game on the site (Mongol mafia) where I was mislynched D2 for an idea of how I'd play uncensored. Because of what happened there, I changed my playstyle significantly.)

I started the bandwagon on JL, so I don't think I'm guilty of bandwagon-following. And I thought I was 2nd on SP. <_<

It's true that I was following there, though. My intent was to provide the necessary pressure on SP to make him active. All he'd done up til then is random vote (though I think his "random vote" on JL was serious) and make a bad case on Vaya. Even if Vaya is scum, I still think SP's case was lazy-to-scummy.

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