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In post 21, Naomi-Tan wrote:Okay Well did earlier than I like to do. (as I like to make this post as my second post and I have something to comment on so... wanna do my second post followed by the comment). So... here we go.
Hello Everyone!, For those who know my play style this will be my normal meta post so... feel free to skip. For everyone else... time to write hiya, I'm naomi and I have a very strange play style. Starting with a quirk; I call town Green and Mafia Reds I've only recently started doing this and I do slip up on this from time to time. So... going forward bare this in mind.
Now. my Green play style is what I was talking about when I said I have a strange style. I tend to do smaller posts throughout with bigger posts on occasion day 1 I like to do bigger read lists and iso's and stuff but it normally becomes unsustainable. This alone isn't strange
The strangeness starts now. I also fear death, So.. It warps my views and sometimes I do things just to get people off me. This can easily be miss read as a Red!tell but Thats just kinda how I am. It also leads me to have a LAMIST kinda playstyle pointing things out and I'm also not very good at the game and sometimes when I notice something that looks sorta suspicious but I dunno what to do with it I'll just kinda draw attention to it and flag people into examining it on my behalf as I couldn't draw a conclusion.
I do try to be fair and try to think about things from others points of views simulating in my head if something is more likely to be a Green move or a Red move and I tend to post that kinda thing. But.... It sometimes leads me to just null conculsions or just leads no where... its kinda a thing.
I am also aware that people see these kinda posts and go; Self meta BS. when I've been doing them there are generally 3 pools of people. those who believe me, those who played with me, and those who don't. If your currently falling in the last group of players feel free to browse my wiki, I post every game I've completed in it and it can be a good source for you to confirm this information. of course most of you won't.. but that just tends to be how it is.
Finally though my account is an older one I have only played a small pool of games as I took around about a year and a half break between two of my games only starting steadily again this year. So.. though I'm an older account I lack the experience and skill of many of my contemporaries.
So.. yeah.. thats pretty much all you need to know to get a good read on myself and... yeah lets get to that post I wanted to make.-
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Out of curiosity, why don't you just put a description of your play style in your signature? Would save a lot of time and trouble in my opinion.In post 44, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 21, Naomi-Tan wrote:Okay Well did earlier than I like to do. (as I like to make this post as my second post and I have something to comment on so... wanna do my second post followed by the comment). So... here we go.
Hello Everyone!, For those who know my play style this will be my normal meta post so... feel free to skip. For everyone else... time to write hiya, I'm naomi and I have a very strange play style. Starting with a quirk; I call town Green and Mafia Reds I've only recently started doing this and I do slip up on this from time to time. So... going forward bare this in mind.
Now. my Green play style is what I was talking about when I said I have a strange style. I tend to do smaller posts throughout with bigger posts on occasion day 1 I like to do bigger read lists and iso's and stuff but it normally becomes unsustainable. This alone isn't strange
The strangeness starts now. I also fear death, So.. It warps my views and sometimes I do things just to get people off me. This can easily be miss read as a Red!tell but Thats just kinda how I am. It also leads me to have a LAMIST kinda playstyle pointing things out and I'm also not very good at the game and sometimes when I notice something that looks sorta suspicious but I dunno what to do with it I'll just kinda draw attention to it and flag people into examining it on my behalf as I couldn't draw a conclusion.
I do try to be fair and try to think about things from others points of views simulating in my head if something is more likely to be a Green move or a Red move and I tend to post that kinda thing. But.... It sometimes leads me to just null conculsions or just leads no where... its kinda a thing.
I am also aware that people see these kinda posts and go; Self meta BS. when I've been doing them there are generally 3 pools of people. those who believe me, those who played with me, and those who don't. If your currently falling in the last group of players feel free to browse my wiki, I post every game I've completed in it and it can be a good source for you to confirm this information. of course most of you won't.. but that just tends to be how it is.
Finally though my account is an older one I have only played a small pool of games as I took around about a year and a half break between two of my games only starting steadily again this year. So.. though I'm an older account I lack the experience and skill of many of my contemporaries.
So.. yeah.. thats pretty much all you need to know to get a good read on myself and... yeah lets get to that post I wanted to make.
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She comes off as kind of cute so far but I can definitely see a few people getting annoyed by the way she posts.In post 25, TwoFace wrote:FYI Naomi is the strangest player I've ever played with. She's very difficult to figure out.-
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You could make a wiki, describe it in there, and then reference it.In post 63, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Waiting for a ride to my next destination so here is your answer while I'm standing here. If I put it in sig it would be too long and every post would be a page long. Additionally as my play style evolves more things are added and sometimes removed depending on what's going on.In post 45, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Out of curiosity, why don't you just put a description of your play style in your signature? Would save a lot of time and trouble in my opinion.In post 44, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 21, Naomi-Tan wrote:Okay Well did earlier than I like to do. (as I like to make this post as my second post and I have something to comment on so... wanna do my second post followed by the comment). So... here we go.
Hello Everyone!, For those who know my play style this will be my normal meta post so... feel free to skip. For everyone else... time to write hiya, I'm naomi and I have a very strange play style. Starting with a quirk; I call town Green and Mafia Reds I've only recently started doing this and I do slip up on this from time to time. So... going forward bare this in mind.
Now. my Green play style is what I was talking about when I said I have a strange style. I tend to do smaller posts throughout with bigger posts on occasion day 1 I like to do bigger read lists and iso's and stuff but it normally becomes unsustainable. This alone isn't strange
The strangeness starts now. I also fear death, So.. It warps my views and sometimes I do things just to get people off me. This can easily be miss read as a Red!tell but Thats just kinda how I am. It also leads me to have a LAMIST kinda playstyle pointing things out and I'm also not very good at the game and sometimes when I notice something that looks sorta suspicious but I dunno what to do with it I'll just kinda draw attention to it and flag people into examining it on my behalf as I couldn't draw a conclusion.
I do try to be fair and try to think about things from others points of views simulating in my head if something is more likely to be a Green move or a Red move and I tend to post that kinda thing. But.... It sometimes leads me to just null conculsions or just leads no where... its kinda a thing.
I am also aware that people see these kinda posts and go; Self meta BS. when I've been doing them there are generally 3 pools of people. those who believe me, those who played with me, and those who don't. If your currently falling in the last group of players feel free to browse my wiki, I post every game I've completed in it and it can be a good source for you to confirm this information. of course most of you won't.. but that just tends to be how it is.
Finally though my account is an older one I have only played a small pool of games as I took around about a year and a half break between two of my games only starting steadily again this year. So.. though I'm an older account I lack the experience and skill of many of my contemporaries.
So.. yeah.. thats pretty much all you need to know to get a good read on myself and... yeah lets get to that post I wanted to make.
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What made you incorporate this green and red thing into your play style by the way?
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I want to reinforce that I really think she should start linking the way she plays in her signature.In post 69, Human Sequencer wrote:Talking about naomi's meta is boring and fruitless. It will be helpful to remember, but it'll just clog up the thread for when we want to reread it.
In fact all this talk about player meta in general is boring and fruitless.
Misa, what do you think about Chaos' vote on you? Do you have a defense?
Uzi, why did you decide to post, even though you were clearly aware of TwoFace's post at the time?
Green and red is not radical terminology, nor is it particularly confusing. What do you gain from asking that question, from a town perspective?
I think it's unlikely that TwoFace wasn't referring to Creep's wagon in post 65.
The green and red stuff objectively isn't confusing but I asked the question because I'm getting the feel I'm going to have a difficult time reading her this game. I think getting a better understanding of parts of her play style will help me in the long run. I'm also a student of the game, I'm constantly learning and looking to add new things to my game so if she has a good reason for using this technique, I might try it out in my next game.-
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Stop whining. Defend or explain the stance you took or go home.In post 91, Creeps20 wrote:
Can we just quit this? I need to study some past quotes. This is going to be WIFOM.In post 90, MortFeld wrote:I understand that Misa voted Copper and not TB. Your sentence does not explain how voting Copper for a specific reason, when TB did the same thing as Copper, is a reasonable scum strategy.-
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To each his own I guess. I can't help but feel you're seriously underestimating how difficult it might be, especially to those who have never played with her or view being overly defensive as a scum tell.In post 100, MortFeld wrote:I don't see how reading Naomi will be difficult. The only actual oddities she's described in her own play are - tendency toward defensiveness regardless of alignment, and replacement of scum/town with red/green. How does that render her unreadable?
Personally I'm null on her right now but that's because of a lack of content, not because of her oddities. Saying she'll be difficult to read looks like a pre-excuse.
Referring to Misa. Your logic is bad and you are also scummy.In post 99, Creeps20 wrote:
Referring to me or you?In post 85, MortFeld wrote:Creeps, what about the other two parts of my post? Those being:
Can you explain your idea of TB + Misa scumbuddies, specifically with regard to my question? and
Can you translate what you meant by 'And besides it never ends well when I do vote. If no one noticed that would have went well for ignoring thinkbig.'
UNVOTE: Misa
VOTE: Creeps
Bad logic is not necessarily scummy.
The WIFOM is that scum wouldn't be voting him as that would give him away. But scum could take advantage of that. But scum might think town suspects that so won't do it.In post 93, MortFeld wrote:It's not WIFOM. You voted Misa for a reason and I'm asking you to explain the reason.
I disagree that there is much WIFOM. I think scum are very unlikely, seeing their scum buddy do something, to call that exact thing scummy. Even if it is WIFOM, you are still voting based on one side of the WIFOM. It's a bad vote with your reasons.
This feels like fake outrage.In post 101, MisaTange wrote:IT'S RVS IT'S USED FOR PRESSURE AND IT'S USED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO POST AND ALSO TO THINK THEIR REASONING OUT BEFORE THEY POST AND TO PROMPT POSTS LIKE THIS 62. IT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY STAGE IN THE GAME WHERE OMGUSES AND "I VOTE HIM BECAUSE HE SMELLS BAD" VOTES ARE OKAY.
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Not really what I asking at the time. I wanted to know why you incoperated the green and red thing into your play style. Like did you notice someone else do it and take the idea or do you think it helps you do better in games?In post 140, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Its why I ALWAYS make it post 2. so you can ISO it very very quickly. as my first post is normally only 3 lines. so If you ever need to pull up that post it'll always be at the top of the iso.In post 96, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The green and red stuff objectively isn't confusing but I asked the question because I'm getting the feel I'm going to have a difficult time reading her this game. I think getting a better understanding of parts of her play style will help me in the long run. I'm also a student of the game, I'm constantly learning and looking to add new things to my game so if she has a good reason for using this technique, I might try it out in my next game.-
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EBWOPIn post 147, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Not really what I was asking at the time. I wanted to know why you incoperated the green and red thing into your play style. Like did you notice someone else do it and take the idea or do you think it helps you do better in games?In post 140, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Its why I ALWAYS make it post 2. so you can ISO it very very quickly. as my first post is normally only 3 lines. so If you ever need to pull up that post it'll always be at the top of the iso.In post 96, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The green and red stuff objectively isn't confusing but I asked the question because I'm getting the feel I'm going to have a difficult time reading her this game. I think getting a better understanding of parts of her play style will help me in the long run. I'm also a student of the game, I'm constantly learning and looking to add new things to my game so if she has a good reason for using this technique, I might try it out in my next game.-
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In post 168, Creeps20 wrote:
Why do I feel this has scum intent?In post 166, TwoFace wrote:Btw I disagree with you. I think most scum would be afraid to say they don't have reads.
Man I was scared of posting for a long time
Ah I understand, a little disappointed though since I thought it was a pro scum hunting strategy of some sort.In post 149, Naomi-Tan wrote:
oh looks like my mobile didn't send out that message.In post 148, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Not really what I was asking at the time. I wanted to know why you incoperated the green and red thing into your play style. Like did you notice someone else do it and take the idea or do you think it helps you do better in games?
though I did incorporate it after someone else used it. the reason I do is it's just a nicer way to refer to the red!team as before I used to call them scum. which is a pretty disrespectful way to address what is just other players wanting to enjoy and experience the same game as you and if I call them reds, it would be disrespectful to not call town greens as it means they are using the same kinda terms and are as equals.-
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Where is the intent? If TwoFace is scum, what does he gain? How in anyway could that statement sway the town in a direction it shouldn't be going?In post 168, Creeps20 wrote:
Why do I feel this has scum intent?In post 166, TwoFace wrote:Btw I disagree with you. I think most scum would be afraid to say they don't have reads.
Man I was scared of posting for a long time-
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What work? You stated that you feel there was scum intent behind his post without given any reasoning?In post 175, Creeps20 wrote:
Why would you think that if you were not scum? Discrediting another's work on yourselfbeing shown as scum is bad sided. I know my stuff more than you think.In post 172, TwoFace wrote:
Idk. Maybe cause you are an inexperienced player.In post 168, Creeps20 wrote:
Why do I feel this has scum intent?In post 166, TwoFace wrote:Btw I disagree with you. I think most scum would be afraid to say they don't have reads.
Man I was scared of posting for a long time
The reason I was scared of posting is that I didn't want someone to vote me for one line. As happens a lot elsewhere.-
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Scum slip? I don't see how you could have mistaken anyone for Drone at the time.In post 193, Human Sequencer wrote:Okay. I'm not suspicious of you at the moment, just to clarify.
I really wouldn't mind creeps at L-1 to be honest. I don't think a omgushammer is likely and even in worst case scenario I don't think he's going to be of much help after today, even if he does flip green.
Drone, do you agree?
This post is really weird and reads off to me. Why are you pretending to not know your own alignment?In post 197, Creeps20 wrote:
VOTE: MortFieldIn post 179, MortFeld wrote:ThinkBig, why are you voting for Misa? I asked you this way before, please answer.
UNVOTE: Creeps
VOTE: Copper
You're voting Creeps but you think Creeps is lynchbaity and will unvote if Creeps gets to L-1? How is your vote even accomplishing anything then?
I strongly despise this statement. You are complaining about someone voting me and be willing to unvote. Care to explain?
Yes I know this is essentially OMGUS but I really need something to do. I bet I will get hammered of this statement butif I flip green go for this guy please. If red then ignore this statement and ignore this vote and post.-
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Being unsure is fine. Voting for someone that you are overall not confident is scum isn't to me but if I recall correctly, I think Cooper said at the time he'd only move his vote if Creeps reached L-1 before everyone has chimed in and/or posted. That to me reads like aware and cautious considering the current game state, which is fine as well. Feels like only a quarter of the town is playing. With that being said I still have a null read on him because I think the way he's defending his definition on what is or isn't lynch bait could potentially be town with just a different take on the term. I'm not sure why he was voting for Creeps though if he was still unsure. Like if there is any doubt, don't vote.-
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Yeah this is annoying. Only brag about that sort of stuff if you roll SK every game.In post 276, TwoFace wrote:People who brag about their win percentages (which are almost always inflated) deserve death. There's no place for arrogance.-
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Bad but I'm unsure if it comes from scum. He's basically voting you because he feels you are purposely misreading him but I don't see the scum motivation to do something like that.In post 282, MortFeld wrote:LUV - what do you think about his vote on me?-
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Outside of RVS, I don't see a reason to vote someone unless you are 90 percent certain they're scum but this might be a play style thing with me which is why I didn't understand your reasoning for voting him at the time. Could you explain why you're voting for Mort a bit more in detail? Why do you feel you being misread as opposed to just a difference in belief?
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EBWOPIn post 290, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Outside of RVS, I don't see a reason to vote someone unless you are 90 percent certain they're scum but this might be a play style thing with me which is why I didn't understand your reasoning for voting him at the time. Could you explain why you're voting for Mort a bit more in detail? Why do you feel you're being misread as opposed to just a difference in beliefs?
Reaction tests are stupid in my opinion.-
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You can if you want to.In post 292, MortFeld wrote:If you'd like I can post a reads list and you can determine for yourself how accurate I am.
If you're going to play like this, sub out. Stop pretending to not know your own alignment.In post 293, Creeps20 wrote:Since you are all so certain of being scum get cop on me tonight. Preferably lookout as well too stop framing. I highly doubt that I can do much due to the massive wagon on me.
If I end up showing red feel free to kill me instantly. I don't mind.
Oh yeah when I am in a sour mood I don't state reasons. And I am most definitely in a sour mood. For outside rewsons-
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VOTE: CreepsIn post 298, Creeps20 wrote:
I was referring to framer. If he exists. I always think in a larger area with most outcomesIn post 296, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You can if you want to.In post 292, MortFeld wrote:If you'd like I can post a reads list and you can determine for yourself how accurate I am.
If you're going to play like this, sub out. Stop pretending to not know your own alignment.In post 293, Creeps20 wrote:Since you are all so certain of being scum get cop on me tonight. Preferably lookout as well too stop framing. I highly doubt that I can do much due to the massive wagon on me.
If I end up showing red feel free to kill me instantly. I don't mind.
Oh yeah when I am in a sour mood I don't state reasons. And I am most definitely in a sour mood. For outside rewsons
Yeah, you most definitely have knowledge that I or the rest of the town don't. You are thinking way too far ahead for a role like that which isn't even considered Normal.-
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Yeah, you most definitely have knowledge that I and the rest of the town don't. You are thinking way too far ahead for a role like that which isn't even considered Normal.In post 301, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
VOTE: CreepsIn post 298, Creeps20 wrote:
I was referring to framer. If he exists. I always think in a larger area with most outcomesIn post 296, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You can if you want to.In post 292, MortFeld wrote:If you'd like I can post a reads list and you can determine for yourself how accurate I am.
If you're going to play like this, sub out. Stop pretending to not know your own alignment.In post 293, Creeps20 wrote:Since you are all so certain of being scum get cop on me tonight. Preferably lookout as well too stop framing. I highly doubt that I can do much due to the massive wagon on me.
If I end up showing red feel free to kill me instantly. I don't mind.
Oh yeah when I am in a sour mood I don't state reasons. And I am most definitely in a sour mood. For outside rewsons
Yeah, you most definitely have knowledge that I or the rest of the town don't. You are thinking way too far ahead for a role like that which isn't even considered Normal.
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No, that role is way too unfair for town in a good scum teams hands.In post 302, Creeps20 wrote:I don't like to respond to people who I think are scum
@Copper - I guess it could be. I don't know how to not waste a day and get at least 1 vote of me. I have been terrible at defences and shall always be.
@Uzi - It doesn't count as normal? Oh.-
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I don't see someone new to mafia or at least new to this site attempting to pull something like that. I think it is more likely he's playing the too scummy to be scum card.In post 311, copper223 wrote:@Creeps
Framers are non-normal.
@Uzi
But see, if Scum_Creeps can figure out he should preemptively plant the idea that if he flips guilty on a cop result it's a framer, in case he manages to buy an extra day, then why is he making obvious slips like ignoring his alignment when explaining his views?
I don't buy it, I think he is just paranoid and a desperate newbie town that is trying to find a mechanic to stay alive as opposed to having to defend himself by posting (which never works for him).-
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Even though this is not entirely why I think he's scum, anti-town in my experience is usually a strong indicator that someone is scumIn post 315, copper223 wrote:@Uzi
Well I am pretty confident (for a D1 read at least) that this would be a mislynch now so I hope you change your mind, especially because I think you are town as well.-
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Yeah I'm not really understanding the case for Mort. The question thing is valid though as it's weird he didn't want to answer again but when I originally read why he didn't want to, I felt genuine frustration.
Drone, could you please sit with me and tell me how Creeps is clearly town? Also are you thin-skinned? I ask because the posts you quoted that ultimately led you to call for the mod to clarify on language and personal issues seem pretty soft to me.-
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Yeah I don't buy this at all.In post 345, Human Sequencer wrote:Alright.
I didn't realize key told us he was V/LA. Sorry about that.-
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@Drone: I'm content and happy with who I'm currently voting for so I'm not going to move my vote right now, especially after I haven't really sorted HC or seen anyone else other than Copper if I'm recalling correctly, try to. His response to why he called you out was fine to me, I just don't buy he didn't see that you were v/LA.
I don't see why Creeps can't be playing the too scummy to be scum card.
As for your stance on the language thing I'm with you, I'm all for positive vibes. I've just seen a lot worse.-
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Was it when he asked Creeps why should the town keep him? If so, that read kind of off to me as well.In post 375, Human Sequencer wrote:You should give that another look. There's no way I could test his V/LA as you seem to imply I was doing in your second line and also miss the V/LA as you believe I do in the first line.
TwoFace, please link me right now to where you already discussed your view on Copper. I can't find it.
Regardless, what incentive does scumCopper have to do that?
Drone worries me. I'll explain why later, if it becomes relevant. I'm just signposting this now so it doesn't look like I'm talking out of my ass later on.-
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In post 432, copper223 wrote:I think TC wouldn't be too happy with the comparison.
TC is a logical player that follows his win-con, I don't think Creeps can be analyzed the same way...
Who's TC?In post 443, Toto wrote:
I think understand what you mean here. However:In post 432, copper223 wrote:I think TC wouldn't be too happy with the comparison.
TC is a logical player that follows his win-con, I don't think Creeps can be analyzed the same way...
1) That was one of TC's least logical moments.
2) I still don't see the good intentions behind the posts I saw with other newbtown that were playing bad. Like you say the guy is just trying to stay alive today.
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Agreed. I'm not sure why it was even started after he clearly stated he was going to be on v/LA until after the election. Why he keeps checking in while on v/LA is a mystery but it may be the reason for his reads and who he has and hasn't voted for.In post 449, Toto wrote:TB's wagon is probably a dead end until he is back from VL//A-
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Seems easier to just reread all at once but each his own.In post 455, ThinkBig wrote:
I keep checking in order to at least keep up with the DP and attempting to answer as many questions as possible.In post 454, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Agreed. I'm not sure why it was even started after he clearly stated he was going to be on v/LA until after the election. Why he keeps checking in while on v/LA is a mystery but it may be the reason for his reads and who he has and hasn't voted for.In post 449, Toto wrote:TB's wagon is probably a dead end until he is back from VL//A-
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Well, this is basically a whole new game now with 3 incoming replacements. Glad things seemed to have cooled down a bit, looked like we were about to self destruct there and that's something I'd like to avoid entirely.
Misa requesting to sub out is NAI to me. She wasn't close to being lynched and the focus had been more on Cooper, Mort, Two Face, and TB at the time than her.-
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How do you know? If I'm recalling correctly, at one point you said were scared to post, why does her being scared to post make her scum and why does the reasoning you're hopefully going to give me to justify your vote, not apply to you?In post 548, Creeps20 wrote:
Not inactive. Scared to post.In post 547, Drone wrote:
Agree on TB case.In post 529, ChaosOmega wrote:
Other players...
ThinkBig's iso looks pretty ok to me. Anyone that's scumreading him, mind showing me what you're seeing there?
Drone, why did you unvote TwoFace? And why are you not voting Misa?
About mine: me not voting Misa is a direct outcome of the inactivity I spoke of, where I meant the replacements and lots of others being inactive (you, TB and Creeps) when I said I can't work with the inactivity.
Not to mention Misa is replacing out, sometimes it's not the slot, but the players that make the difference.
I just can't focus right now with the recent events. Need things to get back to order.
TF unvote is because I feel my reads on him are based on huge and sad misread on both TF's, and Copper's sides.
To keep the vote I have to be sure I'm doing the right thing, and to be sure I'll have to ISO TF, again.
VOTE: misa
Different doesn't necessarily mean she's scum though. I'm just having trouble understanding your vote as well anyone currently voting for the slot at the moment.In post 556, Creeps20 wrote:
Copper feels townish. Let's see what is going on with his replacement shall we?In post 552, TwoFace wrote:I wouldn't object to a misa lynch. Much better than a TB lynch. Not as good as a copper or HS lynch though.
@mortfield entirely different that when I played with her.
Oh and I was not stating that. I was referring upon myself.
Twoface wrong thread-
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This.In post 577, Toto wrote:
We are not lynching anyone until we have all replacements.In post 552, TwoFace wrote:I wouldn't object to a misa lynch. Much better than a TB lynch. Not as good as a copper or HS lynch though.
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Scum reading anyone advocating for a policy lynch.
Wobbuffet, you replaced in the game and refused to read the reason why TF scum reads your slot. I'd get pissed to if someone was voting for me and had no clue as to what's going on. We were at 24 pages when you replaced in, not a 100. That's laziness and reads like you plan to be unhelpful for the rest of the game since you didn't even bother to fact check when HC gave you the rundown. You also said you're town reading TF, you don't vote your town reads, ever.
Drone, your recent vote for TF reads like you already know TF's alignment.
Omega, you just hopped on and I don't buy that you've been offended but I won't get into that. You also said you didn't really like Wobbuffet's entrance and yet your on the TF wagon. How can you sheep someone who you don't seem to be fan or and as far as I can tell has no opinions on everyone else in the game?
Naomi, you don't seem like you've been trying to sort anyone. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt considering the game state but the way you hopped on this wagon concerns me as I thought you be one of the few players to understand why policy lynches are always an awful idea.
HC, your vote reads like you really don't want to do this but scared that if TF flips scum, you'll be scum read for not being on the wagon.
Policy lynching in general is a lazy way for one to get through Day 1 without scum hunting or taking real stances. If you guys really don't want Two Face in the game, just get the mod to replace him. It's better for the games atmosphere.
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EBWOPIn post 695, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Scum reading anyone advocating for a policy lynch.
Wobbuffet, you replaced in the game and refused to read the reason why TF scum reads your slot. I'd get pissed to if someone was voting for me and had no clue as to what's going on. We were at 24 pages when you replaced in, not a 100. That's laziness and reads like you plan to be unhelpful for the rest of the game since you didn't even bother to fact check when HC gave you the rundown. You also said you're town reading TF, you don't vote your town reads, ever.
Drone, your recent vote for TF reads like you already know TF's alignment.
Omega, you just hopped on and I don't buy that you've been offended but I won't get into that. You also said you didn't really like Wobbuffet's entrance and yet your on the TF wagon. How can you sheep someone who you don't seemto be a fan ofand as far as I can tell has no opinions on everyone else in the game?
Naomi, you don't seem like you've been trying to sort anyone. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt considering the game state but the way you hopped on this wagon concerns me as I thought you be one of the few players to understand why policy lynches are always an awful idea.
HC, your vote reads like you really don't want to do this but scared that if TF flips scum, you'll be scum read for not being on the wagon.
Policy lynching in general is a lazy way for one to get through Day 1 without scum hunting or taking real stances. If you guys really don't want Two Face in the game, just get the mod to replace him. It's better for the games atmosphere.
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EBWOPIn post 699, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I actually have weak scum reads on you, Drone, and Omega. Strongest read would be Wobbuffet.-
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Not really. I really didn't like the statement that came along with your vote because it read to like you have more knowledge than myself and the rest of the town. Obviously I can't prove that but it just jumped my suspicions up a little.In post 701, Drone wrote:Policy lynch as a reasoning is NAI.
Scum policy lynched is no different from town policy lynched. It's still policy.
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In post 720, Human Sequencer wrote:I didn't want to policy lynch TwoFace because I read him as very town,but I did want to policy lynch Creeps because I have no idea what his alignment is.Therefore, we have a higher chance of flipping scum in my eyes.
Thankfully, we're out of policy lynch territory and I'm 100% willing to give TwoFace another chance. Especially if he posts more like he has been recently.
I don't want to really advance the game any more with so many people absent or getting replaced.
That is never a good reason to policy lynch someone. The only time I think it's even remotely acceptable is when a player is playing extremely anti-town and even then, getting the mod to handle the situation is a million times better.-
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@Mort:I think HS may be using his lack of understanding of what constitutes a policy lynch to push scum motivations.
There is no reason for town to do what he did and I'm struggling as to whether he's truly just inexperienced as in he doesn't understand why role fishing is something one as town should never do or scum playing the too scummy to scum card
Either way, I'm fine with an HS lynch at this point.
VOTE: HS
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Understandable. I'm the same way in the sense I play better in the moment and really don't like to reread, but I have learned it's a must if you want to do well so I can sympathize. Though I would feel more comfortable if you at least showed signs that you attempted to understand what happened before subbing in.In post 846, Road Kamelot wrote:
I havent reread yet i was saying that i dont usually get good reads from rereading i need to talk to people not read after the factIn post 838, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: @Kamelot:Why did you vote for Creeps after admitting that you haven't really read the thread? Why did you feel your reads were crap after attempting to reread?
I voted for creeps bc i wanted to test what Mort said
was disappointed
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Which pushes in particular? I personally wasn't a fan of the Misa or TF pushes. If it's this one going on currently, I don't really see how you can be so sure HS is town.In post 855, Road Kamelot wrote:Kay ty
Reading when i get the chance. Dont like the pushes ive seen so far but we'll see
I could be wrong on Twoface but im really sure HS is town and that claim post should be all the evidence needed
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Why did you vote for TB here? He hasn't made his catch-up post yet.In post 856, MortFeld wrote:I agree with that, for now.
UNVOTE: HS
Wondering whether it's better to get a wagon on TB so he decides to pretend to play this game, or if I'd rather vote Wobbu. Misa/Road slot looking slightly better except for the aversion to reading.
VOTE: TB
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I'm sure he knows he needs to make it before taking any action or jumping back into the fray. Voting him there just read so out of place to me.In post 893, MortFeld wrote:Because he hasn't made the post yet. Nobody can prove he's game avoiding or not but I want incentive for him to make it just the same. I also SR him independently of his lack of recent contribution. I feel like the questionable decision there was unvoting HS, not voting TB.
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EBWOPIn post 895, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I'm sure he knows he needs to make it before taking any action or jumping back into the fray. Voting him there just read so out of place to me.In post 893, MortFeld wrote:Because he hasn't made the post yet. Nobody can prove he's game avoiding or not but I want incentive for him to make it just the same. I also SR him independently of his lack of recent contribution. I feel like the questionable decision there was unvoting HS, not voting TB.
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EBWOPIn post 895, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I'm sure he knows he needs to make it before taking any action or jumping back into the fray. Voting him there just read so out of place to me.In post 893, MortFeld wrote:Because he hasn't made the post yet. Nobody can prove he's game avoiding or not but I want incentive for him to make it just the same. I also SR him independently of his lack of recent contribution. I feel like the questionable decision there was unvoting HS, not voting TB.
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Except there was motivation there for him to advocate that we should policy lynch Creeps because Creeps had soft claimed earlier. As Toto pointed out, HS looked like he was getting intimidated after the soft claims and since he assumed TF was claiming vigilante, I don't see why he wouldn't naturally try to shift the focus to Creeps since if I recall correctly, there was no little to no hints as to what power role Creeps may or may not have.In post 937, Road Kamelot wrote:
You asked why this makes HS look townIn post 843, MortFeld wrote:
Yes, none of what I'm saying is disputing that Creeps is a policy lynch. Let me lay out what I'm saying:In post 839, Human Sequencer wrote:A policy lynch is a lynch on policy instead of player read, isn't it?
-According to you, you pushed lynching Creeps as an alternative to lynching TF because you thought a policy lynch was inevitable and Creeps was more likely to be scum.
-This would be the town motivation for the push - there are numerous plausible scum motivations. If both sides are equally plausible the push was NAI.
-Your stated town motivation makes absolutely no sense. Even if a policy lynch was inevitable, it was a policy lynchof TF. Introducing Creeps as an alternative does nothing about the TF policy lynch; it's a completely different discussion. You're not explaining this part. How does saying 'Policy lynch Creeps instead!' convince people not to PL TF?
-Granted, even if this is explained, there are a number of other issues with the play. Also, the scum case makes way more sense than the town still. Creeps had softclaimed (though you claim to not have noticed and I kind of believe you?), Creeps is nowhere near a reasonable PL in my mind (he's new and bad, but he's not ruining the game. There are 3 scum), and you then voted TF 'once a policy lynch became inevitable.' Huh? You thought TF was town. Why would you ever vote a townie? And your vote took it to L-2, I'd hardly call L-3 inevitable but L-2 is getting there.
This sums up why I think your part in the PL wagon was scummy.
Pedit: yeah I'm curious about anyone's reasoning for strongly TRing LUV at this point.
For one its completely understandable to mix up a few things. namely that an alternative policy lynch somehow cancels out the first
This sort of illogical thinking is towny bc theres no scum motivation
UNLESS you made the case that HS was sort of losing footing and needed to explain himself offhand and made a mistake in doing so, but i dont see that happening and i dont think you see it either
So putting that aside, what does scum HS gain from proposing a different policy lynch? And something like making a mistake in assuming a policy lynch is inevitable or not, thats not scummy thats just a mistake. Theres no attempt at subterfuge, manipulation, coasting, etc. theres just doing what he thinks is correct and making some errors
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In post 939, Human Sequencer wrote:You could say the same about literally anybody else on the TF policy lynch wagon. I was vocally against it and tried to come up with a better solution, shouldn't that clear me relative to the others?
Who said anyone was SR Mort?In post 945, Human Sequencer wrote:BTW anybody scumreading Mort is just wrong at this point.
Unless my radar is waaay fucking off
You're kind of admitting that you just go with the flow and that's a terrible mindset to have. The thing is I don't think you went with the flow because you didn't know what to do but because you were afraid to rub anyone the wrong way.In post 949, Human Sequencer wrote:I voted TF because he was the dominant wagon at the time, and I didn't see it changing anytime soon. 'PL is inevitable' was my vote on creeps, 'TF lynch is inevitable' was my vote on TF.
I didn't just make it up, I did signpost that I'd join if TF's wagon didn't stop gaining steam.In post 631, Human Sequencer wrote:If push comes to shove I suppose I'll join along, but it really is a last resort for me. Creeps, TB and Misa's slot are all much better options in my eyes.-
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These are my thoughts exactly. When it was going down it read like he only jumped on because he didn't want to be SR for not being on the wagon.In post 951, MortFeld wrote:I guess that's what's holding me up. It's not just that HS thought TF was probably town, but the way they interacted with the wagon shows they didn't agree a PL was necessary.-
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