Mini 1830 - Game Over

[House]

@House

If Eager flips town and you move to lynch wagon away from Gamma tomorrow you are scum with Gamma.

As if you couldn't shift the lynch wagon. That's what you're best at as town. Rallying for lynches. Give me a break.

If eager somehow flips town (not a chance in hell), I'll forfeit my case on Gamma, as it depends on an eager scumflip.

QED.

Why is that? Why is it both or Neither?

I didn't say both or neither. I said my suspicion on the second is predicated on the guilt of the first.

Gamma may or may not be scum regardless of an eager flip, but an inno on eager will negate my Gamma case.

[House]

Your case on me had been either no reasoning, or bad reasoning. The statement has nothing to do with your case on CCC. Now you've misconstrued my words.

And how could you say my case on you was rapture nonexistent or bad if you were unaware of what it was?

Cases on town can still be good, so you don't have that bullshit excuse.

Keep squirming.

[House]

Your case on me had been either no reasoning, or bad reasoning. The statement has nothing to do with your case on CCC. Now you've misconstrued my words.

And how could you say my case on you was either nonexistent or bad if you were unaware of what it was?

Cases on town can still be good, so you don't have that bullshit excuse.

Keep squirming.

EBWOP

[House]

Alright, I'm going to have to seriously rethink my suspicion of Gamma if we get an eager scum flip today because he has zero reason to bus with such an opportunistic Manuel mislynch possibility.

[House]

I'm a town PR.

I crumbed, too.

Trying to establish scumteams isn't relevant until the first scumflip anyway.

I

disagree. Est

a

blishing scu

m

teams is a great way to POE people into your town

block

. For example, we will number players

1-11

.

Count the letters, then count the words.

Way to go, Gamma.

VOTE: House

Scum crumb too. I call bullshit.

[House]

It's a roleblocker crumb I learned from DLA.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=67900

Scum roleblocker? Awesome. Lynch this!

[House]

I'm a town PR.

I crumbed, too.

Trying to establish scumteams isn't relevant until the first scumflip anyway.

I

disagree. Est

a

blishing scu

m

teams is a great way to POE people into your town

block

. For example, we will number players

1-11

.

Count the letters, then count the words.

Way to go, Gamma.

VOTE: House

That is not a crumb.

I could pick random letters out of any post to form words and claim a PR.

[House]

What is with town Roleblockers getting outed Day 1 in games I'm in?

eager was in that game with you as well.

Do you really think he's incapable of manipulating you like this?

[House]

What is with town Roleblockers getting outed Day 1 in games I'm in?

eager was in that game with you as well.

Do you really think he's incapable of manipulating you like this?

WRONG, though Grendel was in that game.

My bad, I thought you were in the game eager linked.

[House]

Now he is trying to lynch scumclaim

ed PR

.

Stop

listen

ing

to

his bullshit

him, will you?

I have more pressing matters to attend to. I will likely not be back until after deadline. I'm

blocking

shooting Manuel tonight.

orly?

[House]

VOTE: Square
What makes you entitled to hammer?

Please stop derping, we don't have time for this right now.

[House]

Grendel, you should want this flip because a red eager = town Gamma.

Why would he bus his buddy with Manuel being a viable alternative?

[House]

Oh yeah, Gamma... stop derping.

[House]

cc

You say no way there's a town roleblocker, then you counterclaim?

If we had the time to swing the wagon on you, I'd powerlynch your ass on those grounds alone.

[House]

don't worry i am not a full roleblocker

Alrighty then, I get ya.

[House]

Doc on square with a scum flip, please.

[House]

*does a happy dance*

Hammer this scumfuck!

[House]

I think we need to find the remaining scum between CCC, Victor, The_Jester, and Huntress (I asked to replace into GreenNope's slot because I thought it might be scum, lol).

[House]

He isn't in my preferred lynch pile. If you want me to help lynch him, I want a persuasive case.

After doing the Iso on him plus Eager i realized he was following Eagers vote almost every time while scumreading him without giving any convincing reason.

..I saw Gamma follow Eager's vote once onto Square World, and once onto Manuel. Am I missing something?

Doesn't matter, Gamma isn't eager's buddy.

[House]

[House]

He isn't in my preferred lynch pile. If you want me to help lynch him, I want a persuasive case.

After doing the Iso on him plus Eager i realized he was following Eagers vote almost every time while scumreading him without giving any convincing reason.

..I saw Gamma follow Eager's vote once onto Square World, and once onto Manuel. Am I missing something?

Doesn't matter, Gamma isn't eager's buddy.

Yeah, Gamma's vote on Eager is a pretty strong argument. So is Grendel's. And Eager's push on Manuel suggests Manuel is probably Town as well. I'm not quite sure what to make of Square's counterclaim...

The only person that should care about Square is a doc/bodyguard/jailkeeper. Those types of folks should visit him tonight.

Square is town.

[House]

The reason d1 lynches land on town so often is because people mindlessly look for the obvscum "tells", which is stupid because scum will be at their most vigilant in the early game.

My case on eager is far more indicative of scum motive than the contrived shit Manuel was getting run up for.

[House]

I 100% guarantee a scum win.

You have the credibility of a used car salesman.

[House]

Well that explains what he said.

What did he say that his death explains?

[House]

He said he wasn't a full roleblocker. The flip explains what he fully meant.

You sure seem cued up on the NK.

Gamma is back on the table as scum. Yesterday could have been a bus to buy towncred because he knew I wasn't going to stop until eager was dead anyway.

[House]

Bleh. I'm sure I could have said that better, but I said what I meant. I was interested in his statement, so seeing his flip would obviously pique my interest.

Yeah. Why so interested in the outed PR claim?

[House]

To be clear, Gamma... you hopping off eager's wagon is what renewed my suspicion of you. It was a clear distancing attempt after being called out on your scum theater with him.

You getting back on the wagon

after a counterclaim

does not make you town.

VOTE: Gamma

[House]

After some consideration, I'm thinking I should order the current players (based on current impressions) from Towniest to Mafiaest like so:

CCC
Manuel87
House
Huntress
Gamma Emerald
Grendel
VictorDeAngelo
The_Jester and gerry_oat (there is little to distinguish these two from each other)

This reads list is trash and I'm coming for your head next.

[House]

I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

Everybody was wrong about Manuel, and you're wrong about gerry.

Vote the obvscum so we can finish this game please. I'd like a perfect town win on this one.

[House]

To be clear, Gamma... you hopping off eager's wagon is what renewed my suspicion of you. It was a clear distancing attempt after being called out on your scum theater with him.

You getting back on the wagon

after a counterclaim

does not make you town.

VOTE: Gamma

No. I believed his claim until he was CCed. Look at what I said during twilight.

His claim was a desperation tactic. I nearly countered it, myself.

[House]

I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

Everybody was wrong about Manuel, and you're wrong about gerry.

Vote the obvscum so we can finish this game please. I'd like a perfect town win on this one.

Hey, I wasn't wrong about Manuel, I was wrong about SquareWorld

Let's assume your wrong on at least one of Gamma/CCC. What's your current read on Gerry?

I'm not wrong about Gamma.

If I'm wrong about CCC, I'm coming for you over gerry.

I feel pretty good about my CCC read though.

[House]

You are wrong about me though.

You asked me to consider CCC scum with eager (which I was already tuned in on as a possibility), where is your interest in him today?

[House]

I can vote here too.

VOTE: CCC

[House]

I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. I'm not saying it's confirmed though: just a connection I made.
VOTE: CCC

Explain the connection you made, please.

It's obviously very different from my own suspicion.

[House]

However, unless there's anything more than you presented yesterday, I think your case against CCC is more noobtells than scumtells.

When have I ever given complete reasoning without compelling reason to so?

[House]

@House it's very simple: Eager was chainsaw defending his buddy.

Where?

[House]

However, unless there's anything more than you presented yesterday, I think your case against CCC is more noobtells than scumtells.

When have I ever given complete reasoning without compelling reason to so?

Getting my vote isn't a compelling reason?

That makes me feel bad.

Timing is everything.

Give town too much time, and scum can squirm out of a valid wagon.

[House]

And you'll probably get my head, too. My continual Townread of Eager yesterday must make me look horribly suspicious.

You're not the only one that townread eager.

Want to try again?

[House]

At which point you'll find out that you're wrong, because I am Town. But you're stubborn enough that I don't think I can persuade you of that.

It's this kind of shading that makes me hesitant to change my read, because you are well aware that my reads do change, as my scumread of you in our last game together evaporated, albeit too late for me to feel comfortable dismantling your wagon.

Doesn't change the fact you know I unvoted you and started that I was longer scumreading you.

For you to say this, it feels disingenuous.

[House]

It doesn't really matter why you think I'm Mafia.

And that's straight up bullshit.

Town should be demanding reasons so they can refute them.

Not a fan of AtE.

[House]

I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

please explain why i'm mafia. because i tr eagersnake? like a few other people?

It's more than that. What made me look at you again, was the way you deflected my vote off eagersnake onto Square at the end of yesterday. If my vote stuck at the time it would made snake a viable counter wagon to manuel (who would likely be the mislynch instead). Shame for you, it didn't matter for you in the end.
I also looked over your interactions with snake again over night, and you seemed to simply townread snake early on and never wavered, nor delivered any specifics. Sure other people townread eagersnake but what I'd like to know is why you did? So what made eager so town to you?

Yes, because as mafia i'd hard buddy my GOON. especially when he was getting lynched.

I'm sorry, do you want towncred for not bussing or something? Cause that's ridiculous.

You even admit we had the same read on square. So what makes me mafia then? If we both had the same reads?? please explain

.

More crap. You can't claim that because we shared one read means you can't be scum.

VOTE: victor

Unless victor explains how me having the same tr and sr as him makes me mafia, I'm lynching him today.

Ah, sweet OMGUS. With bogus reasoning. I'm going to make myself confortable on Gerry wagon. Who'd like to join me?

No.

[House]

Please stop creating noise, you two.

Neither of you are getting lynched unless one of CCC or Gamma flips town.

If you want to be productive, get on one of those two or tell me why I'm wrong.

[House]

Please stop creating noise, you two.

Neither of you are getting lynched unless one of CCC or Gamma flips town.

If you want to be productive, get on one of those two or tell me why I'm wrong.

[House]

Please stop creating noise, you two.

Neither of you are getting lynched unless one of CCC or Gamma flips town.

If you want to be productive, get on one of those two or tell me why I'm wrong.

I already told you why I don't agree with your CCC read!

No you didn't.

Also, you should be voting Gamma since you can't argue that one.

[House]

I actually didn't study the game at all last night, I should go back and adjust my reads now that I have flips to work with.

Not to discourage you from doing the right thing, but why are you doing what I'm asking if you are not up to speed?

[House]

I'm sure I did, but it's too late, and I'm not bothering to self ISO myself nor your case. IIRC your case was mostly just signs that CCC doesn't play in a way that you expect town to. Looking over his last games he seems to be a newish player, with a somewhat unconventional playstyle. I didn't find anything incriminating and your strongest point was actually CCC correcting a mistake I made.

Terrible.

I'm coming for you if we have a single town flip between these two.

[House]

Victor, you do not want a 1v1 with gerry. It would not end well for you.

I advise you stop the slap fight and start lynching scum.

[House]

I'm not voting Gamma for you. I'm voting Gamma because he is scum.

Like I have been saying forever now.

A quick ISO scan confirmed this, feeling better about you again.

[House]

I actually didn't study the game at all last night, I should go back and adjust my reads now that I have flips to work with.

I want a catch-up series, with plenty of fresh notes.

Note #1: You are scum.

[House]

I actually didn't study the game at all last night, I should go back and adjust my reads now that I have flips to work with.

I want a catch-up series, with plenty of fresh notes.

Note #1: You are scum.

Shut up. This will help me read him.

Don't worry, hell repeat it for you.

[House]

Also Grendel as I had him down as a possible associate of CCC and/or eager.

Explain this, please.

[House]

Try to defend yourself. You sound like caught scum now.

Who, me?

I suppose I do. Given how much I was townreading eager on day one, if I didn't know I was Town I'd probably suspect me, too.

I'm Town. I was wrong about eager. I don't really know what to add to that.

Neither of those things are why I scumread you.

[House]

Try to defend yourself. You sound like caught scum now.

Who, me?

I suppose I do. Given how much I was townreading eager on day one, if I didn't know I was Town I'd probably suspect me, too.

I'm Town. I was wrong about eager. I don't really know what to add to that.

Town can have bad reads. What you need to do is prove how Eager pretty much whiteknighting you doesn't implicate you. If you can prove that you'll be a whole lot better in my eyes.

One person's actions doesn't implicate a second... and certainly not enough to lynch them.

That's terribad.

[House]

And yet people are accusing me of being Eager's buddy because of his weak vote on me. Try again House.

I'm not, so your flimsy objection is irrelevant.

[House]

Try to defend yourself. You sound like caught scum now.

Who, me?

I suppose I do. Given how much I was townreading eager on day one, if I didn't know I was Town I'd probably suspect me, too.

I'm Town. I was wrong about eager. I don't really know what to add to that.

Town can have bad reads. What you need to do is prove how Eager pretty much whiteknighting you doesn't implicate you. If you can prove that you'll be a whole lot better in my eyes.

Eager knows I'm Town. I'm cautious on my reads, but I've got him as my top Townread and I've been refusing to vote him on those grounds. I'm also more easily swayed by his words than the words of most other players.

This is a Town player that Scum wants to keep around. As long as Eager lives, he can try to steer my vote towards other Townies - and he has reason to believe that I'm unlikely to vote for him. And if Eager dies, then his whiteknighting makes me look scummy as anything, giving a strong push towards a mislynch.

That's okay CCC, I still scumread you over your own actions instead of some other person's.

I hope that gives you some consolation, at least.

[House]

And yet people are accusing me of being Eager's buddy because of his weak vote on me. Try again House.

I'm not, so your flimsy objection is irrelevant.

Well it's not all about you!

It is to me.

[House]

CCC, I'm still not seeing any reads from you.

Please provide an updated readslist. Kthx!

[House]

Honestly, I can't even refute the reason I came up with. And you think you have a better reason than that? Surely that means I have even less chance of refuting it.

How can you possibly know if you don't ask?

Your disinterest in my case against you feels like caught scum dreading the gallows that will inevitably befall him once the prosecution rests.

You are making a case for scum!CCC by avoiding mine.

[House]

Also, I don't believe in "too scummy to be scum."

I only believe in "too scummy to be town."

[House]

I looked back at your case House, and it doesn't feel as strong now. To remedy that, I want you to tell me what CCC has been doing that's scummy since you presented that case.

I don't care what you want, scum. Stop interfering in my interaction with CCC.

[House]

I looked back at your case House, and it doesn't feel as strong now. To remedy that, I want you to tell me what CCC has been doing that's scummy since you presented that case.

I don't care what you want, scum. Stop interfering in my interaction with CCC.

If you want me to vote with you, you're gonna have to do this.
UNVOTE:

I would rather you swing, tbh.

[House]

I looked back at your case House, and it doesn't feel as strong now. To remedy that, I want you to tell me what CCC has been doing that's scummy since you presented that case.

I don't care what you want, scum. Stop interfering in my interaction with CCC.

If you want me to vote with you, you're gonna have to do this.
UNVOTE:

I would rather you swing, tbh.

Why?

Just fulfilling my win con, nothing personal.

[House]

Gamma Emerald - Neither eager's vote on him nor his vote on eager are good reasons to townread him, as they were both done in such a way as to suggest a possibility of bussing.

Also has been looking scummy since day one.

Also on occasion followed eager's reads with little explanation, despite professing to scumread eager.

Where was this opinion d1?

How did he look scummy d1?

Explain clearly, please.

[House]

What did you just...what.
Tell me why I should still townread you, House.

I'm pretty sure that he's saying he thinks you're scum.

That can't be news to him.

[House]

Look who just vanished after I called him out.
VOTE: House

[House]

What did you just...what.
Tell me why I should still townread you, House.

I'm pretty sure that he's saying he thinks you're scum.

I get that. I think he could be fulfilling a scum win con too though.

Oh Lord.

Internet cookies to the first person that posts why Gamma is full of shit.

[House]

@CCC:

Gamma Emerald - Neither eager's vote on him nor his vote on eager are good reasons to townread him, as they were both done in such a way as to suggest a possibility of bussing.

Also has been looking scummy since day one.

Also on occasion followed eager's reads with little explanation, despite professing to scumread eager.

Where was this opinion d1?

How did he look scummy d1?

Explain clearly, please.

[House]

Look who just vanished after I called him out.
VOTE: House

Yeah sure laugh it up while you can, I think I got you figured out.

You're trying to wagon the closest thing this game has to conftown, and you know I've already got a case on you waiting in the wings.

You sure you want to grab this bull by the horns, boy?

[House]

Honestly, I can't even refute the reason I came up with. And you think you have a better reason than that? Surely that means I have even less chance of refuting it.

How can you possibly know if you don't ask?

Your disinterest in my case against you feels like caught scum dreading the gallows that will inevitably befall him once the prosecution rests.

You are making a case for scum!CCC by avoiding mine.

If you think that actually

presenting

your case will increase the probability of catching scum, then you should do so. Whether I ask for it or not.

I think your buddy Gamma has a notion that he can flip the script and get me mislynched after I singlehandedly strong-armed his buddy's lynch yesterday, so you just might get to see day 3.

[House]

I'm sure I did, but it's too late, and I'm not bothering to self ISO myself nor your case. IIRC your case was mostly just signs that CCC doesn't play in a way that you expect town to. Looking over his last games he seems to be a newish player, with a somewhat unconventional playstyle. I didn't find anything incriminating and your strongest point was actually CCC correcting a mistake I made.

Terrible.

I'm coming for you if we have a single town flip between these two.

THIS is the post that upon retrospect makes me think House is scum. He probably knows at least one of us will flip town and he can pursue this lynch later. I'm thinking House as last scum in a 2 person team or House and CCC in a 3 person team. I dont add a second/third because Eager already flipped scum.

So I'm going to...

1) Lynch my buddy d1...
2) Implicate another buddy in a twofer d2...
3) Just to set ONE townie up for a mislynch?

Yeah... No.

VOTE: Gamma

This can die today.

[House]

@CCC: How did Gamma's interaction with Huntress look scummy to you?

[House]

I'm sure I did, but it's too late, and I'm not bothering to self ISO myself nor your case. IIRC your case was mostly just signs that CCC doesn't play in a way that you expect town to. Looking over his last games he seems to be a newish player, with a somewhat unconventional playstyle. I didn't find anything incriminating and your strongest point was actually CCC correcting a mistake I made.

Terrible.

I'm coming for you if we have a single town flip between these two.

THIS is the post that upon retrospect makes me think House is scum. He probably knows at least one of us will flip town and he can pursue this lynch later. I'm thinking House as last scum in a 2 person team or House and CCC in a 3 person team. I dont add a second/third because Eager already flipped scum.

So I'm going to...

1) Lynch my buddy d1...
2) Implicate another buddy in a twofer d2...
3) Just to set ONE townie up for a mislynch?

Yeah... No.

VOTE: Gamma

This can die today.

You'd be on the wagons of two of your buddies though. And I didn't say there had to be 3 mafia

Who the fuck sells out two mafia for one mislynch???

Also, who's the other buddy I'm selling out, since eager is dead?

[House]

CCC. You seem VERY confident there is 3 mafia.

Lol.

You're seriously saying I'm selling out two buddies to mislynch one townie.

Do I have that right?

I need to make damned certain I'm understanding this theory of yours.

[House]

Well more than one. Me first, then Victor, then either Gerry or TheJester.

And in order to set up these (new) mislynches, I first have to decimate MY OWN TEAM.

Do I have that right?

[House]

GAMMA!

IN ORDER TO MISLYNCH TOWN, I HAVE TO STRONGARM A LYNCH ON MY OWN TEAM WHEN HE HAD NO PRESSURE WHATSOEVER.

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO BELIEVE.

[House]

Case. Fucking. Closed.

[House]

You would get a ton of towncred though for that lynch being right.

You're so full of shit it's spewing out of your mouth.

There's a reason people say 1:1 trades favor town, math whiz.

Town isn't going to follow me like the fucking pied piper just because I led one successful scum lynch.

Cease in point... you aren't hammered yet, but I think you've resolved that issue with your bullshit push on me.

[House]

You would get a ton of towncred though for that lynch being right.

You're so full of shit it's spewing out of your mouth.

There's a reason people say 1:1 trades favor town, math whiz.

Town isn't going to follow me like the fucking pied piper just because I led one successful scum lynch.

Case in point... you aren't hammered yet, but I think you've resolved that issue with your bullshit push on me.

EBWOP

[House]

Wow I can't believe I forgot that.

UnFOS: House

Plot twist

:

What if Manuel was my other buddy and I traded him for eager?!

[House]

Wow I can't believe I forgot that.

UnFOS: House

Time out.

You're completely fine with thinking I'll sell out not just one,

but two buddies

for towncred...

BUT I WOULDN'T STOP A TOWN MISLYNCH AS SCUM?

This bullshit is all kinds of contrived and he's falling all over his own theories.

[House]

Spoiler: punitively long wall

So, let me explain why this case is worthless.

I'm getting slight scumtwitches from a few players. Not enough to seriously consider any of them as likely scum yet, but the needles on my scum detectors are twitching slightly.

First is Gamma Emerald, for his post #39:

Do we know how many scum we're looking for?

11 players I'm assuming there's a few possibilities here...

3 teamed mafia, 8 town
2 teamed mafia, 1 3rd party (not cult), 8 town
2 teams of 2 mafia, 7 town

I'm betting 3 Mafia, 8 town or 3 mafia, 7 town, and one 3P.

He was right later - that

does

look scummish. He's keeping the size of the mafia team constant between his guesses, instead of keeping the total number of scum constant. This may mean nothing, or it may imply that he has actual knowledge of the size of the scumteam.

It's a bit thin, but it's got my attention.

The second one who's making me nervous is The_Jester; he seems to be doing quite a lot of dodging questions and discouraging speculation in this thread.

The third one pinging my scumdar is VictorDeAngelo, for his habit of not explaining his scumreads until he wants to move to a different target.

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Since my vote is on none of the above, I think I should move it onto one of the above. Therefore:

VOTE: The Jester

So instead of vote the player that you implicitly feel the most suspicion for (hence, mentioning first), you vote your second suspect.

Scumdar ping.

The player mentioned first in a post is not automatically the most scummiest.

The person you actually voted, you didn't provide any examples of your allegations the way you did your first suspect (yet felt the need to vote the second anyway).

Scumdar ping.

Also a null tell. Players don't always provide examples, particularly in the early part of the day.

My experience so far suggests that the entirety of day one is going to be pretty much nullness. I've never been on a game on this site where a Mafia player was lynched on the first day, so I'd be surprised if anyone has anything even approaching a decent read on the first day.

Breeding apathy. Lots of scum motive for that.

Scumdar ping.

Sure, but could also just as easily come from town with no experience of a scum lynch day 1. Like CCC.

Furthermore, does a new player really think he can create apathy by simply convincing everyone day 1 doesn't matter. If so, why didn't eagersnake do the same thing? His play promoted activity from the onset. Would scumbuddies really set out to try uncoordinated strategies like this. It doesn't make sense.

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In my previous post, I suggested that VictorDeAngelo and Gamma Emerald were pinging as very slightly scum. To that list I will now add GreenNope and Square World; the first for being completely absent, and the second for providing extremely short posts with no reasons for his votes. From these four, I will elect to park my vote (for the moment) on:

VOTE: Square World

Scumreading someone that hasn't even posted? How is that even vaguely town?

Opportunistic vote, jumping on his playstyle instead of alignment indicative content.

Scumdar ping.

I'll agree that the Green Nope read is bad.

Yes, Square not explaining was more playstyle than alignment based. I know that, you know that but we have probably seen this kind of thing more often. I recall misreading tons of players based on style when first started playing. On the other side of the fence but I've lost track of the number of times new players have scumread for the exact same thing. I don't find this suspicious from CCC.

Do you ever read other games? There are garnteed to be games were scum was hung D1 for legitimate reasons.

I haven't seen any where scum was hung D1. I expect to find that, of newbie games (with two scum out of nine players), less than two in nine games have scum lynched on day one. (If the lynches were random, it would be two in nine, but by and large scum will usually try to get town lynched, and on day one I expect that to skew the ratio against Town).

I guess I am pessimistic about day one. Later days, when there's some decent info to work with, I consider far more useful.

Yes, yes... discourage town. Breed that apathy!

Scumdar ping.

See above.

In my previous post, I suggested that VictorDeAngelo and Gamma Emerald were pinging as very slightly scum. To that list I will now add GreenNope and Square World; the first for being completely absent, and the second for providing extremely short posts with no reasons for his votes. From these four, I will elect to park my vote (for the moment) on:

VOTE: Square World

How much scummier is Box World compared to Pokémon Remake Emerald, and Old Man Victor?

Also, stop self-metaing at the drop of a hat.

Insignificantly scummier. I have no significant reads at all.

Also, what do you mean by "self-metaing"?

THIS is what not taking stances looks like.

He appears to be trying to read people, but his "insignificant" reads can change with minimal explanation.

Unlike Square, who is posting reads without going into detail why, CCC is prefacing his reads with an excuse to drop them.

Scumdar ping.

I agree with this. But he did similar things in Arctic mafia. His votes on Dunnstral and Drixx had little behind them and left himself open to change. And CCC was town that game.

Well in my last game with Grendel, it was the same for him. I don't think Grendel is scum this time, but I DEFINITELY think you are.

Believe it or not, this fits my Town meta too. Every game I've ever been Town in, I got lynched day one.

(This may be why I think so little of day one lynches).

Brilliant! You make an excuse for your scummy play to discourage others from lynching you because you're not experienced scum so you're trying to play up your newness.

Sorry bro, nice lesson from boring but she ruined that for you.

Scumdar ping.

This could be used to gain sympathy. But honestly, if you were town and kept getting mislynched, wouldn't you do the same.

What do reads list have to do with conflict?

Conflict causes people to talk and interact. From these interactions, reads can be formed, and refined.

No. No. No.

Town fighting town is EXACTLY what scum wants.

If town is busy bickering with each other, scum has plenty of noise to hide in.

HUGE scumdar ping.

Completely disagree. CCC is bang on the money here. Conflict is absolutely what you want day 1.

Also, you can't have it both ways. You have accused CCC of trying to create both apathy and conflict on day 1. You can't really have both on Day 1. Players at each other's throats are engaged. Whereas players disengaged aren't going to get into conflict.

Here's my current list, for example:

1. gerryoat - Null leaning Townish - hasn't stood out, but has been quietly scumhunting
2. Gamma Emerald - Null leaning scummish - more sure of the size of the mafia team than the total number of scum
3. Grendel - Null leaning strongly Town - doing a hefty share of scumhunting
4. RhazhBash - Near complete null, leaning weakly scummish - needs to do more scumhunting
5. CCC - Town all the way
6. Square World - Null leaning scummish - needs to explain himself a little more
7.

GreenNope

Huntress - Null for now - needs to post something
8. Manuel87 - Null leaning slightly scummish - don't think he's made a non-RVS vote yet (could be just cautious)
9. The_Jester - Null leaning very slightly scummish
10. eagerSnake - Townish. He's really making a lot of good points and asking a lot of right questions
11. VictorDeAngelo - Null leaning scummish. I don't like how he's shutting down certain questions, and I don't like his inexplicable Townread on Square World.

2 reads that doesn't have null in them. The one that isn't his own is appended with an "ish", which he can use to justify flipping with minimal explanation.

Scumdar ping.

I would find this scummy too. Except it seems more playstyle related than alignment indicative. His reads in arctic had similar use "-ish" and hedging.

So. Current reads:

Drixx: Somewhat scummish. Coming out of nowhere with intent to hammer may have been an attempt to force me to reveal whether or not I held a power role.
Dunnstral: Somewhat scummish. Encouraging me to claim my role after Drixx's intent to hammer may have been an attempt at rolefishing as well.
hayatoBL: Unchanged. Very slightly scummish.
Aragorn and Apricity: Unchanged. Insufficient data; still on the starting blocks.
Skrub: Unchanged. Asks questions, tries to get to the heart of the matter. Either scumhunting or pretending to scumhunt.
House: Somewhat townish. After leading a wagon to the intent to hammer point, and forcing me to the point of claiming my role, he did

not

promptly find some excuse to abandon the wagon and then try to fish for another player's role (and, in fact, continues to plead for someone to hammer me - up to the point of making claims easily disproven by post history)
Boring: Extremely townish, for reasons as described here, just a few posts ago.

If I get hammered, then I hope this helps the Townies on day two.

In a vaccum, these would be scummy. But looking over previous town games I would say that I think what your seeing is a player without a lot of confidence or experience more than scum.

To which I retort: boring

[House]

And House himself pointed out the only reasonable szenario him being scum would make sense.

What scenario makes sense with me as scum?

The one where eager is bussing you and I bus him to save you instead?

What kind of fucked up scumteam would that even be???

Somebody so unstable as to go balls out on their own buddy on d1 will most likely go into nuclear meltdown mode if their other buddy throws then under the bus in return.

My entire point was that there IS NO scenario that makes sense with House!Scum.

Gamma got called out on his scum theater, so he voted eager to create distance. When eager fakeclaimed that bullshit, he used that excuse to hop off until Square forced him back on the wagon with his counter claim.

Gamma is caught scum and there's no way around that simple fact.

[House]

I'm just setting House to ignore for the rest of the day.

In fact time to hear more from anyone who isn't House/CCC/Gamma as that seems to be dominating the day.

Be happy. You convinced me of what CCC could not.

I'm coming for your ass after Gamma flips red. With two scum flips under my belt, how hard do you think it's going to be to stretch your neck too?

[House]

Also, did no one catch the fact

I challenged the confirmed town?

Do you really think scum!me would do that?

Dude, there was precisely nothing town about the way you challenged me (also, I'm not confirmed town, just the closest thing we have at this point to it).

[House]

Also, since I'm pretty much a lock for NK barring a PR claim, let's control the claim.

If there is a doctor in the house that has no modifiers (x-shot, odd/even/non-consecutive night, etc), please claim and target me at night. I can protect you in return.

This does not apply to jailkeeper.

[House]

Also, since I'm pretty much a lock for NK barring a PR claim, let's control the claim.

If there is a doctor in the house that has no modifiers (x-shot, odd/even/non-consecutive night, etc), please claim and target me at night. I can protect you in return.

This does not apply to jailkeeper.

I doubt there is that many protective roles in the game.

FOS: House

I don't like the sound of this.

Lol, jumping at any perceived excuse to cast shade.

[House]

Yeah let's look at this closer. I'm currently thinking:
3 town PRs
2 mafia(1 left)
If I'm right, I'm guessing the PRs are one investigative, one protective, and the dead Jack-of-all-Trades. So how would you protect him? Simple: don't kill him. That would explain why you don't want to be roleblocked: you have to do the kill.

I don't care if I'm jailed. I just don't want the jailkeeper to claim because... Ta-da!... I'LL BE ROLEBLOCKED YOU MOTION!

[House]

Yeah let's look at this closer. I'm currently thinking:
3 town PRs
2 mafia(1 left)
If I'm right, I'm guessing the PRs are one investigative, one protective, and the dead Jack-of-all-Trades. So how would you protect him? Simple: don't kill him. That would explain why you don't want to be roleblocked: you have to do the kill.

I don't care if I'm jailed. I just don't want the jailkeeper to claim because... Ta-da!... I'LL BE ROLEBLOCKED YOU MORON!

EBWOP

[House]

I could see you being Town or mafia PR. Everyone, since I'm not likely to survive the Day, please make sure to keep House in check in future Days.

Fuck, you got me.

I'm a mafia doctor that sold out my goon buddy to root out the town doctor, because a 10% chance of having my kill blocked is just too risky!

Do you ever apply the sanity filter to your posts?

[House]

That's not at all what I was thinking. I'm not that crazy. I just feel like there could be ways it works with you as both alignments.

By all means, share with the class.

[House]

>House is a town cop. He get a free investigation.
>House is a mafia roleblocker. He can hunt the cop without worrying about protective roles.
>Some more complex possibility.

Why would I care about a doctor as the roleblocker?

[House]

You could block the doctor while you hunt for the cop.

Roleblocker has less reason to care about a town doctor claim than pretty much any other scum PR because he reduces the effectiveness of a doctor just by blocking at random.

I'd be fishing for the cop if I was scum, not the impotent doc.

[House]

All this shit is besides the fact your dumbass theory is predicated on the fact that step one of my evil master plan is to throw my buddy, who had zero pressure, under the bus.

And yes, I'm going to play that card over and over again.

[House]

All this shit is besides the fact your dumbass theory is predicated on the fact that step one of my evil master plan is to throw my buddy, who had zero pressure, under the bus.

And yes, I'm going to play that card over and over again.

Are we talking Eager or CCC here? Because I said I think there's only two mafia.

I don't know... Which one sounds more like STEP ONE?

[House]

That's precisely my point, lmao.

[House]

tl;dr: I'd prefer Victor > Gamma > CCC in that order.

Flip the first two and we'll be on the same page.

[House]

Also, House, when did Victor pass CCC in your scumreads?

You can answer that for yourself if you're following the game.

[House]

Apparently you aren't.

[House]

I'm just setting House to ignore for the rest of the day.

In fact time to hear more from anyone who isn't House/CCC/Gamma as that seems to be dominating the day.

Be happy. You convinced me of what CCC could not.

I'm coming for your ass after Gamma flips red. With two scum flips under my belt, how hard do you think it's going to be to stretch your neck too?

Tell me Gamma, what do you think I'm saying in this post?

[House]

I forgot about that one. Do you expect me to remember every single detail?

If you're looking for scum, AND SUSPECTING ME, I'd think my posts should be more memorable than most others.

[House]

I'm just setting House to ignore for the rest of the day.

In fact time to hear more from anyone who isn't House/CCC/Gamma as that seems to be dominating the day.

Be happy. You convinced me of what CCC could not.

I'm coming for your ass after Gamma flips red. With two scum flips under my belt, how hard do you think it's going to be to stretch your neck too?

And when I flip green?

After all, I know you read the post.

[House]

Well since you read the question, please answer it.

Tell me why you have such a hard-on for suspecting me as scum when you don't even know what I'm saying.

[House]

Defiance of a position despite being ignorant of the details - I duh thee, The eager Tell.

Gamma, you have also done this.

[House]

Defiance of a position despite being ignorant of the details - I dub thee, The eager Tell.

Gamma, you have also done this.

Lol. EBWOP

[House]

I'm not fully convinced you are scum, otherwise I'd be voting you for sure. However, you've done some questionable stuff, at least to me, so I FOSed you.
Now stop dodging the question: what happens when I flip green?

If I refuse to answer you, will you use that as an excuse to vote me?

[House]

To be clear, I'm toying with you.

You or Victor die today, end of story. If you actually want to dodge the noose and this play towards your wincon regardless of alignment, you should spend less time squabbling with me and more time selling Victor's wagon.

I don't really care which of you swing, so let the games begin.

[House]

The first shot is fired, grazing Victor's port bow.

Stay tuned, folks!

[House]

Spoiler:

(by the way, 1290 was a reaction test. I expected you to double down on your suspicions of me if you were town and accuse me of forcing a false dichotomy... You fail the test.

But by all means, continue your assault!)

[House]

Whatever, go ahead and blow the town's chance at a perfect win. You are not a scumhunting god.

See? This kind of posting is what keeps you in my crosshairs!

You are talking to me like I'm a townread, but you constantly try to advise me of being scum.

That doesn't mesh.

[House]

"Advise you"?

Accuse. Phone posting, autocorrect sucks.

[House]

That wasn't accusing you of being scum. That was me saying you're not perfect, and we can't get a perfect win if you don't accept that.

Precisely, but you DO frequently advise me of being scum.

If you actually thought i was scum, you wouldn't be appealing to my desire for a perfect win.

See the contradiction?

This kind of conflicting behavior is why I scumread you, among other things.

[House]

Accuse*

Dammit.

[House]

Oh yeah, that makes everything all better.

You're totes town, now. Mad town. For realsies.

[House]

Damn, I was shooting for subtle.

[House]

If you wanted to fool me, you should have unvoted.

Yeah but see, where we differ is that I'm consistent in my thought processes.

That's because I don't have an agenda to form those processes around.

[House]

My agenda is finding and lynching scum

How's that going for you?

Share your results.

[House]

I can't be sure cuz I can't investigate. I'm feeling CCC or Victor though.

Where did the Victor scumread REALLY come from? Don't point at your failed reaction test. That post was reachy and bad.

Also, where did your suspicion of me go?

[House]

Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?

It's been on since day one. Lol, keep on plugging away champ.

[House]

The scumread came from a re-ISO, which is how I almost always re-evaluate my reads.

Okay cool. Let's work with this.

What, upon revaluation of Victor's ISO, did you find scummy?

[House]

Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?

It's been on since day one. Lol, keep on plugging away champ.

That was snark bro.

So was mine brah.

[House]

Why is your response to my question about your reread of Victor's ISO taking so long?

Are you reading his ISO?

[House]

I'm throwing you a bone here, Gamma. I've been toying with a town!Gamma theory, but you're not making it very easy to develop.

[House]

This is a much better Gamma I'm seeing.

He even admitted it later.

Where did he admit it?

[House]

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

Found it.

[House]

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

This post.

Alright, you can live for the time being.

I've been feeling icky about Victor for some time now.

VOTE: Victor

[House]

Defeatist vote on his buddy. He even admitted it later.

Also also, this could explain eager's overcompensatory "we still gonna win!" posting.

Red flip today will get you some serious town cred with me. No takesy backsies.

[House]

Where the holy hell IS everyone, anyway??

[House]

Victor is at L-2, so no derphammering please and thank you.

[House]

Either in catch up phase or asleep, I'd guess. Might be time for me to hit the hay too.

Sleep well, scum!

Spoiler:

kidding!

[House]

I'm sure I did, but it's too late, and I'm not bothering to self ISO myself nor your case. IIRC your case was mostly just signs that CCC doesn't play in a way that you expect town to. Looking over his last games he seems to be a newish player, with a somewhat unconventional playstyle. I didn't find anything incriminating and your strongest point was actually CCC correcting a mistake I made.

Terrible.

I'm coming for you if we have a single town flip between these two.

If you're that confident in your read on me, stop messing around with lynchbait and come at me now.

[House]

You can't just say it's a vote on a buddy because I voted Snake and he flipped red.

That's not at all what he said.

It ain't what you did. It's how you undid it.

[House]

I'm surprised Victor would open the door to bring this back again, but here it is:

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

This post.

[House]

I need to be less defeatist.

Also, I thought you were ignoring me?

[House]

I need to be less defeatist.

I said that. I don't see how that makes me scum with eager.

Also, I thought you were ignoring me?

I wasn't really ignoring. Merely hoping you stop posting as much. It didn't seem to work.

So much for my assumption that you knew how I played!

[House]

I said that. I don't see how that makes me scum with eager.

That's okay, town can figure it out easily enough.

Guilt clouds the mind, ya know.

[House]

You said you were going to come for me. Make your case!

Don't need to. Gamma already rested his.

[House]

K

[House]

Spoiler:

(by the way, 1290 was a reaction test. I expected you to double down on your suspicions of me if you were town and accuse me of forcing a false dichotomy... You fail the test.

But by all means, continue your assault!)

I thought the same thing. That if he was town he'd actually scumread you more for that. But, he kinda looked like he was trying to worm himself out of a lynch and then vote the opposite person rather than himself.

Keep reading, it gets better.

[House]

gamma, one thing. If you scumread house, why are you trying to plead to him as if you know he's town?? Also being so willing to give into what he wants, just gives off the wrong vibes.

Hold your course and watch the magic happen.

[House]

gamma, one thing. If you scumread house, why are you trying to plead to him as if you know he's town?? Also being so willing to give into what he wants, just gives off the wrong vibes.

Gerry, look at yesterday.

I've proven that I can strongarm lynches people don't want.

I think that explains a lot.

[House]

Before you get too cocky, weren't most people scumreading snake yesterday?

Nope.

I strongarmed his lynch with less than 24 hours on the clock, skipper.

[House]

And I don't believe in "too dumb for scum", so you might as well drop that ploy and try outsmarting me.

[House]

Spoiler:

(by the way, 1290 was a reaction test. I expected you to double down on your suspicions of me if you were town and accuse me of forcing a false dichotomy... You fail the test.
But by all means, continue your assault!)

I thought the same thing. That if he was town he'd actually scumread you more for that. But, he kinda looked like he was trying to worm himself out of a lynch and then vote the opposite person rather than himself.

So that makes three of us.
Gamma do you think House is scum or town now? i cant follow anymore.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
for now i still think we lynch Gamma.

But even though i think you are scum you have one valid point in your case against Victor with the unvote on Eager.
@Victor: Why did you scumread House and Eager yesterday? Did you think there was a possibility that both of them are scum?

Gamma is town. Do try to keep up.

If you doubt me now, you will be a believer when Vic flips.

Follow the crowd, we're going to a magic show.

[House]

Looking at 1086 Victor lays a town read at CCC’s feet right after CCC names him off as probscum.

That's textbook scum play dude.

[House]

I can't be sure cuz I can't investigate. I'm feeling CCC or Victor though.

Where did the Victor scumread REALLY come from? Don't point at your failed reaction test. That post was reachy and bad.

Also, where did your suspicion of me go?

The scumread came from a re-ISO, which is how I almost always re-evaluate my reads. I still find some of your posts suspicious, but I'm giving you a pass. Half botd, half trusting your play.

What's "botd"?

I googled it when he posted that, lol.

Benefit of the doubt would be my guess.

[House]

Everyone, remember when you were so convinced Manuel was scum and I was saying he was town and to lynch this other guy instead?

Remember what happened?

Let's do that again.

Gamma is town. Lynch Victor instead.

[House]

Everyone, remember when you were so convinced Manuel was scum and I was saying he was town and to lynch this other guy instead?

Remember what happened?

Let's do that again.

Gamma is town. Lynch Victor instead.

Earlier you said that you know Gamma is scum. What happened to your scumread on him?

Humans are a learning species.

Once Victor flips scum, you too will see the light.

[House]

At the very least you could explain why Gamma is town now instead of just announcing it like we can read your mind.

If you are scumreading Victor, you have zero reason not to vote him.

Victor has a viable wagon. I will not let Gamma be lynched today.

[House]

But Him town reading CCC while CCC throws shade?

Can you walk me through this?

I'm a distancer when I'm scum. I throw shade on my buddies and make depressed on them.

They townread me for it.

It's a beautiful chemistry.

[House]

But Him town reading CCC while CCC throws shade?

Can you walk me through this?

I'm a distancer when I'm scum. I throw shade on my buddies and make derpcases on them.

They townread me for it.

It's a beautiful chemistry.

EBWOP

[House]

It looks more like you're just bored of playing with Gamma, and want to mess with Victor now. I'd rather lynch the scummiest dude first.

Did I get bored of playing with eager? No.

Gamma is town. Period.

He is not being lynched. Period.

[House]

Gamma is town. Period.

Why?

I'm not moving my vote just on your bare say-so. I need to have a good enough reason to shift my vote.

I'll just beat you over the head with your stupidity when he flips green.

I've already proven that you can't read people for shit. Remember that eager town read you refused to give up?

If you want to win, sheep the one getting results.

[House]

I am scum reading Victor, but I'm not happy to cave into the possessive controlling nature you play this game with.

You're incredibly unfun to play with because you expect everybody to drop what there doing and follow you.

And yes this is much more a personal bias then logical but I don't really care atm.

Explain why Gamma is town FIRST. Work with me FIRST before you go ordering me around like I can't have an opinion.

First off, I'm not claiming to have all the answers. When tomorrow gets here, I'm not certain which direction I'll be going, myself.

Second, you can't condemn me for pushing my reads the way I am when I'm as certain as I am, because you yourself expressed a desire to be able to lead scum lynches. Jealousy is anti-town when it's yielding results.

Third, I got my Gamma townread by interacting with him. If you can't see what i saw, I'm not going to make him an even larger target for the NK just to appease you.

[House]

What a say nothing post.

Anyone can work equations once they are given the values.

[House]

So, consider for example: yesterday House pushed a lynch on Eager. If we assume three scum out of eleven, then that's a 3/11 chance at start of day of being scum.

Let's assume that House's scumreads are completely random as Town. Then he'd have a 3/11 chance of aiming his wagon at scum.

Now, what are the chances that he would bus Eager, under those conditions, as scum? My intuition say remote. Let's assume that he's a really reckless scum player, and peg that at 10%.

So, what are the odds, then, of House being scum, giving his pushing the wagon on eager?

It works out to (0.1)*(3/11)/[(0.1)*(3/11)+(3/11)*(8/11)], or about 12%.

Now, of course, he actually had a reason to scumread eager - so his wagon was better than random, and he's probably nowhere near that reckless a scum player, meaning his actual odds of being scum are even lower than 12%.

Thanks for putting some meat on the bones.

Regardless of your overarching point, you've provided content to analyze.

[House]

VOTE: Victor

I'm glad I took a minute to step away from the game.

This is

L-1

right?

For what it's worth, there's a solid chance I'll be sheeping you if there is a tomorrow for me, because all I have left are a couple grays in the way of suspicion and you're a solid townread.

Also yes, that vote should be L-1.

[House]

Grendel
Manuel87
Gamma Emerald
gerryoat

CCC
Huntress
The_Jester

VictorDeAngelo

[House]

Last call for a doc to speak up for mutual benefit.

[House]

@House you played with Hunteress, Jester before right?

Do you have any clue how many games I've played?

G'head, look it up.

That said, I don't recognize either of them. If I did, there's a good chance I wouldn't have them at null.

[House]

Last call for a doc to speak up for mutual benefit.

No one answer this.

There is absolute no town reason for House to want this information.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: House

^ This is scum trying to keep me vulnerable for the kill tonight.

[House]

I'm a bodyguard motherfucker.

Now what?

Die, scum.

[House]

I'm a bodyguard motherfucker.

Now what?

Die, scum.

[House]

PEdit: Well that explains a lot.

inorite?

[House]

I'm a bodyguard motherfucker.

Now what?

Die, scum.

Really, then claim your night 1 action.

^ More scum squirming. If my night one action were relevant,

I'd be dead.

Here's the thing you can't avoid... I have zero reason to gambit a fake claim, because eager's flip bought me all the town cred I needed.

[House]

Why would a bodyguard believe there's a doc in a mini?

If it's a big word for only having two letters.

Also, bodyguard is a shit role for being a protective anyway.

[House]

So why not claim it?

Simple, there's nothing to claim.


I'm not going to die in place of everyone I had to force onto a scum wagon. Duh. That'd be anti-town.

[House]

Spoiler alert House, it involves you. :p

What, did you roleblocker me?

[House]

You have a claimed PR, and the bodyguard doesn't protect. Not buying it.

I really don't care what scum buys or doesn't buy.

[House]

Nope, it's worse. I'm the town watcher. I watched you.

No one targetted House, but no way we have a Watcher/Bodyguard combo here.

Lynch House today. Or lynch me, see me flip blue and lynch House tomorrow.

UNVOTE:

[House]

What's sad is that I buy his claim.

I don't see scum claiming something as absolutely worthless as watcher. I'd have expected Victor to claim Tracker and use my inaction to try to sell a wagon on me.

His case is derp, but not maliciously so.

[House]

Too little, too late.

Nobody is lynching me, idiot.

[House]

Whatever, I'm going to bed.

What the fuck kind of flaccid bullshit is that?

Relieved to have some pressure off of you so you can sleep tight?

I think you're full of shit and reached for a role that was unlikely to be countered in a game with JoAT and Bodyguard.

VOTE: Victor

[House]

Hm. I'm not really buying Victor's claim. I'll unvote for now, but if any other investigative role comes up, Victor goes back under the microscope.
VOTE: CCC

He's full of shit and trying to get another role outed.

[House]

Victor red flip = Gamma town
Victor green flip = Gamma scum

Let's do it.

[House]

Or lynch me, see me flip blue

Town flips green. Those with a town role PM would know that.

Where the fuck do you get blue?

[House]

Spoiler...

Been rereading ISOs, and I know who else is scum.

Tomorrow should be short.

[House]

Also:
What was the misnomer you promised yesterday?

misnomer?

Who? Where? What?

[House]

I'm a bodyguard motherfucker.

Now what?

Die, scum.

??????????????????????

Why weren't you on JOAT?

Because I'm not dying when I'm catching scum and they're not.

[House]

Nope, it's worse. I'm the town watcher. I watched you.

No one targetted House, but no way we have a Watcher/Bodyguard combo here.

Lynch House today. Or lynch me, see me flip blue and lynch House tomorrow.

Um. if you're watcher how are you blue? lol (On epicmafia we call Blue a vanilla tonwie. So if blue is just synonym for town on here, sorry)

It's not. Green is synonymous with town here.

Even the PR's are green in the role PM's, so he has no town reason for thinking he'll flip blue.

[House]

Also Victor's watcher claim has to be bullshit, I refuse to believe that watcher wouldn't be on claimed PR.

Yep, excellent point.

[House]

Yeah, blue is the second mafia color, so that was BS anyway. Green is the ONLY town color here.

Some mods use blue for town PR's.

Eggman didn't.

Victor fucked up on his assumption.

[House]

I have the day two lynch identified as well when CCC flips red.

Hint: If I have my way, his name will be a misnomer

This is what I mean.

Victor, of course.

I don't intend to let him be the victor.

[House]

Was there some connection between Victor and CCC?

Nope.

[House]

Gamma is the last scum.

He was only on both scum wagons because he had to be. They do not clear him.

Grendel, I leave it to you to lynch him tomorrow. If he had any brains at all, he'll NK me tonight.

[House]

Oh, I get it now.

You town read Gamma to get his vote. Right?

I forced him to make a case, then I supported his case when the case he made was a little too good to be plain distancing.

[House]

To be clear, I'm toying with you.

You or Victor die today, end of story. If you actually want to dodge the noose and this play towards your wincon regardless of alignment, you should spend less time squabbling with me and more time selling Victor's wagon.

I don't really care which of you swing, so let the games begin.

This was me setting up a scum v scum gladiate.

I couldn't have been more clear about my intentions.

[House]

You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

Whose consent? I don't think Victor would have given his.

Mine is implied by virtue of the overwhelming evidence against him.

Jester's hammer was righteous.

[House]

You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.

Victor claimed he'd flip BLUE.

He's scum, lol.

[House]

You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.

You missed an if.

Bullshit. You set yourself up to vote him regardless of the flip.

[House]

You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.

You missed an if.

Bullshit. You set yourself up to vote him regardless of the flip.

That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about IF Victor SOMEHOW flips town, THEN I will vote Jester for mishammering.

You also positioned yourself to vote Jester IF Victor isn't the last scum.

You missed an if, brah.

[House]

Did you meta me?

Ohhh, now this sounds like a scum claim.

Who reacts to being scum read by wondering if they were just meta'd lol?!

I had a town game where I challenged the town PR Day 2. MY challenge of House IS my town play.

It's a really good thing that you are aware of that and able to inform us ignorant plebeians.

Now we know, and knowing is half the battle!

[House]

You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.

You missed an if.

Bullshit. You set yourself up to vote him regardless of the flip.

That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about IF Victor SOMEHOW flips town, THEN I will vote Jester for mishammering.

You also positioned yourself to vote Jester IF Victor isn't the last scum.

You missed an if, brah.

Actually, I thought it over more, and I can see circumstances where you are the next lynch for me. It's mostly theoretical at this point.

Please, by all means.

I'd rather die by hanging.

[House]

Never mind checked the flips and you are clear. It was about PRs being blue.

No!

No, I'm not clear!

I'm fully intending to vote you tomorrow, regardless of ANYTHING you EVER say.

Doesn't that make me scummy???

[House]

My scumread on you depended on him flipping blue, but Square flipped green, so that's impossible.

But I'm unapologetically stating my intent to vote confirmed town, to you, with no desire to alter course regardless of your role.

How does that not make me scummy?

[House]

Also Victor's watcher claim has to be bullshit, I refuse to believe that watcher wouldn't be on claimed PR.

I actually thought the same.
Still would have lynched Gamma over Victor.
The hammer was really bad. With the Watcher claim we should have focused on finding the other scum.
We had enough time to find another lynch.
If he doesnt die in the night we lynch him. Dont think scum would risk it and let watcher survive the night.

No. Town derps when given too much time. Victor would have weaseled his way out of a lynch toMorrow.

Find scum, lynch scum.

[House]

@House: That's a death tunnel. Death tunnels are not inherently scummy.

Bullshit! You've spent most of this game scumreading me for pressuring you, now you're backing off on this garbage?

I fucking loled.

[House]

Why is everyone so convinced there's 3 mafia?

Because the game continuing tomorrow confirms it, and it's all moot if the game ends on Victor's flip

[House]

I'm going to be lynching you with glee tomorrow.

That's all I have to say.

[House]

Grendel, you're going to have to be more active if you want to be a town leader.

Town is fickle and easily loses their direction. Leadership requires constant maintenance.

[House]

Well you're dumb. Apparently I can't change a read without receiving maximum ire.

I've pushed two, count em, two, wagons to lynch on scum (flip on Victor is a formality, he's caught scum).

Yeah bro. I'm dumb.

Wish i was always this dumb.