Mini 1830 - Game Over

[House]

Accuse*

Dammit.

[Gamma Emerald]

I see what you are saying, and I guess I left out an important part of my statement.

Whatever, go ahead and blow the town's chance at a perfect

town

win. You are not a scumhunting god.

EBWOP

[House]

Oh yeah, that makes everything all better.

You're totes town, now. Mad town. For realsies.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I can sense the sarcasm there.

[House]

Damn, I was shooting for subtle.

[Gamma Emerald]

If you wanted to fool me, you should have unvoted.

[House]

If you wanted to fool me, you should have unvoted.

Yeah but see, where we differ is that I'm consistent in my thought processes.

That's because I don't have an agenda to form those processes around.

[Gamma Emerald]

My agenda is finding and lynching scum

[House]

My agenda is finding and lynching scum

How's that going for you?

Share your results.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't be sure cuz I can't investigate. I'm feeling CCC or Victor though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?

[House]

I can't be sure cuz I can't investigate. I'm feeling CCC or Victor though.

Where did the Victor scumread REALLY come from? Don't point at your failed reaction test. That post was reachy and bad.

Also, where did your suspicion of me go?

[House]

Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?

It's been on since day one. Lol, keep on plugging away champ.

[Gamma Emerald]

I can't be sure cuz I can't investigate. I'm feeling CCC or Victor though.

Where did the Victor scumread REALLY come from? Don't point at your failed reaction test. That post was reachy and bad.

Also, where did your suspicion of me go?

The scumread came from a re-ISO, which is how I almost always re-evaluate my reads. I still find some of your posts suspicious, but I'm giving you a pass. Half botd, half trusting your play.

[House]

The scumread came from a re-ISO, which is how I almost always re-evaluate my reads.

Okay cool. Let's work with this.

What, upon revaluation of Victor's ISO, did you find scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?

It's been on since day one. Lol, keep on plugging away champ.

That was snark bro.

[House]

Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?

It's been on since day one. Lol, keep on plugging away champ.

That was snark bro.

So was mine brah.

[House]

Why is your response to my question about your reread of Victor's ISO taking so long?

Are you reading his ISO?

[House]

I'm throwing you a bone here, Gamma. I've been toying with a town!Gamma theory, but you're not making it very easy to develop.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

I just noticed I missed a crucial 'not' from the last line of post 90.

I'm calling BS on anyone who gets a serious scumread 4 pages into a game, when most of it is just feeling out and partially random votes that have no meaning behind them. So, anyone who says they actually hard fos someone, is just someone trying actively to look like they are scumhunting, when in reality they aren't.

Nonsense, people can form scumreads from page 1. Why dismiss everything so far just because it's the early game? Better yet, at what point in the game are you allowed to start forming scumreads?

@CCC

- Can you give some other examples of Jester dodging questions?

I think Grendel is town but I don't agree with his Gamma scumread.

Gives a townread on me and Grendrl but doesn't explain. This could be an issue of default scum x-ray reads, where their reads come from their knowledge of who is who, and not any actual towntells.

Also also... you haven't even interacted with CCC... Meeeehhhhhhh

Not a good look.

Why are you so concerned about Huntress interactions at this point?

You don't

have

to interact with someone to assess them.

You don't even know how Huntress came to that opinion, so why are you so quick to defend her?

Does she need your help?

You asked her about this before anyone else had the chance. And now you try to forge an associative link because Gamma essentially didn't repeat your question.

Also I /barn Gamma's original point here. You don't have to interact with something to assess them, particularly in this case.

don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join

Guy voting eagersnake doesn't want to lynch eagersnake. Worse, he also doesn't want to push a wagon but will join any going on about half the game. Any towniness I saw on Square just dissipated.

Sorry, meant to have two parts to that post.

I dont like how Square world playes but its not a reason to lynch him.
What i dont like about him right now is that he mentioned how eagers analysis on RhazhBash sucks.
While i think he has a valid point that its not really an analysis but rather a summary of what said player posted that game, i dont understand why he only refers to the RhazhBash analysis and not to the ones on Victor and Gerry.

I'm putting Manuel back into my "would lynch today" pile for this post.

Why is that?

I didn't like how he said he didn't like square's but wouldn't lynch for it, but then his reasons sounded more like valid reasons to lynch. To put it another way, I didn't see him thinking the second two lines but then coming to the conclusion in the first line.

I dont like his

playstyle

but i dont think thats a reason to lynch someone.
In my first game on this side i played with Not_Mafia who played similar to him. I said the same thing about NM and read him Null-Town the whole game because i could see some meaning in the stuff he did.
If in that game we would have done what Eager was pushing for this game we would have killed NM and probably lost the game.
The other 2 lines were simply what i thought was off about squares read on Eager. He didnt care about the 2 summaries of Victor and Gerry but reacted to the 3rd one on Rhazh.
While i think his argument is true it also applies to the other 2 "reads" from Eager.

Ok, I might have got this one wrong. You are now not in my "would lynch today" pile.

Day 1 lynch identified.

VOTE: CCC

House has shifted from one easy lynch to another. The case feels mostly like noobtells more than scumtells but I'll not comment further until I get a chance to read Newbie 1727 in more detail.

Second segment: whiteknights my statement.

I seem to be 13 pages behind, so this will be more of a catch up post than I suspected...

@House

You didn't answer this:

Also also... you haven't even interacted with CCC... Meeeehhhhhhh

Not a good look.

Why are you so concerned about Huntress interactions at this point?

In fact I don't think you responded to anything in 565, which is odd.

Okay so

@House

Yes, I like your case on CCC. But, I have to admit CCC has had great responses to your points, do you not think he might be town at all? Or at least rethinking your fos a bit?

I'm still happy with my vote, hence where it remains.

He's acting the same way he did in Arctic Mafia, buy the thing is, he SHOULD have improved since Arctic Mafia on some level if he had actually taken the advice he received.

Absolute crap. This is just a poor excuse for ignoring meta.

So to finish up I'd like to hear your hypothetical scum team.

Manuel is throwing suspicion on Square, but not voting or FOS'ing. That makes me suspect a Manuel/Square scum team is a possibility.

VOTE: Square World

If your square read relies on Manuel being his buddy, why vote Square here, ahead of Manuel?

VOTE: Manuel87

I'm lynching in Manuel and Square today. One or both are scum.

This vote is also OMGUS and the confidence here one Square seems completely unfounded.

I like CCC's 638. Snakes response in 642 doesn't fly with me at all.

I have been leaning slightly scum on Gamma also, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today. He is, at the very least, responsive. I can't say that about everyone here.

Hmmm... If eager flips scum I would look closer at Gamma.

Why do you guys always post so much when I'm gone, and when I'm here, nothing gets posted. Alright I'm gonna do a reads list from towniest to scummiest

Town
Grendel
eagersnake
House
GammaEmerald
Manuel
The_Jester
CCC
VictorDeAngelo
Huntress
SquareWorld

VOTE: SquareWorld

I would prefer to lynch in my bottom 3, that's my prefrence. Nothing Square has said has really stood out to me. He tried to make a werid case on me that didn't make sense, and it seemed he backed off a bit when no one would follow.

Grendel, despite fosing me, I think is town for the reasons I stated earlier, he seems like he's actually scumhunting, and trying to find mafia. He also casted doubt on me when I first gave my TR on him, which imo is a TR. I wish he'd just see that I was town too. Eager has had good posts since the beginning and has been consistent the whole time, which I really like. House has really shot up my townread since subbing in. I don't think CCC is the best vote today, but I do like his case on him. But, I also like CCC's responses, so I would prefer not to vote him.

I don't like this A lot of talk about why people are townreads and yet next to nothing on his scumreads. He's happy to lynch either me or Huntress but doesn't want to say why. Feels like someone trying not get people on side and not rock the boat.

gerryoat, are you an alt?

(filler, trying to cast more doubt on me the 2nd time after it didn't work the first time.)

Asking if your an alt is doubtcasting now.

don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join

(I'm thinking there is at least 1 maf in there. It might be Victor or CCC, but I'm not really sure.)

Betting that there's 1 scum in a group of 5 players in an 11 person game is hardly a long shot. You have gone in my estimations.

Great now I want to change my vote. Whatever.
VOTE: Square World

I have no idea what Gamma's doing here or why.

I'd like to add more to points 3 and 6.
@3: There's this role on EpicMafia called Oracle that reveals a persons role if the Oracle is killed. I've seen an Oracle get lynched intentionally Day 1, although since it was Daystart forum mafia, the role had to be modified to work Day 1.
@6: So the "changing claims" thing can only really happen in a closed setup. Okay.

This is not EM.

Advice for EM is not relevant here.

It was a proof of concept post.
Scumnotch +1 for House for that rather tasteless and pointless nitpick.

You can't give scumpoints to players for discussing theory, when your actively seeking advice. I would say that if House becomes conf!town I would listen to House as he knows what he's doing. Alas, I'm still confident he's drawn red in this game.

In fact, forget everything else. Square World catch up is bull. If he/she is that disinterested then why not replace out. And why only periods of activity when the pressure is on. Square is now my preferred lynch.

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wow victor that question sucks (249)

1) It doesn't.
2) You didn't think that at the time.

Manuel is at L-1 in case you haven't noticed.

When he flips town, you and Gamma need to be lynched for being the scum on the wagon.

Then Victor needs to be lynched for being scum off the wagon.

Victor has more experience with my town game than CCV and he's voting me although EVEN CCC recognizes my town play? That's hysterically obvious.

VOTE:
More nonsense. You're more than capable of doing townie things as scum. In fact I'd go further and say that your town/scum meta is not easily distinguishable IIRC.

Though the funny thing is, I agree with you that Manuel is a bad lynch.

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I find the number of townreads I have left in this game is diminishing. However, for the sake of coming to a conclusion I'm going to split you all into will vote won't vote piles:

Won't vote: Grendel, CCC, Manuel, The_Jester, Gamma, Gerry, Huntress
Would vote: House, EagerSnake, Square World

Square is preferred lynch but that's not happening. Neither is House. So eager it is:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EagerSnake

Defeatist vote on his buddy. He even admitted it later.

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoops last point slipped out of the tag. Still readable.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is your response to my question about your reread of Victor's ISO taking so long?

Are you reading his ISO?

I'm phone posting, so multi-quoting from ISOs takes longer.

[House]

This is a much better Gamma I'm seeing.

He even admitted it later.

Where did he admit it?

[Gamma Emerald]

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

This post.

[House]

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

Found it.