Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)
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Holy shit guys why does it have to be 7 pages when i wake up
Ok quick read brought me to:
Zach seems to be trolling and that could be a pretty good way of hiding scum
Dunn's scumhunting feels genuine to me (for now)
Trivium has my rvs but meh he seems null so far
Raskol nulltown because he reacted pretty calmly to pressure and with his experience he would most likely have flailed if he was scum
Dont have enough info about the others to decide yet, so null
So uhh
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No dunn, i just hate saying something that is proven wrong afterwards so i added the (for now). You are right though, it was obsolete
Also your last post seems pretty okay, you are convinving me of town
And like trancend said, trivium seems a wasted vote, but so is jar jar - but, we still have 12 days to find stuff, no? Where i played mafia before, it was 'only' 7 days and yah, thats fast d1 and d2.
Btw, have you guys been thinking about the setup? 10-3 seems pretty town sided unless scum gets some kind of advantage, so im wondering what it is +theme: friday 13 must involve some bad luck, but in what way-
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Yeah i played on others sites too, but not on epicmafia, on the osu forums lol
Also guys as much as you suspect people, trancend is right on this: even after this many posts nobody did stuff that screams ''I am scum!'' And there are still quite some ppl that didnt post yet, or posted just few things. Its all right to point and put pressure (and you should, if you dont, you are kinda scummy) but its not the right moment to try and start wagons or smth yet
And with this in mind ill keep my vote on the memer, id love to hear what he has to say-
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You are right, but i cant imagine this town without PR, so that means, like someone said, that mafia should have a PR too
Im thinking about a godfather-cop-doctor-RB thing but oh well its too early to discuss that unless someone wants to discuss this with me xd
I kinda have to study rn and i cant contribute to the dunn-trancend discussion because i have too many nulls in my list, so ill come back when smth interesting happens (like those lurkers finally talking)-
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If i may ask, why are you townreading me? (I dont take townreads for granted cuz if theyre unsupported, both the guy who posted them and me are fucked then)In post 205, Transcend wrote:BTW if we're announcing preliminary townreads, I'll announce my first townread on inspector.
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Tbh i already clarified my vote: at this point i just want info, and either i vote for lurkers that probably wont even notice, or i vote for the people that seem suspicious for some reason, in this case his meming. I cant build a case around that, but i can build a case about his reply on my votrIn post 215, Transcend wrote:
Your tone is towny. Plus I don't think you're forcing tells, all the tells you've given appear genuine. If you really want me to go into specifics, I can. But overall I don't see anything scummy about you (after your vote on Zach ofc).In post 211, inspectorscout wrote:Fair enough
It does for now, you cant have enough info yet to put down clear reasons, but i will ask you this question again later on, i hate being read as something by just 'i like ur posts'-
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Well yeah i shouldve waited with with setup analysis but in my last game, rather unexpected roles came up, and i dont want to hear we lynched some important role d1 because we werent expecting that role. If there is a cop and he townclaims someone who is actually godfather we will have problems 'because we didnt expect it.' It might look like the scummy 'i wanna know what PR's i have to kill off', i agree, but that doesnt mean we dont have to discuss this, just because it looks scummy.
And yes, tommy's vote seems suspicious, but voting the lead wagon without telling why b4 v/la can also be a try to create discussion on both him and the suspect, since we are running low on stuff to discuss right now. That is, if he actually read everything or at least the last few pages, though.-
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I agree with triv being slightly scummy but please; dont fall over the few posts he has done, let him answer before mass-wagoning. if he really is that bad at playing scum, you will notice that in his defensive reply
Also thanks for finally giving reads; we need those to win, at this stage seemingly random voting/unvoting doesnt help at all
I already gave some of my reads before and ill post my new reads when i got an idea about most people, because posting like 8 ppl at null wont help
Wat drmy why is saying 'i hate those posts' scummy? The 'if x then y' is rather a scum thing to do because its just giving 'info' that everyone already knows = fillers, so why vote for him based on just that? He is right about those posts being annoying-
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Zach, yes, you have a reason to hate my reads, mainly because they arent worth anything yet. Yes, i do post a lot, but that is because i want to mobilise the other townies, only little real discussion has happened so far. Does that mean im scum? I dont see the reasoning behind that tbh.
You seem to be the only one loving triv's posts, but not going to get into that because im neutral to them. drmy is nullscum to me, btw. He still didnt reply to my question about that vote on you
Thank you for your reads, im glad you kept ur meming to the bare minimum this time-
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Im pretty sure the first line was a question.In post 243, inspectorscout wrote: Wat drmy why is saying 'i hate those posts' scummy? The 'if x then y' is rather a scum thing to do because its just giving 'info' that everyone already knows = fillers, so why vote for him based on just that? He is right about those posts being annoying
Yes, that was english. If something is unclear, ask me.drmyshottyizsik wrote:
I wasn't even sure you were speaking English in that post, what is your questionIn post 249, inspectorscout wrote:Zach, yes, you have a reason to hate my reads, mainly because they arent worth anything yet. Yes, i do post a lot, but that is because i want to mobilise the other townies, only little real discussion has happened so far. Does that mean im scum? I dont see the reasoning behind that tbh.
You seem to be the only one loving triv's posts, but not going to get into that because im neutral to them. drmy is nullscum to me, btw. He still didnt reply to my question about that vote on you
Thank you for your reads, im glad you kept ur meming to the bare minimum this time-
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Why is this a scum claim? 'If ur x then y' posts ARE annoying and they ARE scummy since they express a fact, rather than an opinion - oh, that is convenient, scum hates giving opinions because they have a harder time finding valid reasons to accuse someone of being scum. Posts like that are fillers, empty posts that have words in them but dont bring progress. Then my question is: why is saying that so scummy?In post 242, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
why did you feel the need to even point that out? I think this may be a scum claim.In post 130, Zachstralkita wrote:that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts
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A while ago i also said 'i know this looks scummy but' and nobody ever mentioned that.
Zach, why so arrogant? If you are town you should care about our opinions, youre not some infallible scumhunting god. This game is all about working together, not about saying 'who said i care about what you think'.-
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My opinions will come tomorrow or smth, during weekends im at home and i dont have the time and the need to post complete reads then. You'll get one soon, though.
Tbh trivium did pretty well, i dunno why his first few posts were ehhh but hes back to null-nulltown to me. Your concerns about yoshi seem about right, and the change of his tone is rather worrying, but not enough for me to vote yet. Not giving a fuck is a bad attitude anyhow, because we need insight in what everyone thinks
@yoshi: can you make a top 3 most suspicous people in your eyes, and explain why?
And the trancend suspicion seems created rather than something you should worry about, just saying.-
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Ok niceee ive got some time
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Dunn: hes actively contributing, his points seem pretty valid (and is one of the only that doesnt try to make bad jokes) however i do not agree hes 'town leader' because he is just finishing off discussions instead of starting them, nobody is leading this rn
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Transcend: like, you're readin the same way and you try to contribute. And that 'heavy non game related shit posts' just seems a way to avoid good reasoning and vote him. Still not convinced cuz u seem to buddying dunn and me, and thats slightly scummy
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Raskol: everyone thought he was scummy, ranted about some emotional stuff and suddenly considered town. Have a bad feeling about that, but his later contributions seem town, so ill keep him at null
Kushmountain: what do u expect he posted once
Tommy: lel
Yah everyone i didnt mention is here too because they didnt post enough yet or just cuz i have absolutely no idea about them yet
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Drmy:his 'this is scum claim' was pretty ehhh suspicious and i dunno but to me it seemed like he wanted to bait me into a discussion about that. Not as much scum as the others but still (oh and adding exclamation marks 'town wouldnt even think to post that!' just make ur posts seem fake, just sayin)
Zach: tells seem rather forced and farfetched and i still hate his attitude, either he loves memes or hes just trying to spread a shitload of mist + lol my opinions are almost the same as dunn's yet u dont value his opinions WHILE you said u townread him
Yoshi: i still dont get transcend wagon, his reaction to triv was pretty weird , reads are kinda farfetched too. Still unsure about this one tho-
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Wait u wat, so if u townread someone u still dont take their opinion into consideration because you dont like their judgements?
And you said you are open to my ideas, but not his. Shouldnt the two of reading the same mean we are both not good at judging stuff and thus both not worth your time?
Also why the fuck wont u listen to a guy that you townread yet you listen to me, wile you scumread me? For me that seems to have some correlation and its pretty weird.-
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I dont know if you read what i said or just read half of it and thought 'is that even english', but im not basing my scum tell on an exclamation mark. I just said that it makes posts feel forced and extremely thought out, which is something small that triggers me, especially if i think someone is leaning to scum-
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Yah im trying to get discussion going cuz this game is half dead
I agree that an exclamation mark is a bad way to scumread, but they are an indicator that a post is crafted rather than being natural. But no, for that alone you arent scum AT ALL. Town crafts posts too sometimes. But, you suspected zach for like the most silly reason, and when i defended him you just said you didnt understand my question. Okay, thats still not a real thing, but i added you in nullscum anyway to get some reaction out of you. Right now you are just focussing on that exclamation mark part of my read instead of arguing about the bait part, which seems a lot more out of place to me.
Oh and zach, i care about that a lot more than i should because i absolutely dont get whatever you are doing. Care to explain why u dont believe him? And from what i have seen, his judgement isnt really poor, so thats no excuse.
Hell why am i even defending myself on my statements about an exclamation mark and someone refusing to accept an opinion, against the 2 ppl that i scumread?. Oh and drmy, if you think my reads are bad, can you please share us yours?-
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lol jar jar maybe i have the same opinion as 2-3 others since i have been constantly sharing them? i dont know if you noticed, but mosts posts and discussions in this thread have me involved in them. and yeah, i am unsure about what i do because i am so involved in this; i dont want to get fucked after a mislynch caused by me. Ive drawn too much attention already, if i dont get NK'ed N1 ill be lynched D2 anyway, just because of my activity. Setup spec is something i personally value a lot, since i hate unexpected 'surprises'.-
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dunn: I did some meta research and i know stuff about the few games i already played; the most active player is either nightkilled very early into the game or lynched early, mostly because they say so much that scum can find an easy way to get the lynch done.
Jarjar: i looked back at my iso's and most of them seem pretty much filled with reads and stuff. oh and why is asking for game setup fluff?
also i started with reads and since i was on my tablet i was too lazy to type all names so i just stopped after that second null after raskol because the others are null for the same reasons.
and i dont quote because i was on my tablet, im too lazy to work with them since it consumes a lot of time. (somehow i cant login to the site on my pc at home, i can at boarding school though)
Trivium: you asked for my opinion and i gave an entire list of reads? does that mean i ignored you?
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Yeah i don't care about what you think about that, just like you did before. I have my info about the games i played and am playing, and the games i read before joining. If im completely off, tell me, but until then this is still how i think about it.
Meanwhile: im getting into the radar and there is nothing wrong with that. But; nobody seems to be noticing anything else so far. Like the very convenient jump by Trivium. Did you read his posts, jarjar? because honestly they are all 'fluff', as you say it. He hopped on dunnstral wagon, changed to blueyoshi because general opinion changed, and now he says ''yes hes scum because he ignored my question about his opinion''...while my opinions are at the top of the page.
Meanwhile: jarjar conveniently jumped too because ''his iso is fluffy there arent opinions'' while i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301. Also, now that i can quote:
The 3 scumclaims are weak because we are like 3 days into D1. There is no dead body yet, there are no roles claimed yet, all of this is based on opinions. Now, if you can make a good, reliable scum read after 3 days into D1, tell me how because i honestly have no clue. I already replied to the other stuff in my previous posts, though.In post 329, JarJarDrinks wrote:VOTE: inspectorscout
I just read his ISO and so much fluff. There's like barely any opinions on anyone. And when he finally does give his reads:it's basically townreading the guy that everyone is townreading and then weak-ass scumreads on 3 of the people that everyone else is suspecting.Spoiler:
And like all of his scum reads are "This guy seems like scum but IDK maybe not."
Just a list of strange reads there. WHy the F does he mention Kush as a null read for making ONE post but then he lumps everyone else in the nulls saying "Yah everyone i didnt mention is here too because they didnt post enough yet or just cuz i have absolutely no idea about them yet"?
and lastly, meanwhile, zach focuses AGAIN just on those things he likes to focus on, but probably didnt even read what else was in my post.
I love making shitty posts because it makes clear who wants to hop on easily and who doesnt. The downside is that people dont believe me anymore after those.-
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like, does anyone read what i write?In post 344, Trivium wrote:Why do you think we're going to lynch you D2 because of activity? Why do you seem to have a problem with the fact that you've drawn attention to yourself? It's not hard to focus on that one line, it's weird that you're saying he's focusing on it instead of paying attention to what you're saying.
The biggest problem of getting the most attention - negative or positive - is that you are likely to get NK'ed/lynched. if you are too town, you get NK'ed, if you are too scum you get lynched. thats basic game theory. If you follow that line of thought:inspectorscout wrote:dunn: I did some meta research and i know stuff about the few games i already played; the most active player is either nightkilled very early into the game or lynched early, mostly because they say so much that scum can find an easy way to get the lynch done.
Lets say you value me town at the end of d1 and lynch person x because you believe my claims. there is a 10/13 chance that will be a town lynch - and im not some scumhunting god, im pretty sure that i wont get lucky with a scum lynch. that doesnt happen in like 90% of the games. Scum at night sees that i tried to contribute a lot - which i did, you cant say i didnt - and might kill me because of that - its only logical, after all; kill the active townie so the more inactive ones find less. If they somehow decide to kill someone else, D2 arrives. If they think for 2 seconds, they choose someone on my scum list, so both the mislynch and the NK seems to be on me. Its really easy for scum to start a wagon then, no?
ok, lets say you dont and you think i am scum. Either i get lynched, or someone else is even more suspicious for some reason and you lynch that guy then. (statistically speaking, lynch D1 is in town's favour, so there WILL be a lynch) Scum can then proceed to frame me fairly easy by choosing the right NK target.
And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.-
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I played 1 game, lynched D1 offsite, but Id rather not talk about that since i dont like to throw in the newbie card likeIn post 345, Zachstralkita wrote:that one line from scout sounded very LAMIST just saying if you had to define LAMIST with one sentence it would be that one... thats what just irks me
i want to factor in this being his first game on site BUT I'm pretty sure he's played elsewhere so not sure why that is relevantTrivium wrote:Transcend, I myself am still pretty new to this game and that reads list looked off to me as well. Scum can 'scumhunt' really well, but you can really tell based on what their 'opinions' are.-
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Blueyoshi whyyyy
i thought you were town but with every post you seem to try and convince us you are not T_T
read the game, read some iso's and please, come back with at least some opinion, you still have time to do that
@dunn this is kinda why i wont put jarjar at town right nowIn post 342, inspectorscout wrote: Meanwhile: jarjar conveniently jumped too because ''his iso is fluffy there arent opinions'' while i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301. Also, now that i can quote:
The 3 scumclaims are weak because we are like 3 days into D1. There is no dead body yet, there are no roles claimed yet, all of this is based on opinions. Now, if you can make a good, reliable scum read after 3 days into D1, tell me how because i honestly have no clue. I already replied to the other stuff in my previous posts, though.In post 329, JarJarDrinks wrote:VOTE: inspectorscout
I just read his ISO and so much fluff. There's like barely any opinions on anyone. And when he finally does give his reads:it's basically townreading the guy that everyone is townreading and then weak-ass scumreads on 3 of the people that everyone else is suspecting.Spoiler:
And like all of his scum reads are "This guy seems like scum but IDK maybe not."
Just a list of strange reads there. WHy the F does he mention Kush as a null read for making ONE post but then he lumps everyone else in the nulls saying "Yah everyone i didnt mention is here too because they didnt post enough yet or just cuz i have absolutely no idea about them yet"?-
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In post 349, Trivium wrote:I dunno. I kind of town read inspectorscout purely from his questioning and stuff, but I don't quite trust him. Dunn's probably town, my vote on him was really a joke.
[In post 351, Trivium wrote:I'm about 80% sure blueyoshi is scum, so I'm keeping my vote. Rasko is probably scum too, the shift of attention towards and away from him felt really forced, can't pinpoint how though. drmy's weird.
I dont like this sudden backing out, especially because its right after me doing a scumread on himIn post 352, Trivium wrote:I made a joke on parallel structure. Not like that was going to be a wagon anyway, I didn't even make a case.
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zach posts 343
trivium posts 4 minutes later, so he sees that post. he didnt mention anything about it though, but instead questions me (like he should, there is no problem with that)
I post my defense in 346-347
in 348, dunn reads me as probable townie
and suddenly, trivium says im probably town and comes back to the zach post in 343, questioning it.
tbh that looks off to me
@dunn I am not sure of jarjar being scum, if i had found more he wouldve had my vote a long time ago already. What i dont like at all, is that he scumreads me based on stuff that isnt even true. Like, he said my posts dont contain opinions, but i linked a whole bunch of them. He said that my list is weird because i mentioned like 2 inactive people in null before giving up on doing that and just making a general comment. He mentions that my scum reads are weak but nobody has done bad enough yet to say 'you are scum for sure', hence the weak reads.
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Wait so...1 person is screaming 'VOTE JARJAR' and another one is almost crying 'pls get off jarjar vote joshi'. wtf is this?
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Like, why am i even trying? i am asked questions, i answer them, and i get asked the same questions again. I gave reads on like 3 people after the list that started this all, and nobody -nobody at ALL - didnt even bother to look at it.
I dont understand why nobody sees trivium just posting the obvious, kinda saying what has already been said and just some short posts in between that say like 'yeh he might be suspicous idk'. He litteraly said 'ye jarjar could be scum but he could be town ye' in 2 posts, but nobody mentioned that.
zach is vauge as fuck (again)
And that focus on me seems more scum-like than town-like: go for the easy lynch targets to me.-
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the first part seems like a scum read that somehow vanishes against some meta, no?In post 484, Trivium wrote:I can see the votes on jarjar. Looking through what he's said, everything seems a little too logical. Like, mafia could reproduce any of that. I suggest looking at his meta though. He seems to be acting the same way he did when he was town in another game I played. drmyshotty is weird.-
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So, you avoid my previous statement and now come back to this. Oh, and you missed something: i was the guy that said those posts are NOT scummy. Honestly, this post just feels like ''I have nothing to say anymore so i reread his iso to find stuff and now i have this omg look'' I've had enough of your 'suspicion' based on reasons that arent even true. next time you ask me something, read what i wrote before and/or read my answer.In post 516, JarJarDrinks wrote:Missed this earlier
Hey scout, if you think "If X then Y" posts are scummy then should we scumread you for this?In post 265, inspectorscout wrote:Zach, why so arrogant?If you are town you should care about our opinions
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AHAHAHAHA please I already posted so many stuff about why i think he is scum, and thats why you should read everyone's posts instead of just some ISO's of people. Dont search for 3 minutes, know your goddamn thread before assuming i 'jumped'.In post 602, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:I've tried for 3 whole minutes to find the case against jarjar and I can't.
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hmm, yeah, probably. I am not voting for this because i understand his reasoning too, though. and even if he is scum, let him live and post his reads D2. if he really is scum, you will notice some stuff that are off anyway. im still believing in a triv/jarjar lynch right nowIn post 614, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:@Scout I am thinking he is scum because he has stated that posting opinions D1 is actually more beneficial to scum than other players and because of that he won't be posting his thoughts until D2, which reads to me as a super easy out of not actually posting reads and coasting through D1 by yolo hoping a random wagon is correct. He also says that most games town get lynched D1 but instead of just going with that and making a random wagon why not instead try and start solving the game now? Encouraging people not to post and/or not posting yourself about reads really isn't helping town at all, its just upping the odds of a town mislynch D1-
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What do you think about trivium?In post 622, Lowell wrote:@mod, I'll be gone again saturday through monday, on a second honeymoon.
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I dont think you should be lynched for your play style because i pretty much understand it, and if trivium doesnt get better at this real soon, i think hes a way better target than youIn post 636, Trivium wrote:I agree, mountain is obviously coasting. If he's going to wait until day 2 before getting serious, we have no reason to let him survive day 1.In post 636, Trivium wrote:I agree, mountain is obviously coasting. If he's going to wait until day 2 before getting serious, we have no reason to let him survive day 1.-
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uhh...its pretty common to lynch the VI, yes. if he is scum too, double the fun.In post 648, Trivium wrote:Yeah inspector, I suck at this so you should lynch me. That's how this game works, after all.-
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Uh, i think you made very few of those, and i already wrote down some stuff why i really dislike your playing. It doesnt seem like i can start a wagon on you, but you have my FoS. Your tone, as players in this game seem to love using, seems slightly towny to me, yes, but your content is mostly just throwing some more stuff at an already ongoing scumread or agreeing with it, and that backing out i mentioned earlier is still really...opportunistic.-
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oh and you pretty much played the newbie cardIn post 648, Trivium wrote:and in my relatively low experience that means he's mafia. Yeah inspector, I suck at this so you should lynch me. That's how this game works, after all.In post 648, Trivium wrote:and in my relatively low experience-
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I dont have one. Like zach, hes been constantly changing town-scum to me. I dont even understand most of his posts. But, as i said before, i have a gut feeling hes gonna be a mislynch + he said hes gonna post a readlist d2, and since i have other people that i want lynched, its best to keep him alive until then, and by using his readlist you will pretry much see if hes scum or not. There are 3 scum ppl, even if he is scum, rushing a kill on him isnt needed at all. Especially for me, since i have other suspects
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Why? I wasnt convinced of drmy being scum, and rushing his kill wont make you insta-win the game. Let him explain, discuss, try to make him slip, whatever, but rushing it just allows scum a free kill.In post 741, Zachstralkita wrote:That line is pretty fucking awful for reasons I don't need to explain. It tickles me the wrong way. I'd be comfortable with a scout lynch today. I am aware this was said pre-flip. It does not change the context at all. I was going to say he was null today but that line fucks me up.-
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So, can anyone guess what he meant with this question? I read it as 'you called my potssts useless, so what do you think about the posts that matter?' I replied to that, then he says I'm dodging like hell and he was 'so gonna fuckin kill' me. He tried to frame me into 'being drmy' scumpartner, if he flipped scum he would be sure of the next kill.In post 655, Trivium wrote:What do you think about my posts that matter, scout? Yeah, of course jarjar. I'm so patient. Dunn knows just how patient I am.
He was wrong
...and directly votes for the guy that thakes the most pro-town actions. Easy, after NK'ing dunn, no? - but not after voting for an ongoing wagon. Please.In post 719, Trivium wrote:VOTE: Transcend
Inspector is probably town given that my thing with drshotty was wrong.
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Really? Isn't the first thing you do D2 is checking if there is a nightkill/who got nightkilled? Even if that was a genuine townslip I'd rather PL than having him here but w/e.
@Trivium: I swear when a townie gets killed by your wagon, I'll do everything I can to get you dead.
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Ok try and convince me of others, since I have yet to see jarjar. Im not joining tommy wagon because i dont think hes scum, i iso'd him, hes not really active but he does try to nfind out 'why' all the time, and he did give opinions that didnt look like they were random-
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Not yet, I want to see what he thinks about drmy townflip and dunn NK first.In post 755, Transcend wrote:wanna vote jarjar?-
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In post 719, Trivium wrote:VOTE: Transcend
Inspector is probably town given that my thing with drshotty was wrong.
Smooth transition. Please die.In post 744, Trivium wrote:Why wouldn't you lynch inspector? What has inspector done that is so townie to you that you wouldn't lynch him?
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I missed that one before, and its a slip. Town or scum, i dont care. If you think im townie, why would you want to lynch me?
That thing about dunn might have been a genuine townslip, but after thinking a bit, it was just TOO obvious. Like, dont you take the nightkill in consideration when you update your scumreads? Isnt that like the most basic town thing; using the facts you get to adjust your opinion? I'm sorry, but I said so much about trivium and it is being ignored because 'tone'. Oppose or defend, but not with 'tone,.-
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