~laundry~ FIN

[Desperado]

which is...me?

[Desperado]

?????

[Desperado]

One recent thing that sly said that rang genuine is how he was voting with strahd team or whatever but kept feeling like he was left to dry because everyone moved their votes away after and it read like he was feeling confused and betrayed.

and he couldn't feel confused or betrayed as scum because...?

[Desperado]

Sly is Town, bruhs. Do not support.

[Desperado]

Desp would you deadline no lynch or deadline lynch sly or deadline lynch creature?

Gerry isn't happening.

i mean i'm pretty sure he could happen

[Desperado]

SlySly (7): drealmerz7, Ser Arthur Dayne, Zachstralkita, Toogeloo, Nosferatu, MariaR, Fro99er
Creature (3): McMenno, gerryoat, Pine
gerryoat (3): Nachomamma8, Andrius, Desperado
Desperado (1): Firebringer
Pine (1):
Zachstralkita (1): Creature

Not Voting (2): Tammy, SlySly

tammy and took will definitely vote gerry, that's 5

creature will vote gerry, 6

then we just need 3 of mcmenno/pine/fb/nos/maria/frogger/dreal to switch

[Desperado]

oh, sly will obviously vote gerry for self preservation

it's actually quite easy for a gerry lynch to occur

[Desperado]

nacho flash wagon is a no go

[Desperado]

so, gerry?

[Desperado]

i'm not so sure right now, there's some juicy scum on my wagon that i think i'd prefer at this point.

ya definitely

but none of them are currently being voted

sooooooo

[Desperado]

The beetlejuicing is strong with creature.

SAD if you were to leash creature's shots, what would you choose he do tonight?

this post so scummy

[Desperado]

You're also assuming that both [Creature, Fire] are town.
Your plan requires both of them to function.

my plan does not assume creature is town.

just fire

ya that's why it's shit

[Desperado]

now i reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy want to lynch gerry

[Desperado]

mason's + cop/watcher + two more confirmed town

absofuckinglutelynot

[Desperado]

ya i just hadn't gotten to his claim yet

we're fucking lynching gerry, dude. his role is not a thing.

[Desperado]

I'm telling you guys Gerry is misreading his role and it's prob a p weak role that he thinks confirms him.

then he needs to eat rope

[Desperado]

like, if my options are either he's scum or he's such a totally shit player that he can't even read his role pm or clarify it with the mod

he needs to die

[Desperado]

I don't think two more confirmed town. Just one more. Gerry never said the person who confirms him is confirmed themselves.

uh

what?

why would gerry confirm himself as town...to scum???

[Desperado]

I hardclaim PR. But I won't claim which. I'm confirmed town to someone here, even if they don't know it yet. I know that sounds confusing, but it's true lol

gerry, without going too much into specifics, how exactly can one person here confirm you as town?

nice fish, but it really doesnt matter. One person will know I'm town, just like I know one person is town. Just dont know who they are yet

The last time someone tried to claim that they were confirmed town but refused to explain they were scum.

who said i was confirmed town? i simply gave my reason why I am PR and why i am claiming

Explain your pr. You said you were confirmed town to someone, who? How are you supposed to find them? How are they to find you?

i'll find them eventually. if i knew who i wouldn't have said i needed to find them. now you're posts sound dumb

ftr its my flavor and my role that work together. which is why i'll be confirmed town to someone.

also i'm not sure when i will be confirmed town to someone here. could take awhile. it's not automatic

1657

[Desperado]

1681*

[Desperado]

unvote
vote: creature

[Desperado]

I will vote Gerry any time any place

[Desperado]

Nacho is my spirit animal as usual

[Desperado]

Also if Gerry is scum Sad and Zach are both town and Andrius suggesting otherwise his hilarious. Scum aren't touching scum Gerry with a forty foot pole

[Desperado]

Mostly town except for maria on Sly currently

[Desperado]

unvote
Vote: gerryoat

[Desperado]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Desperado]

All aboard the NL train!!!!!!!!!

Choo chooooooooo

[Desperado]

we are The Little Town That Could

[Desperado]

except we cant

[Desperado]

All aboard the NL train!!!!!!!!!

Choo chooooooooo

This is literally the worst thing we can do, since we basically guarantee scum in {Creature, Sly}

You were voting creature earlier today, what changed?

I'll still vote creature

I just don't think my vote is gonna be the difference maker there

[Desperado]

THE POWER OR CHRIST COMPELS YOU

VOTE: CREATURE

[Desperado]

At no point have I even remotely implied I would allow a no lynch

I was being sarcastic

[Desperado]

Lmao four hours ago I was town and now you want me vigged?

Makes sense

[Desperado]

I was talking to frogger bud

[Desperado]

preach brother preach

[Desperado]

vote: nacho

[Desperado]

lol are you just playing dumb or...?

[Desperado]

i dunno why you guys are ignoring fro99er but it's cute

[Desperado]

right

so nacho is scum

[Desperado]

ya except fro99er was supposed to be protected

by you?????

[Desperado]

he was certainly under the impression that you had claimed a protective role

[Desperado]

and if you're a protective, why wouldn't you be on him

[Desperado]

we also had masons claimed

and gerry who claims he and someone else are conftown to each other

you think scum skipped over all that to shoot a cop that should have been protected?

[Desperado]

he was certainly under the impression that you had claimed a protective role

I mean yeah but why would I heal him?
I didn't think he was claiming pr
Did you think they were pr?

and if you're a protective, why wouldn't you be on him

I didn't think he would be night killed

what are you even talking about right now

[Desperado]

and you're now claiming role info on maria?

[Desperado]

Fire voting DESPERADO is stupid AND I distinctly remember he showed up and started posting everywhere on the site IMMEDIATELY after the lynch. Can we get him to post before deadline? No. Does he show up afterwards like nothing happened? Yep.

Wow.

You figured me out by post timings.
Damn.

are we just going to gloss over you suggesting you didn't know fro99er claimed cop???

what the fuck

[Desperado]

you're joking

[Desperado]

I am absolutely not

go sit in the corner and don't come back until you really think about what you've done

[Desperado]

But yeah I agree only 1 death doesnt 100% = nacho scum.

It's a possibility I guess? But then where's the scum kill.

well ya

silly me for assuming a fucking doc would read the thread

fro99er claiming cop as like, the most important thing that happened yesterday

and he missed it

[Desperado]

Seriously miller claim with a cop that dies on guilty results is super odd and questionable.

you keep saying this

and it keeps not making sense

[Desperado]

...and?

fro99er claiming cop, and the ensuing discussion about what to do that night w/r/t him, you, and creature, was literally the thing that got creature lynched

[Desperado]

ya basically

unvote
vote: mariar

of course i'm down for this

[Desperado]

lynch nacho,
then maria,

then desperado.

ALL SCUM.
Calling it now.

lmao remember when the cop claimed and built an elaborate plan that included you and the claimed watcher

and then you didnt even see it because you aren't even reading this game that you're playing?


ahahahahahahahahahahahaha













hilarious!

[Desperado]

he claimed because he was afraid andy was gonna vig him, and he didn't think he and creature were both town

you didn't read his posts either did you gerry

[Desperado]

hey fire

his silly claim got scum lynched when a no lynch looked almost inevitable

oh wait you arent reading the game so you wouldnt have known that, my b

[Desperado]

No one knew he was a cop.

why the fuck am i even here if you motherfuckers aren't going to read the game?????????????????????????????????????

[Desperado]

FROG YOU'RE A MORON

ya frog fuck you for claiming and getting scum lynched when you were sure you'd have protection on you

what a fucking moron you are!

[Desperado]

Wait am I seriously supposed to believe some people didn't read the cop claim?

160 page game and your surprised people missed some details.

Yeah I missed it too.

fuck you dude

how many of those pages are you/maria/sly/andrius jerking your dicks??????????????????

[Desperado]

holy fuck i cant handle it seriously

[Desperado]

Firebringer has 10% of the fucking posts in this game

by himself

and is using the size of game to excuse him not reading.

[Desperado]

Desperado. You lost all town credit yesterday, doesn't matter how big you post

lmfao

i lost all town credit when i got my role PM pre game

[Desperado]

toog
tammy

nacho
slysly
drealmerz

--------------- <---- line of lynchability

mcmenno
nosferatu
zachstralkita

pine
andrius

sad
gerryoat
firebringer

mariar

[Desperado]

I never planned on doing anything with it.
Its there in the incredible off-chance this is
a) some super scum gambit
b) I'm not around to fight it

I see a very large problem in that most people right now are running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
I think that "Tammy and Toogeloo might be scum!" speculation is tilting at windmills at this point in time and I don't think that it's a productive move to make.

I don't see anyone making a move.
SAD and I have voiced concerns which are valid.
Were you in the hydra with me when Fate and RBT faked Masons as scum? Or was that Gandalf?

Yes, if someone actually advocates for the lynch of a mason today they should be censured and/or die.
But no one's making that move and I don't think scum's stupid enough to make that move especially after the Creature death D1.

if "actually advocating" for the lynch is worth of death

why is baseless speculation a-ok?

[Desperado]

one necessarily follows from the other

[Desperado]

I've never wanted to be a vig so bad in my fucking life if Desp scumhunting as much as he shade posted he'd be a fucking god

lmao

oh hey, that game ended now!

i replaced maria town in a stack the deck game, she looked 100% completely different in that game

and the guy i called scum for three straight days was like a broken record "stop throwing shade! you're throwing shades! blahblahblooblee"

[Desperado]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69731

[Desperado]

here's her iso for you lazy fucks

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Desperado]

it's only 22 posts and the difference is clear as day

[Desperado]

i didn't get the impression she was bored at all

[Desperado]

you don't give a fuck if i scum read you

















hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


hahahahaha


ha

[Desperado]

1) It's you. You're the one defending him.
2) He hasn't even responded to the wagon yet.
3) It kind of just sounds like you're saying all of this stuff because you heard it used somewhere once and it sounds good.

No shit I'm defending him cause I just started that doesn't really count in MY eyes
What's your point?

VOTE: Desp

Nice discredit with stupid answers

Everyone's been just okay with the last 2 wagons like nothing is happening with no counter wagon
Desp can be wagoned though cause that post was shit

Desp you gonna give ANY reason what so ever on to why I'm scum I'm still waiting just so I can shut you down

I don't think scum is getting lynched today I dislike both wagons but I won't nl

Creature's wagon honestly feels like town but the wagons I want (as stated before) aren't happening so getting claims from others isn't what I want so I'm honestly about to cut my losses
Maybe I'll nl
UNVOTE:
Gonna think on this

I don't know why I'm so scared to be honest I'm never this defensive I think it's mostly because I want to have one game where I feel really strong huh strange
VOTE: Zach

will someone PLEASE vig this???????????????

Still.Not.One.Reason.

"Miller claim" lol

VOTE: Desp
Fuck it this is scum and I'm keeping it here show me one towny post this guy has made all I see is shade throwing 24/7 with 0 content
Pedit: "I've been doing the same thing all game"

Like is voting scary for you people? Are you scared to step on toes jesus I have more balls then half of you and that's saying something

says the person who literally just said she was scared of voting

how are dreal and i the only people seeing thisssssssssss

I'm scared of voting because of being wrong if I say I sr someone I vote them I don't just throw shade and call someone scum and not vote them unlike half of the people here

My name is in desp iso 21 times and not one of them has a reason for scumreading me it's legit all shade lol

@ maria yes please continue your scum theater

i'm interested to see what edits you've made with this new information

OUT A SINGLE REASON FOR YOUR SCUMREAD ON ME DEAR GOD
People say I'm anti town look at this guy lmfao

[Desperado]

but you heard it here folks, maria doesnt care if i think she's scum

[Desperado]

Why aren't you voting me are you scared I bet you're scared

lmfao

[Desperado]

ps it was funny because

i am voting you

[Desperado]

yes but now you're saying you don't care if i scumread you

which is obviously a lie

you care very, very much

[Desperado]

i think this is an extraordinarily common lie that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with alignment

maybe, but she's based her entire read w/r/t me on how i'm scumreading her with no reasons, complete with post after post of her clearly caring that i scumread her

"I don't even care that you scumread me" is not something I would expect town-her to say after she's spent the entire game caring about me scumreading her

[Desperado]

i think this is an extraordinarily common lie that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with alignment

maybe, but she's based her entire read w/r/t me on how i'm scumreading her with no reasons, complete with post after post of her clearly caring that i scumread her

"I don't even care that you scumread me" is not something I would expect town-her to say after she's spent the entire game caring about me scumreading her

I care that you give no reason that is all I care for if you gave reason I'd try and dismiss your reason by giving my own and if you still scumread me after that so be it
You are giving none at all so I have nothing to work with see the issue here

heres what you dont seem to get

even tho i already explained it to you once

what you call "throwing shade" is

literally scumhunting

. i don't know where this shade throwing fad started but this is fucking MAFIA, the entire game is shade throwing!

when you say something like "i should have never defended you (gerry) d1" what would you label that as?

[Desperado]

Desperado frustration is very real and very apparent, but i have no idea if that makes him town or not.
You would think he would channel the frustration into manipulation if he was scum, but theres really not much there.

i could write a goddamn book on what i could do this game if i were scum

[Desperado]

page one: don't fucking claim miller

[Desperado]

page two: don't waffle on creature

[Desperado]

Did it literally my last scum game, won it.

i don't run dipshit gambits as scum

[Desperado]

if you cant see that nacho is town you're never going to get it

[Desperado]

i also don't have any confidence you a) reading my words or b) comprehending them or c) actually taking them in and thinking critically

so it's just be a giant waste of time

[Desperado]

ya because everything you're doing right now is scum motivated

[Desperado]

and my last list was 1000 posts and a day ago. fro99er was in the 2nd to last tier

but ya for sure, continue

PEdit: it was to gerry, the person i was talking to

[Desperado]

ya because everything you're doing right now is scum motivated

...Analyzing creature's posts?

And giving reads on people?

speculating on tammy/toog scum

pushing me when you have two? three? stronger scumreads

pushing nacho for wanting gerry dead

etc. etc.

[Desperado]

You'll never admit when you're in the wrong will you Gerry you'll call someone bad or say it's their fault alrighty

welcome to 1/4 of the way through D1

how is this news to you???

[Desperado]

I have this icky feeling one of my hard town reads is playing me super hard.......
i don't like it.

how bout some names

[Desperado]

I will admit when I'm wrong. I haven't been wrong yet lol.

you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

[Desperado]

or talk to someone

[Desperado]

like nacho and i are here right now

[Desperado]

tammy what kind of thoughts did you have overnight?

[Desperado]

tammy gerry has like 20+ completed games

[Desperado]

Arthur looks townish from the way he went after and mentioned creature the entire game. Arthur has never played with creature before so he had every reason to give creature a pass but doesn't.

*cut to scum pt pregame*

creature: hey guys my scum game blows you should probably just bus me

sad: ok

????????

[Desperado]

i'm not even saying that's what happened, my sad read is in flux right now, but i mean...that is not a reason think sad is town

[Desperado]

yeah i don't know why creature would even bother posting if that was the case.

what do you mean

creature was a goon and by all accounts a poor scum player

his only utility to the scum team was getting lynched for town cred

[Desperado]

i am saying if the plan was "Guys just buss me"
Why would creature interact with anyone? I felt some level of effort from him during the day, even if you say it was minimal.

Why even put forward that?

??

i mean obviously plan a is for creature to not get lynched, which requires even a token effort

[Desperado]

@ tammy: fair enough, but surely arthur is aware that you're aware of that?

[Desperado]

um, ya

basically

that's pretty much what bussing is

[Desperado]

either it works and you get towncred or it doesn't, and your buddy lives

[Desperado]

why the fuck am i explaining basic mafia concepts to you

[Desperado]

Gerry I think nacho is town because I like the post's he's amde I haven't seen anything that pinged me as scummy plus I trust tammy's judgement on top of that he seems to be acting the same in the game he was a mason in and I was scum

My uncertainties on Nacho stem from not recognizing the meta argument against Creature and not acknowledging some of Gerry's flail that looked kinda townish. The argument against Creature was based on some meta that he acted differently when town, but that wasn't acknowledged, so I wanted to look into that more. His push against Gerry was pretty strong and I wasn't sure if it was him being stubborn against someone who made a claim that was most likely complete bullshit and that made him scum when some of his antics looked kinda town. But Nacho can be stubborn sometimes as town too, so that's something I wanted to talk a little bit more about with him to get a feel for where his head is at.

??????????????????????????

[Desperado]

because tammy said she was unsure of nacho and you are saying she was sure of nacho basically.

more like maria is saying nacho is town because she trusts tammy's judgement

[Desperado]

Tammy's judgement is icing on the cake. If she thinks he's scum that may change but I'll take unsure

brb lighting myself on fire

[Desperado]

How exactly does force-replacing work.
If PLAYER A causes PLAYERS B and C to replace out can the mod just force-replace PLAYER A to keep the other two?

yo andy this post is scummy as ballfuck

[Desperado]

I still have a lot of pages to catch up on, but felt I really needed to posts some thoughts once I hit that gerry post. I would have voted Maria because of gerry's claim, but then I read the post associated with the above quote, and I find no basis for the vote now. Nacho being lynched today is the correct play up to where I've read, though I like him this game, it's just the crumb that was left needs to be followed up on, and it leads to Nacho's lynch. I won't vote until I am finished reading though. I wish you guys wouldn't post so much though. I haven't read past Post 4242.

no, lynching nacho is not the correct play anymore

i cant really tell what you've read and what you havent

[Desperado]

Seeing 885 and 1049 from Andrius back to back is hilarious

[Desperado]

u wot m8?

it was certainly 9 pages but it wasn't shitposting

[Desperado]

nothing is decided on 99% of pages, granted on the vote changes, a variety of new arguments were introduced, and D1 WAS crappy whether we lucked in to a sucm lynch or not

[Desperado]

doesn't change the fact that you're legitimately handwaving ten pages and it's really suspicious because it was all actual game content, not 10 pages of wine talk

[Desperado]

Also all his interactions with Desperado clearly shows Nacho is defending town there.
I mean, I think Desperado is likely town now regardless of Nacho flip, but all those interactions show me someone trying to pocket town.

Derp = Town
Nacho = Scum

it's not pocketing if we both find each other simultaneously

i understand that you're afraid of what can happen after that

it's ok

we'll make it quick and painless i promise

[Desperado]

omg get in my mouthhhhhhhhh

[Desperado]

i never send food back, i promise....

[Desperado]

pine was below the line but i don't really want to lynch him

think i'll just keep voting scum for now

[Desperado]

aka, my reads are like:
Strong: Desperado, SAD, Firebringer, SlySly,

McMenno

, Andrius
Lean:

MariaR

, Fro99er,

Nosferatu

, Nachomamma8
PoE: drealmerz7,

Zachstralkita

, Pine, Toogeloo, gerryoat, Tammy

seems reasonable

[Desperado]

well when you add up all the conftown/deadtown/strong townreads

you're basically left with the 4 red names + pine, fire, and sad

[Desperado]

yes

and a 5 man team with a goon + role madness otherwise + the review team seems possible

[Desperado]

i could see them looking at a 13v4 with all sorts of power everywhere and just telling him to add another scum

[Desperado]

Nah

don't you have some batshit role that's never even been done before?

the existence of the goon with all of the claims that have happened/been softed suggests to me that it was added later

unless you think the other 3 scum are complete gods

[Desperado]

i could see them looking at a 13v4 with all sorts of power everywhere and just telling him to add another scum

No, that's not adding one scum.

That's converting one town to a scum. Huge difference from balance stand-point.

i know what i said

i think they could see all of the town power and say if he wants to keep it, X town PR needs to be a goon

[Desperado]

i also dont think a 4 man team would buss a goon as freely as most people seem to be assuming

[Desperado]

it's kinda like how denying climate change is stupid because if it's all bullshit and we don't address it then no harm no foul, but if it isn't bullshit....

[Desperado]

Barely anyone bussed Creature till prob the very end.

Which is why it was hard to lynch him and distracting wagons like Gerry kept popping up.

so you're completely rejecting toog's interpretation?

[Desperado]

or, we're town and the scum were already bussing

[Desperado]

Then they would've been here at deadline and possibly switched to Sly but like no one else was here at deadline.

Unless Sly is also scum and a strong PR that they were on Creature in the beginning.

they wouldn't move to sly because they had invested in bussing creature

[Desperado]

did you miss the whole tete a tete that sly and i had?

[Desperado]

Votecount 1.26 - FINAL

Creature

(9 - LYNCH):

McMenno

,

gerryoat

, Pine, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Ser Arthur Dayne, Tammy, Fro99er, Desperado

SlySly

(4): drealmerz7,

Zachstralkita

, Nosferatu,

MariaR

gerryoat

(2): Toogeloo, SlySly

Desperado

(1): Firebringer

Zachstralkita

(1):

Creature

Not Voting

(0):
17 players, 9 majority.

[Desperado]

something like that

[Desperado]

miller isn't negative utility with a weak cop

[Desperado]

Wait, so red are scumreads? If so, bullshit on McMenno and Gerry. Gerry was a CW to Creature, and McMenno was like the first one on Creature, and stayed faithful the whole time.

[Desperado]

if scum were bussing creature being a CW to creature is irrelevant and yes, mcmenno was the first one on creature and stayed faithful the whole time without any depth to his read or really doing anything else then or since

huh

[Desperado]

almost like he was....


bussing

[Desperado]

if scum were bussing creature being a CW to creature is irrelevant and yes, mcmenno was the first one on creature and stayed faithful the whole time without any depth to his read or really doing anything else then or since

huh

Disagree. The reluctance and resistance to the completion of the Creature wagon was extensive, and only broke at the very end.

You seem to be suggesting that McMenno bussed from the start, out of the blue, and hung on stubbornly even when the Creature wagon seemed to fall apart multiple times, and when switching over to an alternate compromise wagon at deadline would have been practically free of suspicion.

I don't buy that assessment. Scum bus, but they don't do it for zero reason, they don't tend to do it quietly or stubbornly, and when it doesn't seem to be working, they look at other options.

lol

why are you pretending like you just started playing mafia yesterday

[Desperado]

"scum don't buss for no reason"

bussing IS the reason

like i dont even know how to properly respond to that

[Desperado]

strong townreads on gerry and mcmenno is pretty batshit pine

[Desperado]

Here's the thing - bussing for no reason and out of the blue just doesn't happen as often as it's talked about. A teammate is a valuable resource. Distancing occurs, but it's a big waste to eliminate a teammate. If you completely sacrifice one out of the blue, it's got to be dramatic enough to earn you a ticket to endgame. Claiming a guilty on a teammate, for example. Counterclaiming them. You don't do it quietly and stubbornly.

a teammate is not a valuable resource if his scum game is dog shit, everyone knows it, and he doesn't have any night actions

[Desperado]

Desperado like third time how do you have a strong townread on Sly.

hey SAD for the second time, did you miss me and him having a five page back and forth that ended with me saying he's town

[Desperado]

i mean, they very nearly had their cake and ate it too. creature came pretty close to not getting lynched.

what i'm selling is that if there was ever a scum to bus for the towncred and nothing else, it's a goon who can't play emulate his town game no matter how hard he tries and half the playerlist has experience with him

[Desperado]

I think desp is scum from all this actually

thanks pine

VOTE: desperado

lol so you think i'm lying about my thought process here or...?

if i was scum there is no question i would have bussed the shit of creature

[Desperado]

Creature (9 - LYNCH): McMenno, gerryoat, Pine, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Ser Arthur Dayne, Tammy, Fro99er, Desperado

let's go one by one here

well I'm on page 13 and I already know drealmerz is town

creature is giving me some fierce pingers

ep is also scum probably

creature is beetlejuice with a sock on his head

man I'm catched caught up and fucking

pumped

moist

VOTE: creature

see the thing with creature is... as town, he's stream-of-conscious, live by the moment, asking people around for reads...

as scum people are like "hey where's creature's at" CREATURE like a monster is: "hey I'm here waddup /leaves" "oh well he's lynchbaity let's let him live a while"

which is not going 2 happen on my watch

Spoiler: creaturejuice

creature is posting way more than if he was scum....

like he was scum in hunger games, and he is already posted more in this game than that game.

I wasn't in hunger games but compare to say wakegame (where I was scum with him) it's the same thing here

My heart says FB is town.
My head said FB is scum. Before a few drinks.

I don't see a case for Creature being scum besides for activity, and Creature has been known to be lost in larges.

yes?

no that's not it, the point is town creature is *here are some thoughts* pretty frequently and whenever he feels like

with scum creature people are like "hey where's creature" and creature's like "I'm here *here are some thoughts*"

This feels overly simplistic.
There's no way his entire scumplay is BEETLEJUICE.

but it is though

see, creature doesn't enjoy playing scum, he'd much rather find out who the scum is

and if he's scum, he's, well... a lot less motivated. he doesn't know what to do, is a fish in a barrel basically. and that's what I'm seeing here

mcmenno himself is the source of "creature sucks as scum and look at him, he's sucking!"

whether you knew mcmenno previously or not, this is the baseline that has been established for him

Also Creature is maf. But how many votes are on him rn

Also Creature is maf. But how many votes are on him rn

Only if "maf" is the flavor for town, but I don't think it is.

forced af lol

anyway my reason for scumreading creature is from past experience from memory

so sad's "no one was scumreading him via meta but me and mcmenno" thing is blown out of the water almost immediately. gerry basically takes one post from creature, calls it forced and creature is scum forever and ever amen. ok.

As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too.

I concur.

Tammy is also looking Townish to me, though I want her to be wrong about Andrius. I really, really want her to be wrong. My finely-honed (read: rusty as fuck) sock-detection senses tell me to be wary of the hyper-buddying he's doing though.

Toying with not bothering to read the four dozen pages I snoozed through.

Vote: SlySly

i no longer care whether this is a thing that can happen or not

It's not a thing that can happen.

in a page that is already 70 pages of mostly nothing.

literally every large theme game ever

Only in the last year or two. We used to have fun and still be readable. Want to read an insanely fun game that was somewhat concise? Call of Cutthulufish. I mean, mods had GAME back then. There are great mods now (<3 Firebringer), but the creativity of that game just cannot be overstated.

we can lynch slysly

VOTE: slysly

VOTE: slysly

He didn't even read it.

I do not sign up for games with people that I hate.

Why do I want Tammy lynched? Andrius is my top TR. Her attack on him makes her my top SR.

VOTE: Sly

VOTE: SlySly

Unvote
Vote: Slysly

I want to be part of the cool kids.

STAHP. I said no.

HOLY

MOLY

Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.

Right?

Lurking, trolling, and bare-voting Creature needs rope. SlySly wagon is full of fail and opportunism.

STRAHDIANS, UNITE.

VOTE: Creature

Hey, you're also technically lurking.

Ah, but you're active lurking, I've just been mostly absent. There's actually a substantial difference.

And don't think I don't see the inherent OMGUS in the quoted statement.

Oh nice, guess scum found a way to mislynch D1 and still get away, but I'm not letting that.

So you're thinking that painting all of your detractors with a broad brush is the way to get out of this?

Feeling a Hunger Games!Pine, except I'm not in his scumteam.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about Hunger Games!Creature.

hey look

yet another person who was reading creature as scum via meta

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

NOW FOR THE REAL DEAL

LADIES AND GENTLETOWELS

THIS IS I, LORD ERRANTPARABOLA

WELCOME TO MY LAUNDROMAT

No, this isn't bullshit. This is straight-up Admiral Andrius of this game.

I am actually Errantparabola, not the mod, but the character.
SO YOU ALL ARE MY LAUNDRY
Now that being said let's move along shall we?

GLORIOUS ERRANTPARABOLEANS
dreaemrz - Drealmerz is as drealmerz does. He'll scumread me at some point for a difference in playstyle but there's little that can be done save be masons with him.
Pine - I mean you punch me in the heart when you say I maybe scum. But I think you're town. Strong early game, gives no shits.
MariaR - We're always waiting for the next season. The producers don't want any big moves this early. Also, you remind me of AGM a bit with the (apparently) you have a preference for MAFIA and there's less engagement here. But hey, we're talking atnd its D1 so maybe we'll stick it to the producers this one eh?
SlySly - Town.
Fro99er - Town because the big three are hating on him and he doesn't give a shit. Honey badget don't care.
Toog - Wow look he's doing things. And he's joining the gif brigade. Town.
SAD - Town for reactions to wagon and potential lynching at L-1.

???
FB - This'll likely be a long-term read. Because I've seen you as scum (DEFCON), and I'm actually town this game, I'm going to actually have to pay attention to what you're doing this game. Which, hopefully, you just join the GIF BRIGADE and we don't hav to ever doubt your heart.
Zack - mfw doing little of consequence. FB townreads him. idgi
Aero - Literally haven't seen anything he's done of consequence. Will have to look individually.
Creature - Not playing to his normal. Will take time to parse out the dreck. Vigilo. Confido.
Tammy - Rising. At this point I'd target you if I were a Weak role just to have this out of the way.

SOCKS
Desperado - Like, you're here. Claim aside, you're still here. I don't have words but the gut says you're here. The brain says no. But we all know how I play.
Gerry - No, you're doing little things making little waves and are generally just herp derping through the game. SAD has too many townreads? I have more. Come at me, scum.
nacho - Nacholove I could write you an essay. All I want is for you to be here and do the reads and either lead or be part of the TOWNBLOC that you know will happen because you and I are here and this is how we roll. I want to see you interact with people and be human but I'm not getting the Nacholove vibes. And you know I can read you correctly. (And yes, I realize that the most recent game we've played was WEREWOLVES with PINE. I forgot about that one.)
Nosferatu - Please show up and play the game.

Is it because Now has done jack all, because that's why I originally voted him?

I mean I don't have high expectations for Nos, but yeah, his not doing things is bad.
Also Creature but w/e I've seen him to next-to-nothing before. Attempting to be charitable here.

I don't believe that's your perception Andrius.

Well then we're at an impasse.
Look, I understand where you're coming from. You're saying you were happy. Great. I'm not arguing that.

My perception was something else. I'm not going to claim SAD and I are on the same page but he also thought you were off at one point in time.

I know you're better that the bs your posting right now.

Uhhhhh what.
What, the reads list early on?
I usually have reads lists. I do it all the time.
Are my reads atrocious? On occasion. I successfully found zero scum in Curse of the Werewolves and p. much only found town the entire game.
I don't claim to be good at this game but you can't say I'm not transparent.

I still think you're over correcting. And just because you were able to knock me off tilt last time I suspected you when you were scum by playing this stupid game you're playing now, it won't work this time.

You know I can't respond to this right now.

There are no games here. These are my reads and if you just say "ok great they're terrible" that's fine.
But I'm not convinced that's the case.

Thought that was interesting. Why is dreal the strongest townread Andy? Zach would certainly seem to disagree.

The lists aren't stratified other than by category.
If they are, I'll make it clear that's the case.

The only thing I like is that people are finally realizing what I pointed out last night that nosferstu is being useless. She's scummy, but frogger asked for a minute and I'm giving that.

Thanks. I'm not sure on Nos yet but I know a town Nos when I see one...usually as the game progresses. I'm not going to say what it is, because I don't want to influence that behavior coming out or not.

This doesn't help me. At all.
I want him dead and the vague IN THE FUTURE stuff won't fly forever.

Vote: Andrius

What bitter moisture is the taste of betrayal, Andrius. We could have had it all, but the only love you have for me is a dagger in the back.

I don't know, man.
I could write for a long time about things that probably don't matter to people here/matter anymore but that'd be a waste of my time.

This isn't some form of betrayal.
Yes, perhaps I was foolish to think I could just pick things up where I left off with people after being gone for years and more time wearing a black tie than I wanted to.
But if I were to speak honestly from the heart we'd be so far off-track with this game.

So no.
I'll mortify the heart and do what I can for you all.
I'll stay here, as long as you let me.

Tammy if I offended you then ask me to leave and I'll be gone.

Why do you feel better about Fro99er, but he was already a town read?

So let's say you're married.
I think you are.
You love your spouse?
Then they do something unexpected and you love them more.

I townread Fro99er.
He did things.
I townread him more.

Changed my mind. Through page 23 and [Frogger, Tammy, Nacho] all better.

"Hi honey I'm home. And I changed my mind! I love you."

Your wife would slap you and think you didn't love her before.

What you said indicates you had a scumread on him before. Which is why your whole readlist reeks of fakeness. You also liked my reaction to my L-1? That happened before you posted your reads list and you still had me as scum there.

Clearly I need to write better.
"I changed my mind" implied I changed my mind from going to bed right now and decided to read a little bit more. Not I changed my mind on my read.

dreaemrz - Drealmerz is as drealmerz does. He'll scumread me at some point for a difference in playstyle but there's little that can be done save be masons with him.
Pine - I mean you punch me in the heart when you say I maybe scum. But I think you're town. Strong early game, gives no shits.
MariaR - We're always waiting for the next season. The producers don't want any big moves this early. Also, you remind me of AGM a bit with the (apparently) you have a preference for MAFIA and there's less engagement here. But hey, we're talking atnd its D1 so maybe we'll stick it to the producers this one eh?
SlySly - Town.
Fro99er - Town because the big three are hating on him and he doesn't give a shit. Honey badget don't care.
Toog - Wow look he's doing things. And he's joining the gif brigade. Town.
SAD - Town for reactions to wagon and potential lynching at L-1.

All of your town reads are poetry; they aren't reads.

Drealmerz is drealmerz but look at us, we are scum together!

Pine is town because he doesn't care. Frogger is town because he doesn't care. Maria prefers scum and is less engaged and thus town. Sly is town because Sly is a friend.

The ADMIRAL ANDRIUS persona is not just amusing pictures; there's supposed to be an actual drive to solve the game and holy shit is it hilariously absent; I'm just sad that Tammy made it here before I did.

See this is just opinions.
I have my reads, which are my opinions.
You might think I'm bullshitting but that doesn't change what I think.

Tammy might be all happy to walk into the game but I was like whoa hang on there's something off here.
Doesn't mean she's not happy.

Like, you can call my reads wrong. That's ok.
But don't sit here and undermine everything I'm doing.

Pine is town because he doesn't care. Frogger is town because he doesn't care. Maria prefers scum and is less engaged and thus town. Sly is town because Sly is a friend.

Look I'm not expecting you to be all GIVE THIS MAN PROFESSOR MAFIA.
I play in my own mixture of reads with a few specific tells I've picked up from being here long enough.

I don't know how to engage with you here because you're shutting down this entire conversation with NO ITS ALL BULLSHIT YOUR READS ARE POETRY.

Do you disagree with my reads? Or is it how I am presenting them? Do you think Pine is scum? Do you think Fro99er is scum? Do you think Maria is scum? Do you think Sly is scum?
Or are you just taking issue with my tone or presentation or something?

Because just going LOL POETRY is bull.

Also if we're wagoning people for lurking and/or not contributing to the game I feel creature is better at least there are people who can vouch for Nos for being like this everything I have ever read about and or seen of creature he's an extremely engaged player.

Trust me I an noticing Creature.
I have some experience with him.

nacho - Nacholove I could write you an essay. All I want is for you to be here and do the reads and either lead or be part of the TOWNBLOC that you know will happen because you and I are here and this is how we roll. I want to see you interact with people and be human but I'm not getting the Nacholove vibes. And you know I can read you correctly. (And yes, I realize that the most recent game we've played was WEREWOLVES with PINE. I forgot about that one.)

Andylove what the hell is this?
"You aren't being human and you know I can read you, by the way we haven't played together in three years"???

What part of my opening said "not human" to you? Why do you talk about being confident in reading me now when you weren't confident in reading me when we were actually playing together?

I know better than to assume people don't change after years.
I would be lying if I said I hadn't.

Its like, I pretend that I can just pick up relationships after awhile with no change because certain people don't care about what happens in the rainy days, so to speak.
My words to you are an odd mixture of HI LETS PICK THIS UP AGAIN and OK WELL MAYBE YOU DONT or well maybe we just never had a strong relationship to begin with.
I would say more but the best example of this is somewhat

on-going

so I can't.

I mean.
You're here now, interacting with me.
So I guess I got what I wanted, eh?

My gut on you is usually right.
That newbie, both Xeno games we townread each other instantly but then allowed ourselves to doubt in the long-term, twice leading to my lynch in order to guarantee the win.
Its the paranoia that usually kills us. Well, me. You outlived me every time.

Maybe I should stop bringing in myself from outside the game into the game.
Maybe I should just wear the mask.

Look, I'm sorry for being an ass.

I don't want this to be a YOU AND I WALK AWAY FROM THIS

And sorry, I've already heard this song and am not particularly interested in yet another rendition; play me something different.

You don't like my reads? ok
You don't like my tone? ok
You don't like my delivery? ok
What do you want from me?

Yeah....andy was acting odd around Tammy.
Like really odd.

Like the conversation didn't feel normal in anyway.

Like a pre-pubescent teenager around his really hot Spanish teacher?

I don't get what you're alluding to.

i just can't get into this game. I need a flip to get reads, but i usually suck day 1 anyway. Why are people voting Andrious

Do you have any reads?
Any at all?

i just can't get into this game. I need a flip to get reads, but i usually suck day 1 anyway. Why are people voting Andrious

You should replace out it's not too late for someone to catch up your playstyle annoys the shit out of me the "sit there and wait for people to do stuff while I do nothing can we just get a flip any flip I'm bad day 1 I can't get into this game".

Agree with this sentiment.
What you said is far more charitable than what I might have said.

Slay and Dream are question marks for me as I don't understand how you can read them

Meta.
And me thinking I know them well enough.
Granted, I probably don't.
But I think I do well enough.

Not done yet.

HEY LOOK

YET ANOTHER PERSON WITH INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF CREATURE'S SCUM GAME

only difference is andrius was defending him for a while and then stopped

^this seems more towny than the others

[Desperado]

if you're keeping score that is a full 4/4 creature votes that expressed meta knowledge and i haven't even gotten to SAD yet

[Desperado]

Also Creature is maf. But how many votes are on him rn

why is Creature scummy?

Guys.

Creature wouldn't be this hard to lynch if he were Town. It would be a total no-brainer to justify lynching Town!Creature. We're not seeing any significant resistance, we're seeing interest elsewhere sans commitment. That says scum to me. I want to hunt off the Creature wagon when he flips scum.

This reasoning g sucks.

Frog claim makes me slightly more amendable to lynching Creature, but watcher is a protective/investigative role.

That's literally all he has to do.
And whoops big bad mafia nacho doesn't have a leg to stand on and Creature instantly gets lynched.

and at this point yeah i'm fighting a losing battle and yeah i'm probably voting creature by the end of it but I'd love if by the end of the day one person can give me a reason for him being town that makes sense

Nacho doesn't mention creature at all until the first post here. there is no way in hell nacho is scum.

[Desperado]

SAD already admitted he had knowledge of creature, tammy's a mason so i don't care, and fro99er is dead

[Desperado]

But no one was scumreading him because he was playing bad and not usual town game except for me and mcmenno. I had no direct prior games with him and I only spectated a bit of his town game where he was more engaging and scumhunting and here I felt he has no interest to scumhunt or solve the game, and mcmenno replaced in half of the day.

I legit don't know why others were scumreading him but for him to know before hand before game start people were gonna scumread him right away and told his teammates to buss because of his off game as scum is a huge stretch.

soooooooooooo

wanna try again?

[Desperado]

@Desp: All your mega-wall suggests is that Creature hasn't mastered the art and science of making his scumgame look like his Towngame. He has a noticeable difference between the two, and some people who have played with scum!Creature notice.

which is a direct contradiction of what SAD just said (you know, the impetus for the post)

oh yeah

and also completely consistent with everything i've said w/r/t creature and scum bussing

[Desperado]

sad are you being serious or is this like some kind of sick performance art?

[Desperado]

I still think Sly (and/or gerry) is scum power and we were all forced to give him up for a goon, but hey, no one cares what I think anyways...

unvote
vote: gerry

let's do it toog, you and me babe

[Desperado]

both of you are invested in this narrative so i get it

but objectively toog's interpretation is much, much more likely

[Desperado]

and now we're back to "why were they defending/avoiding the creature wagon previously"

[Desperado]

no you two are just wrong

[Desperado]

besides the fact that it makes more sense to bus creature scum early (especially if the person bussing has experience with creature's poor scum game, which every early creature vote did), all of the people who voted creature late are either dead, conftown, or town. it's me, nacho, tammy, fro99er.

[Desperado]

pine you cant really believe the first four votes on creature were all town

[Desperado]

how can you say we are wrong if you think we are scum. shouldnt it be more like "you two are lying"

this is just as forced as the one post that your creature scumread was based on

[Desperado]

hi

[Desperado]

yup, both of the top wagons are scum driven

[Desperado]

Unvote
Vote: Zachstralkita

[Desperado]

yup, both of the top wagons are scum driven

Why do you agree with my assessment of yesterday, but feel strongly that Sly is town and gerry is scum (and not both, or the other way around)?

gerry bussed creature and sly didnt?

[Desperado]

@ pine so it's dreal, nacho, and who else?

[Desperado]

Actually the fact that desp thinks both of those wagons are scum driven is hilarious

as hilarious as thinking two of the scum are both on you?

it might be three but you excluded me from your reads list so it's hard to tell what your read on me is

[Desperado]

@ pine you think dreal would be this nonchalant about not trying to read nacho as teammates?

[Desperado]

pine, the gamestate should make a lot more sense from your point of view if scum bussed creature. dreal and nacho don't make sense as partners with each other or with creature.

try maria + zach {gerry, mcmenno, andrius, sad} on for size

[Desperado]

maria + zach + {gerry, mcmenno, andrius, sad}

[Desperado]

he lied about everything

[Desperado]

....no

[Desperado]

????

[Desperado]

Unvote
Vote: Zachstralkita

you think andrius and sly are scum

they are both voting you

you caught up now?

[Desperado]

toog I have no idea what you're saying. you think scum mostly or completely bussed creature but you're asking me why I'm voting someone who voted creature and not voting someone who didn't vote creature

[Desperado]

I agree that the entire scum team wasnt lined up on creature but that doesn't make Sly scum and I have at least two maybe three people off the creature wagon that I would rather lynch than him. Maria, Zach, nos...

[Desperado]

Why does Nacho defend creature so hard and then bus anyway?

[Desperado]

Why does Nacho defend creature so hard and then bus anyway?

playing devil's advocate here: He realizes the lynch is inevitable and decides its better to be on than off.

And it took Nachoscum so long to realize that because...?

[Desperado]

Why does Nacho defend creature so hard and then bus anyway?

Because he was hoping to derail the Creature lynch, then saw the writing on the wall.

It is completely beyond me why this is so complicated.

It's not complicated, it's nonsensical. You're basically arguing that all five of the people on the front half of the wagon are town who all scumread creature for legit meta reasons and Nachoscum is like "fuck it ima defend him anyway and then limply vote him at the deadline even tho there are other options"

[Desperado]

Surrounding the balance of the game.

I'm starting to think it is 5 scum.

Lmao you serious bro

[Desperado]

12v5 is not unreasonable

12v4v1 is certainly not unreasonable

sure isnt

but why is sad speccing this now when he pushed back on me saying it 30 pages ago?

[Desperado]

What the fuck is this Zach wagon. Stop being useless.

i reject your false dichotomy

[Desperado]

nacho didn't bus creature and if we insist on voting off the wagon it's either zach or maria today

[Desperado]

this is starting to look multi-factional

call me when there's more than one nk

[Desperado]

Toog is so town that if he flips anything else I will call shenanigans

really going out on a limb there bud

[Desperado]

After reading through the last 10 pages or so, I really think Firebringer and McMenno could use way more attention than they are getting. If anyone feels as though we are at an impasse on the current lynch leaders, would they be so inclined to pursue pushing one of those two instead?

Mcmenno's push on Creature still doesn't look like a buss.

When people buss they do it with an agenda. Like they will be planning on tying scumreads X and Y to Z's scumflip to line up lynches, or they do it in a loud manner to get townpoints.

um

are you reading the fucking game???

all of the people who voted creature early are using the creature flip to go after the people who were late on the creature wagon

including mcmenno

????????????

[Desperado]

Votecount 2.8

I've finally located a place of wifi! Beep beep!
Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Nachomamma8

(5): Firebringer, Pine, McMenno, gerryoat, Tammy

SlySly

(5): Zachstralkita, Toogeloo, Nosferatu, drealmerz7, Ser Arthur Dayne

Zachstralkita

(3): Andrius, SlySly, Desperado

Andrius

(1): MariaR

Pine

(1): Nachomamma8

Not Voting

(0):

15 players, 8 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-17 19:57:00)

Prodding Nachomamma8.

pine, mcmenno, gerry all pushing nacho after they were the first three, and stickiest, votes on creature yesterday

[Desperado]

moving goalposts

youve been doing that a lot this game sad

[Desperado]

@ andrius it means that first sad said that mcmenno didnt bus because when people bus (already derailing logically here but that's fine) they do so to tie player a and b to scum c's flip and mcmenno isn't doing that

but he is

so now sad is saying that the push just isn't strong enough

and he has done this several times regarding several issues

[Desperado]

if i wanted to push sad i would vote him

[Desperado]

Also why attempt to dismiss multiball when no harm can come from discussing it? You motherfuckers act like you know the setup.

because there's literally no reason to be speccing multiball right now?

it's 100% baseless

[Desperado]

it was sarcasm fire

[Desperado]

[Desperado]

You realize,

Mcmenno isn't tying nacho to creature right?

how do you know? we had this conversation before he had a chance to actually say why nacho is scum

but i'd say it would have been pretty likely, considering that's the basis for the other people pushing nacho and mcmenno has essentially just rubber stamped it

[Desperado]

and i'm struggling to understand why you're defending mcmenno now when you were the first one to suggest that he bussed creature and has been coasting and doing nothing ever since

which is still 100% true

[Desperado]

and i swear to fucking god if one more person says "throwing shade" i'm going to have an aneurysm

when did that become a thing that people say???

[Desperado]

cool

also sounds like an easy way to remove accountability for anything you say

carry on!

[Desperado]

the people on the nacho and sly wagons need to figure out what they're doing. either consolidate on one of them or start a new wagon because the current gamestate is not going to result in a lynch.

[Desperado]

looking forward to your 30th "lynch nacho or desperate

(sic)

" post this day phase

gunning for the record!

[Desperado]

@ tammy, your nacho reads blows chunks and thus, you have two options:

1) push it through, see nacho's townflip, and get started on your reset
2) trust me on nacho and start your reset right now

[Desperado]

i really really really want to vote in {mcmenno, gerry, pine}

like, there does not exist a single parallel universe, in all of the parallel universes, in which all three of those guys are town who vote parked creature based on meta and are now arguing that scum don't bus like that

it's fucking stinks, bro

[Desperado]

Nacho if you're town and *this* is what I've been waiting months for, I give up.

so it's option A then

please just get it over with

[Desperado]

yes, i saw you say that already

so if you're going to lynch him, push it through, end this day, get his townflip and then we can move on tomorrow

[Desperado]

The Miller claim is really my only good reason for lynching Desperado.
Before the Cop claim, I was getting to the point where I thought of one [Desp, Frog] was scum, but then Frog claimed Cop and I was leaning him as scum.
Idk, Desperado seems like one of the only people really trying at times even if no one (read: you) hears him.

reminder that he claimed weak cop

you know, the only role that can actually confirm a miller

[Desperado]

i will vote him. lets do it together.

VOTE: Desperado

nailed it!

quite the milestone you hit there gerry, congrats man

[Desperado]

at least you spelled my name right this time

[Desperado]

no but he did say that he was sure that I was town because of his role