~laundry~ FIN

[Firebringer]

Arthur looks townish from the way he went after and mentioned creature the entire game. Arthur has never played with creature before so he had every reason to give creature a pass but doesn't.

*cut to scum pt pregame*

creature: hey guys my scum game blows you should probably just bus me

sad: ok

????????

yeah i don't know why creature would even bother posting if that was the case.

[Andrius]

Still think he's town.

He might be town, but I will hammer and gladly lynch that wagon if it ever becomes a thing and will not care. He is a detriment to town no matter his alignment.

Look, I agree with you but buy SAD's argument that he's just mad because we have a very strong culture here at MS and I think his playstyle/personality don't vibe with what we're doing.
I'm not saying he's an ass or we're holy bread or anything but there's obviously a massive clash and its not helping this at all.

That being said I did submit a kill on him last night, so no, I would not be sad if he died.
(For the unattentive reader: submitting a kill and having a kill are two very different things. I am not a six-shot-per-night vigilante.)

[Desperado]

yeah i don't know why creature would even bother posting if that was the case.

what do you mean

creature was a goon and by all accounts a poor scum player

his only utility to the scum team was getting lynched for town cred

[Firebringer]

yeah i don't know why creature would even bother posting if that was the case.

what do you mean

creature was a goon and by all accounts a poor scum player

his only utility to the scum team was getting lynched for town cred

i am saying if the plan was "Guys just buss me"
Why would creature interact with anyone? I felt some level of effort from him during the day, even if you say it was minimal.

Why even put forward that?

[Tammy]

Arthur looks townish from the way he went after and mentioned creature the entire game. Arthur has never played with creature before so he had every reason to give creature a pass but doesn't.

*cut to scum pt pregame*

creature: hey guys my scum game blows you should probably just bus me

sad: ok

????????

Okay so here's the thing. Arthur's is not big on bussing. (It has been a while since we've played together I will give that.) But my rememberance of Arthur's scum game is to maybe do a little distancing here and there, but to be more protective of his partners. He doesn't feel the need to bus and wouldn't just because someone said their scum game sucks. My scum game sucks, he's seen my scum game, and when we were partners didn't bus me.

Yes, bussing is a thing and maybe he does bus sometimes and when he has to, but I thought the way he went about it looked more along the lines of the ways that town!sad goes about things.

[Nachomamma8]

that makes sense.

[Tammy]

And I didn't get very far on my analysis. I planned on getting to everyone in the game in case I died, but instead of working on the game yesterday morning I got some much needed sleep.

[Desperado]

i am saying if the plan was "Guys just buss me"
Why would creature interact with anyone? I felt some level of effort from him during the day, even if you say it was minimal.

Why even put forward that?

??

i mean obviously plan a is for creature to not get lynched, which requires even a token effort

[Desperado]

@ tammy: fair enough, but surely arthur is aware that you're aware of that?

[Firebringer]

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i mean obviously plan a is for creature to not get lynched, which requires even a token effort

so you are saying the plan was "lets buss creature but hope town ignores it completely for someone else"?

[Desperado]

um, ya

basically

that's pretty much what bussing is

[Desperado]

either it works and you get towncred or it doesn't, and your buddy lives

[Desperado]

why the fuck am i explaining basic mafia concepts to you

[Tammy]

Still think he's town.

He might be town, but I will hammer and gladly lynch that wagon if it ever becomes a thing and will not care. He is a detriment to town no matter his alignment.

Look, I agree with you but buy SAD's argument that he's just mad because we have a very strong culture here at MS and I think his playstyle/personality don't vibe with what we're doing.
I'm not saying he's an ass or we're holy bread or anything but there's obviously a massive clash and its not helping this at all.

That being said I did submit a kill on him last night, so no, I would not be sad if he died.
(For the unattentive reader: submitting a kill and having a kill are two very different things. I am not a six-shot-per-night vigilante.)

I'm fine with a wide variety of play styles and personalities. What I am not fine with is what his play has been. He claims a role, won't explain it, won't even explain it when it's pointed out it's incompatible with my and toog's roles, calls everyone else bad, actually has the nerve to claim that even as town pr often and proudly refuses to claim his role (which is I'm sorry an unforgiveable offense for a town member), insults people more for trying to figure out what makes sense, then today says he was lying but then he's lying about lying.

That is bullshit that is unacceptable.

[Tammy]

@ tammy: fair enough, but surely arthur is aware that you're aware of that?

Yes, we come from the same homesite so are aware of how each other plays, but I don't think I've ever said that that's one thing I look for in reading Arthur.

[Firebringer]

ummm distancing is when you are pushing a buddy but not hoping for their lynch.
bussing is when you are aiming for your scum partner lynched to get towncred.

Maybe this is just a semantic argument, but w/e.
I don't think that was simple distancing.

[Tammy]

I'm going to go get some lunch and drink some beers. I have some grading to do today, but I will also be finishing up my thoughts as I have them hopefull!

[Nachomamma8]

ummm distancing is when you are pushing a buddy but not hoping for their lynch.
bussing is when you are aiming for your scum partner lynched to get towncred.

Maybe this is just a semantic argument, but w/e.
I don't think that was simple distancing.

I'm confused. I don't think you're quite comprehending Desp's point.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 2.1

https://goo.gl/forms/NAerUQoMa2jNAZyw1

More people should take the quiz
Only 3 responses! Currently Nacho is in the lead.

MariaR

(2): Pine, Desperado

Nachomamma8

(2): Firebringer, gerryoat

Pine

(2): MariaR, Nachomamma8

Desperado

(1): Ser Arthur Dayne

Zachstralkita

(1): Andrius

Not Voting

(7): drealmerz7, Zachstralkita, SlySly, Nosferatu, McMenno, Toogeloo, Tammy

15 players, 8 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-17 19:57:00)

[Nachomamma8]

If you're voting a partner, which situation is preferable?

1) Town lynch a townie while you're bussing the shit out of your partner.
2) Town lynch your partner while you're bussing the shit out of your partner.

[MariaR]

Gerry I think nacho is town because I like the post's he's amde I haven't seen anything that pinged me as scummy plus I trust tammy's judgement on top of that he seems to be acting the same in the game he was a mason in and I was scum

[Desperado]

Gerry I think nacho is town because I like the post's he's amde I haven't seen anything that pinged me as scummy plus I trust tammy's judgement on top of that he seems to be acting the same in the game he was a mason in and I was scum

My uncertainties on Nacho stem from not recognizing the meta argument against Creature and not acknowledging some of Gerry's flail that looked kinda townish. The argument against Creature was based on some meta that he acted differently when town, but that wasn't acknowledged, so I wanted to look into that more. His push against Gerry was pretty strong and I wasn't sure if it was him being stubborn against someone who made a claim that was most likely complete bullshit and that made him scum when some of his antics looked kinda town. But Nacho can be stubborn sometimes as town too, so that's something I wanted to talk a little bit more about with him to get a feel for where his head is at.

??????????????????????????

[Firebringer]

If you're voting a partner, which situation is preferable?

1) Town lynch a townie while you're bussing the shit out of your partner.
2) Town lynch your partner while you're bussing the shit out of your partner.

kind of loaded question.

1 creates distance the second is a buss.
Doesn't take into account lots of factors that could be in the game at any point.

Sometimes distancing/bussing is good, sometimes its not.

I am pretty sure i understood his point, i just don't think it happened that way, but this speculation is kind of useless tbh.

[MariaR]

Gerry I think nacho is town because I like the post's he's amde I haven't seen anything that pinged me as scummy plus I trust tammy's judgement on top of that he seems to be acting the same in the game he was a mason in and I was scum

My uncertainties on Nacho stem from not recognizing the meta argument against Creature and not acknowledging some of Gerry's flail that looked kinda townish. The argument against Creature was based on some meta that he acted differently when town, but that wasn't acknowledged, so I wanted to look into that more. His push against Gerry was pretty strong and I wasn't sure if it was him being stubborn against someone who made a claim that was most likely complete bullshit and that made him scum when some of his antics looked kinda town. But Nacho can be stubborn sometimes as town too, so that's something I wanted to talk a little bit more about with him to get a feel for where his head is at.

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What's the question marks for?

[Firebringer]

because tammy said she was unsure of nacho and you are saying she was sure of nacho basically.