Mini Normal 1839 - Game Over!

ironstove · Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:33 am

This game is going to go to NL.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:41 am

Math blade also no lynched.

I agree that it is Nero + 1 in Sara Lowell penguin or math

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:42 am

I have a long flame post I wrote while night was out I'm gonna a paste it here so I can get banned from this game

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:43 am

Alright you know what nevermind, but I'm just gonna say I have been saying to Lynch thor since d1 and if fa didn't flip tracker I'm pretty sure town would have lost this game because you would have lynched me next after I was still pushing for a thor Lynch knowing that was a fake claim

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:45 am

I am most suspicious of Lowell, karnos.

Him saying he would come back to hammer thor, yet he returned multiple times and didn't hammer until finally 4 hrs before eod that claims and Lowell finally had an excuse to not Lynch his encryptor

Lowell has been playing like scared bitch scum this entire game and he deserves rope

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:49 am

In post 1388, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1382, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1380, karnos wrote:
In post 1378, Nero Cain wrote:@Karnos why did you feel we needed to end the day?
are you kidding? been trying to lynch this scum since day one. not going to slowplay it and risk someone getting cold feet.
That means shit. In 1800 I bussed you the entire time and practically taught you my bussing strategy so you know this is a flawed argument and you bring it up why?
I still expect an answer.

Why are you still trying to lead? You literally no lynched on d2 and gullible you ate up a bullshit tracker claim despite the scummy contradiction and situations I. E. No time for anyone to counter claim, and also previous statement that he wouldn't claim.

You're not playing well, sit in the back and be quiet if you're town because if fa didn't flip tracker you would have lynched myself or karnos today I GUARANTEE IT.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:51 am

I am definitely split between last scum in Sara or Lowell, it is really hard to narrow down, Lowell's play has been so poor and anti town I can't believe a real town player is responsible for it yet I can also believe I saw that stupid weak bus attempt from Saru when he built a case on thor yet at d2 he was parking his vote on lowell

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:55 am

In post 1393, ironstove wrote:
In post 1388, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1382, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1380, karnos wrote:
In post 1378, Nero Cain wrote:@Karnos why did you feel we needed to end the day?
are you kidding? been trying to lynch this scum since day one. not going to slowplay it and risk someone getting cold feet.
That means shit. In 1800 I bussed you the entire time and practically taught you my bussing strategy so you know this is a flawed argument and you bring it up why?
I still expect an answer.
Why are you still trying to lead? You literally no lynched on d2 and gullible you ate up a bullshit tracker claim despite the scummy contradiction and situations I. E. No time for anyone to counter claim, and also previous statement that he wouldn't claim.

You're not playing well, sit in the back and be quiet if you're town because if fa didn't flip tracker you would have lynched myself or karnos today I GUARANTEE IT.

Like use ur brain if u have one to exercise a little critical thinking you made like 3 negative EV plays for town in a row and then you're really trying to fos karnos? Karnos is practically confirmed town at this point if you actually read this game including myself and I would have said Aron if he wasn't dead

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:56 am

In post 1396, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1394, ironstove wrote:I am definitely split between last scum in Sara or Lowell, it is really hard to narrow down, Lowell's play has been so poor and anti town I can't believe a real town player is responsible for it yet I can also believe I saw that stupid weak bus attempt from Saru when he built a case on thor yet at d2 he was parking his vote on lowell
Last scum?

Thor - Saru/Lowell + ?

At work gtg but will read later.

This post confirmed for me that you didn't read this game thread when you joined and you're still not reading it now.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:58 am

Honestly players like you math are the most toxic element in mafia scum because you act and play like you have read all of the information to make decisions and have an impact but in reality you are like one of those ppl that get their news from Yahoo Frontpage yet you feel knowledgeable enough to argue about world issues with others and leave people like me astounded and angry and wondering where you get the idea that it is OK to open your mouth

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:02 am

Like am so fucking pissed off that town no lynched on d2, I don't care what the circumstances were for that last minute claim, even if he was really tracker he fucking deserves to die for doing that claim 4 hrs before eod and I specifically said to Lynch to avoid that scenario. I know between math and Lowell at least one if not both is town and that town's play has enraged me because they are both acting like they're playing well when their play has almost coated town the game from their D2

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:05 am

I tried being nice about this at d2 to push people to Lynch and explain why it is actually worse to no lynch than Lynch a town when a mislynch is available but people don't listen because they act like they're too fucking good at this game.

Like I don't FUCKING care if I get mod replaced I have already won fmpov it's these fucking shitty town players who are fucking idiots and can't fucking play the game correctly by listening to reason because they're so fucking obsessed with their conf bias and are basically more concerned with their egos than winning

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:31 am

I didn't screw up because the thor Nero Lynch wasn't happening. Yes it was an error in the sense that town was lynched but it solidified my scum read on Nero and thor.

I just said it is still the better play to Lynch someone you think is town than no lynch in the situation that a mislynch is available and people still chose to nl

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:31 am

So you are saying I'm neros partner bji?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:33 am

Before you even bring up the topic of whether or not I'm scum ask yourself looking through my iso and d1 and d2 if it makes any sense that I would flip in a thor Nero team.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:34 am

No lynching is honestly one of the worst plays you can do in a mislynch scenario barring the possibility of a save happening from a pr which we had no evidence to believe was a possibility

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:37 am

Like I'll admit I'm not the best at explaining why someone is a scum read because a lot of it comes down to analyzing syntax and actions in past games so it really sounds ridiculous when I say in their scum game they changed vote actions 46 times but in their town game they made 16 actions as one of the elements in their scum read, so I don't bother mentioning it all I can try to do is look for reasons in their current game to help illustrate my reads

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:59 am

If you say so VOTE: math

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:59 am

Yea, I apologize I was out of line.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:57 am

10 -> 8 -> 6

So we have 2 mislynches, let's just lynch nero and go next.

I"m pretty sure the guy is scum, he's 100% scum FMPOV now that thor has flipped

Mathblade is cleared so the last scum if nero flips is in {lowell, saru, penguin}.

I'm leaning towards saru/penguin right now.

I'm pretty sure bji is town as well now that I went back and saw the train that nero/thor/penguin ran on bji.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:57 am

We're not lynching karnos, you have to be fucking kidding me.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:58 am

VOTE: Nero

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:59 am

In post 1443, karnos wrote:Nero was a lot more active when he was town in a previous game. Seems like he isn't doing much. But I still don't see why scum!nero would draw attention to the fact that he wasn't hammering Thor, unless that was just a play to create more WIFOM debates.

Town nero and scum nero are closely identical activity wise, and action wise, the real alignment indicator FMPOV boils down to content and this game looks like scum nero.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:04 am

Hmm nevermind it looks like mod made an error.

We actually have 8 players left in this game, not 9.

In reality, we have 1 mislynch, then we are in mylo, and we are in mylo because town refused to lynch thor.

Had we lynched thor on D2, we would have had 9 players going into D3, and today, D4 would have 7 and it would be lylo today had we not lynched any scum prior.

Great work gang.

Also, math not sure WTF you're talking about saying NL was optimal in here.

Also, lynching who you think is town rather than NL IS still better because it gives you information while NL gives you 0 information in terms of associations, interactions, and votes and allows scum to pick their target.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:34 am

8 players, 2 of which are scum, so tomorrow will be 4 players and 2 scum if we don't lynch sum today, that's MYLO.

Also, I never said LYLO.

And also, NERO IS OBVIOUS SCUM, SO LYNCH NERO HOLY GOD.

Karnos clearly said he hammered thor so that people couldn't form resistance to stop his lynch again like they did on D1 and D2. Karnos and I have been trying to lynch thor the entire game and you have been standing in our way the entire time. Today you receive the rope, and if you're town you clearly need to learn to play better because this is well-deserved for also allowing a NL to happen.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:35 am

I swear to god if nero is not lynched today I'm putting you on my ongoing 'worst town players you could ever get' list that i plan to publish later on next year.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:45 am

In post 1459, MathBlade wrote:You might just be scum ironstone.

Wow that post was horrible.
Nero is obvtown.

HOLY HELL YOU'RE SO FUCKING BASDGHDASGHASDKJGHKLD;SA;HWEGHSoihgHOGI[WAEHOan

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:45 am

*CENSORED*

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:54 am

In post 1465, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1461, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1383, Foxbird wrote:Thor665 (6) - MathBlade, aronagrundy, PenguinPower, Saru, bji, karnos (LYNCH!)
like do you really think scum would pass up the opportunity to hard bus and get town cred here?

There's scum within PP, Saru, BJ and Karnos.

If I were to guess it would be PP and Karnos.
No PP is town and so is Saru.

Karnos is likely scum for that horrible day end hammer that didn't let us partner hunt.

What do you mean we can't partner hunt? What exactly are we doing RIGHT NOW?!?!?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:55 am

TFW confirmed town is on the opposite page as you and believes you were bussing scum since D1

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:57 am

In post 1468, Nero Cain wrote:I can dig a Iron + Karnos team

Oh, that's a surprise.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:01 am

In post 1470, ironstove wrote:TFW confirmed town is on the opposite page as you and believes you were bussing scum since D1

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:15 am

You guys are voting for karnos because he quick hammered even though thor was confirmed scum? That's your reasoning for why he's scum?

Not only is this incredibly weak logic and reasoning, but people who are believing it or say they believe it are hilarious really.

Ok, this game drove me over the hill. I'm over it.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:16 am

You can read back on D1 and D2 to determine that Karnos and Thor were not on the same team.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:16 am

If someone else votes karnos, I will immediately hammer because I'm over this game.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:17 am

None of you are listening to any reason, and presuming a quick hammer means a person = scum, that indicator is so strong that you believe it good enough to disregard all previous days posts and interactions and votes, then please immediately blitz me after I quick hammer today.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:18 am

I'm hard claiming scum. Me and karnos are the team. LYNCH US BOTH. You're all too smart.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:18 am

In post 1484, ironstove wrote:I'm hard claiming scum. Me and karnos are the team. LYNCH US BOTH. You're all too smart.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:19 am

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:22 am

In post 1399, ironstove wrote:Honestly players like you math are the most toxic element in mafia scum because you act and play like you have read all of the information to make decisions and have an impact but in reality you are like one of those ppl that get their news from Yahoo Frontpage yet you feel knowledgeable enough to argue about world issues with others and leave people like me astounded and angry and wondering where you get the idea that it is OK to open your mouth

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:25 am

In post 1489, MathBlade wrote:So I take it you concede?

Or is this a joke?

Again if you think karnos is town make an argument.

No, I'm being serious. I thought I could fool you, but tbh I can't handle the pressure, you cracked the game wide open.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:29 am

In post 1474, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: karnos

Breaking my heart.

Why is it breaking your heart?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:33 am

Too bad math doesn't read so he doesn't know what the rules to follow are lul.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:02 pm

In post 1548, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1546, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1543, PenguinPower wrote:Like, if I'm scum, I literally brought to your attention that I was the only one who could be scum.

Good job, PP. You are awesome at playing against wincon!
Yes. Because I was asking Karnos I was going to get to who was in the D3 spot. It'd come out regardless. Trying for townie points me thinks.
Ugh...I'm going to have a stove-tantrum.

So far, scum!me has:

1.) Openly stated that scum!Thor was his strongest town read
2.) Refused to lynch his strongest town lynch participating in causing a no lynch and calling attention to myself.
3.) Called myself out as part of the neighborhood when I could have refuted karnos' claim given he was scum read and I was townread.
3.) Afterwards, verbally vomited the neighborhood information, clarifying to scum!me's detriment, incorrect statements by MB that I could easily refute.

Why would scum!me do this? Answer this.

All of it for town cred.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:43 pm

If you're going to continue talking about lynching karnos then lynch me first because you literally have not read anything in this game.

Scum is Saru 100%, I am almost sure about Nero but I'll revisit and rebuild the case as well.

I hate building cases, it's tedious and I feel like I'm doing the work that other people should be doing, but let me hold your hand and explain everything for you on why Karnos is town.

Like I don't want to go through every single post but 389 ,392 , 411, 418,

pretty much clearly draw a line of who karnos is in this game. These are not scum motivated posts, and not posts that feel like a scum!karnos would make.

Then regarding saru, the posts I highlighted above make him look relatively scummy until : 515, 519, and 662.

These posts are super towny, at least I thought up until the point that thor flipped encryptor. I imagine it's possible that Saru received some coaching from daychat to formulate the posts I wrote above. I say this because Saru has remained extremely inconsistent. He says he's left handed but still writes with his right.

like 673, he indicates that KnightyKnight is a scum read despite the fact that knight's vote is parked on the Thor slot. Interesting that Saru says in 662 'I am almost certain that Thor is scum' and in the following post tries to FOS someone who is voting someone who voting a slot whom 'he is almost certain is scum'. Clearly a major slip here.

Major actions on why nero/saru are most likely scum this game:

1. Nero pushing the heavy mal lynch, off of his partners saru and thor. Yet he knows this is a slot that can't claim, we're lynching this slot for inactivity... Incredibly scummy wagon, yet he calls out karnos as scummy for voting thor with no chance for town to discuss even though we're discussing right now, so what's the issue? My belief is that this was because thor/saru are the PRs, like thor is obviously encryptor, but saru has to be roleblocker at this point.

Nero also made 772 which I would say clears penguin if nero flips scum, and implicates saru further.

2. Saru indicating 662 which was made sense up until it came time to stand by his words, he parked his vote on lowel, who was neither knightyknight, or thor, when thor was in hammer range. I.e. 1260 he says giving intent to hammer and he returns and doesn't hammer. Thor follows in with a scummy tracker claim and then saru makes this disgusting post in 1339 trying to pin the nl on lowell, when his inaction caused the result as well, using the tracker claim as an excuse LOL.

Now we're here in D4, nero is trying to ML karnos saying the quickhammer killed town discussion and disallowed scum hunting. This is a bullshit excuse and those of you that are buying it are fools because quick hammering in that situation DOES NOTHING but stop THOR WHO HAS AVOIDED BEING THE LYNCH FOR 2 DAYS IN A ROW FROM GETTING AWAY A 3RD DAY. AND WE CAN EASILY SCUM HUNT THE FOLLOWING DAY.

In all seriousness, please explain to me 1 reason why quick hammering there is so bad? What could we have done then that we can't do today? NOTHING.

So I say lynch between {saru, nero}, if either one flips town, we need to reassess the {lowell, penguin} pool, but at this point, town are in {bji, karnos, math}

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:47 pm

All I'm saying is that nothing is a stronger indicator of scum to me than saying 'I have a very, very strong scum read on X' but when it comes time to hammer X you stall and delay for and try to find a way out of it like Saru did.

Then nero's logic for trying to lynch town applies to himself and the mislynch he led on mal, but he's conveniently forgotten about it, how is it not scummy to suggest a lynch on someone who has been AFK from the game and won't claim before hammer? What if we hammered our doctor or cop? I'm sure nero would have been fine with that. I wasn't, I tried to fight the lynch, but it was the only lynch happening so my thought process was "I would rather mislynch the cop so I can build a case tomorrow on nero, than have a no lynch and have no information to go on the following day", so I bit.

Nero refused karnos' suggestion on mal 'Why don't you just let him live today and see if he replaces out? You refused to lynch the tracer slot (Who is now thor, surprise surprise?) for being AFK, yet you want to lynch mal rather than letting him veg till he's replaced and without a chance to claim?'

To this nero said mal was active in other games, but still couldn't justify why it was better to lynch than let the guy veg another day and be replaced. If he prod-dodged then we would have then seriously taken into consideration lynching mal, but wasting D1 lynch on him only confirmed FMPOV that the thor wagon was real scum, and that nero was real scum protecting his PR partner.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:49 pm

In post 1554, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1552, PenguinPower wrote:Ugh...I'm done. I've made my points...your vote and logic are bad. Like, bad bad.

I agree that one of me and karnos is scum. Karnos is scum, and flipping him will give us one more mislynch to find the remaining Lynch me, and then you will be lynching karnos and have no buffer to find the remaining.

The rest of the town can decide now. I've made my case.
That is quite possible but my sister Titus gave me some advice of listen to your town reads. Stove was a tow lock before I pushed Karnos so I have calmed down and gave it a shot from a different angle.

One of you and Karnos is scum and the Arona kill N3 makes it much more likely it is you.

You're honestly doing nothing but trying to lynch town, and it's scummy as fuck.

I already said that the biggest suspect of flipping scum is nero, followed by saru/lowell.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:50 pm

I believe it's more saru than lowell now at this point because Saru has tried to create a case on lowell citing reasons which also apply to himself, he's called lowell out for some scummy behavior that he himself does, so that's a big slip IMO that needs to be explored.

We also get TREMENDOUS information from lynching nero at this point in the game from the amount of posts he has with other players. I personally believe that Saru is the PR and nero is a weaker PR or goon, but lynching NERO, even if he somehow flips town will result in us finding the real scum.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:50 pm

If you're going to lynch anyone, you lynch the person who gives the MOST information + is MOST likely scum if you have a mislynch, and that's NERO or SARU.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:51 pm

Yea, I'm actually totally indifferent at this point who we lynch between those two, like lynch either.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:53 pm

How can you guys be lynching thor for a quick hammer that literally made 0 impact on the game 'because quick hammer is so scummy omg'

Yet you're all totally ignoring the mal mislynch, the stall on thor's hammer, the obvious inconsistency in voting, and the other minor slips that all add up to a much stronger case? Karnos has literally done nothing scummy this entire game besides seem lurky, but activity is hardly a reason to lynch him over other players whose ACTIONS have said more to their alignment than their activity has.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:56 pm

Or lynch ME if you're going to continue talking about lynching karnos because I don't want to be in this game anymore. I'M FUCKING OVER IT. If after that fucking wall of text I wrote above which DRAINED ME, you're still going to think like a bunch of mongs 'DURRR, NERO RIGHT! QUICK HAMMER MUS BE SCUM!! MISLYNCH AFK NOT SCUM!' There is seriously something wrong with all of you, or maybe it's me, but I just can't mesh on this site. I feel like I'm talking to a wall with some people on here.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:57 pm

In post 1562, PenguinPower wrote:@IS: Scum is 100% Saru and almost sure Nero. Yet vote is on Nero.

Yea, my 2 major scum reads either of which I'm happy to lynch and you're seriously calling me out for this LOL.

See, that stuff above? This is exactly what I'm talking about, you missed the ENTIRE BODY OF MY MESSAGE.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:04 pm

Yea, I was 100% sure on nero as well, but Karnos somehow thinks that nero is town which doesn't make any sense to me. I need karnos to explain that. So nero went from 100% scum to 95% scum.

Saru went from 95% scum, to 100% scum.

I'm still confident enough in both reads to vote either, but you know what I want to know? Why do you care???

Like, seirously penguin? Why is that the one thing that sticks out to you? I'd view this as a minor detail, but it seems like you're really bothered by the fact that I'm voting Nero and not Saru. Like, you REALLY, REALLY want me to be voting Saru instead of nero to be calling me out on that post, like rather than refuting or discussing any of the points I made, the first thing you post to me is "Why are you voting Saru?"

So this makes me very curious. So curious in fact that now I want to keep my vote on Nero for the rest of today and see what he flips of the lynch goes through. And if you're scum reading me for voting for the person I'm currently 95% sure is scum rather than the person I'm 100% sure is scum, then PLEASE, vote for me. LIKE I'M BEGGING YOU TO VOTE FOR ME IF THAT'S THE REASON YOU SCUM READ ME.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:06 pm

Why is karnos scum?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:06 pm

Yea, this is EXACTLY why I NEVER bother to write out my cases to people, because people who don't already see what I see aren't going to see it even if I spell it out for them in a giant post.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:08 pm

I read your entire ISO and I didn't see a compelling reason on why you are scum reading karnos let alone voting for him over Nero, so I'd like you to just give me a brief recap on why you're scum reading karnos, and ignoring my reasons for scum reading nero.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:11 pm

So you care that I'm voting for nero because you want me to actually be voting for karnos, but if that's the case, then why did you ask me:

In post 1562, PenguinPower wrote:@IS: Scum is 100% Saru and almost sure Nero. Yet vote is on Nero.

This sounds like you wanted me to be voting saru, but now it just sounds like you wanted me to not be voting nero.

Why didn't you ask me in 1562 to vote karnos?

And now you're asking me to vote karnos right now after I ask you why not nero? Then I ask you to explain and you're saying "I refuse go look at my ISO" and also ignoring my other questions. What gives penguin? IS it because you're scum?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:14 pm

Alright, nevermind the scum are {Nero, Penguin} I'm really dumb.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:19 pm

In post 1576, PenguinPower wrote:Then you didn't actually read it.

hmmm.... trying to regurgitate what I said? lul.

In post 1579, PenguinPower wrote:1. My comment on your Saru vote while throwing shade at Nero is potentially scummy given an IS/Nero team. You should always vote your top scum read.
2. Why would I? That had nothing to do with what I was trying to convey.
3. Because I think karnos is scum...I just looked at my ISO, and my reason is readily available in the post ~1400ish. So, yeah, you go find it.

1400ish? Which specifically? 1471, 1495, or 1496? You have 3 posts in the 1400 range, it wasn't hard for me to read them, and BTW I read your posts from your first all the way up to post 800 while I was going through Saru/Nero already, and I read you back all the way again to post 1100 so IDK what you are talking about.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:20 pm

In post 1581, ironstove wrote:1. My comment on your Saru vote while throwing shade at Nero is potentially scummy given an IS/Nero team. You should always vote your top scum read.

I should always vote my top scum read, yet you were voting me earlier for doing just that... I voted my top scum read... Thor, then you said I'm scummy for it. LOL. Man, why did I town read you for so long, I'll never know but I need to read through this game carefully after it is done to figure out how I missed your scum!penguin.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:21 pm

In post 1580, PenguinPower wrote:Ah, yes, you are really dumb.

Nice panic reaction post. Come on, penguin you can do better than that to make me town read you, you were doing it for so long WTF???

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:22 pm

VOTE: PenguinPower

Actually, I'd love to see first if you're really scum or just bad town. This will give me something to talk about for the rest of the game.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:23 pm

Well, that was a typo I was referring to 1474

So which of the 3 were you referring to? 1474?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:24 pm

I think at this point you're the only person who is stupid enough to try to scum read me, I'm basically conf town at this point so much in fact, I might as well be mod confirmed as another innocent child.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:34 pm

Hehe. Ok.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:34 pm

I think if you had just bussed nero, you would have won this game, actually.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:46 pm

Karnos, are you ignoring the entirety of the neighborhood thread and the innocent child claim? Are you totes scum? Can you please go and re-read the neighborhood thread and the child claim? Thanks!

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:49 pm

If I lynch karnos and he flips town, will you follow me like a good sheep?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:51 pm

Math's reads were off, he also allowed a NL when we had the opportunity to hammer thor which could have potentially saved us a PR today and he still tried to defend his play as being pro-town, so there was reason for suspicion, even if he tried to soft a PR, none of us were going to believe he was IC unless he was mod-confirmed.

You also realize with IC in the game we now have 4 town PRs in a 13 person game, right?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:06 pm

In post 1601, PenguinPower wrote:BS, karnos. Oh, and you know it.

p-edit

If karnos flips town, I'll do whatever you say because that's not going to happen.

Why aren't you sheeping me after thor flipped scum and I said he was scum the entire game?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:08 pm

Karnos, why are you scum reading nero again? You were town reading him earlier when the day started, and you were also scum reading him prior to nightfall. What's going on?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:10 pm

Penguin is literally in panic mode and trying to deflect LOL. I would honestly just ignore him at this point because he's confscum.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:11 pm

I'm sorry, why does aron think nero is conf!town after thor flipped scum? Nero was fighting a thor lynch the entire game....

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:20 pm

Penguin, do you think thor is still town?

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:20 pm

Is he still your strongest town read? LOL.

ironstove · Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:05 pm

VOTE: Nero

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:25 am

Penguin give me your scum team, if you flip town I'll seriously consider a karnos scum but the way this game has played out that makes utterly no sense fmpov

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:25 am

Inb4 Nero quick hammers Lul

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:26 am

BTW I'm a PR. But I haven't and don't plan to use my power tonight either.

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:29 am

In post 1459, MathBlade wrote:You might just be scum ironstone.

Wow that post was horrible. Nero is obvtown.

Why is Nero obvious town??????

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:30 am

In post 1640, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1638, ironstove wrote:BTW I'm a PR. But I haven't and don't plan to use my power tonight either.
So you are scum claiming? No way there are 5 PRs for town in a 10 town game.

If I'm not a PR then you quit this site forever???

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:33 am

I'm town claiming and if you really think I'm scum then Lynch me, I'm making my claim now because I'd rather do it before the flip and going in tomorrow incase it is my mylo to clear myself.

I'll hard claim if I see a benefit but rn I don't.

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:34 am

Yes I have a crumb all the way from d1 to back my story but I doubt you'll find it unless I quote it

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:35 am

I already told you if I am a pr you quit this site forever and if not then I'll quit. If you won't accept my terms then stop questioning me

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:41 am

BTW why are we lynching penguin instead of Nero????

I'm not threatening you, did I say I want to struggle you and grind your skull up to make into a stew? No. I was offering a wager to show you how I am not bsing

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:46 am

In post 1642, karnos wrote:Maybe a negative utility PR?

Yes, arguably so because I need to be die for it to work and I want to stay in the game

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:47 am

Fucking auto correct on my phone lmao

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:48 am

Hint hint mafia don't kill me unless you're retarded

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:50 am

In post 1659, Lowell wrote:I'm here. Briefly, since I'm running to a meeting (and am old). I agree with Math's 1550 in response to penguin's "why would I do this" post, for the reasons he stated. After that we can sort it out, but I'm relatively sure iron and saru are town. I lean town on bji, and I'm not quite seeing the nero case yet. My guess is the other is Karnos. I'll check in on this once more this evening if I can, and then tomorrow.

VOTE: penguin

I would strongly prefer lynching Nero over penguin because Nero exists in more possible scum teams while penguin is only in one of Nero penguin

But there is also Nero Saru, Nero Lowell,

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:17 am

Explain why claiming a pr is beneficial to town besides satisfying you own selfish reasons? And I will actually consider it if you can prove my hard claiming is a higher value play than not revealing my role. (You cant)

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:18 am

With that said also explain as Lowell pointed out why as scum I would even bother with this move if everyone was already town reading me? (again, you can't)

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:20 am

In post 1665, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1663, Lowell wrote:Also I don't think we need a full claim from iron, fwiw. Feels like doing scum's job for them, whereas right now they have to guess. And if this is a scum gambit, who cares, he could as easily fakeclaim a whole role as a partial one.
Yes we do and I do not support a Nero lynch.

Why are you voting for penguin but not Nero? Why is penguin scum fmpov? The karnos push? Nero made a karnos push for the same reasons.

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:24 am

I already indicated multiple times that the Nero scum is extremely likely if thors flip was scum, and I also don't like how easy this penguin wagon has picked up momentum while there is still strong, unexplained resistance to the Nero vote.

The moment I changed my vote to Nero, so many of you immediately jumped on glad to be a part of it. Why is penguin scum and why is Nero town? That's the question I ask those of you pushing to Lynch penguin today

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:17 am

In post 1677, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1671, ironstove wrote:Explain why claiming a pr is beneficial to town besides satisfying you own selfish reasons? And I will actually consider it if you can prove my hard claiming is a higher value play than not revealing my role. (You cant)
Because if you are conf town then you die and one of us into one scum hunting/MyLO with power of hammer.

The idea of you getting hammer and leading town doesn't seem like +EV

You town read the encryptor and forced us to no lynch, you haven't done anything this game for me to trust your decision making, sorry.

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:31 am

Penguin might be town. I am more certain that Nero is scum than penguin being town, his reads could really be off this game.

Can we please vote on Nero? I'm still waiting for people to explain why penguin is a better Lynch than Nero, the evidence against Nero is stronger against him than penguin

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:22 pm

Look back at the way I've played and decide if you think I'm scum, ignoring the claim today and if you think I'm scum then lynch me, it's that simple.

I'm voting for nero, end of story.

ironstove · Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:23 pm

Even if I were to claim a full role, there is no way for you to confirm if what I'm telling you is the truth because as I said, I have no results to report or way to verify myself besides a crumb I laid out D1 so we'd be back to square 1 anyway.

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:44 am

UNVOTE:

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:01 am

Penguin if karnos is town who do you think is the remaining scum and why?

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:03 am

Funny that you town read players for the same reasons I scum read them

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:12 am

I agree. Now would you please be willing to vote Nero so we can progress the game?

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:34 am

I already said I'm not claiming unless I see a reason I agree with

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:21 am

nero
penguin
saru
lowell
bji/karnos

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:41 pm

lowell why do you think nero is town ?

what has he specifically done that makes you refuse to lynch him?

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:41 pm

At this point, I'm pretty sure penguin is town.

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:52 pm

I'm also pretty sure still that nero is scum. Would like to lynch nero if we have a mislynch, then this is where we should use it, lynch the person that you're not sure about because in mylo/lylo you want to lynch the person you're pretty sure is scum.

(I'm pretty sure he's scum but the rest of you 'seem' to be uncertain).

ironstove · Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:06 pm

How easy it is to lynch penguin and how quickly people jumped on board the penguin wagon. I'll revisit penguin if nero flips town.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:29 am

karnos, saru, lowell, please explain why your vote is on penguin and not on nero?

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:43 am

Ugh, I'm done, vote nero good bye.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:12 pm

so here's what's going to happen:

Mathblade is going to hammer penguin

Penguin is going to flip town

Mathblade is going to die

Then I'm going to tell all of you to lynch nero

Nero will flip maifa

Then I will die

Unfortunately, wasting the mislynch on someone who was clearly town and having me dead will result in town being a wash so we will lose this game.

The end.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:13 pm

Karnos might be scum, actually. Karnos/Nero.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:14 pm

I think you should still hammer rather than no lynch because flipping penguin grants more information than it removes.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:15 pm

Karnos = scum based on his unwillingness to lynch nero, despite stating nero is a scum read + his sudden flipping LOL. Pretty ridiculous. He's had pretty clean play up till the penguin flip. Interesting.

Can't wait to see who is scum this game....

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:12 pm

Penguin is going to flip town... That flailing is a town tell, but please hammer away I would love to see myself proven wrong. BTW I will hammer if you don't at this point because I'd rather see a lynch go through than no lynch and I admit myself that there is always room for error, maybe my read of the penguin slot is wrong, but I really don't think so. He seems very town at this point, and now that I think about it, his butting heads with me over thor was something a town player was more likely to do than scum due to how bad it would make him look later on (like right now).

I really don't like how karnos has flipped his vote to penguin and has kept it there despite stating he will vote nero and now he's intentionally gone AFK to let the penguin mislynch go through. I say I think it's a mislynch but who knows, maybe he will flip scum. Would really be pleasantly surprised at this point to be wrong and be the person in this game with bad reads for once.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:15 pm

idk how everyone is town reading nero, he's really fucking scummy.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:16 pm

Oh wait, nevermind we have 10 days, yea I'm not going to hammer... We really should be lynching nero. I think you should lynch nero MB. Lowell, Karnos, or Saru whichever of those are town need to switch over to nero.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:17 pm

Don't hammer mathblade, we still have time to discuss why nero is the better lynch.

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:19 pm

Look at nero's ISO, the guy never has a scum read on penguin but he is voting penguin.

Nero, because I'm curious, if penguin flips town are you still going to scum read karnos? Who is your scum team if karnos flips town?

ironstove · Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:19 pm

I mean penguin flips town.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:42 pm

In post 1896, MathBlade wrote:Nero+Saru is a possible team on paper.

Stove let's assume Nero flips town who is the scum team?

Good question.

I'm not sure.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:44 pm

If it happens then I'll give you a serious answer, because Nero flipping town goes against my entire understanding of the game and anything I say at this point would be something I pulled out of my ass. But seriously, if he flips town I will have a long look through the game.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:39 pm

Karnos keeps saying he thinks nero is scum, but keeps driving the wagon off nero.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:39 pm

*attempting to

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:40 pm

I want nero lynched now more than ever.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:51 pm

In post 1913, karnos wrote:More seriously, Iron:

Are too lazy to read it at this point, or did you read my Lowell case and you think he is town despite it?

Did you read my 1558 to 1561 ????

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 4:59 pm

In post 1917, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1909, ironstove wrote:Karnos keeps saying he thinks nero is scum, but keeps driving the wagon off nero.
So are you saying that its a me + Karnos team? Do you think scumKarnos would be above attempting to manipulate you on my lynch? Whst do you think of my 1866?

I thought that post was kind of a stretch as far as reasoning on why the scum team is karnos/penguin.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:39 pm

That aron would recruit both scum into the PT and even if he did, why them having day chat when they've already had day chat for pretty much the whole game should implicate that they're both scum. I'm not really seeing a reason behind that.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:41 pm

On top of that, it's all hypothetical theory that can't be falsified or checked until after the game, so it seems like a waste of time to even discuss it let alone push for why X and Y are a scum team.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:45 pm

In post 1917, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1909, ironstove wrote:Karnos keeps saying he thinks nero is scum, but keeps driving the wagon off nero.
So are you saying that its a me + Karnos team? Do you think scumKarnos would be above attempting to manipulate you on my lynch? Whst do you think of my 1866?

Btw, nice job coming to your partner's defense.

ironstove · Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:46 pm

I find it funny that karnos was voting for penguin when his top scum read, nero was also on the wagon lol. Very amusing.

ironstove · Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:58 am

In post 1930, Lowell wrote:prodge, weekends are bad. still would prefer penguin, but will catch up.

In post 1932, Saru wrote:Also prodge. Also prefer Penguin, but wouldn't cry over Nero. Also ew mobile posting. This shit is annoying. Never again.

Jesus christ, both of you are little shits who need to change your vote instead of coming into the thread to dodge prods, HOLY FUCK.

VOTE: SARU

ironstove · Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:58 am

HEY GUYS IMMA PRODGE AND I'M TOTALLY DOWN WITH VOTING NERO BUT LEMME JUST LEAVE MY VOTE SOMEWHERE ELSE AS I LEAVE FOR ANOTHER 2 DAYS UNTIL THE TIMER RUNS DOWN AND WE NL AGAIN.

ironstove · Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:15 pm

Assassinate nero

ironstove · Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:44 am

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