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[ironstove]

I read your entire ISO and I didn't see a compelling reason on why you are scum reading karnos let alone voting for him over Nero, so I'd like you to just give me a brief recap on why you're scum reading karnos, and ignoring my reasons for scum reading nero.

[PenguinPower]

Then you didn't actually read it.

[ironstove]

So you care that I'm voting for nero because you want me to actually be voting for karnos, but if that's the case, then why did you ask me:

@IS: Scum is 100% Saru and almost sure Nero. Yet vote is on Nero.

This sounds like you wanted me to be voting saru, but now it just sounds like you wanted me to not be voting nero.

Why didn't you ask me in 1562 to vote karnos?

And now you're asking me to vote karnos right now after I ask you why not nero? Then I ask you to explain and you're saying "I refuse go look at my ISO" and also ignoring my other questions. What gives penguin? IS it because you're scum?

[ironstove]

Alright, nevermind the scum are {Nero, Penguin} I'm really dumb.

[PenguinPower]

1. My comment on your Saru vote while throwing shade at Nero is potentially scummy given an IS/Nero team. You should always vote your top scum read.
2. Why would I? That had nothing to do with what I was trying to convey.
3. Because I think karnos is scum...I just looked at my ISO, and my reason is readily available in the post ~1400ish. So, yeah, you go find it.

[PenguinPower]

Ah, yes, you are really dumb.

[ironstove]

Then you didn't actually read it.

hmmm.... trying to regurgitate what I said? lul.

1. My comment on your Saru vote while throwing shade at Nero is potentially scummy given an IS/Nero team. You should always vote your top scum read.
2. Why would I? That had nothing to do with what I was trying to convey.
3. Because I think karnos is scum...I just looked at my ISO, and my reason is readily available in the post ~1400ish. So, yeah, you go find it.

1400ish? Which specifically? 1471, 1495, or 1496? You have 3 posts in the 1400 range, it wasn't hard for me to read them, and BTW I read your posts from your first all the way up to post 800 while I was going through Saru/Nero already, and I read you back all the way again to post 1100 so IDK what you are talking about.

[ironstove]

1. My comment on your Saru vote while throwing shade at Nero is potentially scummy given an IS/Nero team. You should always vote your top scum read.

I should always vote my top scum read, yet you were voting me earlier for doing just that... I voted my top scum read... Thor, then you said I'm scummy for it. LOL. Man, why did I town read you for so long, I'll never know but I need to read through this game carefully after it is done to figure out how I missed your scum!penguin.

[ironstove]

Ah, yes, you are really dumb.

Nice panic reaction post. Come on, penguin you can do better than that to make me town read you, you were doing it for so long WTF???

[PenguinPower]

1400ish? Which specifically? 1471, 1495, or 1496? You have 3 posts in the 1400 range, it wasn't hard for me to read them, and BTW I read your posts from your first all the way up to post 800 while I was going through Saru/Nero already, and I read you back all the way again to post 1100 so IDK what you are talking about.

So...1471 was your post? Which of those others talks about karnos? K...sweetheart.

[ironstove]

VOTE: PenguinPower

Actually, I'd love to see first if you're really scum or just bad town. This will give me something to talk about for the rest of the game.

[ironstove]

Well, that was a typo I was referring to 1474

So which of the 3 were you referring to? 1474?

[ironstove]

I think at this point you're the only person who is stupid enough to try to scum read me, I'm basically conf town at this point so much in fact, I might as well be mod confirmed as another innocent child.

[PenguinPower]

I should always vote my top scum read, yet you were voting me earlier for doing just that

I actually had a wall of reasons on D2...sorry for having reasons.

[PenguinPower]

Well, that was a typo I was referring to 1474

So which of the 3 were you referring to? 1474?

Well, jeez, Forest. Which one had reasons attached?

[PenguinPower]

I think at this point you're the only person who is stupid enough to try to scum read me, I'm basically conf town at this point so much in fact, I might as well be mod confirmed as another innocent child.

This is 凄い bad. Like. Wow.

[PenguinPower]

BTW...only cop-clears are conf!town.

[ironstove]

Hehe. Ok.

[ironstove]

I think if you had just bussed nero, you would have won this game, actually.

[PenguinPower]

You don't remember our newbie? Your method is great for scum. Waiting for that lylo, rage-hammer loss.

[karnos]

Very interesting turn of events.

I keep asking myself, "why is penguin suddenly scum reading me?"

If he is town, it just doesn't make much sense. His reasoning isn't anything new, so he should have been scum reading me all along based on it. Yet, just yesterday he was saying he would tunnel-vote me forever if Thor flipped town, so presumably the scum flip of Thor should make me more towny in his eyes, yet instead it seems to have had the opposite effect.

Now if he is scum, it *still* doesn't make a lot of sense, but I think I am seeing why this is happening. In 1431 I said

"I'm still pretty sure scum are among the nero:lowell:mathblade:saru pool. Lowell, assuming for the moment you are town, and mathblade is indeed confirmed IC, between nero and saru which one is most obvious scum?"

Shortly after that (1474) penguin voted me.

It was really puzzling me, why the turn, but I think I may have figured it out. My comment to Lowell was based on the idea that Lowell, whether scum or town, would never admit to being scum, so either way he was only going to admit to a scenario in which he was town. I wasn't town reading him, I just wanted to phrase my question in a way that he might give a useful response. But maybe Penguin thought I was, and he knew that his partner was among nero:saru pool, which meant we could lynch both, deal with taking one miss lynch, and then possibly lynch him, so he panicked and decided to try to push a wagon on me. It feels like a stretch because it is: I really thought penguin could be town this game, I just see zero town incentive to turn this day into a 1vs1 lynch situation when there were more likely scum to pick from.

Between nero and saru, which one would be penguin's partner?

[PenguinPower]

Lulz. karnos is ignoring the entirety of the neighborhood thread and the Innocent Child claim. Totes scum. This will be good post game.

[ironstove]

Karnos, are you ignoring the entirety of the neighborhood thread and the innocent child claim? Are you totes scum? Can you please go and re-read the neighborhood thread and the child claim? Thanks!

[PenguinPower]

Haha. IS and karnos. Calling it here. With a possibility of Lowell in place of derp!IS.

[karnos]

Lulz. karnos is ignoring the entirety of the neighborhood thread and the Innocent Child claim. Totes scum. This will be good post game.

So scum can easily fool you by hinting at being an IC, without invoking the power? I didn't ignore the role once it was mod confirmed, but I legit scum read MathBlade and I wasn't going to drop the case just because of a hint of a role.