Mini 1830 - Game Over

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:40 am

Eager changes nothing about this.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:19 am

No I am not. What are your reads TheJester?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:36 am

I'm voting CCC.

Fixed.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:05 pm

Okay, I'm gonna have to show you that this is my town play with real proof then, huh?

In post 678, Gamma Emerald wrote:RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNGH
I don't like this reads sharing portion at all. It feels rigged.

FOS: rb

FOS: Doom

I don't like where this is heading.

This was in response to the Jailkeeper asking for reads. I was a Vanilla Townie in that game. I suspected he could be trying to stay out of the lynch pool, so I called him out on it. That's right, I called out the (although I didn't know he was at the time) town PR because something felt off about what he was saying.
Also, House, when did Victor pass CCC in your scumreads?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:57 pm

No comment on my defense?
And I

really

you stating you were more suspicious of Victor than CCC at any point today.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:15 pm

I forgot about that one. Do you expect me to remember every single detail?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:47 pm

Well since you read the question, please answer it.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:50 pm

I'm not fully convinced you are scum, otherwise I'd be voting you for sure. However, you've done some questionable stuff, at least to me, so I FOSed you.
Now stop dodging the question: what happens when I flip green?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:51 pm

In post 1284, House wrote:Defiance of a position despite being ignorant of the details - I duh thee, The eager Tell.

Gamma, you have also done this.

I am not defying your scumread on Victor.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:54 pm

I won't vote for that reason, it's not super-scummy to not answer a question. Unless you are deliberately avoiding it.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:04 pm

Hm. I did notice he did whiteknight me once, and I think his interactions late Day 1 with Eager could be that of a scumbuddy. Since the CCC lynch is obviously not happening:
VOTE: Victor

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:21 pm

Whatever, go ahead and blow the town's chance at a perfect win. You are not a scumhunting god.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:39 pm

"Advise you"?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:45 pm

That wasn't accusing you of being scum. That was me saying you're not perfect, and we can't get a perfect win if you don't accept that.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:50 pm

I see what you are saying, and I guess I left out an important part of my statement.

In post 1294, Gamma Emerald wrote:Whatever, go ahead and blow the town's chance at a perfect
town
win. You are not a scumhunting god.

EBWOP

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:56 pm

Yeah I can sense the sarcasm there.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:58 pm

If you wanted to fool me, you should have unvoted.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:02 pm

My agenda is finding and lynching scum

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:06 pm

I can't be sure cuz I can't investigate. I'm feeling CCC or Victor though.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:09 pm

Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:13 pm

In post 1311, House wrote:
In post 1309, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can't be sure cuz I can't investigate. I'm feeling CCC or Victor though.
Where did the Victor scumread REALLY come from? Don't point at your failed reaction test. That post was reachy and bad.

Also, where did your suspicion of me go?

The scumread came from a re-ISO, which is how I almost always re-evaluate my reads. I still find some of your posts suspicious, but I'm giving you a pass. Half botd, half trusting your play.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:15 pm

In post 1312, House wrote:
In post 1310, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, I know you have invisible mode turned on. Why are you trying to hide?
It's been on since day one. Lol, keep on plugging away champ.

That was snark bro.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:30 pm

Spoiler:

In post 111, VictorDeAngelo wrote:I just noticed I missed a crucial 'not' from the last line of post 90.

In post 93, gerryoat wrote:I'm calling BS on anyone who gets a serious scumread 4 pages into a game, when most of it is just feeling out and partially random votes that have no meaning behind them. So, anyone who says they actually hard fos someone, is just someone trying actively to look like they are scumhunting, when in reality they aren't.
Nonsense, people can form scumreads from page 1. Why dismiss everything so far just because it's the early game? Better yet, at what point in the game are you allowed to start forming scumreads?

@CCC
- Can you give some other examples of Jester dodging questions?

I think Grendel is town but I don't agree with his Gamma scumread.

Gives a townread on me and Grendrl but doesn't explain. This could be an issue of default scum x-ray reads, where their reads come from their knowledge of who is who, and not any actual towntells.

In post 565, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
In post 348, House wrote:Also also... you haven't even interacted with CCC... Meeeehhhhhhh

Not a good look.
Why are you so concerned about Huntress interactions at this point?

In post 351, House wrote:
In post 349, Gamma Emerald wrote:You don't
have
to interact with someone to assess them.
You don't even know how Huntress came to that opinion, so why are you so quick to defend her?

Does she need your help?
You asked her about this before anyone else had the chance. And now you try to forge an associative link because Gamma essentially didn't repeat your question.

Also I /barn Gamma's original point here. You don't have to interact with something to assess them, particularly in this case.

In post 421, Square World wrote:don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join
Guy voting eagersnake doesn't want to lynch eagersnake. Worse, he also doesn't want to push a wagon but will join any going on about half the game. Any towniness I saw on Square just dissipated.

In post 429, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 343, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
In post 339, Huntress wrote:
In post 258, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Sorry, meant to have two parts to that post.
In post 254, Manuel87 wrote:I dont like how Square world playes but its not a reason to lynch him.
What i dont like about him right now is that he mentioned how eagers analysis on RhazhBash sucks.
While i think he has a valid point that its not really an analysis but rather a summary of what said player posted that game, i dont understand why he only refers to the RhazhBash analysis and not to the ones on Victor and Gerry.
I'm putting Manuel back into my "would lynch today" pile for this post.
Why is that?
I didn't like how he said he didn't like square's but wouldn't lynch for it, but then his reasons sounded more like valid reasons to lynch. To put it another way, I didn't see him thinking the second two lines but then coming to the conclusion in the first line.
I dont like his
playstyle
but i dont think thats a reason to lynch someone.
In my first game on this side i played with Not_Mafia who played similar to him. I said the same thing about NM and read him Null-Town the whole game because i could see some meaning in the stuff he did.
If in that game we would have done what Eager was pushing for this game we would have killed NM and probably lost the game.
The other 2 lines were simply what i thought was off about squares read on Eager. He didnt care about the 2 summaries of Victor and Gerry but reacted to the 3rd one on Rhazh.
While i think his argument is true it also applies to the other 2 "reads" from Eager.
Ok, I might have got this one wrong. You are now not in my "would lynch today" pile.

In post 442, House wrote:Day 1 lynch identified.

VOTE: CCC

House has shifted from one easy lynch to another. The case feels mostly like noobtells more than scumtells but I'll not comment further until I get a chance to read Newbie 1727 in more detail.

Second segment: whiteknights my statement.

In post 900, VictorDeAngelo wrote:I seem to be 13 pages behind, so this will be more of a catch up post than I suspected...

@House
You didn't answer this:

In post 565, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
In post 348, House wrote:Also also... you haven't even interacted with CCC... Meeeehhhhhhh

Not a good look.
Why are you so concerned about Huntress interactions at this point?
In fact I don't think you responded to anything in 565, which is odd.

In post 575, House wrote:
In post 572, gerryoat wrote:Okay so

@House

Yes, I like your case on CCC. But, I have to admit CCC has had great responses to your points, do you not think he might be town at all? Or at least rethinking your fos a bit?
I'm still happy with my vote, hence where it remains.

He's acting the same way he did in Arctic Mafia, buy the thing is, he SHOULD have improved since Arctic Mafia on some level if he had actually taken the advice he received.
Absolute crap. This is just a poor excuse for ignoring meta.

In post 600, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 403, Grendel wrote:So to finish up I'd like to hear your hypothetical scum team.
Manuel is throwing suspicion on Square, but not voting or FOS'ing. That makes me suspect a Manuel/Square scum team is a possibility.

VOTE: Square World
If your square read relies on Manuel being his buddy, why vote Square here, ahead of Manuel?

In post 614, eagerSnake wrote:VOTE: Manuel87

I'm lynching in Manuel and Square today. One or both are scum.
This vote is also OMGUS and the confidence here one Square seems completely unfounded.

I like CCC's 638. Snakes response in 642 doesn't fly with me at all.

In post 676, eagerSnake wrote:I have been leaning slightly scum on Gamma also, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today. He is, at the very least, responsive. I can't say that about everyone here.
Hmmm... If eager flips scum I would look closer at Gamma.

In post 679, gerryoat wrote:Why do you guys always post so much when I'm gone, and when I'm here, nothing gets posted. Alright I'm gonna do a reads list from towniest to scummiest

Town
Grendel
eagersnake
House
GammaEmerald
Manuel
The_Jester
CCC
VictorDeAngelo
Huntress
SquareWorld

VOTE: SquareWorld

I would prefer to lynch in my bottom 3, that's my prefrence. Nothing Square has said has really stood out to me. He tried to make a werid case on me that didn't make sense, and it seemed he backed off a bit when no one would follow.
Grendel, despite fosing me, I think is town for the reasons I stated earlier, he seems like he's actually scumhunting, and trying to find mafia. He also casted doubt on me when I first gave my TR on him, which imo is a TR. I wish he'd just see that I was town too. Eager has had good posts since the beginning and has been consistent the whole time, which I really like. House has really shot up my townread since subbing in. I don't think CCC is the best vote today, but I do like his case on him. But, I also like CCC's responses, so I would prefer not to vote him.
I don't like this A lot of talk about why people are townreads and yet next to nothing on his scumreads. He's happy to lynch either me or Huntress but doesn't want to say why. Feels like someone trying not get people on side and not rock the boat.

In post 680, gerryoat wrote:
In post 432, Square World wrote:gerryoat, are you an alt?
(filler, trying to cast more doubt on me the 2nd time after it didn't work the first time.)
Asking if your an alt is doubtcasting now.

In post 421, Square World wrote:don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join
(I'm thinking there is at least 1 maf in there. It might be Victor or CCC, but I'm not really sure.)
Betting that there's 1 scum in a group of 5 players in an 11 person game is hardly a long shot. You have gone in my estimations.

In post 696, Gamma Emerald wrote:Great now I want to change my vote. Whatever.
VOTE: Square World
I have no idea what Gamma's doing here or why.

In post 721, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 720, House wrote:
In post 716, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'd like to add more to points 3 and 6.
@3: There's this role on EpicMafia called Oracle that reveals a persons role if the Oracle is killed. I've seen an Oracle get lynched intentionally Day 1, although since it was Daystart forum mafia, the role had to be modified to work Day 1.
@6: So the "changing claims" thing can only really happen in a closed setup. Okay.
This is not EM.

Advice for EM is not relevant here.
It was a proof of concept post.
Scumnotch +1 for House for that rather tasteless and pointless nitpick.
You can't give scumpoints to players for discussing theory, when your actively seeking advice. I would say that if House becomes conf!town I would listen to House as he knows what he's doing. Alas, I'm still confident he's drawn red in this game.

In fact, forget everything else. Square World catch up is bull. If he/she is that disinterested then why not replace out. And why only periods of activity when the pressure is on. Square is now my preferred lynch.

In post 757, Square World wrote:page 10
wow victor that question sucks (249)
1) It doesn't.
2) You didn't think that at the time.

In post 849, House wrote:
In post 847, eagerSnake wrote:Manuel is at L-1 in case you haven't noticed.
When he flips town, you and Gamma need to be lynched for being the scum on the wagon.

Then Victor needs to be lynched for being scum off the wagon.

Victor has more experience with my town game than CCV and he's voting me although EVEN CCC recognizes my town play? That's hysterically obvious.
VOTE:
More nonsense. You're more than capable of doing townie things as scum. In fact I'd go further and say that your town/scum meta is not easily distinguishable IIRC.

Though the funny thing is, I agree with you that Manuel is a bad lynch.

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I find the number of townreads I have left in this game is diminishing. However, for the sake of coming to a conclusion I'm going to split you all into will vote won't vote piles:

Won't vote: Grendel, CCC, Manuel, The_Jester, Gamma, Gerry, Huntress
Would vote: House, EagerSnake, Square World

Square is preferred lynch but that's not happening. Neither is House. So eager it is:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EagerSnake

Defeatist vote on his buddy. He even admitted it later.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:32 pm

Whoops last point slipped out of the tag. Still readable.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:32 pm

In post 1317, House wrote:Why is your response to my question about your reread of Victor's ISO taking so long?

Are you reading his ISO?

I'm phone posting, so multi-quoting from ISOs takes longer.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:34 pm

In post 905, VictorDeAngelo wrote:You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

This post.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:49 pm

Either in catch up phase or asleep, I'd guess. Might be time for me to hit the hay too.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:20 am

I said before: while some of the things House has said do not sit well with me, I've decided to give him a pass because his play has been screaming town otherwise.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:41 am

Yeah but you were vocal in NPBR dude.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:42 am

Also, how is the catch-up altogether?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:10 am

Well yeah but you were a good leader.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:06 am

Read list in a bit.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:18 am

Actually, I don't need a full set of explanations because most of my townreads are PoE.
The only person outside of Victor and CCC I can see being scum is TheJester. He's been very quiet for a while, and it looks like he's not going to stop any time soon. He's being typical lurking scum. Also, I may as well explain why I think Manuel is town. The only reason I voted him was a connection between him and Square World, a confirmed town, made by Eager, a confirmed scum. So:
Town to scum:
Manuel
Grendel
House
Huntress
Gerry
Jester
CCC
Victor

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:36 am

Oh and I don't think anyone answered Victor's question about whether a game was solved mathematically. The answer is yes. The Micro game Confirmed Guilties was won by testing each of the four players with votes on them to see if they could be town.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:38 am

CCC that is arbitrary as fuck.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:50 am

Victor I already went through this shutup.
PEdit: Well

that

explains a lot.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 9:54 am

inorite??? what does that mean?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:00 am

Square's claim was unclear, we did not know what he was.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:10 am

Hm. I'm not really buying Victor's claim. I'll unvote for now, but if any other investigative role comes up, Victor goes back under the microscope.
VOTE: CCC

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:12 am

Yeah I kinda figured that could be the case.
VOTE: Victor
Where do you live Victor?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:33 am

Also:
What was the misnomer you promised yesterday?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:39 am

In post 443, House wrote:I have the day two lynch identified as well when CCC flips red.

Hint: If I have my way, his name will be a misnomer

This is what I mean.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:42 am

Yeah, blue is the second mafia color, so that was BS anyway. Green is the ONLY town color here.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:51 am

Was there some connection between Victor and CCC?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:13 am

You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:49 am

NO, I said IF.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:50 am

Why do you feel the need to misrep me Jester?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:37 pm

In post 1466, House wrote:Gamma is the last scum.

He was only on both scum wagons because he had to be. They do not clear him.

Grendel, I leave it to you to lynch him tomorrow. If he had any brains at all, he'll NK me tonight.

Well great, now the real scum will want to incriminate me(if one is even left)

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:38 pm

You don't know that for sure.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:40 pm

Then tell me how you know.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:41 pm

Did you meta me?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:45 pm

No, but There is a critical thing you may have overlooked if you looked at a certain game.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:51 pm

In post 1486, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1455, Gamma Emerald wrote:You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.
This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.

You missed an if.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:53 pm

In post 1485, Grendel wrote:
Gamma Emerald wrote:Did you meta me?
Ohhh, now this sounds like a scum claim.

Who reacts to being scum read by wondering if they were just meta'd lol?!

I had a town game where I challenged the town PR Day 2. MY challenge of House IS my town play.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:55 pm

In post 1490, House wrote:
In post 1489, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1486, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1455, Gamma Emerald wrote:You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.
This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.
You missed an if.
Bullshit. You set yourself up to vote him regardless of the flip.

That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about IF Victor SOMEHOW flips town, THEN I will vote Jester for mishammering.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:56 pm

In post 1492, gerryoat wrote:Nothing more townie than self meta clearing

/s

Don't care if you believe it, it's the facts.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:16 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68310
Here it is.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:19 pm

In post 1495, House wrote:
In post 1493, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1490, House wrote:
In post 1489, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1486, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1455, Gamma Emerald wrote:You had better hope Victor was the absolute last scum Jester, because if he flips town, I'm gonna get you for hammering town, and if he's not the last scum, I'm gonna get you for ending the day early without proper consent.
This looks like you're setting up for tomorrow. And that Victor might flip town.
You missed an if.
Bullshit. You set yourself up to vote him regardless of the flip.
That's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about IF Victor SOMEHOW flips town, THEN I will vote Jester for mishammering.
You also positioned yourself to vote Jester IF Victor isn't the last scum.

You missed an if, brah.

Actually, I thought it over more, and I can see circumstances where you are the next lynch for me. It's mostly theoretical at this point.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:26 pm

Never mind checked the flips and you are clear. It was about PRs being blue.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:38 pm

My scumread on you depended on him flipping blue, but Square flipped green, so that's impossible.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:45 pm

@House: That's a death tunnel. Death tunnels are not inherently scummy.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:46 pm

Why is everyone so convinced there's 3 mafia?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:48 pm

I'm not scumreading you for pressuring me, in fact I'm not even scumreading you, I just find some of your statements scummy.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:49 pm

As I said, there's a reason it was left as a FOS.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:02 pm

Well you're dumb. Apparently I can't change a read without receiving maximum ire.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:15 pm

In post 1517, House wrote:I even made scum sell a scum lynch.

I am SO dumb.

This is a loaded statement.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:19 pm

In post 1520, House wrote:
In post 1506, Gamma Emerald wrote:@House: That's a death tunnel. Death tunnels are not inherently scummy.
Since you like meta, you should know... I deathtunnel as scum and can't make up my mind as town.

Except this game. This game, I've been totally the opposite of that.

Go figure.

I like self-meta. I actually don't rely on meta too much, I only use it when there's something I can establish a trend with.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:24 pm

In post 1522, House wrote:
In post 1519, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1517, House wrote:I even made scum sell a scum lynch.

I am SO dumb.
This is a loaded statement.
That's your objection? Not that it's downright false???

Powerlynch this scum tomorrow, town. It's been real.

That's why I said it was loaded: I'm not scum!

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:27 pm

Let's think this over out loud:
I make the comment "Are you talking about me selling the Victor lynch?", you say "so you admit you are scum!". No win situation.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 2:28 pm

In post 1524, House wrote:
In post 1523, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1522, House wrote:
In post 1519, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1517, House wrote:I even made scum sell a scum lynch.

I am SO dumb.
This is a loaded statement.
That's your objection? Not that it's downright false???

Powerlynch this scum tomorrow, town. It's been real.

That's why I said it was loaded: I'm not scum!
Yeah, correct your course quick!

What's that supposed to mean?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:07 pm

You know, the scummiest thing HOuse has done isn't what I was original thinking, it was fabricated reads. He keeps changing his read on me, and it's looking quite disingenuous.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:22 pm

Yeah you're gonna get policied for it one day, if you haven't been already.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:26 pm

In post 1533, House wrote:I lied to town to get their support lynching not just one, but two scum.

What town policy lynches that?

FTFY

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:29 pm

Did you forget Jester hammered?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:32 pm

I don't understand why you'd not include the vote if you thought I was still lynchable.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:47 pm

So why would you vote me now? You know FOSes exist, right?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:52 pm

In post 1541, House wrote:
In post 1540, Gamma Emerald wrote:So why would you vote me now? You know FOSes exist, right?
Playstyle difference.

Know what my playstyle is?

So you never lost a game?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:55 pm

And yet it feels I am trolling you.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:55 pm

I don't like to meme, but I'll make an exception for you.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:00 pm

Oh, nothing, just the fact I pretty much led the charge.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:02 pm

Because I already found it: TheJester.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:07 pm

He's been rather prodgy all game, and he did the contextless hammer.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:09 pm

Well I'll build on it if I have to. We're not certain we're going to have a Day 3 at this point.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:17 pm

I commented before about scum catching tells easier (or that was another game w/e). Is specifically remember talking about scum finding reasons to read a person their correct alignment. Why would I mention it if I was doing it myself in the same post?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:24 pm

You are saying I caught a scumtell because I am scumbuddies with Victor. Why would I bring up the exact idea you are using on me if it was what I was doing?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:28 pm

It seems that, instead of pressing further, you see to be falling back.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:18 am

In post 1580, House wrote:So GAMMA!

If you're just town that's so awesome at catching slips that others miss (like Victor's defeatist post), riddle me this...

How's come you completely missed the blue flip post?

I never knew PRs could be blue. I thought it was an implication of multiball at first.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:53 am

Okay, so I think TheJester is scum not only for that tasteless hammer, but also because Victor's claim was real. How does this connect? Knowing Victor wasn't lying, Jester hammered within the grounds of the argument already presented so he could attempt to get a free pass to lynch PR.
VOTE: TheJester

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:54 am

Also House: stop whining about your role!

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:58 am

But you made it easy to confirm your claim based on the fact you raised such a fuss! Whine about in here dude.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:00 am

Whatever. What do you think about TheJester now that Victor flipped watcher?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:03 am

See, this exactly what TheJester wants: a pardon for his actions based on the fact someone else fucked up. Doesn't change the fact Victor was telling the truth about his role.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:05 am

You were the town leader: Square was an awkwardly claimed PR. I can see the logic in trying to kill you.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:12 am

Well anyway, that night 2 kill disadvantages me more than anyone else. Grendel has scumread me this entire game. That kill would implicate me beyond belief. Problem is: he scumread me since Day 1. If I was worried about his read, I wouldn't have let him survive one night! So there's no reason for me to kill him now and not Night 1.
PEdit: I voted before the claim.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:13 am

Also: kek rocket surgery

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:35 am

No it's not.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:40 am

@CCC why do you think I am scum?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:41 am

Okay, so you're just going to drop a near naked vote again?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:44 am

CCC that's what I said.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:44 am

In post 1612, The_Jester wrote:
Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, so you're just going to drop a near naked vote again?
He didn't vote. Scum panic much?

Talking to you jackass.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:46 am

@House What I'm saying is it doesn't make sense for me to kill him over his reads. The better choice for that would have been House.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:48 am

Yes the silent and enigmatic Jester who twice failed to explain his vote.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:51 am

In post 1623, The_Jester wrote:
In post 1618, House wrote:
In post 1608, The_Jester wrote:Also can you tell me wtf you meant by this:

In post 1593, House wrote:
In post 1592, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also House: stop whining about your role!
Stop bringing out of game content into the game.

It's against the rules.
Gamma knows what I mean, and that's sufficient.
Do you seriously think we are scum together? Answer this.
No it's not. I want explanation, unless you two got a scum pt.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:56 am

Ok CCC takes everything at face value. Noted.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:04 am

Well then you're either an absolute idiot or scum, Jester. Why do you scumread House?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:56 am

@house: Whoa where'd this CCC townread come from? Last I checked you had him as scum.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:57 am

What cleared CCC?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:04 am

@Huntress: Please explain why you don't like House's play.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:06 am

In post 1669, Huntress wrote:
In post 1465, Huntress wrote:House saying there could be both bodyguard and doctor in the game doesn't make sense and I don't think he's explained it, has he?

@ House:
Can you explain this please? Or if you have, can you link me to it?.

To elaborate: House wanted to trick scum into fakeclaiming doctor.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:26 am

Quick reads, town to scum (now in color):

House, Manuel,

Gerry

CCC, Huntress,

Jester

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:41 am

That's what I thought at first, then he directly stated that he was tricking scum.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:42 am

Also, there was the stupid unintentional OGI.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:54 am

Outside Game Influence.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:13 am

How does that make him

more

suspicious?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:26 pm

In post 1686, House wrote:Oh noez, lurker scum enters the game suspicious of the townie that blasted their buddy into oblivion.

Whatever shall i do?

Who is this in response to?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:05 pm

Hey House, can I get a full read list from you? Just color coding will be fine. I don't really know your thought on Gerry or Manuel.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:24 pm

Actually: Gerry Huntress Manuel Jester CCC I suggest you all do color coded reads too.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:36 am

Manuel, I thought Eager had a good connection and I figured you were the more likely scum. I didn't consider the fact it was my scumread that said it. In the wise words of boring, "[Gamma]'s a more logical thinker, so it was easier for the two of us to seduce him with sound, rational arguments".

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:37 am

That came from another game's postgame FYI

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:08 am

I was seduced by Eager's rational case.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:29 am

Well I was able to form a case based on the garbage Eager had presented. Anyway, Manuel is now a townread of mine since Eager flipped scum.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:07 am

One sec: I'll help that meta check.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:09 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67979
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68310
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=68156
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=68495
All completed games of mine.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:17 am

I'm reconsidering my reads right now, as Huntress has been very scummy today.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:26 am

My Huntress scumread is stronger than my one on CCC now.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:29 am

I'd explain why I said what I said at the end of Day 2, but I'll just say it was only for myself.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:33 am

In post 1744, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1742, House wrote:At any rate, I think we should lynch Jester today since his scum read is pretty much universal and sort which of Gamma/Huntress is their buddy tomorrow.
Why not wait for his replacement? Maybe he can provide better content?

Are we lynching him right now? No we're not.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:11 pm

prodge

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:30 am

Huntress seems to be stalling. I'm more confident she scum is rather than Jester.
VOTE: Huntress

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 6:39 am

VOTE: Gerryoat
That last one is not fully AI, but it all lines up.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:45 am

Manuel

House

CCC

Jester

Huntress

Gerry

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:51 am

In post 1794, House wrote:
In post 1788, gerryoat wrote:So I'm guessing the fact there is a JOAT (
with RB capabilities
. not to mention the watcher and the BG).
Please share where you got the roles that were in Square's JoaT.

He stated the roleblock D1.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:00 pm

OK. Here's why. You stated me as a mislynch while keeping your vote on me.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:15 pm

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:22 pm

Why do you scumread me for that statement?
How do you believe someone is a mislynch while voting that person as town?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:22 pm

Why do you scumread me for that statement?
How do you believe someone is a mislynch while voting that person as town?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 2:29 pm

Well I have less time than I'd like to play right now. I don't want to have to make mega-posts if I don't have to.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:27 pm

Also, I can out why I believe there is 2 mafia now. I was in a 11 player game with 2. Town's power was pretty strong there too, so it makes sense there'd be 2 here.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:05 am

In post 1809, Manuel87 wrote:
In post 1732, The_Jester wrote: No time to play so

I gotta replace out, sorry Mod
. My RL situation was different when I signed up for the game.
@Eggman: You didnt mention looking for a replacement in your last post so i´ll quote it in case you missed it.

Gamma is at L-1

Noone hammers until we have a replacement for Jester.

In post 1788, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1762, House wrote:
In post 1108, gerryoat wrote: please explain why i'm mafia. because i tr eagersnake? like a few other people? Yes, because as mafia i'd hard buddy my GOON. especially when he was getting lynched.
Okay, I believe this is a slip. He seems to
know
there is a role other than goon on the mafia team.
VOTE: gerryoat
How is this a slip? Most mafia setups have more than just a goon. My first game on this site i was mafia. The setup that I was in that had 2 maf goons and a traitor encryptor. and I was mafia goon, and I actually thought it was unbalanced. So I'm guessing the fact there is a JOAT (with RB capabilities. not to mention the watcher and the BG). There has to be a stronger role than just goon. What would be the point of the RB there with possibly 3 mafia goons?
No House has a good point here. Why did you feel the need to point out that Eager was a goon, are you saying you would hard buddy a scum PR to safe him?

In post 1806, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well I have less time than I'd like to play right now. I don't want to have to make mega-posts if I don't have to.
But why follow House if you didnt have time to read his case carefully?

I was able to then.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:10 pm

I don't think gerry ever even called me a mislynch looking back.
Huntress is back to top scumread.
VOTE: Huntress

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:16 pm

Well who is scum then? Other than me.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:18 pm

In post 1827, House wrote:
In post 1824, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well who is scum then? Other than me.
If you weren't scum, you'd have been hammered long ago bro.

What if the scum townreads me?

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:25 pm

In post 1722, House wrote:
In post 1719, Manuel87 wrote:@House why do you scumread Huntress and why do you lean town on Gerry?
She's done a whole lot of nothing.

It's quite possible her vote on eager was bad distancing that she got caught up in and couldn't justifiably leave the wagon after I started pushing him.

As I said, gerry is my weakest town read, but he's done considerably more than my scum reads.

WHAT THE FUCK HOUSE
I WAS LOOKING BACK AT DAY 3 TO SEE WHO TOWNREAD ME BESIDES YOU AND SAW THIS
AND YET YOU THINK SHE AND EAGER ARE NOT A SCUMTEAM
WHAT THE FUCK HAS SHE DONE BETWEEN THEN AND NOW

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:39 pm

That's it.
My vote stays on Huntress unless I see something that really changes my mind.
VOTE: Huntress
For good measure.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:44 am

Only person I can think of like that is Jester's slot.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:12 am

(expired on 2016-10-10 10:30:00)
House, you have until this timer runs out to explain your Huntress read.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:50 am

Explain yourself first.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:22 am

Explain now or you won't like what's next.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:57 am

I'm voting Huntress for playing it too safe, especially around my wagon.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:57 am

Also, I don't think mal is scum.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:20 am

I've seen town gerry flail like this before as town, however flailing is scummy in and of itself so I'm not quite ready to give him botd.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:09 am

BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:13 am

In post 1928, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1927, Gamma Emerald wrote: BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.
No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner

I mean not all implementations.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:25 am

I read the wiki and one incarnation of BG has a 50% chance of killing the attacker.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:27 am

In post 1941, House wrote:
In post 1940, Gamma Emerald wrote:I read the wiki and one incarnation of BG has a 50% chance of killing the attacker.
Not in Normal games.

Makes sense given Percentage modifiers are banned.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:42 am

Erm could you not? I've been warned by a mod about making promises based on game events before.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:53 am

In post 1959, gerryoat wrote:Wait what. BG doesn't have a 50% chance of killing mafia? Sorry that's how it works on epicmafia, so I figured it worked like that here.

Also the fact that gamma didn't correct me, knowing how the role works on EM and here, makes me even more sure he is mafia

I DID CORRECT YOU, MY FIRST POST AFTER THE STATEMENT WAS ME CORRECTING YOU! I CALL MISREP!

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:58 am

I think I should explain why mal is town to me.
Why would scum unvote me when coming in? Makes more sense to change vote after checking who is the best target. Leaving his vote on me would have been more preferable due to leaving me closer to being lynched.
Basically, mal is cleared to me because scum would not do what he did starting out if I was town, and I know I town so he can't be scum.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:58 am

In post 1965, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1927, Gamma Emerald wrote: BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.
How is this correcting? I was saying 50/50. You know how it works on epicmafia. It's 50/50 so always isn't correcting me

I was basing it off of MafiaWiki's description.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:10 am

In post 1970, malpascp wrote:
In post 1929, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1928, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1927, Gamma Emerald wrote: BG doesn't always kill the killer I think.
No shit. Which is why i said potential. It's 50/50. Congrats trying to save your partner
I mean not all implementations.

In post 1930, gerryoat wrote:So you wouldn't take a 50% chance of potential auto win? Thanks for letting us know
This answer was weird af, why'd you repeat yourself AGAIN while ignoring what he was saying, instead of just checking it after someone pointing you a role doesn't work the way you're describing. Sounds like you pushed further on the subject on purpose to make it seem like you're newbtown.

Who is this about, and how does this affect your read on them?

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:12 pm

In post 1987, Huntress wrote:
In post 1680, Gamma Emerald wrote:That's what I thought at first, then he directly stated that he was tricking scum.
What made you believe him?

In post 1882, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm voting Huntress for playing it too safe, especially around my wagon.
Explain please.

1) I suspected the same thing as you, but when he explained it it made a lot of sense thanks to The Thing.
2) You have been Ehh on your read on me all of Day 3. Like you're deliberately avoiding forming a hard opinion on me.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:20 pm

I don't believe Huntress's claim. I believe BP is quite a safe PR for scum to claim as it is a direct reason for scum to not lynch them, explaining their survival.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 09, 2016 3:45 pm

1)

In post 1676, House wrote:
In post 1675, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1669, Huntress wrote:
In post 1465, Huntress wrote:House saying there could be both bodyguard and doctor in the game doesn't make sense and I don't think he's explained it, has he?

@ House:
Can you explain this please? Or if you have, can you link me to it?.
To elaborate: House wanted to trick scum into fakeclaiming doctor.
Not really, but lol.

He may not have said it himself, but he agreed when I said it.
2) How does
Quickhammer = changes vote after counterclaim?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:09 am

In post 2004, Huntress wrote:
In post 1995, Gamma Emerald wrote:He may not have said it himself, but he agreed when I said it.
2) How does
Quickhammer = changes vote after counterclaim?
1) But you said that when he explained it it made a lot of sense, and now you're saying he was just agreeing with you? I think we're going round in circles here. I asked in 1679 what made
you
think that, not what House said. Can you go back and answer that please.

2) There was no counterclaim. House put his vote back on Victor purely because Victor said he was going to bed. You sheeped him, thus enabling the hammer. Read what you wrote in 1591. The knowledge that Victor wasn't lying could apply to you just as much as to Jester.

In post 1996, House wrote:And instead of seeking clarification, you were happy to sit back and let me lynch him and only spoke up after his wagon fell apart.
I believe I did say that I wasn't interested in lynching him, when there were two votes on him (neither from you by the way, but you do seem to want to take credit for everything that happens in the game, even when it's others that are doing it). Contrary to what you are saying I did ask him for clarification, but I was more concerned with sorting out my thoughts on you.

1) I thought he was doing it because it felt like a likely town play.
2) Clarify your point please.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:16 pm

I may have sheeped him on Gerry, but I am voting Huntress for my own reason. And I voted first!

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:08 am

In post 2058, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2052, House wrote:
In post 2047, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2035, House wrote:
In post 2032, Manuel87 wrote:He is dead set on hammering her because she claimed Bullet-proof? Doesnt make sense to me.
If he was scum he could have easily justified hammering Huntress and had my support tomorrow if he left me alive.

Look at Gerry's play dude. He DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ME UNTIL I DERAILED THE GAMMA WAGON AND STARTED PUSHING HUNTRESS.

His scumclaiming is all over the place, and the association with Huntress is so glaringly obvious it hurts.
BECAUSE GAMMA IS OBVIOUS MAFIA. IF YOU CANT REALIZE THIS THEN YOU HAVE TO BE MAFIA, YOU CANNOT BE THIS BAD AS TO TOWNREAD HIM
IN NO WORLD EVER DOES GAMMA!SCUM LEAVE ME ALIVE AFTER D2.
Have you ever thought maybe he PR read Grendel? What you're saying can be easily answered something like that

Do you not remember House claimed BG?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:57 am

In post 2062, gerryoat wrote:I'm 100% confident that this is a ML right now and you are both mafia. House trying to get me to hammer Huntress and selling me on Manuel being town despite the fact that he says me and Huntress are partners makes them obvious partners.

No, he's saying if you are somehow not Huntress's partner, Manuel is.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:53 am

Oh my fuck.
If mal, Manuel, or CCC agrees to this shit charade I'm gonna replace out, because I can't watch you guys act so plainly against your own win con.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:39 am

In post 2073, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2072, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh my fuck.
If mal, Manuel, or CCC agrees to this shit charade I'm gonna replace out, because I can't watch you guys act so plainly against your own win con.
Notice how Gamma is squirming but HOUSE doesn't say ANYTHING about it. But says I'm squirming. hahahhaa, they are both obvious partners

BECAUSE I'M HIS TOWNREAD DIPWAD

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:51 am

VOTE: gerryoat
I can sheep that.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:40 pm

In post 2092, gerryoat wrote:How was I chainsawing? As I said, I can't be mafia, if I was mafia I would have killed ou when you claimed BG because of how I thought BG worked.

1) Nice use of "if I was scum..."
2) Huntress could have swayed you towards a Grendel kill.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:08 pm

@gerry you're a dumbass. Did you not play Mini Normal 1832?

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:12 pm

In post 2112, gerryoat wrote:
In post 2111, Gamma Emerald wrote:@gerry you're a dumbass. Did you not play Mini Normal 1832?
OH RIGHT LOL. So it is possible for there to be only 2 maf.

And how many town PRs were there?
3.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:18 pm

I think Huntress is mafia because she tiptoed around my wagon and now that I reflected on it, her Day 1 play seems kinda suspicious as well.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:27 pm

In post 345, Huntress wrote:
Vote: CCC

My other scum reads at the moment are eager and gamma, with Rhaz/House a little lower.

I originally defended her on this, but this looks really lazy.

In post 444, Huntress wrote:
In post 346, House wrote:Please explain eager and Gamma?
I'll dig out the detail on these tomorrow. I haven't had time to do it today.

In post 347, House wrote:Also, why a vanity vote on CCC instead of voting me if I'm among your scum reads?

I'd have expected a case if you were going to seriously vote CCC instead of joining my wagon.
Hardly a vanity vote to vote my top read at this stage of the Day. Why should I vote you when I had stronger reads?

In post 354, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm a little curious about why Huntress scumreads me, but I don't really think that was something I had to say out loud.
Why not?

In post 390, eagerSnake wrote:Huntress, are you fully caught up?
I was fully caught up when I posted yesterday. I still need to do some meta reads though, and follow up on some stuff.

In post 420, CCC wrote:Might I ask why?
I'll explain tomorrow as I haven't had a chance to do it today.

First part: looks like scum trying to stall to make up a badly made read.

In post 750, Huntress wrote:My read on eager is mainly a gut read but I'll try to pin it down a bit.

Eager's posting felt off from his very first post. Most people who want to do something other than rvs to start discussion just do it. Eager made a point of drawing the players attention to what he was doing. He was too quick to call Gamma town in 70, especially in view of his statement that he starts with the assumption that everyone is guilty until proved innocent. I didn't like the second part of 80. If he thought Victor might be town with an ulterior motive then he should have waited to see what came of it rather than point it out. Either way it would have been better to wait for Victor's explanation first. His vote on Square in 600 was for an extremely flimsy reason. It was also for something that Manuel did, not Square. He's throwing the words "doubtcasting" and "WIFOM" around far too much and adding distracting stuff like 697.

Vote: eagerSnake

Yet again, feels like something scum would easier perceive in their buddy.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:31 pm

In post 2120, gerryoat wrote:What was bad about her day 1? She subbed in so I think she was rereading. Which is why I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

I did the same thing.
She told me I was wrong.

Gamma Emerald · Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:38 pm

dw, I understand why you thought I was scum in that game.
VOTE: Huntress

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:58 am

In post 2166, CCC wrote:
In post 2151, Huntress wrote:
In post 2097, House wrote:Manuel/mal, the fact Huntress was at L-1 for so long and unhammered should tell you she's scum.
Nope. It tells you that there is scum on my wagon.
If you're really Town - and, honestly, the fact that you're still posting as Town even after the hammer says a
lot
in favour of you being Town - then yes, everyone on your wagon will need to be re-considered.

And everyone else, as well.

I've seen scum post as town after being hammered before.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:57 am

MOD IS ONLINE!

Sorry. College stuff.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:59 am

*presses button to indicate we found our proposed solution to the simulation*

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:44 pm

I'm not sure whether there's 2 or 3. Gerry, did you look at the review topic for Mini 1832. It had a fourth PR, albeit a one shot. There could still be two.
I suggest we massclaim. I'm vanilla townie.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:14 pm

He was likely killed directly.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 14, 2016 4:39 pm

I'm going to wait until the massclaim is over to make my prediction on how many scum there are.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 14, 2016 6:57 pm

Yo Manuel's online but hasn't posted yet.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:02 pm

And he left...

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:14 pm

Okay I'm going to say what I was thinking.
I think the possibility of 2 scum still exists. In the game I was using for the potential scum count in the latter half of this game, there was an omitted one shot vigilante. That would have made towns power:
Pinger(glorified fruit vendor basically)
tracker
watcher
one shot vig
in that game. So far in this game we have
JOAT
Watcher
BG
one shot BP
looking similar, but may be stronger. I'm thinking that scum's PR may be a strongman to deal with the defensive lean I see (BG, BP, RB and maybe Doc from JOAT). I was thinking that if we had 1 PR claim, I could determine whether a) scum was fakeclaiming or b) it really is 3 scum. But with no PR claims, I'm not sure about either possibility.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:38 pm

Wait.
If CCC is really town, which I am feeling, we're in auto win. Because we would have the same amount of lynches as potential scum.

If anyone has doubts that CCC is town, please bring them up.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:51 pm

Gerry is right here. He put his neck on the line to defend town, and his vote was not a plea vote. Dude's town. Meaning we have auto between CCC and mal.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:46 pm

Hm. CCC and mal are both good options, and with Manuel and Gerry clear, we have auto if we lynch in those 2. Willing to lynch either CCC or mal equally as much.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:52 pm

CCC provides a good point though. I'm feeling our best shot is mal.

This is a theoretical vote on malpascp.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:58 pm

You know what f it
I'm ready already.
VOTE: malpascp

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:07 pm

I think Gerry is clear because he hard defended so much, but his vote didn't look forced.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:43 pm

Hmm...

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:00 am

Figures with that hammer.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:51 am

In post 2234, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 2233, Manuel87 wrote:Well there was a point where we couldnt turn back.
I was also pretty sure Gerry was the Traitor day one because he tried to get the lynch on Square.

@Eggman: what powers did Square have as Jaot aand what did he do night 1?
I honestly forgot you were my partner and didn't check the PT until you were already at l-1.. that's when I backed off some but it was too late

That explains a bit.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:17 am

Thinking back, we should have powerlynched Manuel. The entire crux of catching Eager was suspecting Manuel was scum.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:32 am

In post 2244, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 2243, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thinking back, we should have powerlynched Manuel. The entire crux of catching Eager was suspecting Manuel was scum.
I didn't have any associative tells, Gamma. I didn't know who my partner was so this would've been a faux-tell

And yet you still behaved like he was, opting to lynch Square instead of him.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:46 am

D1 kill: PR
D2 kill: framing me
d3 kill: PR
If we lynched Gerry and Manuel wasn't dead, THEN questions should have been asked.