Mini 1830 - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

That's how I justified myself though.

[eagerSnake]

When I called you out for that I was mostly gauging what your defensive behavior would be. Certain types of defensive behavior are scumtells. Not defense in general, but specific types of defense. You didn't have that type of defense.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. I'd like to hear what CCC has to say though.

[Grendel]

@snake

I'm almost finished keeping you as my crutch "conf" town read Eager. So to finish up I'd like to hear your hypothetical scum team.

Then I'll recheck your slot.

Thanks for playing along. Too bad we didn't do more though more with it though.

[House]

My initial intention was to say "that's not entirely necessary" about interacting with people before assessing them.

Why does my line of questioning on another player bother you to the point that you feel the need to intervene?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I thought it was unnecessary.

[House]

Because I thought it was unnecessary.

Regardless of your opinion on its necessity, why not allow it to play out and offer your opinion after the interaction?

Garciaing my question only serves to implicate yourself by inhibiting scum hunting, regardless of how you personally feel about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank you for the suggestion. I will do that from now on.

[Grendel]

I think that... I may need to look into more possibilites later though.

I don't have a handle on Gerry yet, but I can get behind a Manuel and Gamma team (from individual reads, not associatives).

Don't fall into the trap of thinking scum would never do something.

I've powerlynched many a townie because "all the scum would never vote the same wagon".

I've lolhammer as scum and gotten away with it because "scum world never draw that much attention to themselves".

Don't do that. It's bad.

Judge alignment based on motive, not assumptions of what scum won't do.

Yeah, I think Manuel and Gamma fit together too. Uh, I can think of an associative, but I'll have to dig for it b/c I have can't remember exactly when/where it was said now.

You're not wrong that hunting for motives is better. It just has a much higher learning curve then looking at patterns of what town and scum normally do, and don't do. Also need to have a good gut, which I can't confidently say I have.

[House]

Thank you for the suggestion. I will do that from now on.

Please tell me why CCC and Square are scum.

Assume I know nothing of the game or your opinions and need it spelled out like a six year old.

Thank you!

[Gamma Emerald]

CCC: He was hypocritical about the scumteam size. I don't really scumread him as much as I did, but it's still there.
Square: when he started posting after my initial reads list, his posts didn't feel like they were coming from town.

[House]

CCC: He was hypocritical about the scumteam size. I don't really scumread him as much as I did, but it's still there.
Square: when he started posting after my initial reads list, his posts didn't feel like they were coming from town.

Why did Square's posts after your initial rewards list not feel like they were coming from town? Remember, I know nothing of your opinion and need it fed to me in toddler sized bites.

[House]

Of I sound condescending, that is not my intention btw. I am just trying to be very clear about the detail I need in order to understand your viewpoint.

[House]

If I sound condescending, that is not my intention btw. I am just trying to be very clear about the detail I need in order to understand your viewpoint.

EBWOP

[House]

Yeah, I think Manuel and Gamma fit together too. Uh, I can think of an associative, but I'll have to dig for it b/c I have can't remember exactly when/where it was said now.

My read on Gamma isn't concrete. I'm considering the possibility that he just might be town.

[gerryoat]

UNVOTE:

I like House's posts wayyyyyyyyy more than Rhaz. TY for subbing in lol.

[gerryoat]

I only reread 2 pages, but that was enough. I'll read the others and post more when I wake up, I gotta headache

[House]

Why does Gamma feel like town? I feel like what he's said is basically what I've said when it comes to the setup. Also, I still think it's not needed to talk about what kinda PRs we have

I get a jealousy vibe from this post.

Did it bother you that Gamma got a townread for something you also did? If so, why?

/poke gerry

[House]

The page 3 stuff between Snake and Gamma is 100% fluff. I don't see how Victor can be scumreading snake for it either. Regardless I don't see it as alignment indicative.

Also a huge pet peeve of mine is when people waste too much time on setup spec. Setup spec won't win Town the game, so quit it and start posting some real content.

i think this is the worst post so far. He basically repeated what I said and then gave a read that snake and gamma was fluff when everyone has been fluff so far.

If Rhaz made "the worst post so far", and "repeated what you said", what does that say about what you said?

/poke gerry

[CCC]

1.

No. Being pushed in the early game does not imply your low hanging fruit. And if it did then Rhazh vote becomes a player didn't do a lot of scumhunting and he pushed some players. So despite your best efforts, you really can't defend this.

Hmmm. Yeah, you're right. It does become more than a little hypocritical.

2.

Sure, technically anything scummy could explained away any number of ways. Perhaps he was tired and completely misunderstood the gamestate. Perhaps he didn't the communication skills to say what he meant so instead he said something different. Maybe he simply misspelt.... no sorry it's too late for me to even find an implausible finish to that sentence.

I don't see any value in continuing this discussion further. You seem to willing ignore your own analyse of the posts (since you state repeatedly that you agree with my assessment of Manuel posts), and instead inexplicable willing to give Rhahz the benefit of the doubt that he must have read them differently, and subsequently it's plausible this all came a townie place even if no one will explain precisely how.

Mainly I was playing devil's advocate, to test the strength of your case. Much to my surprise - because I honestly didn't expect this when I started this discussion - you actually

do

have a case. (It's not a great case, but that early in the game, I don't really expect more).

And, moreover, the fact that you not only have a case but could defend it so thoroughly earns you quite a few Townpoints in my book. You're by no means my strongest Townread, but I also no longer think you're a good day one vote.

[CCC]

Vote: CCC

Might I ask why?

[Square World]

don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join

[CCC]

Okay. I'd like to hear what CCC has to say though.

After a little introspection, I found that I had higher confidence in the idea of three scum

total

(who I thought were probably mafia) than in the idea of three

mafia

specifically. Yet your posting showed that you had more confidence in the idea of a team of three mafia than in the total number of scum.

One possible reason for the difference might be that you have some external knowledge of the size of the scumteam; and the easiest way for that to be true is if you are on said team. Therefore, it nudged your slot slightly scumwards.

[CCC]

Welcome, House!

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay. I'll consider the possibility of 2 mafia from now on.