Open 28 - Quack Mafia. OVER! But who won? before 466

[curiouskarmadog]

Whadido... I mean

Vote: Battlemage

vote indy

for placing the 3rd vote on someone on the first page.

[curiouskarmadog]

First Quack game...so not sure what will be helpful for the town when it comes to info. off the top...Claiming: Doctor..however, I did nothing in the night, because I was afraid of my possible Quackness killing someone.

also when the Mod posts deaths, is they anyway to disinguish between a Quack death and a mafia hit?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote:Dral
vote: Mert

any reasons?

[curiouskarmadog]

doesnt seem that hard to understand..A townie could die by a scum (during a night kill) even though the quack (who thought he was a doctor) protection that townie.

he (or she?) is saying that they did not protect Fern, that someone else did.

Partly OMGUS

FoS:theopor_COD

Of course I have been planning, I want to win the game. But that is no scumtell.

Look 1 out of a possible 4 townies died the first night.

A townie could die by a scum night kill of a quack protection.

We know that 1 guy died this night. We also already know that Dral tried to protect him.

I didn't protect him but someone else

. The possibilities are still big, but if we collect data we could find out how the puzzle works.

@Dral: Don't suicide but avoid night choices from now. We need to lynch scum, quacks can stay alive without problem.

Can you retype this, as it seems like a lot of random thoughts strung together, unfinished and unintelligible. Bolded specifics.

[curiouskarmadog]

edit: he (or she?) is saying that they did not protect Fern, that Hjallti
protected someone else.

[curiouskarmadog]

fyi, will be going on a well deserved vacation between the 13th and 22nd. Most likely will have no access between those dates (unless I find a wireless coffee shop or what not), and if I do the posts will most likely be on the light content side.

[curiouskarmadog]

you two, get a room

[curiouskarmadog]

ok so on future rereads we can pretty much overlook page three.

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay Battle Mage I'm happy with your answer:

unvote

, except with the part claiming Omgus. I did feel your vote was trying to get rid of discussion: you vote someone who tries to discuss town strategy.... it still feels strange to me.

@Jordan: I think you shouldn't clear yourself so easy. I also protected someone who didn't die. If we would have protected the same person it would we possible one of us, or even both still are quack (both would take four protections but that is still possible).

what happens if a quack "protects" mafia..does that mafia die? Still trying to figure this game out.

[curiouskarmadog]

I protected successfully last night.

The mafia aren't affected by a quack "protecting" them.

so if you "protected" someone that is mafia, they would not die, right? So how do you know you protected someone successfully? Maybe you just targeted mafia.

[curiouskarmadog]

So to finish the thought out…

avoid night choices? are you frigging serious!?
Our best chance at finding the scum is to use the confirmed quacks to target people. A quack is like a Vig-Cop combo.

this is not really true. I mean, if I target someone who is a doctor (if I am indeed a quack), I kill them, thus helping the mafia. Now we can all combine our efforts and be honest with our choices, but the mafia will throw in false info, which would be difficult to catch not to mention it is almost like claiming. The only way a Quack is like a Vig, is that he has potential to kill at night. But he can only kill a townie….so how does this help the town at this point?

Please someone else comment on this…new to the game and want to understand the strategy of this. BM’s posts seems scummy to me, but that might be because I do not fully understand Quack mafia yet.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

waiting to see what the prods do..

and BM's response.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ouch, I've been prodded!

Heh, really though, I am unfamiliar with any of you or your tactics, in most of my games I am far more aggressive, in this community though, you are an experienced bunch and I need to collect my thoughts and ideas before I try to speak out with some newbie blather.

so at what point will you start posting, after Day 1?...no sir, I want info from you before then...

Vote Indy

Until you post some content or you are replaced.....or someone scummier comes around...

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm, so Mert and Indy claim they protected me last night and I am still alive...interesting. So that means that at least one

must

be a doctor..or one (or both) are lying. Anyone else "protected" me last night?

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not to sure about Curious claiming to have not protected, it seems like something a scum would say so they have one less "protection that can be analysed for possible truthness.

I just didnt want to kill anybody, however, now in retrospect, that puts a target on me for a NK for Night 1. Also, if we all were on honest, wont it be easy for scum to pick out the doctor from Hjallti’s list? One other thing we need to consider is, we don’t know what Fern’s action was.

[curiouskarmadog]

There are 6 doctors (5 left) 3 quacks and 3 scum. I think 'to pick out the doctor' is here a bad word choice.
The puzzle is indeed easier for scum than for us, but the task is different as well:
if we find the puzzle even at lylo we win (if we don't we do not nec. loose: we might lynch right and stay at lylo till endgame and thus win), scums' task is to prevent us from finding this puzzle.

well crap, I thought it was the other way around (3 doctors and 6 quacks)...(went to page one and reread)....yep, you are right, so we have 5 doctors left.

How do we figure out the puzzle not knowing the Fern piece (his action) and not knowing which mafia is telling the truth?

[curiouskarmadog]

err not necessarily. the OP didnt make it crystal clear whether Fernando was a normal Doc or a Quack from what i remember...

pretty sure she did

[curiouskarmadog]

It looks like I'm a doctor, which is a good thing I guess.... I can't believe no one else went for JDodge.


We need to flush out the liers....

how do you know you are a doctor? What is your plan to flush liars?

[curiouskarmadog]

As I stated, this is my first Quack game.

I did not pick anyone because I thought there were 6 quacks and 3 doctors..I have never played a quack game before, and did not like the odds of killing a townsperson. IF I was mafia trying to be town, wouldnt it have been easier to say I targetted Fern?

Speaking of targeting Fern (and this is going to come off as a OMGUS vote)..but

vote Dral

if anybody does any metagaming, they will find a current game that Dral was too busy to play in (that started before this one) and had to be replaced. I think he stayed in this game because he is mafia which is far more interesting than being a vanilla townie..I am sure if I dig a little more I will find more games.

Dral, care to comment on why you had to be replaced in other games, but want to play this one?

[curiouskarmadog]

Another thing I'm curious about (sorry bad joke):
Why did curious say it is crap we have only 3 rather than 6 quacks? It looks like you wanted the opposite, and thus a scum tell:

FoS: CuriousKarmaDog

Hey, I know we are in day 1 and we are trying to find anything to start applying pressure to anyone, so I get it. But this is a stretch, how do you gather I wanted the opposite?

If you check out my post (109) I was reasoning based on my belief that there were only 3 Docs…I was just confused.

[curiouskarmadog]

IF I was mafia trying to be town, wouldnt it have been easier to say I targetted Fern?

WIFOM, WIFOM, WIFOM

so, is it any less true?

[curiouskarmadog]

if anybody does any metagaming, they will find a current game that Dral was too busy to play in (that started before this one) and had to be replaced. I think he stayed in this game because he is mafia which is far more interesting than being a vanilla townie..I am sure if I dig a little more I will find more games.

Dral, care to comment on why you had to be replaced in other games, but want to play this one?

I don't think we are allowed to talk about other ongoing games especially since some people are in both. So no, I don't care to comment. You will not find other games. This is my only game.

I do not think we are aloud to reference the game number, but I do urge everyone to metagame a bit.

[curiouskarmadog]

Metagaming is, and always has been in my opinion, a terrible idea. In a strictly C9 environment, I could see the possibility of metagaming being helpful where the same roles are always in play, but with the amount of theme games and so many games with many different role setups, it makes metagaming a crapshoot that is about as effective as flipping a coin, heads you're scum, tails you're town.

Hypothetical situtation:

Let says you were in a game (Game 3) with someone (person A) who previously was in games (Game 1 and Game 2). While in Game 1 and 2, person A signs up for Game 3. Game 1 was close to the endgame. Person A did not post much in Game 2 and once Game 3 started, he sought a replacement for himself (no reason given). However, the game Person A is in with you, he is an active poster.

1.) You would not want that information? If no, why?
2.) In a game where a Day 1 one lynch is based on conjecture and theory, what conclusions would you draw from Person A, who chose to play Game 3, but wanted a replacement for Game 2.

[curiouskarmadog]

Because there could be an infinite number of reasons he asked for a replacement. Maybe he didn't like the mod, maybe he didn't like one of the other players, maybe he just decided he didn't like that game type. Sure, the metagaming could be right, but most of the time metagaming turns out to be little more than conjecture.

didnt like the mod? why did he sign up for the game?
didint like a player? why did he confirm?
type of game? wouldnt you want to check to see if the games are similar?

Everything in day 1 is conjecture...

at any rate, I just want other people to look into it and make up their own mind. I can see yours is already made up with out looking into it...

[curiouskarmadog]

Started thinking about this character today and something didn’t strike me right. He has voted for me because I have the safest claim for a scum, and I have already explained why I didn’t do a night action..however

lol - is it fair to ask if anyone else targeted FeRnAnDo last night?

isn’t this a fairly safe claim as well, we cant really check this? Seems to me that this too would be an easy mafia claim. He also was quite speedy getting this information right out there too.

vote: Dral

Looks like I am one of the quacks. I am now a cop who kills innocents.

4 posts and 5 hours later (not giving anyone time to reply) he posts this. 1.) voting yourself never helps the town at this point, 2.) without having any input from anyone else, he knows he killed Fern. 3.) think he is pulling the “poor me” card

which Mert bites the bait,

Unvote

Dral, you shouldn't self vote as there could have been reasons why you're not a Quack. For example, both scum and a Quack could have targetted your target, negating your functioning Doc powers.

Moreover, while I love a good wagon, I'm not keen to end this day just yet.

I post my post about not wanting to vote anyone for fear of killing them and 6 minutes later Dral posts..

unvote:Dral
vote: Mert

I guess my apparent scumminess was over looked then.

I then post.

unvote:Dral
vote: Mert

any reasons?

to find out why he felt Mert who just unvoted him needed a vote. He came back with “OMGUS vote”, which again does not make any since.

Side note: might not mean anything but worth a note…

6 posts later, Mert votes me for underneath quoting.

Then we have

avoid night choices? are you frigging serious!?
Our best chance at finding the scum is to use the confirmed quacks to target people. A quack is like a Vig-Cop combo.

Not exactly. I could end up killing any real doctor. Plus, if someone lives, they aren't 100% scum (they could have been protected). I guess with some coordination we could use it as a second lynch. Like give me a target and tell everyone else not to target them. But probably way too difficult to get everyone to agree to that.

OK what? He defends not making a night choice. AGAIN, he defend not making a night choice. Then he wants to target someone else and use it as second lynch? Supposedly you are a Quack..you can only kill the town….Why would you want to kill townies?

Should anyone else who protected Fernando last night claim?

For pure selfish reasons (so I know if I am a quack), I would like people to tell if they did. But, I have no idea what the best strategy is.

Now he admits he does not know what the best strategy is? Yeah, I bet you don’t.

I think we should tell all targets. It should be fairly easy to catch the scums in a lie. We can't wait for a few days because, as people die, it will be easier to lie.

just want to comment on the logic here…how is it easier to lie with fewer people?

Also side: might not be anything..Mert mentions she protected me last night (later Indy says he protected me as well). Also Mert asks Indy why he protected me..which I find interesting….did Mert ask anyone else why they protected someone, will have to go back and check later..another side note…7 pages into the game, Mert still has her vote on me for undereneath posting…interesting, arent we passed random voting now?

Now..Dral

unvote: Mert
vote: curiouskarmadog

Someone who doesn't target anyone does us no good. We gain no information. It is also the safest claim for a scum. We can't catch a scum in a lie if they claim they didn't target anyone. On the plus side, we lose no info by lynching him today.

votes for me...NOW he knows strategy and how mafia plays? What? BTW, this is a weak argument and I am surprised the town did not jump all over it. You cant lose info by lynching me? WE ARE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION. This smells of scum.

This crippled with my meta gaming posts from before screams scum…

I encourage everyone reread the thread thus far….find something I missed…do some meta gaming. I would love some of the more experienced players to comment, as I am still pretty new to mafia....do I have a right to think Dral's play thus far a scummy?

Also FoS Mert

…not liking the interaction between her and Dral.

[curiouskarmadog]

Dral, I think everyone one of your replies has bad logic in it...I do not even know where to start..

at any rate, I do not have time at the moment break it down, hoping the others will see your post for what it is.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm pretty sure this is almost everyone's first game of Quack Mafia. It's certainly the first I've ever heard of this setup - I'm not sure such a game has ever been played on Scum before and, if it has, these games are not exactly a dime a dozen. I don't put any stock at all in your constant "but this is my first Quack game" posts because it's my first too - the difference is, I'm trying to work out how we can use the setup to our advantage as best as possible whereas you're hiding behind your lack of experience with the setup.

I have not been hiding behind anything. I was asked why I did not protect anyone last night. 2 reasons..1.) I simply misread the setup, I thought there was 6 quacks and did not like those odds of killing a townie. 2.) I am new to mafia in general (so I do not know how many quack games there are) and did not know what to do my first night.

As for the Dral got replaced elsewhere idea, it could simply be that he joined a few more than he perhaps should have done and realised he'd need to drop out of one. Besides, your argument that Scum is more interesting is Townie could just as easily work that Doctor is more interesting than Townie. And what do we know about all the protown players in this game?

OK, well this has gone far more than "interesting". You do know that there is more to my Dral case other than that, right? Now you are defending him. Time for you to answer some questions.

Why do you feel Dral is town? (maybe quoting some posts for us to go back and read)

You think thus far, Dral has demonstrated sound logic?

Do you believe that Dral is a Quack?

Why did you ask Indy why he protected me, but did not ask anyone else, why they protected their targets?

[curiouskarmadog]

Not safe at all. In fact, it would be pretty bad strategy. I am now 100% confirmed quack or scum. If we discover 3 quacks, I am confirmed scum. If I was scum, this would be real bad. Claiming no target is by far the safest claim for scum to make..

so what you are saying is you are 100% town or scum? How is that not an easy claim in Day 1? With mafia putting out false info, there is no way tell who is Quack or Mafia. I told everyone the truth, I didnt target anyone because I misread the set up and didnt like the odds.

Strategy for a KNOWN quack (me) and an unknown quack (you) are completely different. You think nobody should protect until we know who the quacks are? That would be a pretty exciting game. The best way to find out if you are a quack is by making night choices..

again, who are you trying to convince? YOU ARE NOT A KNOWN quack, you just finished saying you could be a quack or scum. I never said, I think no one should protect until we know who the quacks are (quote please). Now you are blatantly lying…Jesus, and Mert thinks you are town???

[curiouskarmadog]

You think nobody should protect until we know who the quacks are? That would be a pretty exciting game.

I see that it is indeed a question and I read it wrong. I have explained many times why I did not make a night choice. Now that I understand the game (and the odds) I understand why I night choice for us is so important…I never said I thought “nobody should protect.” I read your statement like you were implying that I did.

[curiouskarmadog]

Alright, heading to vacation (tomorrow morning) and will not be back until the 22nd. I will have limited access at best. At any rate..

Unvote Dral

The more I see this guy post, the more I think he more likely the VI (Village Idiot). His posts do have a scum taint to it, but he himself says he is usually lynched Day1 because of his play style…I just do not feel comfortable leaving my vote on him for a week.

If we should happen to go into night while I am away I will submit my night protection to the Mod (now). Will tell you upfront, going to protect Dral…you can work around that as you see fit.

Good luck town.

[curiouskarmadog]

heading out, but want to get this in there, "VI" is a term that I commonly run into to describe the player (who is most likely town) that has bad logic, does not really help the town, and appears to be scummy. It is not anymore of an insult than someone calling someone else "scum"...

..I am in 3 other games (1 not on this site) that use VI frequently...you can metagame to see that this was not a personal attack.

[curiouskarmadog]

back sort of, need a couple days to unpack and and catch up

[curiouskarmadog]

OK, read the thread while I was away…throwing my thoughts out there….man, there is nothing like a vacation to make you look at something in a different way. Now I am going to reread what I missed and give a page by page analysis. This is one of the easier games I have to look over, not much has happened here in a week.

The rest of Page 8:
Nothing really, some misunderstandings and worthless posts.
Page 9:
JDodge wants to lynch Indy than Jordan.
Discussion on JDodge’s playstyle(mostly between JDodge and Hjallti), might be worth some metagaming to compare and get a point of reference on JDodge. Is he stating this so we do not think his playstyle is suspicious? Don’t know. Ameliali mentions that he is not playing like he normally does, advises him that playing differently may indicate a different role. How does he normally play? What was his role in that game (if it has ended)? JDodge does not like metagaming, interesting. Mert does not have a problem with his play style.
Conversation between Mert and Indy why they “protected” me night zero. Noted that Indy gave two explanations why he protected me.
Page 10:
Getting better, Theo does the leg work and posts the list of “protections”:

This is for my own benefit for later on –
AmeliaLi - protected JDodge
curiouskarmadog - protected No One
theo - protected Jordan
Hjallti - protected Jordan
Jordan - protected Mert
Indy - protected curiouskarmadog
Dral - protected Fernando
Mert - protected curiouskarmadog
JDodge - protected Mert
BM - protected Mert
ControlledBurn - protected Hjallti

I think it might be important too, to note who provided this information and when. Will try to do this sometime in the next 72 hours if I get a moment…Understanding the game now, I am wishing I had “protected” someone night 0.
Hjallti says lists will be useful after Day 1…He will be looking for scumtells for a Day 1 lynch. Notes a scumtell for BM and Dral.
Indy provides some odd assumptions on the two people that “protected” me. None of which makes much since, and is caught rather quickly by Dral and Hjallti.
BM thinks Hjallti is town. Not a lot has happened…and nothing has changed my view of Dral…so I shall resume my vote..

Vote Dral, FoS Mert

Nothing has changed since I was last here, except I did not really like JDodge’s explanation of why he is playing oddly
I agree with Hjallti, the list is important but I think we need to press scumtells day 1 for a lynch. Thinking about this game while I was away I admit that not protecting Night 0 is an easy ploy for scum, however, I think any claim of protection is an easy claim in Day 1, and will not be making that mistake Night 1. I have previously stated why I think Dral is scummy (please reread 152).

[curiouskarmadog]

welcome

[curiouskarmadog]

Let's just lynch BM, he seems the scummiest after a re-read, and his logic isn't on par, and anyways this day has taken forever.

Vote: BM

First of all..read the thread...your (dral's) vote was on jdodge, so you will need to unvote first, I think if you had read the thread you would have seen that...

I didnt like the way Dral played, and I dont like the way you come in, say this day is taking forever lets just lynch...the only person I can see wanting to hurry to end a day and not pursue scum, or at least work out this puzzle...would be mafia..

my vote is staying on you..

[curiouskarmadog]

~N9V~ replaces AmeliaLi (who requested replacement). Welcome him!

Might behoove you to read the thread first…

[curiouskarmadog]

Talk about reading the game over, it took me less than 10 minutes, no joke, to read this game.

great then maybe you can take another 10 minutes to provide some content

[curiouskarmadog]

great then maybe you can help lynch BM. Everyone's claimed, topics have been exhausted, and I've already seen arguments against BM, no need to regurgitate them.

my vote is staying on you...

[curiouskarmadog]

great then maybe you can help lynch BM. Everyone's claimed, topics have been exhausted, and I've already seen arguments against BM, no need to regurgitate them.

How about we lynch BM and, if he's town, we lynch you tomorrow?

(laughing)...why not the other way around?

[curiouskarmadog]

Right now, I still want to lynch CKD mostly.

yeah I bet you would, as it provides exactly no information to anyone.

[curiouskarmadog]

welcome stewie,

gone for the weekend, might be able to post later today, if needed.

[curiouskarmadog]

Indy has been inactive in all of his games

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah I bet you would, as it provides exactly no information to anyone.

Why would lynching you give us no information?

Well, for one, I didnt protect anyone last night as you well know (think that is your whole arguement as to why the town should lynch me). As I have said, I will not make that mistake twice. Figuring this game out as a go, I think it is important to figure out the puzzle that is laid before us, unfornately, the only part of the puzzle I am is where people "protected" me last night.

However, Ms Piggy, is playing quite scummy and she claimed that she has protected someone...more information.

What I think is VERY interesting is that you seemed all buddy/buddy with Dral and I thought he was scummy, now Piggy is his replacement, she is playing even scummier, and you have totally over looked her. I would like to see you comment on Piggy.

I think Piggy(dral) and Mert are scum…Hey look Mert you are right, if I am lynched, here is some information the town should follow!!!

[curiouskarmadog]

I

vote:Mert

because Dral and Ms Piggy play to bad to distinguish scum from town.
by the way... with a mislynch or nolynch we could be unlucky and be at lylo or worse tomorrow.

you make a good point,

I still think they are scum together, what sticks in my mind is the fact Mert felt Dral was town when he was playing so scummy, and now that Piggy comes into the fray playing VERY scummy, Mert still attacks me and has not addressed Piggy scumminess....I am tempted to change my vote over..

however, I would like to hear Mert address my questions from this page.....and address your accusations.

[curiouskarmadog]

also Mod:

In another game where Indy has been absent, the Mod is requesting a replacement. Think he is MIA

[curiouskarmadog]

Missing In Action

[curiouskarmadog]

You got good vibes from Dral? What exactly gave you good vibes about Dral? He posts that he targeted Fern last night (which I think is a load of crap). This is also an easy mafia lie, but you completely over look this. You also completely over look the fact that Dral did not give anyone a chance to comment before he claims that he is a Quack 6 posts later. I will again state what I did in my 152 post.

this is cummy because

“1.) voting yourself never helps the town at this point, 2.) without having any input from anyone else, Dral knows he killed Fern. 3.) think he is pulling the “poor me” card”

I also find it interesting in post 26, Dral votes for you giving the OMGUS reason (much later we find out it was because of another game)

I question him immediately 27, but you don’t seem to worry about it for your next post which is...

...Post 35, you vote me for underneath quoting…you never once question Dral’s vote on you. If someone has a vote on me and did not explain it I would demand to know a reason. Dral had his vote on you for <b>100 posts!!!</b> (he removed it in post 135) before he votes for me and you did not even bat an eye lash. Does anyone else think this is strange?!?!

(laughing)..I get it now, I am your mark, arent I? This is one big set up.

Post 16

Hi everyone, my name's Mert and I'm a Doctor. Last night my target didn't die, meaning I'm either not a Quack or my target is Mafia.

Post 96

I protected curiouskarmadog last night, for similar reasons to those given by theopor_COD for his choice - I figured the IC gang would be targets by a whole bunch of people and so my information would be almost worthless. By choosing a target randomly I figured I'd have a better chance of being the only person to target them, therefore learning more about the nature of my role than I would anyway.

You are trying to set me up, aren’t you? Your little plan didn’t work though did it? Because Indy came out and said he protected me too…Angered, you attack Indy.

You have been after me since the very beginning. Since I said I didn’t protect anyone. To me, it seems like you want to go after the easiest target (i.e. me), when lynching anybody else would provide more information to the town. I have explained several times why I didn’t protect anyone…I realize that it was an error, but I didn’t want to kill a town…

However, after rereading a bit and typing this post, I do agree with you. I think my contribution in this game is that YOU and Dral (Now Piggy) are scum. So yes, lynching me will provide some information….that I am town and you pushed that lynch.

Unvote Piggy
Vote Mert

I feel like the best lynches today are Mert or myself. I feel like we would offer the town the most information possible. Mert is right, it was awful scummy for me to not have protected last night when I thought we had 6 quacks and 3 doctors.

You screwed up Mert...you want my lynch? Push that wagon somemore, I will help you!! I know I am innocent and after the town finds that out, hopefully you and piggy are next. I still win.

OR we can lynch Mert...not only am I certian that she is scum (which I thinks fingers Piggy next), but three people say they targetted her JDodge, BM, and Jordan (thanks Theo's chart)..that is a ton of information.

Which is a better lynch? you decide.

[curiouskarmadog]

fake edit scummy=cummy

[curiouskarmadog]

stewie, I know your opinion on me, but what of Mert?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think he is town.

based on?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think he is town.

you dont see a link between Piggy and Mert?

[curiouskarmadog]

I think he is town.

based on?

From his posts, it seems to me that he's trying hard to win the game for the town. One thing that comes to mind is asking Piggy if she'd prefer lynching BM and lynching her if he came up town. Had not BM interrupted, the reaction could have been useful in finding both Piggy's and BM's alignments.

what post are you referencing here?

[curiouskarmadog]

I would like to hear form Mert. I posted my thoughts on him 7 days ago, and no response...maybe he decided to lurk unti the heat goes away, what do you think town?

[curiouskarmadog]

Mert and Piggy, I have stated numerous times why..

I do not have a third at this time.

[curiouskarmadog]

Aimee can you please

prod Mert

as it has been over 7 days since he has post...

doing a little metagaming, he is active in many other games, but I start putting on the pressure here and he stops posting...

anyone else find that interesting?

[curiouskarmadog]

also it looks like we need replacements for n9V, controlledburn, and piggy..

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, and Indy as well...

[curiouskarmadog]

I said I won't beable t opost untill today. I have work you know. I'll reread today andget a post up today or tomomrow.

And on a side note, it looks like your not fully reading the thread ckd, or you would've seen that, as your the only one bitching about it.

I have read the thread, you siad something about finding a replacement for you if needed...its needed..unless you are going to start posting

[curiouskarmadog]

Hi guys. Aimee is on holiday and may have restricted access, so I will be helping out as necessary here. I have everyone's roles.

Mert has been prodded.

we also need some replacements or more prodding!

[curiouskarmadog]

Uhh no, I said it was up to her to find a replacement if SHE thought it neccisary, which she obviosly didn't.

well apparent she is on holiday for we DO need several other replacements..

but you are back now, so no worries

[curiouskarmadog]

Hi guys. Aimee is on holiday and may have restricted access, so I will be helping out as necessary here. I have everyone's roles.

Mert has been prodded.

MOD

I think we need replacements for controlledburn and Indy..

and a prod for Piggy

if it hasnt been done already

[curiouskarmadog]

Jordan will need a prod

to I think

[curiouskarmadog]

here and waiting for the rest

[curiouskarmadog]

Here's my list of three.

curiouskarmadog: Posted alot of crap within the first few pages, the main one being he freaked out becuase people put a third vote on someone. THis isn't a nwewbie game, threevotes doesn't do shit. Also claimed to have not protected some one, which I don't buy.

Black Mage: Cannot be too certain withhis game style, and again, at the begginin, he really stood out to my as BM Scummy, not BMTown. First thing, was how he attacked someone becuase they wanted to put together a planfor the town. People blamed this onthat he's never been in a quack mafia game before, bt that doesn't mean anything. Quack Mafia or not, attacking people who sho pro-town potential is a scumtell.

theoper_COD: Threw his vote around quit abit, and was attacking players who also appeared pro-town, supposidly for a reaction.

*Note, this is onyl after reading the first 8 pages. Will try to read the rest today or tommorow.

your thoughts on Piggy and Mert?

[curiouskarmadog]

great progress! (of sorts)..

still waiting for N9V's response to my question.

Mod since we are might be starting to move again, A vote count could be in order.

[curiouskarmadog]

Here's my list of three.

curiouskarmadog: Posted alot of crap within the first few pages, the main one being he freaked out becuase people put a third vote on someone. THis isn't a nwewbie game, threevotes doesn't do shit. Also claimed to have not protected some one, which I don't buy.

also this is a ridiculous post…my “main load of crap” was “I freaked out” when Indy placed a 3rd vote on someone for no reason on the 1st page? Lets review my crap filled post where I freaked out.

Whadido... I mean

Vote: Battlemage

vote indy

for placing the 3rd vote on someone on the first page.

Yep, I really freaked out. Any reason you are trying to blow this post out of proportion?

still requesting your thoughts on these two.

[curiouskarmadog]

MOD (whichever of the three are currently watching this game)

We are in serious need of prods and/or replacements!

[curiouskarmadog]

thank god, progress.

[curiouskarmadog]

Now this replacement is scummy…

First we have…

In fact, it is advantageous for the mafia if the town continues to send in night choices, as the quacks will ceaselessly tear the town apart. Might I then suggest that we play this game as though the setup were 9 Townies 3 Mafia by having all the doctors abstain from protecting?

Then we have..

CKD was quick to target claim ‘nobody’, something I view as highly suspicious. For someone who habitually throws votes around on a whim, I doubt you would have been so cautious on N0.

which is followed by a vote on me. I already explained why I didn’t night choose, for much the same reason your previous post stated we should not night choose. Does it surprise me that you have voted for me, while my vote is on your scum buddy? No.

Looking at the most recent votecount, I see 3 votes on Mert by Indy, Hjallti, and Curiouskarmadog, one of whom I suspect to be scum. Had they all been doctors, mafia already would’ve piled on for the hammer. Of the three, I suspected curious the most.

Again, if you have read the thread, you will see that WE HAVE ONLY HAD 3 ACTIVE POSTERS!!! The Mod just started seeking 2-4 replacements…that is mostly likely the reason there has been no hammer. Another reason might be the town can not choose who is scummier you are Mert.

what happens if a quack "protects" mafia..does that mafia die? Still trying to figure this game out.

so if you "protected" someone that is mafia, they would not die, right? So how do you know you protected someone successfully? Maybe you just targeted mafia.

It seems as though at N0, you assumed quacks could NK mafia, in which case you had no reason to give a no-vote.

you are in insane..I was asking the question because I wasn’t she how the game was played..JUST LIKE you asked questions when you first got here.

I would like to hear form Mert. I posted my thoughts on him 7 days ago, and no response...maybe he decided to lurk unti the heat goes away, what do you think town?

Accuses Mert of lurking without considering inactivity, trying to use that as an excuse for others to join the BW. Asks for the town’s stance, most likely trying to gauge the likelihood of a Mert BW or rally more votes.

I did consider “inactivity”..he was posting in all of his other games except this one…if you metagamed (or even read this thread) you would know this.…that why I asked the mod to prod.

Well, for one, I didnt protect anyone last night as you well know (think that is your whole arguement as to why the town should lynch me). As I have said, I will not make that mistake twice.

So now that you KNOW your quack vote can only kill doctors but not mafia, you’re going to start using your night choices? Huh?

my god you

are

insane. I am scummy because I didnt night protect...now I am scummy because I will night protect...

if you read that whole post you would know why I am night protecting...because it helps the town decide who is scum...

I didn’t like Dral (played every scummy), I didn’t like Piggy, now this guy is here throwing around very CRAP LOGIC! He is stretching (I do not think it could be called stretching)...he is this crap case that doesnt make any since and is full of lies and leaps

That is three scummy people in a role…I didn’t think anyone could play scummier than Mert…but you took the cake.

Unvote
Vote d3sisted

[curiouskarmadog]

Pfeh, I still think there's quite a case on Indy.

what? did you just read the crap d3sisted wrote?

[curiouskarmadog]

Pfeh, I still think there's quite a case on Indy.

what? did you just read the crap d3sisted wrote?

Clearly you are not paying attention to think that my suspicion is based on that.

you are missing my point...

d3sisted didnt say anything about Indy..my point was: I can not see any town member reading the crap d3sisted posted and not finding it scummy to the nth degree. After he posted it, the only comment you made was, I still see a case for Indy..

I was asking you what about what d3sisted just posted...didnt that seem a little..er...scummy to you?

[curiouskarmadog]

My, you're quick to assumptions. The case I am presenting is that you send in no-kill because you were afraid to kill a real doc (understandable) but now that you understand the risks of actually killing a doc, you've decided to start NKing. If you were afraid to kill the real docs on the first night, you would continue to send no-kills.
.

OK scum, go back and read the thread again before you post anymore. I stated I thought there was 6 quacks and 3 docs..now I understand it was the other way around. Also if you read the thread, you would see that the majority of the town supports night protections for the Docs/Quacks. That is how you tell who is mafia or not..again, read the thread.

Again, if you have read the thread, you will see that WE HAVE ONLY HAD 3 ACTIVE POSTERS!!! The Mod just started seeking 2-4 replacements…that is mostly likely the reason there has been no hammer. Another reason might be the town can not choose who is scummier you are Mert.

Fine, I'll give you this one. I just like to post with the expectation that everyone in the thread is active, as they made that committment when signing up for a game. Then again, you're quick to call Protown on Mert, Indy, and Hjallti. How are you so sure?

read the damn thread

I have never called Indy or Hjallti protown..I have actually spent 4 pages calling Mert scum..which if you actually read the thread you would not only see that, but see that my vote was on him before I unvote and voted for you.

Yes, I understand you asked questions, that's obvious. However, my case still remains. You assumed quacks could kill mafia, thus had no reason to send a no-kill.

I didnt assume anything, that is why I asked the question. I have stated (3 times now) why I didnt night choose.

Well if you're so sure about your metagaming, why didn't you mention that fact in your post? And what does it matter to you what the town thinks, lurking is lurking.

READ THE THREAD...god I sound like a broken record...I will even help you. Post 354

Aimee can you please

prod Mert

as it has been over 7 days since he has post...

doing a little metagaming, he is active in many other games, but I start putting on the pressure here and he stops posting...

anyone else find that interesting?

Town, this guy is pushing a case against me and he is not reading the thread or simply making up facts. I am actually in shock, since I have been playing this game, I have never seen such a blatantly bad case fill with bad logic and out and out lies.

Really I think I am in shock, here.

[curiouskarmadog]

@Stewie: I told you why.

I suspect Dral may have given a false target-claim to ruin the game.

In more basic words, he was fucking around with town.

I know your hate for me stems from my predecessors, but you didn't give much reason for voting Piggy. All you said was:

Unvote Vote: Ms Piggy, looking for a quick end to the day are we? That's an awful excuse.

Which I don't believe warrants a vote on his successor. I've presented evidence to go with all my accusations, so I'd appreciate it if you can come up with your own legitimate case for why you voted me. Or, at least provide a stronger case on Piggy.

BTW, if you do some metagaming, he does that very often.

Piggy quickly voted for BM, trying to end the day. She gave no specific reason for her vote, and when asked she said that others had already said their reasons, and those were her reasons too. When asked to repeat these reasons, she did not.

Fair enough.

CKD is either acting really scum or really close-minded right now. Either way, I'm going to give him some time to cool off and reread my post before I respond.

you have got to be kidding..you are the one who needs to read the thread

[curiouskarmadog]

Your first point is a good one.

Consider CKD lurking; he was posting actively in other threads wednesday and thursday, but refused to respond in this thread.

you are ridicilous, those posts are a sentence or two..metagame if you need to...your last reply is so ridiculous that I need time (again) to comment...I just do not have that time at the moment..

[curiouskarmadog]

Again you are backtracking on your posts.

Again, if you have read the thread, you will see that WE HAVE ONLY HAD 3 ACTIVE POSTERS!!! The Mod just started seeking 2-4 replacements…that is mostly likely the reason there has been no hammer. Another reason might be the town can not choose who is scummier you are Mert.

Fine, I'll give you this one. I just like to post with the expectation that everyone in the thread is active, as they made that committment when signing up for a game. Then again, you're quick to call Protown on Mert, Indy, and Hjallti. How are you so sure?

read the damn thread

I have never called Indy or Hjallti protown..I have actually spent 4 pages calling Mert scum..which if you actually read the thread you would not only see that, but see that my vote was on him before I unvote and voted for you.

Take a moment to calm down for a second, then you’ll stop misconstruing my posts. I wasn’t referring to anything said in the thread, I was referring to what you directly responded to me with. You say there was no hammer because players (including a few of the mafia) have been inactive, hence my question: how can you be sure there aren’t already 1, 2, or 3 scums on Mert’s wagon? How can you be sure Mert himself isn’t mafia, which would attribute to the delayed hammering?

I did not misconstrue anything. You stated “Then again, you're quick to call Protown on Mert, Indy, and Hjallti. How are you so sure?” You say I insinuate somehow I think Mert is town, if you actually read this thread you would see that I think nothing of the kind. I THINK MERT IS MAFIA! This is no hammer because no one has been to –1…no one is at –1 because there is no one here to vote. I am tired fo doing all the logic work and reread for you. The votes that have been placed thus far were mainly tied between you and Mert. I think you are scum together and I think once the replacements get here and read the thread, they will think the same thing.

Reading the rest of your post…there is just nothing left to reply to..that I havent already siad many times.

I think Mert is Scum

I think you are scum.

I encourage EVERYONE to read our little exchange here before placing a vote. He has been doing nothing but making huge jumps in logic, displaying a expert handle on crap logic, or just plan lying.

The only real argument he has against me is that I did not protect Night 0 because I was afraid to kill a Doc….Which he is clearly stating he wants to do now. This is so ridiculous.

[curiouskarmadog]

Your first point is a good one.

Consider CKD lurking; he was posting actively in other threads wednesday and thursday, but refused to respond in this thread.

this is jsut another way he is stretching for anything..

I post 34 hours from this post and he is calling me a lurker in a game that people go weeks without posting...I am the most frrequent poster in this thread..

You keep filling your case with more and more crap. why is that?

[curiouskarmadog]

Curiouskarmadog lives up to his name and is indeed rather curious.

Vote: curiouskarmadog

thats it?

[curiouskarmadog]

i guess no one is actually reading this thread.

[curiouskarmadog]

i guess no one is actually reading this thread.

Well, I'm already voting for Desisted. Acording to the last vote count, you are voting for yourself, so you might want to replace your vote, rather than have the mod go back and fix it.

sent a pm to the mod

[curiouskarmadog]

I beg to differ. Voting someone because their predecessors were scummy is scummy in mine eyes. Mainly because any previous evidence effectively becomes nullified, and you can't be bothered to come up with new reasons to support your vote.

so then if I was replaced, would you still pursue the player that filled my shoes?

[curiouskarmadog]

I already told you that Indy is scum. I'm not changing anything. It seems obvious to me.

Even if he is, he can't be the only one.

this is a good point, Indy has not post in a long time and will obviously have to be replaced, why push a case against someone who currently needs to be replaced? With as many scummy people in this thread surely you can find someone else to attack whil eyou wait for Indy's replacement

[curiouskarmadog]

hey, if you feel one of us is scummy, put together a case...but making a case against someone who is not here and will be replaced is a cop out at this point...

[curiouskarmadog]

Looking at the setup, I'm pretty sure that there is some sort of breaking strategy here (ala Dethy) based on night results. As such, I'm strongly in favor of a mass target claim each day, and I consider failure to submit a doc protection in this setup a very anti-town, if not outright lynch-worthy offense.

As such,

Vote: curiouskarmadog

.

Tar I have explained why I did not protect. I am telling you I am town...if I was such a great mafia, why would I not just claim that I protected someone Day 1 like everyone else? I am a mafia's dream target Day 1...if I could go back and protect I would. I kow this all sounds wifom, but it is the truth. I did not protect for much of the same reason D3sisted is saying we should not protect Day 2..why do you think he is not scum?

at any rate....my vote is still on D3sisted and I think Mert (or whoever replaces Mert) are scum.

Also Tar, if you REALLY read D3sisted case against me..you will see that he really is lying...check his facts, please. I encourage everyone to read our interactions...

I am not sure how anyone pro-town can read Dral/Piggy/D3sisted and not see scum.

And even though your vote is on me, thanks for joining.

[curiouskarmadog]

also

MOD can you please scmp

it has been 9 days since his ONLY post in this thread....no content then lurks....

Curiouskarmadog lives up to his name and is indeed rather curious.

Vote: curiouskarmadog

[curiouskarmadog]

ok Mert is all but gone...

Mod how is the replacement search going?

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry BM, I keep mixing up your name with a name in a game I play

this was NPV's last post 19 days ago..can we have a prod?

[curiouskarmadog]

Hjallti's last post was 7 days ago....

Jordan's last post was 10 days ago...

both I think need some prods

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus, and of course Mert was 13 days ago

[curiouskarmadog]

why is that scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry for my recent inactiveness, I'm still set on the d3sisted lynch.

well thanks for at least posting...

[curiouskarmadog]

what is the point asking to be a replacement if you dont play? This is why I think mafia on a whole is fustrating...I imagine it is doubly so for a Mod..especially a mod that is replacing another Mod....

THANK YOU THESP!

[curiouskarmadog]

Hi. I have been prodded. I still lthink lynching ckd is the best idea.

That is all.

your feelings on the current high vote leader?

[curiouskarmadog]

welcome back, thanks Thesp for your help!

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote Count

d3sisted - 4 (JordanA24, Stewie, curiouskarmadog, Roach)
curiouskarmadog - 2 (scmp, Tarhalindur)
Battle Mage - 1 (~N9V~)
Tarhalindur – 1 (JDodge)

Not Voting - 2 (Mert, Hjallti, d3sisted)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

I'm talking with Thesp about prods and things. Hopefully people will respond to their prods, or I can start searching for replacements tomorrow.

any word on scmp and N9V?

[curiouskarmadog]

any word on scmp and N9V?

HonaryHitchhiker has replaced scmp. N9V has been given 48 hours to respond in thread, or he will be replaced.

sorry you did post that...with all of the new replacements..got confused.

[curiouskarmadog]

Let me do a re-read and I'll get back to everyone on thoughts.

thanks for joining.

[curiouskarmadog]

I still think that the ckd lynch is optimal.

I need to think things over and decide whether a Quack is a good or bad thing for the town.

post confuses me...what are you thinking over?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote Count

d3sisted - 5 (JordanA24, Stewie, curiouskarmadog, Roach, HonaryHitchhiker)
curiouskarmadog - 1 (Tarhalindur)
Battle Mage - 1 (~N9V~)
Tarhalindur – 1 (JDodge)

Not Voting - 2 (Mert, Hjallti, d3sisted)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Now getting a replacement for N9V.

MoD fixed your mistakes

...removed scmp's vote

[curiouskarmadog]

Hey all. Trying to catch up, but I don't know if I'll make it before the deadline tomorrow, although I'm going to try like hell.

[non game related] you go to VT?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: CKD

I've had that entire case on him, with the whole back-and-forth not long ago. Somehow I got diverted and my vote went astray, but my vote is still on him.

I don't see why you guys are trying to lynch me. As far as I'm concerned, I (or my predecessor, to be precise) was the only one with a targetclaim on Fernando. He's dead now, so until someone counter claims, I'm a quack doc. Unless your stance is to lynch all quack docs, lynching me is a

very

anti-town play.

well if you read back a page or two, you will see why you unvoted me...you will even see that you tried to "join forces" with meto go after someone else....

[curiouskarmadog]

that should be the hammer

[curiouskarmadog]

The wind and rain of the morning symbolised what the villagers knew had been a horrible night. Struggling into the Town Hall, they found the body of Vel-Rahn Koon lying motionless ahead of them. Searching his body reveals his certificate of medical practice - he was a certified doctor.

Glancing out the window, you see another body in the Public Gardens - the body of Hjallti lying next to some rather battered bigonias. On closer inspection, you find that he too was a certified doctor.

The villagers knew it would be a difficult day ahead - they wanted to get the mafia out of their town.

Vel-Rahn Koon (Doctor) - Killed Night 1
Hjallti (Doctor) - Killed Night 1

Day 2 commences. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

dammit, 2? I protected Jdodge.

[curiouskarmadog]

still waiting for the others to claim...

[curiouskarmadog]

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach
Honary Hitchhiker

still need claims for Honary Hitchhiker, Roach, and Jordana24

[curiouskarmadog]

so all that remains is roach's claim.

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24--- Vel-Rahn Koon
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach
Honary Hitchhiker----somestrangeflea
Vel-Rahn Koon --??
Hjallti ---??

[curiouskarmadog]

Once roach posts we can start to review (and more importantly) read other's reviews.

[curiouskarmadog]

Once roach posts we can start to review (and more importantly) read other's reviews.

ugh, this game and it's replacements...

MOD, is update on the prod?

[curiouskarmadog]

(bump) still waiting on Roach

[curiouskarmadog]

SSF: I was just going to say: "Hi, I'm here -- will post more once I've read the thread!"

Oddly enough...

ummm, do you know who roach protected? or if he protected?

[curiouskarmadog]

so then this is what we have...I think it might also be important to arrange these is order they claimed as well....when I get a second I will do it..(unless wants to get a jump on it)

it is probably also important to see who was on the d3sisted lynch...

so all that remains is roach's claim.

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24--- Vel-Rahn Koon
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach
Honary Hitchhiker----somestrangeflea
Vel-Rahn Koon --??
Hjallti ---??

[curiouskarmadog]

I tried taking notes while reading mneme’s posts..and what it really comes down to is anyone can be scum or a doc, not helpful really. Maybe looking at the two nights to see if anything sticks out…obviously with my non protection Night 1 and mneme’s non protection Night 2 it makes for a hard read us.

Ok here are the two nights…I guess there is a logic puzzle here somewhere. Please Please Please double check Day 1..with all of the replacements in this game it was hard to figure this out…at any rate, we need to lynch scum today, we have 3 of them running around here…what sticks out? Going to compare the two lists….hopefully someone smarter will find some pattern that might help us choose a lynch.


Hjallti (doc or quack)
Fernado (doc or quack)
Vel-koon (doc or quack)
D3sisted (Quack??..but could still be a doc)

I have bolded what we should assume is true.

Dral(d3sisted) - protected Fernando

AmeliaLi(vel-koon) - protected JDodge

Hjallti---jordan

Fernado---??

so in this bunch we have 3 liars.

curiouskarmadog - protected No One
theo(stewie) - protected Jordan
Jordan - protected Mert(ssf)
BM(mneme) - protected Mert(ssf)
JDodge - protected Mert(ssf)
Indy(Tar) - protected curiouskarmadog
Mert(SSF) - protected curiouskarmadog
ControlledBurn(honary hitchhiker)—Hjallti



We definitely have at least one quack Day 2, both Tar and Jordan say they hit hjallti and Vel-koon (respectfully). Can we assume that d3sisted is a quack? This game is stacked against the town trying to figure out this puzzle with three mafia putting in false info, not knowing how someone died (scum or quack), and no help finding out if dead doc’s are quacks or not.

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24--- Vel-Rahn Koon
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach (mneme) ---protected no one
Honary Hitchhiker----somestrangeflea
Vel-Rahn Koon --??
Hjallti ---??



Going to try to figure out this puzzle, but I think there are too many variables to come up with anything…hopefully someone else can see something.

[curiouskarmadog]

Meh, on second thoughts, a deadline wouldn't be too bad actually...

Give this game a much needed (IMO) jolt...

why dont you add the the jolt and start with a analysis of the 2 day claims?

[curiouskarmadog]

BTW, the only option for today is obvious.

Vote: No Lynch

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, PROTECT ANYONE UNLESS YOU ARE A CONFIRMED NON-QUACK

that is insane..

the only way we can kill scum is to lynch..if no one protects we give mafia another kill and we will be back in the same place..

nobody in this game is a confirmed anything.

vote jdodge

[curiouskarmadog]

Just replaced in, getting up to speed, give me chance to read the thread, etc. No idea who I'm voting for (if anyone), but

unvote

.

good luck keeping the replacements straight

[curiouskarmadog]

BTW, the only option for today is obvious.

Vote: No Lynch

DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, PROTECT ANYONE UNLESS YOU ARE A CONFIRMED NON-QUACK

that is insane..

the only way we can kill scum is to lynch..if no one protects we give mafia another kill and we will be back in the same place..

nobody in this game is a confirmed anything.

vote jdodge

Then tell me, o master of the game, why people should protect when doing so could kill enough people for us to lose?

talking about the no lynch, capt oblivious

[curiouskarmadog]

someone please explain to me how no lynching helps the town eliminate scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

still waiting for someone to answer my question of 588..

[curiouskarmadog]

still waiting for someone to answer my question of 588..

Still, the best decision here is probably to no-lynch and have no Doctors use their ability, as the extra death narrows down the possibilities (or else leads to a "and they all lived happily ever after" scenario, which I consider an acceptable outcome).

Reading is tech.

That said, I doubt that the "no-lynch is best" conclusion is still valid due to the high likelihood that you are scum and that ssf is your buddy.

your right, reading is tech, the question is not answered

someone please explain to me how no lynching helps the town eliminate scum?

no lynch helps the mafia kill town, which I only shrinks the possibilities, but it doesnt help us eliminate scum.

so answer the question, knowing that lynching is the only way the town can hit scum...how does not lynching help the town?

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree that no lynch at this stage is a horrible idea. If we do it, we have to hope that we lynch scum

3 times in a row

. I'm much happier taking the risk of lynching someone today. I don't think it's vote-worthy though, I think suggesting it was silly rather than scummy. I think CKD jumped on it rather hastily for my liking.

FOS: CKD

(rolls eyes)..He pushed for an Indy(now tar) lynch the entire day 1 without really providing a good case and stayed off the radar most of Day 1..now he is suggesting an anti-town tactic, but I am the one that gets a FoS?

I am also suspect of SSF (as I suspected, mert as well)

FoS SSF

....Mert was very adament that Dral and piggy were town, when they were acting VERY VERY SCUMMY, but never gave a reason or provided a quote why dral/piggy were so protown...then SSF comes on the scene and hammers...granted I dont think that was as scummy (for I really thought d3sisted was scum as well) but compared to Mert's play it was odd...now, SSF immeidately follows my vote (which makes me uneasy)

Unvote

,

Fos jdodge, Tar

for pushing a very anti-town idea.

[curiouskarmadog]

Anyone else disagree with the no-lynch enough to vote for me? This is important, relevant info.

please quick dodgint my question

[curiouskarmadog]

edit

dodging..


how will a no lynch help us eliminate scum?

[curiouskarmadog]

did you have a question for me?

[curiouskarmadog]

Anyone else disagree with the no-lynch enough to vote for me? This is important, relevant info.

you assume that your "no-lynch" idea was the only reason I voted for you?

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well that is true, but your question "is a no-lynch idea enough to vote for me"..it seems to suggest that if people vote for you, it is solely based on that, which is not true...

so, is "the no lynch" enough to vote for you? Of course not. Is the facts of who you claimed to protect, who protected you (and the result), and your Day 1 actions (plus the no lynch) enough to vote for you? Yes....

I would still be voting for you if SSF hadnt jumped on so quickly after my vote.

[curiouskarmadog]

I PROTECTED PEOPLE I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD READ ON BECAUSE I THOUGHT I MIGHT BE A QUACK

have a struck a nerve?

Umm, people, indicates you protected more than one...no, you protected mert/ssf which is the same player both nights...also, why do you think you might be a quack? Did something occur to make you believe so?

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I would still be voting for you if SSF hadnt jumped on so quickly after my vote.

I'd like to hear the thought process behind this...

Unless it's something along the lines of "BANDWAGON = BADBADBAD", in which case, don't bother.

I didnt like your vote..you just cast it without asking any questions..no follow up nothing...it came too quick and made me uneasy..

[curiouskarmadog]

I PROTECTED PEOPLE I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD READ ON BECAUSE I THOUGHT I MIGHT BE A QUACK

have a struck a nerve?

Umm, people, indicates you protected more than one...no, you protected mert/ssf which is the same player both nights...also, why do you think you might be a quack? Did something occur to make you believe so?

Mert was a random choice.

That was worded poorly; I meant that I was being cautious of being a quack.

you are right, Mert was a random choice...so you chose SSF, night 1 because you were sure about her alignment? What does that mean? You didnt want to kill town, if you were a quack? All day Day 1, you pushed an invisible case against Indy(tar)...why didnt your "protection" go there?

[curiouskarmadog]

so why not protect someone that you thought was the most protown?

[curiouskarmadog]

wow, so you want to go around in circles or you are backtracking..

I ask you in post 615:

so you chose SSF, night 1 because you were sure about her alignment? What does that mean? You didnt want to kill town, if you were a quack? All day Day 1, you pushed an invisible case against Indy(tar)...why didnt your "protection" go there?

I can't prove whether or not I'm a quack by protecting scum

which means you didnt target Indy(tar) because you wanted to find out if you were scum or not.

so I ask you

so why not protect someone that you thought was the most protown?

because you obviously want to know if you are scum or not (as you stated THAT was your reason you did not target Tar for protection)

but you return with more insults.

so why not protect someone that you thought was the most protown?

Because if I was a quack, I would kill them.

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK PLZ

so tell me again, why you did not target Indy(Tar)?

vote Jdodge...

for backtracking, for crap logic circles, and for pushing a no lynch today..

I also now am pretty sure that Indy/Tar is one of your scum buddies.

[curiouskarmadog]

Translation: If it's something that damns me, don't say it

"Bandwagon = bad" is crap reasoning. How can I be damned by someone else's CrapLogic?

Bandwagon = bad since we're pretty much in lylo. Think please.

BTW, the scum is CKD, Flea and Tar. CKD's comment about quickness is him covering his own ass because Flea misunderstood and tried to quicklynch. Scum is most likely to want a lynch today, since they essentially win if they get a lynch. Thus their real reason for voting me is not because they feel no-lynch is a bad idea, but that they don't want to go through another day (and thus FORCE people to lynch someone whom they have no control over the lynch of) and I am a convenient target using their craplogic.

Tar is scum for the way Indy acted.

Unvote, vote: CKD

ohhh, look, a vote AND he knows who the 3 scum are. I guess he no longer feels a no lynch is good..more backpedalling.

so the only people who do want a lynch today is scum? LOL I want to lynch scum today AND tomorrow....FOR THE FOURTH TIME, how does no lynching today help us elminate scum? It only eliminates a a townie tonight, and we will bein the exact same place tomorrow.

Oh, and again, please, what is Tar's case? How has he acted..seems he agrees with you today..

Also, anybody wonder why Tar has not questioned Jdodge's case against him once?..Also, anybody wonder why Tar thinks a no-lynch is a good idea?
these are 2 of our scum.

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IF INDY/TAR IS SCUM (HE IS), I WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED HIM, MAKING THE EXERCISE POINTLESS.

I DID NOT WANT TO KILL THE MOST PRO-TOWN PERSON IF I WAS A QUACK. DUMBASS.

You're grasping at fucking straws, and the retardedness of it is really pissing me off.

first of all, no point in name calling..seriously.

next, AGAIN explain what this meant..I asked you why you did not "protect" Tar..you stated.

I can't prove whether or not I'm a quack by protecting scum

Sounds like you want to prove if you are a quack or not. How exactly do you plan on doing it? Why protect at all? Caught you in a lie...

more insults to come?

[curiouskarmadog]

so the only people who do want a lynch today is scum? LOL I want to lynch scum today AND tomorrow....FOR THE FOURTH TIME, how does no lynching today help us elminate scum? It only eliminates a a townie tonight, and we will bein the exact same place tomorrow.

You want an easy lynch on an easy target. Big difference.

so now you are an easy target? what makes you an easy target? the fact that you tired to pushed a idea that you KNEW to be a anti-town tactic? I placed one vote on you and asked you some questions..hardly a lynch.

Oh, and again, please, what is Tar's case? How has he acted..seems he agrees with you today..

Also, anybody wonder why Tar has not questioned Jdodge's case against him once?..Also, anybody wonder why Tar thinks a no-lynch is a good idea?
these are 2 of our scum.

Yes, agreement = scumpartners, hence why I think Tar is scum.

You forgot you were pushing a Tar lynching yesterday to...you forgot you stated you didnt target Tar last night because you thought he was scum. I am asking what that case was yesterday..or have you forgotten that already too? You cant use Tar's actions today to explain your case yesterday..another lie.

first of all, no point in name calling..seriously.

next, AGAIN explain what this meant..I asked you why you did not "protect" Tar..you stated.

No point in whining..seriously.

again, you dont answer the question. How do you plan on figuring out your role? You state you did not portect Tar because you thought he was scum (still no Day 1 case)...you say you did not protect the most protwon person, because you might be a quack...

you lied when you said you did not protect Tar because you wanted to prove if you are a quack or not...then call me a "dumbass" when I asked you why you didnt target the most protwon person (because you have already stated you wanted to prove your role). lies.

you already know your alignment.

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, I didnt say that..please reread my post and quit redirecting..

and answer my questions

[curiouskarmadog]

lol, I didnt say that..please reread my post and quit redirecting..

and answer my questions

Yes, you did. You're calling me a liar because I didn't target the most pro-town person.

Stop ignoring my other posts.

Ok I am going to bold my questions so you cant keep avoiding them..many of these questions you ahve ignored or avoided 2-3 times...and they are starting to pile up..so if you can just reply to this post and answer the questions..I will even number them to make it easier for you to reply...

1.) Can you please quote where I said I wanted you to "protect" the most town player. I simply asked you why you didnt, if you want to find out if you are a quack or not.


2.) You claim that I am targeting you because you are an "easy target". Why are you an easy target? Is it because you pushed an game tactic that you know is Anti-town?

3.) When I asked why you did not "protect" Tar last night, you said you could not prove you were a quack, by targeting scum. When I asked you why you thought Tar was scum, you said because he was agreeing with you today. You avoided the question. That does not explain why you thought he was scummy yesterday or why you did not "protect" him last night. I am asking what that case was yesterday..or have you forgotten that already too? You cant use Tar's actions today to explain your case yesterday..Why did you feel that Tar was scum yesterday?

4.) You stated you wanted to prove if you are a quack or not. You claim you did not target Tar, because he was scum..and you are afraid to target the most protown (in your opinion) because you might kill them. Since proving you are a quack is so important..how do plan on doing that with your protections? Furthermore, if no one "protects" tonight, how do you plan on proving you are a quack?

5.) please explain why only scum would want a lynch today. Why wouldnt town want to lynch scum today?

6.) How does no lynching help the town eliminate scum?

7.) if you want a no lynch, why are you voting for me?

8.) you last most states, I am ignore your post, please provide me whatever you think I am ignoring of avoiding..Have you asked me a question?

8.) and finally, why do you keep avoiding my questions for the past 2 pages?

I look forward to your answers.

[curiouskarmadog]

question 8 is suppse to read

your last post states, I am ignoring your posts, please provide me whatever you think I am ignoring or avoiding (and post number)...have you asked me any questions?

[curiouskarmadog]

interesting..seems like you answer one of jdodge's questions for him..you have any other input as to jdodge?

not buying the no lynch today/no night protections tonight bit..that will only set up Day 2.5..I think I know who at least 2 of the scum are...have you not read any of Jdodge's defenses...they are full of lies, misrepresentations, crap circle logic, but mostly avoiding questions...none of this has sent off any of your alarms?

[curiouskarmadog]

hey jdodge, this is going away, I see you posting everywhere else...

[curiouskarmadog]

1.) Can you please quote where I said I wanted you to "protect" the most town player. I simply asked you why you didnt, if you want to find out if you are a quack or not.

so why not protect someone that you thought was the most protown?

The main point with that is that I was trying to see whether or not I am a quack, and if I were a quack I would likely kill said person.

So why did you say that I said I wanted you to target the most protown reason when it wasn’t true? And again, if you truly wanted to see if you were a quack, why did you not choose someone who you thought was the most pro town?

2.) You claim that I am targeting you because you are an "easy target". Why are you an easy target? Is it because you pushed an game tactic that you know is Anti-town?

You assume that I actually thought a no-lynch was our best choice. I didn't. I wanted reactions.[/quote]

(LOL) Nice back tracking..

3.) When I asked why you did not "protect" Tar last night, you said you could not prove you were a quack, by targeting scum. When I asked you why you thought Tar was scum, you said because he was agreeing with you today. You avoided the question. That does not explain why you thought he was scummy yesterday or why you did not "protect" him last night. I am asking what that case was yesterday..or have you forgotten that already too? You cant use Tar's actions today to explain your case yesterday..Why did you feel that Tar was scum yesterday?

For reactions obvobv. New game theory I'm developing.

OMFG, please tell me someone else is reading this.

You ignore my posts, not my questions.

Which posts?

I don't like playing 20 questions.

You are ridiculous jdodge..granted I have not been on this site more than 4 months, but this is the most backtracking I have ever seen…

confirm my vote on Jdodge

[curiouskarmadog]

well I think it is obvious who needs to go today...

[curiouskarmadog]

that should be the hammer

[curiouskarmadog]

just as well, I knew I would be lynched today after Jdodge and d3sisted. They both played poorly, but I lead the lynch on them both days...I figured Tar was scum and had a feeling SSF/mert (but he was town)...ugh I didnt have a clue this game....

I protected stewie last night (see no clue)

this set up was really stacked against the town...I think it might have helped if we at least knew if the dead were quacks or not.

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also Aimee can you post what the roles were, I am still not sure.

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so question, does providing who we "protected" help or hurt us? So knowing at death if someone was a quack or not would make the game unbalanced?