Open 28 - Quack Mafia. OVER! But who won? before 466

[Honary Hitchhiker]

I protected SSF

[Tarhalindur]

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach
Honary Hitchhiker

still need claims for Honary Hitchhiker, Roach, and Jordana24

Jordan claimed to protect Vel-Rahn Koon.

HH just claimed a ssf protect.

[curiouskarmadog]

so all that remains is roach's claim.

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24--- Vel-Rahn Koon
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach
Honary Hitchhiker----somestrangeflea
Vel-Rahn Koon --??
Hjallti ---??

[Aimee]

Pick up the activity unless you want a deadline, folks.

Roach has been prodded.

[Stewie]

so all that remains is roach's claim.

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24--- Vel-Rahn Koon
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach
Honary Hitchhiker----somestrangeflea
Vel-Rahn Koon --??
Hjallti ---??

Yes, it is important to realize that VRK and Hjallti did make choices, we just don't know what they were.

I guess that now we are waiting on roach.

[curiouskarmadog]

Once roach posts we can start to review (and more importantly) read other's reviews.

[curiouskarmadog]

Once roach posts we can start to review (and more importantly) read other's reviews.

ugh, this game and it's replacements...

MOD, is update on the prod?

[Honary Hitchhiker]

Still here just waiting for all the claims to come in.

[Aimee]

Once roach posts we can start to review (and more importantly) read other's reviews.

ugh, this game and it's replacements...

MOD, is update on the prod?

He has 36 hours to post in thread otherwise he will be replaced.

[curiouskarmadog]

(bump) still waiting on Roach

[Aimee]

Sigh.

He hasn't picked up his PM. Now searching for a replacement for Roach.

[Aimee]

mneme replaces Roach. Yay!

[somestrangeflea]

Greetings...

What are your thoughts?

Also, I will flip out if you suggest any form of result claiming, or lack thereof, before reading the thread. There have been too many replacements who have foolishly tried to jump straight in, and I'm quite sick of it.

[mneme]

SSF: I was just going to say: "Hi, I'm here -- will post more once I've read the thread!"

Oddly enough...

[curiouskarmadog]

SSF: I was just going to say: "Hi, I'm here -- will post more once I've read the thread!"

Oddly enough...

ummm, do you know who roach protected? or if he protected?

[mneme]

Alas -- Roach missed his choice. The perils of replacing.

[curiouskarmadog]

so then this is what we have...I think it might also be important to arrange these is order they claimed as well....when I get a second I will do it..(unless wants to get a jump on it)

it is probably also important to see who was on the d3sisted lynch...

so all that remains is roach's claim.

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24--- Vel-Rahn Koon
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach
Honary Hitchhiker----somestrangeflea
Vel-Rahn Koon --??
Hjallti ---??

[mneme]

Ok, I've read through. People on the d3isted lynch (not sure how much this matters):

JordanA24, Stewie, curiouskarmadog, mneme, HonaryHitchhiker, somestrangeflea

The d3isted lynch is interesting for a number of reasons.

First, it's pretty obvious (clearly, my predecessors didn't hink this way) that d3isted shouldn't have been lynched on most grounds. His initial claim of "I know I'm a Quack" was valid and one of the best claims we had out there. Moreover, despite being dismissed by all and sundry, his claim that the strongest strategy was for all Doctors to chose "no target" (thus reducing the game to a roles-revealed-on-death Vanilla game with any given townie having a 1/2 townkill/save ability for the endgame)) was sound, and was never really discussed in the depth it deserved --it is, however, too late for such radical theories to prevail, since we've reached endgameland (unless we want to no-lynch today, no-target tonight, and hope to lynch 3 scum in a row). It's possible that it was also suboptimal (I certainly haven't done the math on the current game -- but I'll note that with a very low number of samples to perform calculus on before reaching endgame, and few unknowns filled in on death, there are fewer positives to "chose every night" than it seems at first, and the negatives are obvious).

That said, I think he was lynched more because of craplogic (the garbage about wiping the slate clean between replacements, frex), even if that did obscure some good points.

That said...looking at the results from last night, I see (not sure there's a lot here, but might as well express sylogisms anyway):

Hjallti died (and was Town), and was targetted by only Tarhalindur. Possiblities: Tar is scum. Tar is a quack. Tar is a doc and Vel-Rahn Koon (as quack) and the scum also targetted Hjalti (too low to count).

Jdodge lived and was targetted by curiouskarmadog and somestrangeflea. Possiblities: Jdodge is scum. At least one of ckd and ssf are docs. ckd and ssf are both scum.

Jordan lived and was targetted by Stewie. Possibliiteis; Stewie is a doc. Jordan is scum. Stewie is scum. Both are scum.

Vel-Rahn Koon died and was targetted only by Jordan. Possiblities; Jordin is scum. Jordin is a quack.

ssf lived and was targetted by Jdodge and HH. Possiblities: see Jdodge.

[Aimee]

Hey guys. I'm going to away setting up at college for the next few days, so I'm leaving you in the capable hands of Shanba! Make sure the activity gets better, otherwise you'll be getting a deadline on my return.

[curiouskarmadog]

I tried taking notes while reading mneme’s posts..and what it really comes down to is anyone can be scum or a doc, not helpful really. Maybe looking at the two nights to see if anything sticks out…obviously with my non protection Night 1 and mneme’s non protection Night 2 it makes for a hard read us.

Ok here are the two nights…I guess there is a logic puzzle here somewhere. Please Please Please double check Day 1..with all of the replacements in this game it was hard to figure this out…at any rate, we need to lynch scum today, we have 3 of them running around here…what sticks out? Going to compare the two lists….hopefully someone smarter will find some pattern that might help us choose a lynch.


Hjallti (doc or quack)
Fernado (doc or quack)
Vel-koon (doc or quack)
D3sisted (Quack??..but could still be a doc)

I have bolded what we should assume is true.

Dral(d3sisted) - protected Fernando

AmeliaLi(vel-koon) - protected JDodge

Hjallti---jordan

Fernado---??

so in this bunch we have 3 liars.

curiouskarmadog - protected No One
theo(stewie) - protected Jordan
Jordan - protected Mert(ssf)
BM(mneme) - protected Mert(ssf)
JDodge - protected Mert(ssf)
Indy(Tar) - protected curiouskarmadog
Mert(SSF) - protected curiouskarmadog
ControlledBurn(honary hitchhiker)—Hjallti



We definitely have at least one quack Day 2, both Tar and Jordan say they hit hjallti and Vel-koon (respectfully). Can we assume that d3sisted is a quack? This game is stacked against the town trying to figure out this puzzle with three mafia putting in false info, not knowing how someone died (scum or quack), and no help finding out if dead doc’s are quacks or not.

curiouskarmadog---Jdodge
Stewie---Jordan
JordanA24--- Vel-Rahn Koon
Tarhalindur---Hjallti
somestrangeflea---Jdodge
JDodge---somestrangeflea
Roach (mneme) ---protected no one
Honary Hitchhiker----somestrangeflea
Vel-Rahn Koon --??
Hjallti ---??



Going to try to figure out this puzzle, but I think there are too many variables to come up with anything…hopefully someone else can see something.

[Aimee]

Honary Hitchhiker has requested replacement. Now searching.

[Aimee]

Everyone except curiouskarmadog and mneme are being prodded.

Pick up the activity folks, or a deadline approaches.

[somestrangeflea]

Not a deadline!
='(

[somestrangeflea]

Meh, on second thoughts, a deadline wouldn't be too bad actually...

Give this game a much needed (IMO) jolt...

[curiouskarmadog]

Meh, on second thoughts, a deadline wouldn't be too bad actually...

Give this game a much needed (IMO) jolt...

why dont you add the the jolt and start with a analysis of the 2 day claims?